On Being "Fair" To Democratic 2008 Candidates In the Blogosphere

Two months ago, in a post comparing blogosphere standards to journalistic standards, I wrote the following:
In fact, overall, the only points where we are in disagreement on all of these principles that is not directly connected to our lack of pretense toward "objectivity," is whether or not we should ask subjects of our posts for comments and responses before making a given post. And, in the end, I think that means that the only places where friction actually occurs is when people fail to appreciate the interactivity of the blogosphere, and consider blog posts to be the equivalent of articles published in newspapers or magazines. The notion that it is somehow a violation of trust and responsibility to not have all of one's facts sorted out, and all comments from all sources already prepared before the initial publication of a blog post fails to appreciate that a blog post is an ongoing process. Comments are added at the end of blog posts. Posts themselves are frequently edited and updates. Often, blog posts are made in response to other posts, and a discussion ensues. Unlike articles in other mediums, which are fixed to a far greater extent, a blog post is a living, evolving, entity. If all comments, edits, responses and updates to a blog post where published simultaneously with the original post, the blogosphere would be a profoundly static and lifeless place.

Blog posts are alive in ways that posts in other mediums simply are not, and that should be taken into account when in an discussion of blogger ethics, responsibility, or accountability. The only reason you should be mad at a blogger for posting inaccurate information is if that person refuses to correct him or herself once evidence demonstrates s/he is wrong, or if that person did not even try to figure out the facts before publication. The only reason you should be mad at a blogger for not seeking a response from the subject of a post before publication is if that blogger refuses to listen to any comments or responses after the post has already been made. Those are two critical aspects of traditional journalistic standards that are simply handled in more interactive, open process ways in the blogosphere than they are in other mediums. And if certain wags refuse to recognize this, or if they refuse to cut bloggers slack in this regard considering the enormous pressures many of us are under to create new content, then they are either forgetful, or simply unaware of, the way the medium works. Or, they are just being jerks.
This passage seems increasingly relevant to me the further along we move in the 2008 campaign. Basically, I am frequently stunned at how many readers of "short head" progressive blogs seem to demand complete neutrality on the 2008 Presidential race from "short head" bloggers. Further, I am stunned by how many people who are internet savvy enough to read progressive blogs on a regular basis consider front page posts on blogs like MyDD to be the equivalent of television segments or newspaper columns. There seems to be a strange notion that that the progressive blogosphere must somehow be "fair and balanced" on the 2008 campaign, and that we should simply report, while our readers make up their minds based on that reporting. This seems to be the instigating sentiment behind the diary currently on the top of the recommended list, for example.

These demands are hogwash. Compared to other medias, front-page blog posts are living documents, and should be treated as such. Further, bloggers are not just reporters, but rather active participants in progressive politics. We have no obligation to provide equal time and non-editorialized coverage of the 2008 presidential campaign. Even if we did approach the campaign in that fashion, it would lessen the blogosphere as a medium. Blog posts are the start of conversations, the start of investigations, and are not outside the political process in any way. We are part of an ongoing process, not an end result simply reflecting on that process. If you want us to follow candidates on the campaign trail with embedded reporters who stenograph press releases and statements from campaign spokespeople, then you are not appreciating one of the most important distinctions between the blogosphere and other medias. Of course we editorialize. Of course we make posts without contacting every campaign on which we are writing. Of course we pose unanswered questions in our writing if the research required to answer those questions would take several hours or even several days. This is all acceptable because we are not making our proclamations from the top of a mountain and then engraving those writings in stone tablets. We are taking part in an interactive, ongoing and transparent political thought process. And if you are reading this blog, so are you.

