Rothenberg: Democrats Played Iraq "like a Stradivarius"

If you want to know the decrepit and immoral state of conventional wisdom in DC, check out Stuart Rothernberg's piece on the supplemental vote.  Rothenberg is part of the forecaster-consultant complex, bumping up races or downgrading them, thereby helping the party committees determine which seats are in play.  He has a well-known beef with Chris Bowers specifically and liberals in general, mocking Howard Dean and the idea of a 50 state strategy until the 2006 wave election occurred.  Rothenberg is not a Republican and he isn't particularly an ideologue right-winger, but he does believe in conservative ideas.  In that, he's a lot like Rahm Emanuel, Steny Hoyer, and Ken Salazar.  He's center-right, the ultimate Beltway pundit, bad at his job but good for the money centers.  So it shouldn't be a surprise to read his latest column on how terrifically Democratic centrists played the war vote, and how they will benefit tremendously from giving Bush another blank check.

Now that the dust has settled on the Congressional vote on the supplemental appropriations bill and on the ruckus that anti-war opponents of the bill kicked up, it's time to assess the political implications.

First, Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill played the issue like a Stradivarius. They forced a vote on a deadline for withdrawal from Iraq, putting Republicans on record supporting the status quo and President Bush, but allowed a subsequent vote to "fund the troops." That gave their own Members from swing districts the opportunity to demonstrate their support for the military.

From a purely political point of view, Democrats had their cake and ate it too. Yes, the war is unpopular, and opposing it is a no-brainer. But the one thing Democrats need to avoid is looking like themselves during the 1970s and 1980s -- weak and unwilling to support America's men and women in uniform. Yes, they've spent the past few years speaking the right words on national security and the armed forces, but if they had refused to pass a spending bill, they would have at the very least opened themselves to attack from the GOP.

So, in ignoring the demands of the party's left, Congressional leaders have kept their party right where they want it -- against the war but also against terrorists and for the troops.

To truly understand how ignorant this is, just take a look at this pretty graph put together by the Washington Post last week.

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The Democrats lost twelve points among independents and eighteen points among liberal Democrats, leading to an overall slide of ten points.  From a twenty four point lead in leadership over Bush in April, the Democrats now sit at parity with him.  If you are politically craven, this was a terrible move.  I don't actually think the Democrats who voted to fund the occupation are that craven; Mark Udall genuinely believes that people who opposed a blank check for Bush want to deny medical care to our troops.  And Steny Hoyer and Rahm Emanuel genuinely want to defer to Bush on leadership and initiative in Washington.  They voted for what they wanted, and got it.  But as a political matter, and whether it was 'good' for Democrats as a whole, well, that's hardly a Stradivarius.

Rothenberg continues.

Why take a chance alienating swing voters when the party already made its point by sending the president a deadline bill that he vetoed?

Anti-war critics of the Democratic Congressional leadership have nowhere else to go, both now and in November 2008.

Liberal bloggers apparently are angry with Democratic Rep. Mark Udall's vote for the supplemental, but they'll support him in next year's open-seat Senate race in Colorado. Similarly, the 2008 Democratic nominee for president will be more appealing to anti-war liberals than the Republican nominee will be, so the Democratic Party risks very little, at least at this point, in disappointing its most ideological, confrontational element.

Why take a chance alienating swing voters, Rothenberg asks, completely oblivious to the fact that this vote cost Democrats ten points among independents.  We're already seeing rural voters turn against the occupation, and towards the Democrats.  It's bizarre that this guy is a forecaster, a nonpartisan political analyst, but it's also important to know that this is where the conventional wisdom comes from.  

Note also the contempt for the left, for people who want to end the occupation in Iraq.  Where are we going to go, if it's not for Mark Udall in Colorado or Hillary Clinton in 2008?  Well, I can say that this energy is going to translate either into primary challenges or into apathy, but it won't go into helping this party leadership much longer.  I'm going to encourage primaries as much as possible, because what they want is for us to go away.

