GWOT Fight

As Singer noted earlier today, Edwards is pushing on the war on terror metaphor, pointing out that it is an abused metaphor used to centralize political power in the hands of some seriously bad people.  That is a very good thing, and he should be praised for his courageous stance.  Ari Melber points me to this interview in Time Magazine.

"This political language has created a frame that is not accurate and that Bush and his gang have used to justify anything they want to do," Edwards said in a phone interview from Everett, Wash. "It's been used to justify a whole series of things that are not justifiable, ranging from the war in Iraq, to torture, to violation of the civil liberties of Americans, to illegal spying on Americans. Anyone who speaks out against these things is treated as unpatriotic. I also think it suggests that there's a fixed enemy that we can defeat with just a military campaign. I just don't think that's true."

There's lots to like about Edwards, as there is about all the candidates, though there are also questions.  Ken Baer pointed me to this series of essays from his main advisor on foreign policy, Michael Signer, and Anatol Lieven's response here.    In his response, Lieven argues an essential point.

Michael Signer's essay ["A City on a Hill", Issue 1] is yet another in an all-too-numerous list of recent works by center-left intellectuals arguing that America can recover from its present international difficulties by changing the style of its approach to the world without significantly changing its policies. He denounces the "vulgar exceptionalism" of the neoconservatives and the Bush Administration but does not realize that we are well past the days when a tonier, more agreeably phrased American exceptionalism could command real support from most of the rest of the world. Signer's argument reflects the fact that, in the end, by far the greater part of the Republican and Democratic establishments share the same basic myths of American nationalism concerning the righteousness of American power, the same commitment to U.S. supremacy in the world, and a common adherence to the same set of basic imperial strategies. And until progressive foreign policy thinkers confront these myths, they only will offer up alternative slogans or tactics but nothing resembling a foreign policy vision.

John Edwards is working to find his voice, and I respect him for that.  His campaign manager, David Bonior, was the savviest opponent of NAFTA and Fast Track and was a courageous opponent of AIPAC.  Prior to the betrayal on Iraq that created us in the open left, there was the betrayal of labor by its neoliberal leadership and Democrats like Tony Coehlo.  Edwards has people surrounding him that 'get' this betrayal, but he also has the same retreads that put us into Iraq giving him advice.  His instincts are better than that of any other major candidates, pushing against the war on terror frame.  I'm impressed and want to see and hear more, though I still have a deep sense of caution because of his embrace of somewhat clueless liberal internationalists.  Were he to consider Anatol Lieven's thinking, he would be even closer to taking the leap into transformational candidate.

Still, svery step he takes against the false war on terror metaphor warms my heart.



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Joe Trippi's influence can't hurt, either. (3.00 / 1)

Edwards is talking about raising taxes and calling B.S. on the "war on terror" in the same week. The Republicans are deathly afraid of him.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:17:56 AM EST

Of course (3.00 / 1)

Every poll (and it is early) that puts Dems against Reps has Edwards doing the best, and sometimes it's not even close.


The Word Smiths
by joshuaj83 on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:24:13 AM EST
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Prepare to be flamed, Matt.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:23:25 AM EST

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Because the anti-Obmama bias in this piece is glaring?  ;)


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:30:28 AM EST
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Thanks Matt.

I appreciate your concerns and the way you framed them in this post. We should continue to hold the campaign's feet to the fire, but in the meantime, Edwards's words this week are very very encouraging.

It's the first time I think since 9/11 that a major presidential candidate has come close to talking about the reality of our discourse in our current militarized media culture.


by adamterando on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:24:04 AM EST

Good post, Matt (3.00 / 2)

A lot of us support Edwards not just because of the pol he is but because of the pol he could become. I suspect that as he roles out his foreign policy over the next month, there will be much to like and some stuff that doesn't square with his purpose of restoring the country's moral stature. Time Magazine suggests he's gonna offer a comprehensive alternative to the Bush Doctrine--fingers crossed.


by david mizner on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:28:31 AM EST

I find this v. interesting: (3.00 / 2)

That a great deal of Edwards support (in my experience) is focused on Edwards-in-process. That is, there's a notion that Edwards is growing and maturing as a candidate before our very eyes. (Perhaps in some of the same ways that Dean did.) That he's either responding to us and our issues, or is on a somewhat parallel path.