Those who demand objectivity and a lack of editorializing might also want to question why they think negative posts about their favorite candidate are supposedly damaging to their candidate. Do they think that most readers of MyDD are a bunch or rubes who will simply believe whatever Matt and I tell them to believe? Do you think they are incapable of processing viewpoints contrary to their own? Do they think people who come to MyDD are looking for the same type of information they would find in the New York Times or on CNN? Editorializing, taking an active role in Democratic politics, and instigating conversations are all main functions of the progressive blogosphere. In fact, they have always been more primary to the role of the Democratic blogosphere than reporting has been. People who come to blogs know this. Do the people who complain about how their favorite candidate is covered on a given blog know this?

Every campaign and every registered user of MyDD has the right to respond to every post made on MyDD. That is how "equal time" is generated on large community blogs. If it was instead created by making sure we called every campaign for a comment about every blog post we were going to make about that campaign, and / or by never editorializing on any campaign, then the blogosphere would be an extremely staid, boring, and infrequently updated place. Of course we should be fair to candidates, but we do so by putting our opinions out in the open, by holding public conversations, and by updating our thoughts as we go. If we acted in any other fashion, then we just wouldn't be the blogosphere, not to mention that quite a few partisans would still think we are treating their candidate unfairly anyway.

Welcome to the living, open world of the political blogosphere. Keep posting comments and diaries. Engage in the process. Engage in the conversation. Just stop thinking we are just an online version of traditional, established media, and that canards such as equal time and objectivity should apply in the same manner here as they do elsewhere.



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Matt Stoller (2.00 / 2)

If Matt Stoller wants to live by his own screed, he should post the names of the anonymous donors and supporters he claims are "leaving" Obama.

If not, he's just another hypocrite for attacking the anonymous Dems insiders on the Hill who relentlessly attack Howard Dean or the Demoratic party, and doing the same thing right here on this blog.

We await your word, Matt.


by rosebowl on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:22:37 PM EST

Re: Matt Stoller (3.00 / 1)

Matt doesn't attack outlets like the Hill for posting those stories. He attacks those donors for anonymously attacking Howard Dean. Further, his attacks against those who attack Dean come from a defense of the fifty-state strategy, the new small donor base of the DNC, and intra-party democracy. He isn't making a media critique in those sorts of posts. He is defending specific people and strategic ideas in the Democratic Party, and attack those who oppose those ideas.

That people think Matt's main problem with those articles is simply that they are even published are completely missing the point. Not to mention that it is pretty hypocritical to accuse someone of not citing sources and naming names when you didn't link to a single post by Matt to justify your claims.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:27:27 PM EST
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Here it is, posted under Breaking Blue (1.00 / 1)

http://www.mydd.com/bb#4765

In my conversations with Obama donors and backers, the sense of a campaign adrift is quite pervasive.

in Matt Stoller's own words.

Like I said, Matt can write whatever he wants, afterall he's a front-pager here. But he shouldn't whine about anonymous attacks on Dems if he is not willing to hold himself accountable to the same scrutiny. It's just straight out hypocritical.


by rosebowl on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:41:24 PM EST
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Re: Here it is, posted under Breaking Blue (none / 0)

No. When did he attack people for making anonymous attacks on Dean, instead of simply for attacking Dean. that is what you didn't cite.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:52:53 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller (3.00 / 1)

Further, we attack eponymous donors and consultants who attack Dean and the DNC too (for example, James Carville). That they are anonymous has nothing to do with it. It is who and what they are attacking that matters. And the reason that matters is because we openly take sides in these debates, just as you have taken a side in favor of Obama.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:37:08 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller (1.00 / 1)

So you do admit the Matt has taken sides against Obama and Hillary right?

Thanks for clearing that up.


by rosebowl on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:54:05 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller (3.00 / 2)

All I'm saying is that there would be nothing wrong if he did so. You seem to think there would be something wrong if he did that, because, I guess, we are the Washington Post or something.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:00:16 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller (none / 0)

Matt has already taken sides against Hillary and Obama. I'm absolutely fine with that. And I know that you are a John Edwards backer, Chris. That's absolutely fine as well.

