Polling preview

I'm going to start rolling out some state Democratic presidential primary polls. My approach to polling is different from most in that I rely on past voter history from the vote file (RBS) rather than calling randomly generated numbers (RDD) and asking some screening questions. RDD works well in high profile elections, but can miss regional and demographic patterns that influence lower turnout elections.

For example, I polled Texas at approximately the same time as ARG a couple of months back. Their results showed Obama only two points behind Clinton, while I had him in third behind Edwards. I was able to reconcile the two polls by reweighting my regional numbers to match the general population. Obama was very strong in the big cities, but very weak in South Texas. Problem is, the big cities have very low turnout in primaries. South Texas' turnout percentage is three times that of Dallas. By sampling based on actual voter history, these proportions are already baked into the data.

Last week, Datamar released a surprising poll that showed Edwards in the lead. I think they are using RBS, as they use

a comprehensive predictive model of "likely" voters, based on election cycles and other factors of voters in Florida. The survey was conducted using an automated telephone dialer and the voice of a professional announcer. A Datamar proprietary algorithm was used to generate random samples of voters for calling.
They sample 'voters' based on 'election cycles,' which is a description that could apply to my methodology. Maybe I'm reading too much into that description, but either way, the demographic profile is very close to a sample I had FloridaVoterFile.com pull based on my criteria. I was surprised at the low Hispanic percentage, but Florida Hispanics are 1) registered at a much lower rate than the general population, 2) in younger, low turnout age groups compared to the genpop, 3) more likely to be Republican than Hispanics nationwide, meaning fewer Hispanic Florida Primary-voting Democrats than you might expect.

Datamar uses different age groupings than FloridaVoterFile, but the percentages look like they could match up to the General Election profile among registered Democrats. Edwards is strong in the older age groups, and with 42% of Datamar's sample over 65, there should be no surprise that he polled well. However, Democratic Primary elections in Florida have a significantly higher senior percentage than General Elections. Edwards may actually have a bigger lead than Datamar suggests.

I'll be polling Florida to see how my results compare to Datamar and other Florida polls. I have two samples, one for Democratic Primary voters and one for registered Democrats in the General. Closed primary, no independents. I will weight the two samples to reflect the higher interest in a meaningful primary. I'll also be doing Texas and Pennsylvania soon. If any blogger out there has access to their state voter file and would like a tracking poll for their blog, let me know - info at ivr polls dot com. The cost of the vote file is my biggest expense, which is probably one reason RDD is so much more common.

My question is: beyond candidate preference, what other questions would you like to see on the poll? I've done second choice, how closely are you following, are you still considering other candidates, etc.  With the automated format, questions need to be short and to the point, so keep that in mind, but my marginal cost for a couple of extra questions is very low, so might as well ask.



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Nevada (none / 0)

Any chance you might do a Nevada poll? those have been sorely lacking of late.
by Chris Bowers on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:31:08 PM EST

Re: Nevada (3.00 / 2)

If someone can provide access to the voter file, I'd be happy to give it a shot. That said, using a past history methodology in a caucus state with no relevant history would be a crapshoot. Voter sentiment, sure, but anyone predicting the caucus at this point is not credible.


Texas Economics
by IVR Polls on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:41:10 PM EST
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You may be in luck (none / 0)

You and me both

The Nevada voter file is available for free. I thought $20 for the PA vote file was a good deal. It just depends on what data is included and whether any phone field has reasonable coverage.

This would still be a voter sentiment poll, and make no claim of predicting the caucus.


Texas Economics
by IVR Polls on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:18:45 PM EST
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Re: Polling preview (none / 0)

Since your asking...

A question on Gore would be nice - not as a candidate choice, but maybe a separate "would you vote for Gore if..." type question, or just a favorability question.