So Edwards supporters and leaners don't find some of his historical errors--even the egregious ones--too deeply alarming, because they see that as an indication that he's come a long way since then, and is still moving forward in the right direction. People who don't respond to him, though, see him--using the same evidence--as flip-flopping or calculating or pandering.

This is mirrored with the Obama campaign, too. A great deal of the Obama support is predicated on the notion of Obama-as-transformer. The idea that Obama is a catalyst who won't merely act for the best within the current political reality, but who can fundamentally alter that reality. He'll transform the landscape so effectively that the current maps (and terms, and frames) aren't some all-important guide.

So Obama supporters and leaners don't find his 'moderate' or 'bipartisan' approach at all alarming, because they see these thing in the light of an altered political landscape which only Obama can full catalyze. People who don't respond to him, though, listen to the same stuff and hear the sounds of so-called 'centrism' and reflexive Democratic caution.


by BingoL on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:45:03 AM EST
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To be transformational (none / 0)

you have to be transformed.  That's what I think we're seeing with John Edwards.


by workingclassanna on Thu May 03, 2007 at 12:37:42 PM EST
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Edwards Takes to the Streets (3.00 / 2)

Edwards is putting his actions with his words. He is taking to the streets today in Portland, Oregon to participate in the Moveon.org demonstration against the veto in downtown Portland.


by cmpnwtr on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:33:13 AM EST

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Matt,

You should interview John Edwards for MYDD and ask him about your concerns point blank.  Ask him who he would appoint as Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, National Security Advisor.  

Since he is counting on support from internet progressives, I think he would have to accept an offer from you for an interview.


"ex nihilo nihil fit"
by Lassallean on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:34:09 AM EST

Something Edwards said that suggests... (3.00 / 2)

...where he's going and how he's developing:

"The rest of the world already knows we're strong, militarily and economically. They don't wonder about that. What they want to know about us is this: Do we care? Do we care about anyone else but ourselves?"

That was at a county fairgrounds in Iowa.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:36:30 AM EST

9/11 revealed something ugly (3.00 / 2)

It put American Exceptionalism on full display. And American Fear. As a nation too many of us just went into a crouch and just asked Daddy to make the Bogey Man go away. And then just let Daddy do it however he wanted no matter what the cost. Because 9/11 changed everything.

Except that it didn't. The correct response to horrible tragedy is not to simply close down the thought process to "Please make me safe" which is what simply accepting Afghan and Iraqi and American military troop deaths as simply the price you have to pay for the marginal amounts of perceived safety ended up being.

It didn't have to be this way and in other places it wasn't. The response in Britain to their train bombings?
http://www.werenotafraid.com/about.html

"We are not afraid to ride public transportation.

We are not afraid to walk down a crowded street.

We are not afraid of each other.

We are not afraid to say that terrorism in any form is never the answer.

We're not afraid is an outlet for the global community to speak out against the acts of terror that have struck London, Madrid, New York, Baghdad, Basra, Tikrit, Gaza, Tel-Aviv, Afghanistan, Bali, and against the atrocities occurring in cities around the world each and every day. It is a worldwide action for people not willing to be cowed by terrorism and fear mongering.

The historical response to these types of attacks has been a show of deadly force; we believe that there is a better way. We refuse to respond to aggression and hatred in kind. Instead, we who are not afraid will continue to live our lives the best way we know how. We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear."

Not exactly the sentiments of the typical War/Patriot Act supporter. Rather than take any amount of risk they simply surrendered their freedom and abandoned all moral responsibility for the people who would be killed in this war of choice.

(BTW I don't go quite so far as the I Am Not Afraid people. Mass murderers don't get free passes, but people who mocked Kerry for framing the pursuit of al-Qaeda as a Police Action against criminals rather than this amorphous War on Terror need to do some serious self-examination. That would have been the exact frame in which to retain and build confidence in America. If we had focused on the criminals and shown even the slightest real concern for civilian casualties rather than turning Afghanistan and Iraq into effective free-fire zones our position on the ground and around the world would be much more secure. Instead we let 9/11 give all agents licenses to kill.)


by Bruce Webb on Thu May 03, 2007 at 12:46:28 PM EST
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It should be pointed out that the We Are Not Afraid group is probably not the dominant element in Britain. Blair and his home secretaries from Blunkett onwards have assiduously tried to promote fear so as to get support for their objectionable policies, which is largely the context in which that website should be viewed. I think a lot of people still probably feel instinctive nervousness when they see a Pakistani wearing a backpack on the underground. It's not rational, it's racist and revolting, but I've heard from a lot of people that that kind of fear hits them at a primal level.