The problem with Matt's post is that he posted something so outlandish about Obama without giving us Obama suppporters a chance to rebut his ridiculous claims in that diary. The breaking rule section doesn't allow for commenting.
What's more, the jist of his post was from anonymous sources, which is absolutely antithetical to what Matt preaches. I'm not claiming MyDD is in the same category as the NY Times, the Washington Post, etc. What I'm saying is MyDD should have better standards than to allow drive-by diaries from front-pagers who clearly have another agenda in mind.

Post a diary and lets all debate. This is what we are here for. But don't post a drive-by hit diary without any opportunity to hold the diarist accountable through the comment section.  


by rosebowl on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:22:06 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller (none / 0)

I do not support any candidate right now.  I have made strong criticisms of Edwards at times, and I will continue to do so.

I have also contributed to all three top candidates.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 07:46:54 PM EST
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I wish (3.00 / 1)

more bloggers would take sides. I wrote a much-criticized diary to that effect :http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/4/2 01614/8011

Of the dozens of prominent bloggers, only you, Chris, identifies yourself as a supporter of a candidate: that's weird. It seems bloggers are afraid to say they're supporting candidates for fear, I guess, of alienating a chunk of their readers or some of the campaigns. Granted, many of them are sincerely undecided--that's fine--but it's weird that political junkies wouldn't at least be leaning one way or another. I think that's what bothers some readers: few bloggers are open about which way they're leaning.


by david mizner on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:36:00 PM EST
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the Washington establishment (hacks) (none / 0)

Yeah. Fu*k Bob Shrum and all the rest of them. F*cking Democratic Consultants / Advisors / Strategists always scaring Dems away from taking an actual stand. Fuck whatever his name is who works for Obama who said Scooter Libby should be pardoned for strategic reasons while Iraqis and Americans are being killed and injured in Iraq. For those of you in DC (Washington): Bob Shrum, Infamous Elitist "Democratic" Consultant--Loser, 11 consequitive campaigns, at a cost of 10s of millions of dollars to political donors. More acurately, probably more than that. He's at Politics & Prose this Wednesday @ 8PM. http://www.politics-prose.com/directio.h tm It's at the Nebraska Ave, Connecticut Ave intersection. Get there early. I'm planning on going and telling him what a douchebag, Media Whore, and thorn he is in the side of the Progressive Movement. John Stewart had it right on his show a week or so ago, only he didn't go far enough--that would have been fair. I actually wish that he hadn't even been given air-time. He should be kicked out of Washington, over to Ancient Rome.
by Ptod on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 10:18:26 PM EST
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Sure (2.00 / 2)

It helps when the editorializing is happening in a forum in which a response can be applied directly to the opinion in question, such as in a diary. This is preferable to posting opinion in the Breaking Blue column, which may or may not be done to avoid comments that would accomplish this:

Every campaign and every registered user of MyDD has the right to respond to every post made on MyDD.

It shouldn't be necessary to generate a diary to respond to a heavily editorialized, under sourced bit in the Breaking Blue section. I know you guys will stick together, but this is a ridiculous practice and should not continue.


by mihan on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:25:46 PM EST

Re: Sure (none / 0)

Um, so we shouldn't editorialize in breaking blue, because writing diaries in response is too time consuming, or something?

Am I missing your point, or is that really what you are arguing?
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:31:37 PM EST
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Re: Sure (3.00 / 1)

Yeah, I think if you're going to say something controversial, it should be in a diary to allow people to sound off.  Having the response split up among several responsive diaries, while Breaking Blue scrolls down the page and is lost to posterity, isn't really the best scenario.

It's your blog and we're all just making suggestions.  But Matt's BB wasn't just a snarky one-liner, it had enough substance to stand as a diary and it probably should have.  Maybe we could ask Matt why he posted it in BB and not as a diary.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:41:32 PM EST
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Re: Sure (3.00 / 1)

I would say back to you that ability to comment on an item is pretty easily done by quoting from Stoller in your own diary and eliciting responses.


by juls on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:48:13 PM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

So you're really advocating the creation of new diaries to refute commentary made in  breaking blue? Even when a comment-length response by itself may have otherwise been sufficient.


by mihan on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:17:19 PM EST
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Re: Sure (3.00 / 1)

How complicated is this? A few simple steps...

