Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on Obama

One of the reasons complaints about blogger ethics are so stupid is that reporters and campaigns regularly speak in code that voters are not supposed to understand.  It's like there are two languages in politics, one for the regular voter, and one for the elites.  Chris Lehane's career is a perfect example.  Now, we've criticized Carville for going on CNN and giving out pro-Clinton talking points as a generic Democratic analyst, and he hasn't really stopped.  His excuse is that he's not being officially paid by the campaign, as if he wouldn't make millions and garner immense influence with another Clinton in the White House.  Reporters 'get' that Carville isn't a generic analyst and see him through that lens, but viewers just see a trusted figure on CNN, and so they take away a different sense of the information they receive.  Two different contexts, two different languages.

James Carville is the most high profile of these double-agents, but there are others.  One very prominent Clinton surrogate is Chris Lehane, who ran negative campaigns for Gore in 2000 and ran the Clark campaign into the ground in 2004 (after resigning from the Kerry campaign), along with his partner Mark Fabiani.  Lehane, though he doesn't officially work for Clinton, has a long relationship with the Clinton and their machine entourage, even garnering PR business with current Clinton communications director and former Glover Park Partner Howard Wolfsen on Michael Moore's films, which are produced by Clinton ally and supporter Harvey Weinstein (see this clip, where both Weinstein and Moore laud Clinton and discuss Weinstein's relationship with her). Lehane is regularly used by reporters as a quote machine, speaking unofficially for the campaigns in a 'hands-off' manner so Clinton spokespeople don't have to say it.  When Lehane says something, you can pretty much be assured that it's coming from the Clinton campaign.

So you won't be surprised to see this underhanded attack coming from Lehane's mouth on Obama's situation with Tony Rezko, an Obama donor who has just been indicted.  This story is being floated again, probably with the intent of killing Obama's sheen now that he appears to have underperformed a bit in the debates versus Clinton (that's the narrative, whether it's true or not, and frankly, it was all so boring I couldn't pay attention).

First, here's what a normal Democratic strategist says who isn't trying to hurt a candidate and Rezko and Obama.

Democratic strategist Stephanie Cutter, who is not affiliated with any presidential candidate, said the situation "may leave voters with the impression Senator Barack Obama is and was indeed a politician, but I'm not sure that's earth-shattering."

And here's what a Clinton surrogate says.

Campaign consultant Chris Lehane, who worked in the Clinton White House and for Al Gore in 2000, said it shows voters that Obama "puts his pants on the same way as any other politician" -- something that "undermines the core Obama brand, that he is a different kind of leader."

Note how the reporter, Mike Robinson of the AP, qualified Cutter as 'unaffiliated' while saying that Lehane had worked in the Clinton White House and for Al Gore.  They both read like they are just commenting, but to insiders, it's well-understood to mean that Lehane speaking for Clinton and Cutter is unaffiliated.  Two languages, two contexts.  Very annoying.

Want more proof Lehane is speaking unofficially for Clinton?  Let's look at the spin coming from Lehane, which is almost always pro-Clinton and on-message.  Here's Lehane on Clinton's electability 'problem', before she decided to run.

"Hillary Clinton has a good sense of self," said Chris Lehane, a longtime Democratic strategist who worked in the White House for President Clinton. "I don't think she makes this race unless she thinks she has a pretty good chance of winning the whole thing."

And more?  Here's Lehane spinning on Obama's $25M quarter, a clear victory for Obama.

"Anyone who can put together $25 million in a quarter comes off as a very serious and credible candidate," said Chris Lehane, who was the spokesman for Vice President Al Gore's presidential campaign in 2000. "Enough people have been around the block in the Clinton world that they understand this is a marathon, not a sprint."

That's the Clinton line, straight up, and it's laughable to think that a neutral observer would say this.  And that's the point, the reporter quoted Lehane to get an unofficial Clinton perspective, because the Clinton campaign isn't going to say what Lehane said officially, even though they want this out there.  It's like the Rezko rumor, which the Clinton people want out there, but without their fingerprints. To make this point even more firmly, see what Lehane said only months earlier.