We Are Not Afraid is one of the responses of the left. A rejection of unthinking fear, mixed up with the British obsession with the stiff upper lip and combined with a fair bit of black humour (I don't think after a terrorist attack in America you'd be likely to get people pointing out that there's very little to worry about, as the terrorists would have been able to kill many more people had they been competent). There's also the issue of our relationship to America - we have a bit of a national inferiority complex and I think there was a wish to show that we could deal with it better.

None of this is to say their approach was wrong - I'm right with We Are Not Afraid on this - but it wasn't the only response and there are also issues of national psychology, timing and guilt over involvement in Iraq which go some way towards explaining this viewpoint.


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by Englishlefty on Thu May 03, 2007 at 03:09:52 PM EST
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I think all the Democratic candidates, Hillary included, have fundamentally liberal instincts.

That said, they're part of a consultant-driven culture that leans strongly towards triangulation and center-right positions.  If Democrats follow their liberal instincts, the "conventional wisdom" holds, they'll get crushed.  Instead, they must remain in the mainstream which says strong people use military force, etc., etc.

In the long view, this is an outgrowth of the post-Vietnam era and the political ineffectiveness of Carter.  In the short view, it's a reaction to two recent elections, 2002 and 2004, where the Republicans went all macho on national security and wiped the floor with the Dems.

I don't think Edwards, at heart, is necessarily any more liberal on foreign policy than the other candidates.  (And to large extent, it's a useless exercise to try and divine what's truly in a politician's heart, unless you know them personally.)  But what he seems to get, and others are still struggling to perceive, is the idea that the game has changed, and that the consultant-driven conventional wisdom is simply an artifact of the past.

The idea is that people are ready for a liberal message on foreign policy without casting the debate in the standard "force = strong, everything else = weak" mode of thinking.  The 2006 election is, obviously, a strong piece of evidence that people want a new approach.  And Edwards - whether it's truly reflective of his beliefs or whether he's simply shrewd about what the people want - seems to be the only major candidate who sees the opportunity to go there.

Edwards may end up winning in the end, but he also may play the Ned Lamont role - which is to say, when other politicians see that you can take a strong stance without turning into a pillar of salt, they're more likely to adopt that stance themselves.  We'll see if Edwards has any impact on the message of the other candidates as things move forward.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:41:47 AM EST

well said, Steve M (3.00 / 3)

The instinct at play may be more political than philosophical. Several months ago, when I just decided to support Edwards, I saw an interview in which he said that Iraq had altered the national secuirty debate, that no longer was pretending to be tough the first and last priority--something like that. This is a fact apparently not grasped by Obama and Clinton, who are still reading from the 2002 playbook. Of course, there are the political dynamics of the race as well. Unlike Obama and Clinton, Edwards doesn't feel the need to cover for potential general election weakness, so he can move left with relative impunity. Cause I've noticed something about presidential candidates: they want to be president and will do the things that they think will achieve that end. The political interests of Obama and Clinton are not aligned with those of progressives.


by david mizner on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:53:06 AM EST
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It sounds easy, but I think it takes a lot of... (3.00 / 2)

...skill and guts to run against the conventional wisdom. As Joe Trippi said, you see a lot more transactional candidates than transformational candidates.

First, you have to possess the communication skills -- both natural and refined -- to make your case to the people that the old way of thinking is obsolete (or was never very good in the first place) and it needs to change.

Second, you have to possess the courage to believe that you can successfully communicate a new, better way of thinking, and withstand the inevitable onslaught that will come from the other side, while remaining a viable candidate.