1) You spot a BB entry that raises your eyebrow.

  1. You copy and paste this entry into a diary
  2. You write why you were compelled to post this BB entry as a diary
  3. People comment and a good time is had by all.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:36:04 PM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

Stupid auto format - can someone tell me how to avoid that in the future?


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:36:27 PM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

Right, and so instead of one diary in which everyone can post their comments and have a discussion, let's put it in BB and let everyone make a bunch of response diaries.

Of course you CAN do things this way, it just seems like kind of a waste when you're already right here on a blog that allows comments.  It's just a suggestion, and the front-pagers can do with it as they please.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 07:08:04 PM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

Its not that diaries are so hard to make, but do you really expect us to generate diaries to respond to Breaking Blue commentary? There are enough crap diaries out there as it is...and often a response need not be more than a few sentences.

You guys are really sticking together on this one, and that's okay...I'm just asking that you consider all the angles here.


by mihan on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:13:49 PM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

I fully agree with Chris' post, and I also  agree about mihan's Breaking Blue comment.
But as we saw today, any one of us can take a suspect BB post and make a diary to allow for discussion. It might be better if those types of posts were left off BB, but either way we do have the capacity to respond.
www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:31:48 PM EST
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"short head" progressive blogs (none / 0)

What are "short head" progressive blogs? I don't know what this distinction means. Can somebody pls explain?


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:30:17 PM EST

Re: "short head" progressive blogs (3.00 / 1)

The short head is connected to the idea of the "long tail." A decent description can be found here.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:34:43 PM EST
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Re: "short head" progressive blogs (3.00 / 1)

Thanks.

OT: Do you know what percentage of page views at MyDD come from archived posts vs. current posts? I think there are opportunities for blogs to leverage archives posts as another source of revenue. People who are reading archived posts found by search likely have a higher tolerance for more advertising than the daily readers. You could leverage this different preference with a similar strategy to the NYT or other newspapers - make the archives pay (without a fee - just higher advertising). The longer this blog exists and the more posts you have in the archives the more virtual real estate you own to use for advertising.


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:08:26 PM EST
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Re: On Being "Fair... (2.00 / 2)

I think that obviously progressive blogs have a certain slant just like conversative blogs. It seems odd to me that they would function any other way.

However, I think having a partisan opinion does not mean that you should demonize other people or candidates whom you disagree with. I think we've all been guilty of this to some degree, and this blog is a lot better than others. But while we might have the right to be a douchebag that doesn't mean that we should be one.


by world dictator on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:32:54 PM EST

That wasn't our complaint (1.00 / 1)

I can't speak for the others, but here were my problems with what Stoller said.

1) Matt Stoller was basically lying by saying that he was "no fan of Clinton, Obama or Edwards";

2) Stoller's reading of a one-point drop for Obama, and a four-point drop for Edwards, suggest a very active imagination in that he saw the trend as "especially bad for Obama";

3) Beginning with a post on Obama's CFR speech, which Stoller then took down, laced with lots of venom, and re-posted, Stoller has been little more than an anti-Obama pit bull for Edwards for months WHILE PRETENDING OTHERWISE; and finally,

4) Stoller then went on to quote anonymous Obama sources and donors that the Obama campaign has lost critical momentum, is a listless ship, and is in big trouble.