I have to say that Udall's probably going to regret attacking progressives at a certain point.  I hear he's mad at us, which prompted his angry, irrational, and vicious response to our criticisms in the Denver Post.  That bipartisanship isn't going to work so well for his race for the Senate, as Zappatero helpfully points out.  Udall's going to have to run hard against Iraq, and essentially disavow this vote.  He's going to be questioned with 'well if you were against the war why did you vote to fund it?'  And his explanation, that he supports the troops by giving money to Bush, will sound a lot like John Kerry's 'I voted for the $87B before I voted against it'.  In fact, expect to see that clip used in GOP commercials.  Whatever Udall gives as an explanation won't work for anyone's vote except Stuart Rothenberg.

Democrats who are not named Udall, Emanuel, or Hoyer would do well to ignore people like Rothenberg in the future.  'Forecasters' like him are quite terrible at their job, give useless and counterproductive information that cherry-picks data to confirm a preconceived hypothesis, and generally encourage bad faith politics within the Democratic Party.  Oh, and let's leave aside the fact that occupying a foreign country like Iraq and killing thousands of people is against the ten commandments or something.  I mean, Stuart Rothenberg, Rahm Emanuel, Steny Hoyer, George Bush, and Mark Udall did.



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Why angry? (none / 0)

It's just his opinion, one opinion, just as you have your own opinion.

Polls are fluid, nothing is set in stone. If he's really that silly, how can he still make tons of money? If netroots are as smart as you guys always like to brag in terms of winning elections, why don't those democratic politicians just give all their consulting fees to netroots?

'Netroots' is just part of solution, and you don't have crystal ball. Until you can deliver real/tangible election victory, D.C. politicians are not going to give more money to you.


by bryandem on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 11:55:50 AM EST

Re: Why angry? (none / 0)

I'm guessing that you think that Webb, Tester, and Lamont beating Lieberman in the primary aren't victories then.  


by LionelEHutz on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 12:02:50 PM EST
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Ummm... (3.00 / 1)

 The beltway Dem establishment keeps right on hiring the same LOSING consultants, such as Bob Shrum. They're not interested in winnng. The reason they dislike the netroots`is because the netroots want to win elections. The DC Dems just want to hobnob with important people.

 Put it this way: NOBODY who had a hand in the Democratic debacles of 2002 and 2004 should be allowed anywhere near a Democratic campaign anymore, ever. The fact that these losers retain influence tells us all we need to know about how serious they are about winning...


by Master Jack on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 01:09:13 PM EST
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Wow. Just wow. (none / 0)

Why take a chance alienating swing voters when the party already made its point by sending the president a deadline bill that he vetoed?

Anti-war critics of the Democratic Congressional leadership have nowhere else to go, both now and in November 2008.

Liberal bloggers apparently are angry with Democratic Rep. Mark Udall's vote for the supplemental, but they'll support him in next year's open-seat Senate race in Colorado.

When I read things like that, I remind myself that the upper hand that Democrats currently enjoy can be gone in a New York minute.

How lucky I am that both of my state's newly elected freshmen Democrats in Congress (Paul Hodes, Carol Shea-Porter) ignored that beltway wisdom and voted against the supplemental.


Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
by Dean Barker on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 12:12:26 PM EST

Making Points vs. Making Policy (none / 0)

Why take a chance alienating swing voters when the party already made its point by sending the president a deadline bill that he vetoed?

This quote exposes the biggest flaw in Rothenberg's argument.

  • Minority parties make points.
  • Majority parties make policy.

    Perhaps the Party's leaders cared most about making a point; the party's base desperately wanted them to end the war. And as Matt correctly points out (bolstered by the poll results), they failed miserably in both regards.

    Note to Stuart Rothenberg (who seems to be capable of reading poll results in all other matters): The swing voters want to end this war!


  • In a mountain half-way between Reno and Rome We have a machine in a plexiglass dome Which listens and looks into everyone's home. -- Theodore Seuss Geisel
    by joelspolls on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 01:02:52 PM EST

    By the way, Mr. Rothenberg... (none / 0)

     I DO have somewhere else to go.

