Biden At The Longbranch

This is Nate Willems.  I was a regional director for Howard Dean's Iowa campaign and am finishing law school at the University of Iowa.

Senator Joe Biden spoke to over 100 Linn County Democrats tonight at The Longbranch Hotel and Convention Center in Marion.  This was billed as a town hall meeting on Iraq, and did not disappoint.  Senator Biden spoke about Iraq for a solid hour, and took questions for an additional hour, to a crowd of caucus-goers who were hanging on every word.

Biden posed and answered the question, "Then What?"  How can the United States disentangle itself from Iraq without leaving total chaos?  You can read the online version of his plan at www.planforiraq.com.  Suffice to say, he sees no possibility of a multi-ethnic, democratic Iraq with a centralized government in our lifetime.  He sees the path that lead to the Dayton Accords - ending the fighting in Bosnia - as a model.  He makes the case that the "next president will have no margin for error" and must be "smarter than the advisors."

Perhaps the biggest problem with Senator Biden's candidacy is that I can't convey how impressive he was tonight, only the 100+ folks in the room fully experienced it.  Obviously, he is not one of the Big Three in the race.  His crowds are smaller, and I am sure that many of the hard-core activists who attended wonder whether caucusing for Biden would be a waste.  If he did 100 events like tonight, he would speak to 10,000 Iowa Democrats, less than 10% of the number who will caucus.

For those who do see him in person, though, they will be better off for the experience.  He makes an extraordinarily compelling case that he has the best plan for Iraq, the most thoroughly thought out plan for Iraq, and he alone may be able to successfully execute a plan for Iraq.

Senator Biden was candid with the fact that he does not envision the United States pulling out all of our troops from Iraq.  He told us that we were Iowa Democratic activists, notoriously dovish, and that he would not pander to the crowd.  However, with the thorough nature of his speech, the obvious depth of understanding he displayed, and the passion that he showed, I think that he has the ability to re-shape the attitudes on Iraq of activists who hear him speak.  Put another way, he may be able to convince anti-war Democrats who don't think they agree with him, that they themselves are wrong.

Biden has shown at least a little movement in Iowa recently.  David Yepsen's column on Thursday notes that while Obama has picked up a few points, Clinton and Edwards have lost a few points from March to April.  Right now, Biden's campaign strategy need be no more complicated than getting in front of as many Democrats in Iowa and New Hampshire as possible and talking about Iraq.  If he has 6% in Iowa, he has the ability to get into double digits in the near future and add a new dimension into this race.

The biggest implication may be for Obama.  If, 100 Democrats at a time, people come away from seeing Biden thinking, "Wow.  He was impressive, but it just does not seem that he can win the nomination."  Their next thought may very well be, "I wonder if the candidate I was leaning towards supporting (Clinton/Edwards/Obama) could do that."  And that is where I think that folks leaning towards Obama may run into a quandary.  Also, Democrats who are attracted to Obama in the same way that Democrats were attracted to Robert Kennedy, are also impressed by intellect; they also have a hunger for "the smartest candidate."

It just seems as though Biden can raise the bar for the frontrunners.  He reminds Iowa Caucus-goers that they can and should demand more from a presidential candidate than a packed gymnasium and a stump speech.  From what I have seen thus far, the Clinton and Edwards campaigns seem a bit better prepared to show the type of depth and gravitas that Biden displayed tonight.  Even if Senator Biden does not make the Iowa Caucuses a truly competitive four-way race, he can impact Iowa Democrats' individual decision-making processes, and thereby, influence the outcome.



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Re: Biden At The Longbranch (none / 0)

I was not there and I have not heard Biden speak in such a forum so take this for what it is worth, but I just can't see him getting the organization or the grass(net)roots support that he will need to be competitive.

Maybe he is auditioning for Sec. of State....


by Nindid on Mon May 07, 2007 at 12:56:15 AM EST

organization will be a problem for him (none / 0)

I've been called by field organizers for Edwards, Obama, Clinton and Richardson already.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:58:39 AM EST
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I saw Biden in Des Moines last year (none / 0)

He was speaking to a very small group (about 25 people) at a fundraiser for the Iowa House Democrats in an Italian restaurant.

He fielded questions very well. I grilled him about the bankruptcy bill, and he even handled that well (and the follow-up I asked him). Not that I agree with his position, but he made probably the strongest case he could have in defense of the vote.

I think his Ankeny (Des Moines suburb) event yesterday was also solely focused on Iraq. This seems to be his strategy now. When I saw him last year, he talked about several domestic issues as well, and he kept stressing that his lifetime voting record in the Senate was one of the most liberal.

The only negative thing I could say from my experience was that several times he got too close to people when he was answering their questions. He has this tendency to step forward towards someone for emphasis, but a few times he was in people's personal space. A couple of women mentioned to me afterwards that they didn't like that.

I know at least one Biden supporter in my precinct. Who knows? Maybe he can become viable here.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:41:43 AM EST

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How about SecState? He certainly knows how to "negotiate."


by Bob Miller on Mon May 07, 2007 at 07:35:17 AM EST

Biden for Sec. of State? (none / 0)

Biden doesn't have a snow balls' chance. He might make a great Sec. of State.


by cmpnwtr on Mon May 07, 2007 at 08:19:14 AM EST

Re: Biden for Sec. of State? (none / 0)

The problem is that it's real hard to see Biden taking orders from anyone.  He knows a lot about foreign policy, but I'm not sure if any President wants a loose cannon running the State Department.


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by Steve M on Mon May 07, 2007 at 03:11:56 PM EST
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A lot of people said Sec. of State and I think he would make a great one...but what about VP?