Stoller wasn't somehow exemplifying the virtues of blogging. He was engaging in the anonymous sourcing, factual errors, and arbitrage of trust that made the MSM the laughingstock that it is.


by jforshaw on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:44:07 PM EST

Re: That wasn't our complaint (3.00 / 2)

"3) Beginning with a post on Obama's CFR speech, which Stoller then took down, laced with lots of venom, and re-posted, Stoller has been little more than an anti-Obama pit bull for Edwards for months WHILE PRETENDING OTHERWISE; and finally,"

That is an absolutely hilarious statement. Stoller is quite apathetic towards all the candidates. He's been slightly more positive towards Edwards lately, but back in Feb/march he was much more positive towards Obama. He still isn't an Edwards supporter, let alone cheerleader or pitbull by any stretch of the imagination.

Man, I totally see what Chris is talking about. You guys really do think this is just like reading the WashPost or something to that effect and anytime one of the frontpagers (or journalists as you see them) say something bad about your candidate it means they have a hidden bias towards another candidate. It's just ridiculous and it has no basis in fact. Just like it's pretty ridiculous to claim that Ben Smith has a right-wing bias just because the owner of the politico is a right-winger.

That's leaving the realm of our reality-based world and heading into freeper land where everyone shouts "bias!" whenever they don't like something they hear instead of debating the point on its merits.

Use your heads people.


by adamterando on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:52:51 PM EST
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Re: That wasn't our complaint (none / 0)

I doubt you realize this, because you are the butt of the joke, but you just proved the point of this post. The rest of us are laughing.


Bob Brigham Blog
by Bob Brigham on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:04:57 PM EST
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Bower's Post (none / 0)

This is a good, pithy post.  And this could be the blogger's response to Saunders at Swampland and to engage him there.  It's one thing to be critical here (and I can see why the diarist is critical of Saunders), but I think if Saunders is calling for this same level of engagement, this post is worth repeating at Swampland either on Saunder's post or as a guest blogger there.


by benny06 on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:44:25 PM EST

Re: Bowers' Post (none / 0)

Sorry for the typo.


by benny06 on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:45:54 PM EST
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Editorializing (none / 0)

I am not against front pagers editorializing and analyzing data, material, and positions.  However, I think that it is fair to expect a certain amount of truth to be expressed.  In the Breaking Blue Matt said:

Rasmussen's polling trends are really bad for him. Since the end of April when he briefly topped Clinton by two points, he's steadily dropped until he's sitting twelve back, which is a quarter of his total support.

This is entirely disingenuous.  If you average all of Obama's Rasmussen numbers from the beginning of March to the present you get about 28%, all but one of the polls since that time could be explained as within the MoE from that average.  Granted, due to the arrangement of the residuals if it was a flat average it is clear that he did have a bump through the end of April which is what Matt speaks of.  He does not however have a downward trend, he dropped at the beginning of May and has maintained his position around 26 for the last 6 weeks.


by Obama08 on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:55:22 PM EST

Re: Editorializing (none / 0)

So quit whining and point that out. Debate is good, whining is almost as annoying as Obama using Steve (Harold Ford of the West) Westly as his CA Chair.


Bob Brigham Blog
by Bob Brigham on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:02:33 PM EST
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Re: Editorializing (2.00 / 3)

Its not disingenuous. Rasmussen showed Obama within 8 points or less of Clinton for seven consecutive weeks. For the last four weeks, Rasmussen has shown Clinton up for eight or more points. link.

It may be wrong, but I think any casual reader of those trends would agree that they are not great for Obama. To say something is being disingenuous because they didn't average 20 polls before making a one-line post strikes me as unfair.

But I'm sure I can trust a user named Obama08 to be entirely objective.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:04:53 PM EST
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Re: Editorializing (none / 0)

First, I never said I was unbiased.  I could pick a different username and continue to argue nearly the same points that I do, but then I would be pointing out that I am biased.  I take the fact that I very clearly and forthrightly state my bias to be a good thing.