In March, Democratic operative Chris Lehane, who has been a staffer on multiple presidential campaigns, likened this exclusionist fund-raising strategy to that undertaken by George W. Bush during the presidential campaign of 2000.

"He put together a financial infrastructure that laid the foundation for a presidential run and locked down the Who's Who of the Republican fund-raising community," Lehane said. "Hillary Clinton's ability to lock up fund-raisers is not only a positive for her, but also takes away those potential assets for others."

So now the Clinton campaign understands this is a marathon, not a sprint?  The pro-Clinton spin is so thick that Lehane can't resist even when it's about fashion.

For Mr. Obama and other candidates like John Edwards who have gone tieless in public appearances, the look could help convey youthfulness and openness to change, says political consultant Chris Lehane, who advised Bill Clinton. But "the downside is, does it reinforce any issues regarding whether he has enough experience or gravitas to be president?" he adds.

Journalists regularly quote Lehane to speak unofficially for the campaign.  Lehane was even rumored to be working on a California 527 seeking to move up the primary date to benefit Clinton (note that I can only find this sourced on one blog, though Lehane does speak positively of the 527 here in SF Gate). The effort is over, since California moved up its primary.

Lehane knows he'll get paid back by Clinton.

[Lehane] said remembering who your true-blue friends are is a must for a political winner.

"I think history is pretty clear that those folks who are loyal to the Clintons find the loyalty is really reciprocated -- and that is one of the reasons why so many people have stuck with them for so long,'' he said. "They really do respect and appreciate it when someone is loyal, and that manifests itself in many ways ... that is what good politicians do.''

I wonder why he's been saying things like this since 2005?

Three years ahead of the election she dominates the field and "is in the strongest position any non-incumbent presidential candidate has ever been in the modern history of the Democratic party" according to party strategist Chris Lehane.

Now let me note that this is not a knock against Lehane.  I have two basic points here.  One is that I'm really getting tired of political journalists speaking in code to voters such that you have to decipher what they are really trying to say to the people that matter.  Political journalism should not exist in the realm of seventh grade girls who pass secret mean notes to each other in class about the other kids.  And two is that I am really tired of campaigns who engage in this kind of nonsense.  If Clinton wants to draw attention to Tony Rezko's history with Obama, if she and Mark Penn really want to open up that can of worms, they should have enough principles to come out and say it in the open.  It's possibly a legitimate question, frankly.  I'd like to know more about Rezko and the Chicago machine.  But I don't think it's fair to spread rumors like this in print using surrogates who are clearly on your time under the guise that they are unofficial and neutral observers when they are obviously such pushers of pro-Clinton spin.  



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Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (3.00 / 2)

But isn't Chris Lehane a netroots consultant?

This time, Moore is counting on the blogosphere to help promote his film and its "call to action" against the health care industry. Which might explain why when the movie opens in the United States over the July 4th weekend, Moore and his PR team are planning a premiere fundraiser in San Francisco benefiting -- what else -- the blogging community.

Oddly enough, the event is Wednesday and Lehane hasn't told any blogger I know what the "fundraiser" will go towards. Mayor Newsom's staff was shocked and they seemed to have no clue. What a joke.

Great idea, shitty consultant.


by Bob Brigham on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:32:12 AM EST

Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (none / 0)

Heh.  Funny how I have never heard about this nor anyone else I know.  The Sacto premiere is tomorrow and as blogswarm notes the SF is the day after.  That is obviously not the July 4th weekend.  Bloggers are attending the Sacto event as the guest of Speaker Nunez, but that has nothing to do with Lehane.  And no, we aren't getting any money, though that would have been nice.


by juls on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:43:03 AM EST
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Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (none / 0)

You are my favorite antagonist.


by Bob Brigham on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:05:43 AM EST
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Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (2.25 / 4)