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by LandStander on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:35:47 PM EST

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I'd prefer a separate preference question with Gore, to set them against each other outright.  Favorability would be nice, but I'd rather see how much he can take and from who.  That is, if a question about Gore were to be asked.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:39:25 PM EST
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I might do a followup with 'If Gore or Clark were to enter the race, would you switch your vote?' and then ask 'Which one?' for the switchers.


Texas Economics
by IVR Polls on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:45:14 PM EST
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Yeah, that seems like one of those numbers that is hard to get from polling. I wonder if Gore himself has done any polling, because from the available numbers it is impossible to tell how much support he would really get (state-by-state and nationally), and which candidates it would come from.

If I were him, I wouldn't think of entering unless those numbers told a very convincing story. But how to get those numbers in the first place?


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:53:16 PM EST
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Here's a question I'd like asked,

"If a candidate proposes a way to achieve universal health care, how important is it that patients have the option of joining a public/government insurance plan?"

Something like that, but probably more concise.


by adamterando on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:39:16 PM EST

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I'd like to see something on what issues voters associate a candidate with. It'd be interesting to see if, for example, Edwards is associated with a focus on poverty, or Richarson with withdrawal.


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by Englishlefty on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:39:30 PM EST

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Doing all the candidates would be too long for this format, but I might just ask about the strongest association for the chosen candidate. I'll have to think about this one.


Texas Economics
by IVR Polls on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:48:07 PM EST
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How about an 'is America ready...' (for a Black candidate, woman candidate) type of question.

That could be interesting.


by Mystylplx on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:46:10 PM EST

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I have seen some on this, but would love to see more!!
I'm not sure if the polls I have seen were automated or not, but I imagine this is one topic where automated polling would be preferred.

www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:56:19 PM EST
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I'll try to think up a good way to phrase that.


Texas Economics
by IVR Polls on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:59:45 PM EST
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There have been polls showing that HRC is perceived as the most liberal, while Edwards is perceived as the most centrist, with Obama usually in the middle. More numbers on this topic would be very interesting.

Or - can anyone point me to recent and/or tracked polls that have this information?


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:55:08 PM EST

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I'm not sure how recent these are.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:03:19 PM EST
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That was the page I was thinking of - most of the numbers are as of mid-April.

Thanks!


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:19:52 PM EST
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It would be helpful to go down the "choices" list.  Some polls show "second" choice, but I would also like to see "third" and "fourth" choice to assess the maximum polling universe a candidate could possibly have at the time of the poll.  


by georgep on Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:57:47 PM EST

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It's tricky in the IVR format. With the long list of candidates, and having to explicitly record all the choices, the questions get long and the hang-up rate increases. With a high hang-up rate, you can introduce bias.

I've been working on some programming that would be more interactive, and could drop the first choice and then read the shorter list etc, but for now I have to explicitly code the forks.


Texas Economics
by IVR Polls on Wed May 30, 2007 at 03:11:40 PM EST
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Re: electability (none / 0)

What about an electability question? Ie, Will the electability of your candidate in the general election influence your decision? Or something liek that because I do want to understand why the match up of GOP candidates against Democratic candidates seems from what I've read to yield a different result than the Democratic primary voter polls.


by bruh21 on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:32:05 PM EST

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That is a weird question to raise.  I am sure Lieberman was the MOST electable GE candidate in 2004, with lots of Republicans, moderate and conservatives alike, actually liking the guy.  But, without DEMOCRATS to play along, it did not matter if REPUBLICANS liked the guy like he was their best friend.  


by georgep on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:43:59 PM EST
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Electability has always been a factor in choosing candidates. it was the case in 2004 and as for your example- who won that election? It is only weird if you don't care about winning the election that actually allows your party to win the Presidency.


by bruh21 on Thu May 31, 2007 at 08:10:45 AM EST
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Any chance that this methodology could be replicated at the Congressional level? If the voter profile in a CD is available could we volunteer to conduct a combination of national and local polling throughout the MyDD community?


by citydude2000 on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:19:57 PM EST


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