You are right, and I did mention, that Obama did seem to have a bump in the month of April.  However from the first month of May until now, 6 weeks later, he has stayed consistently at 25 or 26 (with one poll that was clearly an outlier).  Given his consistency over the course of the last month and a half it is difficult to find a trend.


by Obama08 on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:12:14 PM EST
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Re: Editorializing (none / 0)

I apologize for LandStander troll rating you.  I thank him for defending me, however you do bring up valid points which you have every right to my response on.  I am guessing his reaction was to your snark about the fact that I use Obama08 as my username.  I have to assume that you do read a number of my comments and diaries and I'm sorry if you feel that I do not make valid arguments for my points, if you have any particular grievances with my biases please feel free to address them with me.


by Obama08 on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:54:07 PM EST
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important for groupies to understand this (none / 0)

I love MyDD because I think it is a brilliant community, but the people who didn't get what you wrote in this post before you wrote it are the worst rubes who need to put down the coolaid and get a clue.


Bob Brigham Blog
by Bob Brigham on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:00:57 PM EST

Re: On Being "Fair" (3.00 / 1)

It strikes me that the posters that are yelling the loudest are the ones that know the least about MyDD.

Do they not realize that this site was 100% for Howard Dean in 2002 to early '03?  

I think it's great that people wear their favorites on their sleeves. There's enough of that crapola out there called 'fair and balanced' and 'objective' opinions and political coverage.

Instead, give me the person that is 100% in opinion, even if I disagree with them, everytime.


by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:04:27 PM EST

Re: On Being "Fair" (none / 0)

Man are you guys whining up a storm because of a few critiques.  
What does Dean 2002 have to do with anything 2007.

I was with Dean, then Feingold and now I'm for Gore. Big deal. When I come here to read what's going on with the Left, who I should send money too, what's going on in general I want all you got.  
I know you have a certain take different than other writers. Great!

But the absence of 'positive news' or top diaries about anyone other than John Edwards or without Edwards name somewhere in the stories title was stiking. And it's true.

And if we're upset or surprised and hurt to see anyone on our side act even the tiniest bit like them, I guess we made a mistake in holding you to a higher standard.


Dedicated to a Clean and Lean Dean Powered Machine!
by hazmaq on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 07:04:11 PM EST
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"Objectivity" (2.00 / 2)

Who is asking for complete neutrality? It just seems like there should be some limits.
There's a difference between opinion and deception, especially when it comes to polls, and we should all be called on it when we cross that line.
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by psericks on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:08:06 PM EST

Objectivity Concerns (none / 0)

There is only one things that bothers me about any blogger not being neutral, and that is when their personal opinions make them start to spin the facts or makes them blind to the facts.

This rarely happens and can be corrected especially on MyDD because you post the details of your analysis and we can criticize and analyze them ourselves. In fact, the only time I can recall it happening on a large scale was during the last months of Lamont-Lieberman.


by MNPundit on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:09:43 PM EST

great news for Hillary (none / 0)

This three-way cat fight among Obama, Edwards supporters and front pagers is great news for Hillary. We know this site hates Hillary, and we fight, Hillary Clinton is cruising along!!

This cat fight further diminishes the credibility of mydd, any future hit-pieces on Hillary will be marginalized.


by bryandem on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:24:23 PM EST

Re: great news for Hillary (3.00 / 1)

Since you are so interested and eager to see our credibility go down, I have no problem banning you. Talk about making it obvious that you have no desire to productively participate in the site. Goodbye.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:30:20 PM EST
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Re: great news for Hillary (1.00 / 1)

That just made my day.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:38:00 PM EST
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Re: great news for Hillary (none / 0)

Chris,

Please go through this diary and undo blogswarm's ratings.  He has unnecessarily given many individuals 1s who were contributing to a reasonable discussion.


by Obama08 on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:59:51 PM EST
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Re: On Being "Fair" (none / 0)

I agree that you are under no obligation to be unbiased in your opinions. You are actually the first blogger that I have seen admit to not being an unbiased source of news. Most confuse their opinions with blatant truth and pretend to be a viable alternative to the MSM press. It's refreshing. Thanks!


by DoIT on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 07:17:23 PM EST

On Being Fair Period (3.00 / 2)