Yes, let's open up all the can of worms.  Let's talk about Renzo, yes, I am from Chicago and this story is a DEAD STORY.  In Chi, unless the 5-oh, or more glamourously the Po-Po's are knocking down the door looking for you, then it is nothing.  And while we are at it, if you want to spin the non-story of Renzo, again, it would BE a story if Obama was indicted along with him.  But, oh, well anything to spin.  Now, if we want all the worms out of the can, let's talk about Mark Penn.  The famed Clintonian who flip-flops about what his "actual" duty is for Clinton than Mitt Romney.  Want to crawl into his can, I can smell the stench from here.  So, if Clinton is so inevitable, why all the nastiness?  If she got this in the bag, why the worry?  Finally, Carvelle is a nobody, who happens to be a mouthpiece at CNN.  And he does talk in code, as most of these damn people on the TV.  Lastly, Clinton better watch how things are done with Obama.  If she unwarrantly discredits him for nothing, she will have the AA community to talk to about that.  And she is going NOWHERE without the African American vote, and that is a fact.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:43:03 AM EST

Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (1.00 / 1)

The story may be nothing in Chicago (as Rezko is more tied to your Guv than Obama) but the rest of the nation sees Obama as sqeaky clean.  They haven't heard the story.  They don't know the details.  And baby, the devil is in the details.

It paints a picture of an Obama circa 1996 who was challenging his opponents of the ballot at the same time as stuffing his pockets full of Rezko money.  Obama is not clean.  The truth will emerge.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:48:52 AM EST
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Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (3.00 / 3)

Please don't do this flame war.  Stop now.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:50:24 AM EST
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Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (none / 0)

Matt, I'll stop at your request.  But I think it's important that people are able to explore the Rezko issue.  I think you were in Hawaii when we had the discussion about Obama having an uncontested first election as a result of him challenging his opponent's ballot signatures.  I just don't trust him, and I think the Clinton people are doing a great job.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:00:08 AM EST
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Why don't you write your own diary of how (3.00 / 3)

you do not care for Senator Obama's positions.  And yes, that 10-12 year old piece of the voter fraud was brought up, only to see that Obama was right when the person ADMITTED he wrote in fake names.  But again, please write your own diary.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:07:23 AM EST
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Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (none / 0)

Thanks


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:15:55 AM EST
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This is ridiculous and laughable... (3.00 / 2)

there is nothing to this story.  This story has been floating around for months.  If the MSM thought important enough, it would be on every political pundit's show, but it is not.  That is the point.  Obama was not with Renzo when he was stealing that money, and that is what he was doing.  And if he was, he would have an attorney by now and in front of a microphone stating "not guilty".  The problem is people are looking, Clinton's people, for anything to spin on the negative about Obama and Edwards.  Can't she win an election on her own?  Is she that paranoid?  Are her internal polling numbers and those negatives plastered on TV, thanks to Chris Matthews', too much?  Obviously, so.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:53:22 AM EST
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Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (none / 0)

This coming from a Clintonistas is laughable.  People in glass houses, etc.. etc...


by Lorraine on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:57:11 AM EST
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Re: Dirty Pool from Clinton Against Obama? (none / 0)

I agree that the Rezko is  a non-starter.

CLinton is so NOT inevitable, and without that, she has little else. She certainly doesn't have electability.


by rikyrah on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 07:50:47 PM EST
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Not so sinister (none / 0)

I'm an Edwards supporter, so naturally when the issue comes up I'm going to highlight things I think help Edwards, as well as things that I think hurt Hillary.

But people are talking like gore might get back into the race now, and that would be sweet.


by delmoi on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:56:49 AM EST

Re: Not so sinister (none / 0)

Gore entering the race because of this? Was there a point where people stopped talking about Gore entering the race? If there was, I clearly missed it.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:08:57 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (none / 0)

I don't recall the details of Whitewater, but I do believe that Hillary had to testify in front of a Grand Jury. Isn't she risking the reemergence of that story by targeting this Rezko affair?


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:07:12 AM EST

Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (none / 0)

This was brought up today in the paraphrase of all that Clinton stuff on Harball.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:08:17 AM EST
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I don't recall the details of Whitewater

Watch this. It's an interview by Robert Scheer of Susan McDougal who went to jail over the whole thing because she refused to lie and make a deal with Ken Starr to implicate the Clintons in any way of wrongdoing.

Isn't she risking the reemergence of that story...