     See: Edwards, Donna.


    by Master Jack on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 01:10:32 PM EST

    Re: Rothenberg: Democrats Played Iraq (none / 0)

    Similarly, the 2008 Democratic nominee for president will be more appealing to anti-war liberals than the Republican nominee will be, so the Democratic Party risks very little, at least at this point, in disappointing its most ideological, confrontational element.

    Well this is just a perfect example of pure calculating, stand for nothing, just do the bare minimum politics as usual that has turned so many voters off.  It reinforces Ralph Nader's 2000 argument that there's not a dime's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans.  That seems to be true at the "expert" level, but it damned well isn't true at the grassroots/voter level.  


    Blogging for Alabama at LeftInAlabama
    by Mooncat on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 01:46:56 PM EST

    We're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good (none / 0)

    Look, I don't know jack about Rothenberg or his loyalties, and perhaps that's a battle best settled elsewhere.

    But I think we're being a little too critical of a perspective that is quite useful.  Yes, the supplemental vote failed to end the war (as if it was going to get past a veto anyhow), and yes, it appears by the polls that voters are holding it against the Democrats for failing to close the deal, in spite of their mandate from Nov. 2006.

    But Rothenberg is correct that it gives us some double-barreled ammunition for future use.  The opportunity to tie Republicans to Bush and the war won't fall out of a tree. So perhaps we shouldn't be so greedy.

    Rothenberg would only be wrong on this issue if Democrats fail to use Republicans' votes and the Bush veto when they run in 2008.  Are we saying we don't have the faith in them to do that?  (I know, I know, let's not go there)

    Poll results can be reversed in other ways, but a Republican can't reverse a vote once it's cast.  And besides, the only poll that counts is the one they take on the first Tuesday in November.


    by gas28man on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 02:13:42 PM EST

    Bipartisanship (3.00 / 3)

    This fetish for bipartisanship is what's hurting Dems most. They always give in, R's always get the meat of what they want, and these DC insiders cream their jeans over the beautiful bipartisan music.

    Only thing is it's fake. Udall hasn't figured it out, and neither has Ken Salazar.


    by zappatero on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 02:20:40 PM EST

    They're afraid of the Democratic Base. (3.00 / 2)

    First, they CAN read polls. That actually explains the problems they face (people aren't buying their politics), and thus their deceptive political writings and their use of triangulation strategies.

    These so-called centrists of the Democratic Party are deathly afraid that the activists will become active. Perhaps, they're even more afraid of the left-wing of the Party than they are of the Republicans. The Party Base, Liberal Democrats, Activists, Move-on, and the Blogging Media add up to a power base that is capable of challenging the establishment.

    This fear of the base has always been there, at least since Vietnam, but now we have a whole set of issues where the Liberal wing of the party is coherently opposed to the Conservative wing, and we find the general public siding with the liberals. So, their fear is understandable because it isn't just about losing to the Republicans. These are centrists by ideology and economic interest (who pays their bills?). They don't actually want Liberal ideas represented because they and their big funding sources are conservative, if not corporate. They CAN read polls, and realize that they have to shore up the middle, aka use Republican framing, or else their strategies will be swept aside.

    The Centrists have had a couple of decades to work on maintaining ideological control. To be cynically political about it, Iraq is a proxy for other issues, so votes to continue the war are a proxy for other positions. These votes WILL end up coming back to haunt some sitting Democrats in the Primaries.

    We've seen these centrist strategies play out in State Party politics, where Liberal Platforms are ignored by the candidates supported by the Party higher-ups, and go soft on the issues that matter to the base:
     - Single-Payer Health Care
     - Responsible, multi-lateral foreign policy
     - Policies that favor Labor and lower income


    There's more of us than there is of them.
    by MetaData on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:38:32 PM EST

    Re: Rothenberg Democrats (none / 0)

    "...It's bizarre that this guy is a forecaster, a nonpartisan political analyst, but it's also important to know that this is where the conventional wisdom comes from..."

    He's quite partisan. He likes to have a fat bank account. He's discovered there's a whole market for DINOcrat advice.

    Don't expect his type to go away: just look at  Lieberman.

    They'll drive the entire party, even the entire country, off a cliff just to make sure no one else is in the driver's seat.


    by kelley b on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:55:27 PM EST


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