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by JDF on Mon May 07, 2007 at 09:56:49 AM EST

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I have a problem with Biden's plan. I don't know how much he addressed it, but could you tell me how you think he would answer it?

My problem is that in Iraq the ethnic boundaries are much fuzzier than they were in Yugoslavia (and it's not like they were clear there). The big difference between the Shia and the Sunni is creed, not ethnicity, and both sides consider themselves Iraqis. An independent Shia state in southern Iraq and an independent Sunni state in central Iraq could not easily be separated. Anybody who knows about the 1947 Partition in India knows that that kind of thing is neither pretty, peaceful nor well-received and the issue of who was to get Baghdad would be fiercely fought. And once the two states were established, they'd be unlikely to recognise the legitimacy of the other's existence for long.

Then there are the regional issues: an independent Shia state would destabilise Arabia, since the states on the Gulf have either Shia majorities or large minorities, but Sunni rulers and Saudi Arabia is similarly worried about the not always quiescent Shia population in the east of it. All these states could, even if they didn't sabotage the creation of a Shia state, later attempt to destroy it. Fear of what King Abdullah of Jordan called 'the Shia Crescent' is very real amongst Middle-Eastern Sunni leaders.

Plus I just don't see how an independent Kurdish state works. Turkey invades the first chance it gets because Turkey, Iran and (I believe) Azerbaijan all have Kurdish minorities. I don't see how it's possible to give the Kurds a state without going back in time, killing Kemal Ataturk and forcing the Ottomans to abide by the treaty of Sevres.

Did Biden deal with any of this?


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by Englishlefty on Mon May 07, 2007 at 09:58:08 AM EST

Syria also has Kurds (none / 0)

That's a lot of conventional wisdom, but I think people who agree with breaking them up (like me, and I've been saying this now for four years) see it eventually happening anyway.  We believe it is inevitable, so we might as well get it over with.  And one of the ways you can deal with some of the problems you brought up is not to actually create several new states, rather turn Iraq, at least for now, into a confederation rather than a federal system.  Let the regions establish security and rebuild at hte local level before trying to have a strong national government.  My idea was more along the lines of doing this with Iraq's traditional provinces than by ethnic lines, but the principle is the same.


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by jallen on Mon May 07, 2007 at 10:35:26 AM EST
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Good point about Syria. I'd forgotten that one.

Why do you believe breaking the regions up is inevitable? Turning Iraq into a confederation faces the same problem as making it several states - there doesn't appear to be much demand for this. If there's a change, it has to be down to self-determination rather than imposed by us, and I don't see that happening. None of Iraq's major leaders seem to want to reduce the power of the Iraqi state, they want to control it. Unless the civil war reaches the more advanced state of actual armies on the move controlled by the opposing sides, which is most certainly not good for the Iraqis, none of the factions will want to abdicate their chance to take all the power for themselves.

What I'm seeing, I'm afraid to say, is an attempt to repair the damage done by Sykes and Picot by the exact same methods they used.


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by Englishlefty on Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:22:57 PM EST
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You're right about that, but I still think it'sgoing to happen.  Just cause they all want to rule the country doesn't mean any of them will.  I think things will change as the civil war heats up.


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by jallen on Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:46:52 PM EST
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He did not truly get into your first point, the difficulties of disentangling the two sides.

He expressed your sentiment on regional issues, including a Kurdish state, almost verbatim.  


by Nate Willems on Mon May 07, 2007 at 11:50:18 AM EST
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For those who do see him in person, though, they will be better off for the experience.  He makes an extraordinarily compelling case that he has the best plan for Iraq, the most thoroughly thought out plan for Iraq, and he alone may be able to successfully execute a plan for Iraq.

He makes no case for the bolded part. He has no executive leadership experience. As for Obama, his ability to inspire and unite people is a skill that would be necessary to execute any good plan.

Hell, Brownback also supports this plan. It's not like Biden made this plan up out of the Blue. The policy wonks that first developed the "Biden/Brownback" plan have equal claim to be president if all it takes is "being smarter than your advisors."


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by demondeac on Mon May 07, 2007 at 11:39:56 AM EST

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Biden has a tremendous amount of leadership experience in the Senate. You don't spend 18 years in the top Federal forum without learning the value of 'governance'.

He knows how to lead and he knows 'the system'...both requirements for becoming President.

We've just seen the impact of a President you didn't know how to lead and didn't understand the system...his aides took over and ran the country right into the ground.

Senate experience is a qualifying factor if you've been there long enough to understand all branches of government.


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by BigDog on Mon May 07, 2007 at 03:14:14 PM EST
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"As for Obama, his ability to inspire and unite people is a skill that would be necessary to execute any good plan..."

Rhetoric does not execute a plan. Leadership and experience does. The only candidate in the field who fits that billing is Bill Richardson. Governor. Ambassador. Secretary of Energy. Congressman. No one else can match his credentials. He should be the easy pick for the Dems.


by triedandtruedem on Mon May 07, 2007 at 08:31:58 PM EST
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Obama has no executive experience, but having an ability to unite and inspire people is suposed to make up for that?  I'd say no matter how you cut it, Biden has a hell of a lot more experience than Obama, although unfortunately, keeping from saying stupid things is not one of them.


by NYFM on Mon May 07, 2007 at 02:59:03 PM EST

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Biden could break through with some very innovative use of alternative communication techniques.

He is currently doing it the old fashioned way...a few people in early primary states.

He could use a better blog presence.


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by BigDog on Mon May 07, 2007 at 03:11:28 PM EST


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