Uhh Jeff Gerth just published a biography about Clinton. He was the one that broke the stories in the NY Times, all of which ended up being wrong. I think it would have come up anyway. It's the only thing republicans can even try to smear her with and of course we all know now after millions of tax dollars wasted that there was no wrongdoing whatsoever by either of them. It won't work.

by targeting this Rezko affair?

How can you in any way conclude that she has anything to do with his comments?


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:55:52 AM EST
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I'll say it (none / 0)

Chris Lehane is a fucking piece of dirt. His entire purpose in life is to stir up a cloud of shit to either A) get shit on somebody else's candidate or B) obscure the pile of shit his own candidate is standing in. If you want to hire a asshole then hire Chris Lehane.

This piece reminded me of why I have doubts about Hillary Clinton and the Clintons in general. They could give a damn about open government and sunshine.  When Hillary Clinton yelled at Sen. Feingold to 'Russ, live in the real world! when talking about campaign finance reform I look at the 18% of the people who think the country is on the right track and the Iraq War which Feingold opposed in the real world and I remember why I had all the doubts in the first place.


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:32:32 AM EST

Re: I'll say it (3.00 / 1)

That's rich.  HRC saying that to Feingold.  We know who would make the better president out of those two, and it ain't HRC.


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:40:58 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (none / 0)

Thank you for that insightful analysis of what a person who has a favorable view of the Clintons said about Barack Obama being a politician who, like everyone else, is susceptible to a non-scandal. If you have proof of his being bankrolled or in any way employed by Hillary Clinton then the title of your piece "Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on Obama" would hold water. For god's sake, it's not even an attack. Oh goodness, Obama is a politician like everyone else! The shame!

This is the sloppiest piece of writing I've ever seen you do. The following half of a sentence invalidates the rest of your article:

Lehane, though he doesn't officially work for Clinton, has a long relationship with the Clinton [sic] and their machine entourage

There you go. He was a spokesperson in the Clinton administration (according to the article on Yahoo) and he has been a friend thereafter. Here's what you wrote not four months ago about the Geffen-Clinton-Obama conflict:

This is pathetic.  Obama supporter David Geffen launches a bevy of insults at Hillary Clinton on Maureen Dowd's column.  Some of them are reasonable, some of them are not. [...] Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton puts out a formal statement from her campaign. [...] Waaaaahhh.

So who's the crybaby now? If Obama is not responsible for the comments of David Geffen, why is Hillary Clinton responsible for the comments of Chris Lehane? This whole post is hypocritcal garbage.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:35:02 AM EST

Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (1.66 / 3)

Can't handle it when people critique HRC, can you?  It's not sloppy at all.  HRC is choosing to surround herself with people of questionable character.  If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:43:14 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (none / 0)

Actually I can handle the attacks. That's why I commented. Thanks for your concern. Thank you also for the smug, denigrating tone. I'll be sure to return you the consideration you deserve in the future: none.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:27:24 AM EST
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Smug tone?  You are one to talk.


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:35:15 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (none / 0)

Anybody who post of mydd can handle critique HRC. She the most critiqued politician here. But seeing your reaction the question should be, can you handle it when somebody posts a defense of her?

He actually makes a point. This stoller piece annoyed me for the very same reason. If you can't be bother to engage on merits instead of trying to ridule another commentator. You were just trolling.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:27:17 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (3.00 / 2)

If Obama is not responsible for the comments of David Geffen, why is Hillary Clinton responsible for the comments of Chris Lehane?

This is actually a good question.  David Geffen is a billionaire supporter of Obama who formerly allied himself with Clinton.  His words are his own, and he was not putting out message for Obama to coordinate a messaging operation.

Lehane is an unofficial surrogate of the Clinton campaign, a professional campaign operative who will benefit financially and politically via a Clinton victory.  He is pretending to be a neutral observer of politics, and reporters are using him to give a Pravda-esque doublespeak to both readers and insiders.

This is a problem with honesty in political dialogue, a way the voters are deceived through cozy insider relationships with reporters.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:53:15 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (none / 0)

David Geffen is a billionaire supporter of Obama who formerly allied himself with Clinton.  His words are his own

I love how easily you can mention a trivial difference between one supporter of one campaign and another supporter of another campaign as a reason for the double standard. Are you implying that in order for David Geffen's pro-Obama, anti-Hillary comments to be not an Obama sponsored attack he has to have supported Clinton in the past?