It's impossible to know whether some candidates don't want to run against the "war on terror," or they don't believe they're capable of doing so successfully (perhaps correctly), but neither seems to be a problem for Edwards.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:56:08 AM EST
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"Still, very step he takes against the false war on terror metaphor warms my heart."

Mine also. Among the top 3, his is a lone voice.


by littafi on Thu May 03, 2007 at 12:06:33 PM EST

Re: GWOT Fight: Edwards Imperialism (3.00 / 1)

Matt, here are just a few of the "basic imperial strategies" that I've heard Edwards talk about lately (in California and Michigan -- see my diary with the full Michigan JJ video):

1.  Prevent the Continuing Genocide in Darfur

2.  Fully Fund AIDS prevention in Africa (kids are getting HIV from their AIDS moms at birth because the moms aren't getting $4 pills.

3.  A massive 100s of millions of dollars program to educate the poor kids of the world.

If that's just "liberal imperialism," then sign me up.


Michigan For Edwards and Labor-Netroots for Edwards
by philgoblue on Thu May 03, 2007 at 12:20:49 PM EST

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Sorry to nitpick, but hundreds of millions of dollars for education in the third world is not that much in the scheme of things. When he's starts talking about billions and about cutting farm subsidies and tariffs on manufactured goods, then we'll know he's serious. Until then, it's not radically different from anything we've heard before.


Visit Forgotten Countries, my new foreign policy-based blog
by Englishlefty on Thu May 03, 2007 at 03:15:34 PM EST
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Its actually $5 billion (none / 0)

http://johnedwards.com/about/issues/pove rty/worldwide-poverty/


by okamichan13 on Thu May 03, 2007 at 09:57:08 PM EST
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And who if this is run of the mill (none / 0)

who else is saying this?


by okamichan13 on Thu May 03, 2007 at 09:57:53 PM EST
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Now we're getting somewhere. I can't say what is and isn't enough (although I'm sure there are plenty of people in the global justice movement or development agencies who can) but that certainly looks to be of the right order.

That number's beyond weak gestures to support platitudes, it's a number that can start to achieve things.


Visit Forgotten Countries, my new foreign policy-based blog
by Englishlefty on Fri May 04, 2007 at 12:56:10 PM EST
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A lot of what Philo points out (3.00 / 1)

is echoed in what Spigner says if you look through a lot of his blogging and white papers. From reading him, the impression I get is that he's not a DLC old guard policy pusher, but a internationalist that wants to see Democrats shitft the axis on the foreign policy debate.

I haven't been able to read the City on a Hill article yet (requires registration), but I do know he has changed some of his thinking in response to criticism by Lieven and others. And even a cursory google examination, or look through democracyarsenal, shows that Spigner is certianly no idealogue but does take America's role in the world seriously. He's a smart guy, has been very active in the Democratic party and is no Hanlon. I have a few links to some of his work at home which I'll try to add later.

Also, Edwards made it pretty clear, from the Newsweek article that talked about his WaPo op ed (where he repeatedly ignored his advisors taking out "I was wrong" from the op ed) that while I'm sure consultants will play a role, this isn't a consultant driven campaign.


by okamichan13 on Thu May 03, 2007 at 12:42:55 PM EST

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I'm intrigued by his direct use of Lakoff's word "frame."
It shows we've gotten to this point of very po-mo, universal p.r. sophistication that I find a bit freaky. I'm not saying he's wrong to assume such...
 
by sb on Thu May 03, 2007 at 12:50:57 PM EST

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That's actually what I like the most, as it assumes a very informed audience. He won't be speaking that way in 9 months, but for right now, he's speaking to the ones listening.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu May 03, 2007 at 01:59:36 PM EST
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EDWARDS SCRUBS 'WAR ON TERROR' FROM WEBSITE (none / 0)

In his latest attempts to attract support from the anti-war wing of the Democratic party, former Sen. John Edwards is criticizing the administration's use of the phrase "global war on terror," though the senator has used the same or similar constructions several times in his political career.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Edwards_sc rubs_war_on_terror_from_0503.html


by ChicagoDude on Thu May 03, 2007 at 02:54:34 PM EST

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In other ancient news, Mrs. O'Leary's cow was responsible for the Chicago fire.


by adamterando on Fri May 04, 2007 at 09:22:11 AM EST
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