Frankly I'm really tired of the blogosphere. It once held the promise, for me and for others, of democratizing the way information was distributed away from those select few who had the resources to hire research teams, ombudsmen, consultants, etc. But as a result, almost all news has become infotainment to be consumed by people predisposed to it. DailyKos, HuffPo, C&L, MyDD (to a lesser extent), and other blogs have become echo chambers because their livelihoods depend on people who by and large automatically agree with the front page 'news'. Think about the recent "Capitulation Bill" which nearly all of these sites had agreed was a sellout to President Bush and had argued exactly the same points.

Further, I am stunned by how many people who are internet savvy enough to read progressive blogs on a regular basis consider front page posts on blogs like MyDD to be the equivalent of television segments or newspaper columns. There seems to be a strange notion that that the progressive blogosphere must somehow be "fair and balanced" on the 2008 campaign, and that we should simply report, while our readers make up their minds based on that reporting.

You do what you want. But if you don't believe that what you print is taken for news then I beg to differ. What's the difference between news and news magazine? More editorial content? Can anyone really tell? And what's the difference between a news magazine and a blog? Maybe it's not your fault but you do wield great influence on how people think. Politics (anything regarding policy or politicians) has been lumped together with News for quite a while now.

And as a result of that convergence, the traditional news media have adapted to burgeoning tastes for politico gimmickry, back room strategy play by play, and the latest polls a la MyDD which show that there's possibly a trend which may or may not exist but who cares because someone published it on the web and if enough people believe it and recite it aloud then it's automatically true. The New York Times Politics section reads exactly like MyDD (with the exception of covering Republicans), which may be a compliment to the MyDD folks, but is not what The New York Times is for.

So here's this problem that I don't see going away: significant ad revenue is on here to stay on the web and on blogs where the cost is lower and the margins are higher because more and more people would rather hear what they want to hear and not about what's happening from reporters whose politics are unknown. As a result, newspapers have to adapt to and try to compete with bloggers. And while bloggers don't have ombudsmen, supervisors, etc they also don't have a direct blowback from something sensational, outrageous, or tangentially the truth (just as long as the audience agrees); newspapers do. I wish they weren't losing money to blogs so that there'd be more "fairness" in reporting. I wish there was a way they could drop the gimmicks and quit emulating the blogosphere. I wish people would turn off Dancing With The Stars and pay attention to how the media are fragmenting into what's happened, what seems true as a result of what happened and what joeshmoe1972 says is true and 32 people agree on the front page XYZ Political Blog scanned by NYT for their next article about how America thinks _____.

Objectivity would be welcome anywhere. MyDD is in it for the Democrats and many Democrats accept MyDD as a source of valued information. If it's going to be valued, it'd be nice if it were objective. But then if it were objective, it might not be valued any more. That's what upsets me. Makes me just want to ignore all of it and just watch C-SPAN. Believe me, I'm tempted.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 08:20:46 PM EST

Re: On Being "Fair" (none / 0)

So what are the party insiders whinning now because there is finally something they can't control or people they can't threaten into silence like the media?


by orin76 on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 08:28:47 PM EST

Re: On Being "Fair" (none / 0)

Great post, Chris.

MyDD is not under any obligation to balance its negative coverage of the candidates.  I do think blogs should be fair, where "fair" only means making reasonable inferences based on facts and questioning prior assumptions based on new information, but then everyone should be "fair" in that sense.  Fair in that context only means "rational."

And also the front pagers are under no obligation to pick a favourite publicly at this point.  There are solid progressive reasons to support any of the democrats, even if just "he/she is the only one who will beat Republican X"  

It's almost as if we need Wikipedia's rule for debating with fellow progressives/liberals:  Assume good faith.  Unless you have actual evidence that Matt, Jerome or Chris are secretly favouring someone, then keep your mouth shut with the accusations.  


by scientician on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 08:29:24 PM EST


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