Lehane is an unofficial surrogate of the Clinton campaign

I'm sorry but unofficial surrogate to me is code for "I think this person is working for so-and-so but I no have proof whatsoever to back it up." A campaign surrogate would have to be some kind of back-up or stand in employee for the campaign: that means someone officially involved somehow in the campaign. Find some involvement in her campaign before you make the charge. Asking for objectivity may be too much but truth is always laudable.

a professional campaign operative...

Sure, but for whom? Any reason other than your unsubstantiated view?

...who will benefit financially

And Geffen won't?

and politically...

Now that's possible. But only because he was in the past Clinton Administration. I'm sure Madeline Albright would also benefit politically via a Clinton victory.

He is pretending to be a neutral observer of politics, and reporters are using him to give a Pravda-esque doublespeak to both readers and insiders.

And I'm sorry, you are pretending to know otherwise. If you don't trust him, fine. But don't go around accusing people of things you can't prove.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:18:53 AM EST
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bowiegeek (none / 0)

I was about to post a similar commentary to Matt Stoller.

Fucking Geffen did his best to damage Hillary and he was very much in collaboration with Gibbs (Obama's guy), Huffington and Dowd.  And the fucking netroots cheered.

Matt Stoller ... you have no credibility on this diary.  Zero.

And the truth of the matter is ... Obama IS just another politician.  He isn't above the fray.  He doesn't walk on water.  And he's made some bad judgements, including the affiliation with Rezko.

This diary makes we want to say GO LEHANE!


by samueldem on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:58:27 AM EST
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Re: bowiegeek (none / 0)

Fucking Geffen did his best to damage Hillary and he was very much in collaboration with Gibbs (Obama's guy), Huffington and Dowd.  And the fucking netroots cheered.

Proof?


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:16:50 AM EST
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Re: bowiegeek (none / 0)

That's a little extreme. I'm annoyed at Matt but he has a job to do: stir up bullshit but still try to seem objective. That means equal opportunity bullshit. Some of it's good. Not this piece though. You could say I'm biased.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:22:35 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack (3.00 / 3)

Note that Obama's task in the Senate his first year was to produce new ethics legislation.  The bill he wrote was too good and the leadership sent it back to him redo - Hillary advocated this lessoning or regulation.  I really doubt Obama has ethical flaws.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:45:57 AM EST

Matt Stoller wrote: (none / 0)

"This is actually a good question.  David Geffen is a billionaire supporter of Obama who formerly allied himself with Clinton.  His words are his own, and he was not putting out message for Obama to coordinate a messaging operation."

Bullshit.  This is utter bullshit.  Robert Gibbs USES Geffen's house.  Arianna lunches with Geffen.  That was an early ploy to hurt Hillary and it was performed in a way that Obama's fingerprints didn't show up on it.  Obama is no saint.  He plays just as dirty as anyone without leaving fingerprints and he brought one evil bastard onto his team, in the name of Robert Gibbs for a reason.  And right now Obama is kissing serious Republican ass by meeting one-on-one with Colin Powell.  Ya, we're watching that one verrrry closely Matt.  

Compare ANYONE on Hillary's team, official or unofficial to Robert Gibbs.

There's a diary Matt.


by samueldem on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:10:13 AM EST

Re: Matt Stoller wrote: (none / 0)

Oh, I agree that Obama is just a politician, and believe me, I noticed that Colin Powell meeting.  

In this case, though, Lehane's unofficial role with the Clinton campaign and official neutral spokesperson role is unethical and confusing.  This type of stuff from reporters needs to stop.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:15:10 AM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller wrote: (none / 0)

n this case, though, Lehane's unofficial role with the Clinton campaign and official neutral spokesperson role is unethical and confusing.  This type of stuff from reporters needs to stop.

Maybe you should clarify that in your article. It is titled Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog... If that's what you meant, then that's different from what you insinuated.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:25:30 AM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller wrote: (none / 0)

Well I have two themes, and one them is about the Clinton campaign spreading rumors like this.  I want all campaigns to know that we notice and they will be held accountable.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 03:05:01 AM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller wrote: (none / 0)

It's unfortunate that you would hold her accountable for what someone else says.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 03:13:08 AM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller wrote: (none / 0)

I think that's his point - that he's saying what she wants him to say, and the language of the article doesn't make that clear.


by Conquest on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 07:33:02 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller wrote: (none / 0)

and one them is about the Clinton campaign spreading rumors like this

And who says that it is? you, any proof? none

You spout out an attack piece based on nothing but your own gut feeling that it is so. And when something exactly the same happens but it's somebody who favors Obama? then you think it's completely different.

If you want all campaign to notice, do it to all campaigns.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:37:00 PM EST
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Clinton and Obama (none / 0)

It isn't going to stop Matt.  Hillary and Obama are THE two heavyweights and both are fighting very hard to win.  And both of them have wonderful people who support them and both have, what are sometimes perceived as, "shady" people who support them, speak for them and sometimes work for them.  I have a real problem with Gibbs and that horrific, demeaning ad he sponsored against Dean.  If Gibbs were on Hillary's team, I can imagine it would be fodder for some heated diaries here.


by samueldem on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:33:38 AM EST

Ya' Gotta Laugh (none / 0)

Gee, Matt, you must be impartial, you have Obama and Hillary supporters climbing all over you all in the one day.  Tomorrow it will be the Edwards' bunch, no doubt.

Whatever you are doing it certainly is working.  Thanks for the entertaining diaries.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:36:31 AM EST

Re: Ya' Gotta Laugh (none / 0)

I'm into progressive ideas.  None of them are representing those ideas effectively, so I'm not going to get behind any of them.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 09:22:30 AM EST
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Re: Ya' Gotta Laugh (none / 0)

Matt Stoller wrote: "I'm into progressive ideas.  None of them are representing those ideas effectively, so I'm not going to get behind any of them."

Would you care to expand upon your idea of "progressive" ideas Matt? I'm sure many would like to understand your point of view.


by DoIT on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:07:41 PM EST
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great post :) (none / 0)


by jforshaw on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 06:51:19 AM EST

So How Should Reporters Describe Lehane? (3.00 / 1)

Here are some nominations:

1. "Chris Lehane, a Democratic political operative with at least informal ties to the Clinton campaign, said...."

2. "Chris Lehane, a Clinton loyalist and Democratic political consultant, remarked...."

3. "Lehane, an unpaid Clinton campaign advisor, defended...."

4. "Chris Lehane, a longtime Democratic political operative who favors Clinton in the primary campaign, criticized...."

I think Matt has a point that reporters need to kick it up a notch and tell readers more directly about the biases people quoted in their articles have. "Democratic Political Consultant" isn't enough to describe James Carville. Is it so hard to say "Democratic Political Consultant and Clinton Supporter"? For that matter, would it be so hard to find and quote other voices, such as true unaffiliated academics, local civic leaders, activists, and other Rolodex-expanding individuals? I'm tired of hearing the same political consultants' tired opinions anyway.


by BBCWatcher on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 10:07:52 AM EST

Re: So How Should Reporters Describe Lehane? (none / 0)

I dunno, saying the guy worked in the Clinton White House seems enough to me.  I think it's more blatant when they mention someone a political outsider might not know (like Lehane) and not mention he worked for Clinton - most people are aware of Carville's attachment to Clinton at this point, I think.


by Conquest on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 05:34:10 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Unleashes Attack Dog Chris Lehane on O (none / 0)

You don't think it is fair???? wtf?

If she wins, these are people who will be running the government.  


by aiko on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 11:14:36 AM EST

Misleading Diary Title (3.00 / 1)

The problem for me is that the title of the diary suggests that Clinton herself did this. That's not what the diary says. Worse yet, it's only because Matt wants us to believe he knows something we don't about Lehane's relationship that he even has a gripe. And one more thing, read the two quotes from Lehane and Cutter from the article he quotes; they are essentially the same and certainly not "underhanded" on Lehane's part, even if he were a paid spokesman for Clinton.

Go ahead and stir the pot all you want, but use facts along the way.


by SF Bay on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:13:26 PM EST


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