A Few Thoughts on the Politics of Immigration Reform

On Wednesday of last week I had the opportunity to participate in a conference call with a number of leading proponents of immigration reform from this side of the aisle to talk about the politics and the status of the efforts to fundamentally rewrite the federal policies governing who can live in this country and who can become citizens. Those on the call included Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), who carries the title of Assistant to the Speaker; Simon Rosenberg, who heads NDN; and Clarissa Martinez De Castro, who heads The Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CCIR).

Here are a few thoughts on the call and the politics of immigration reform...

Coming into the call, I had a quite a number of qualms with both the substance of the current bill and how I perceive the Democrats on Capitol Hill to be approaching it. On the first half of the equation, the complexity of the current compromise (the point system, the different classes of visas, etc.) coupled with the arduous touchback provision (which requires the head of a household to "touchback" in the nation they came from before becoming citizens) led me to believe that such a bill would be unworkable on the grounds of difficulty of implementation and the potential unwillingness by immigrants to join the process. On the second half of the equation I was worried that Democrats have little to gain by going after a bill in the current Congress, that they got a better (though still very flawed bill) through the Senate during the previous Congress despite the chamber being more Republican than it is now, that they could and should be able to get a better bill with a Democratic President and an even more Democratic Congress. What's more, it seemed to me that the Democrats on Capitol Hill were playing this as a losing issue, not one where they generally enjoy the backing of a large majority of Americans (judging by recent polling, including a comprehensive poll conducted last week for CBS News and The New York Times).

The initial response from Congressman Becerra to a somewhat rambling inquiry by me along these lines did not really go far in assuaging my concerns. In fact, it in some ways reinforced them. While conceding that the current agreement in the Senate was more conservative than the bill passed through the Senate last Congress, Becerra explained that he believed Democrats had to be careful on this issue because it was one that cut both ways; though there were some Democrats who won at least in part because of their moderation on the issue (Gabby Giffords in Arizona and Ed Perlmutter in Colorado being two examples he brought up), others (Tammy Duckworth in Illinois being his prime example) lost at least in part because of being hit for supporting "amnesty". Frankly, this isn't a line of reason that I buy into -- that the Democrats left some seats on the table because of their stance on immigration. However Becerra did say that although this was not a perfect bill, it was a good place from which to begin the dialogue.

Martinez De Castro followed up by noting -- I think quite correctly -- that immigration did not prove to be the type of wedge issue that Republicans hoped it would be in 2006. Rosenberg spoke along the same lines, calling immigration "catastrophic" for the Republicans in 2006 because:

  1. There was an opportunity cost to talking so much (and spending so much on ads) about immigration reform and not as much about other key issues.
  2. It reinforced the Democratic talking point that Republicans in the 109th Congress were all talk and no action, a "Do Nothing Congress" as it were.
  3. It shifted the Hispanic vote decidedly towards the Democrats.

While these sentiments had led me to believe it's better to hold off until a future Congress rather than work towards a less than perfect bill during the current Congress, Rosenberg took a different tack. He noted, for instance, that by signing on to a path towards citizenship for those here illegally, conservative Republicans like Saxby Chambliss and Jon Kyl have already made it impossible for Republicans to attack the Democratic Party as pro-amnesty, one of their most often heard lines in recent years. What's more, the actions of Chambliss, Kyl and others of their ilk show a Republican Party in retreat on the issue, a party repudiating the very tactics it used in just the last election. To me these were fairly potent arguments on the political side.

Congressman Becerra jumped in again here, emphasizing that he indeed believed this to be a losing issue for Republicans and a winning issue for Democrats, which I wanted to hear affirmed during this call. Specifically, Becerra said that people aren't stupid. When, for instance, Republican Pete Wilson ran for reelection as Governor of California on a fairly anti-immigrant platform in 1994, the backlash was such that California moved from being a swing state to a strongly blue one almost overnight. Likewise, he said, the long-term outlook for Republicans on this issue is intensely bad.

Realistically, I'm still not sold on the current bill. I believe that this is a winning issue for the Democrats, both in the short term and the long term, and that Democrats in Congress need to understand this as they set about working to reform the current immigration policy. This means that they cannot cave on the issue or fall for the same tricks that others fell for when they believed the word of President Bush on compromises in the past.

At the same time, I am at least somewhat convinced that it is in the Democrats' interest to pass a reform measure during the current Congress rather than waiting until another Congress in the future. And, indeed, though the current compromise seems unworkable to me at this juncture, perhaps it can be cleaned up to the point at which it is good enough to be enacted into law.



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Re: A Few Thoughts on the Politics of Immigration (3.00 / 1)

What I want to know is, how is this bill not a repeat of the kick the can down the road approach by Ray-gun?


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Wed May 30, 2007 at 12:10:16 AM EST

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Good question. In my opinion, Kennedy's so-called "grand compromise" amnesty bill is not any better than the 1986 amnesty bill; it's far worse.

Existing immigration laws do not need to reformed again (i.e., destroyed); they need to be strengthened to serve the nation's interests.

I wonder why Democrats feel the need to rush through a flawed amnesty bill that benefits a petulant, lame duck "president" and his big business cronies. A Republican-controlled Legislature would not suffer similar reciprocity for a Democratic president.


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 07:35:16 AM EST
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I think the Dem insiders expect it to tear holes in the Republican coalition in 2008.  I find that naïve and full of hubris.

Even worse, insiders expect to fix any problems in the bill in the next congress.


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by Brian Watkins on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:21:20 PM EST
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Did anyone mention at all the exploitative issues that come with a guest-worker program? Do any of these Democrats realize that increasing the number of union workers is good for the progressive movement and good for the Democratic party?


by adamterando on Wed May 30, 2007 at 12:40:01 AM EST

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Let's not forget that this legislation includes a huge increase in the number of H1B visas issued each year.  Also, please understand that it is explicitly permitted for employers to lay off a US worker and replace him/her with a H1B visa holder at a lower salary. Its another place where the Dems have abandoned the middle class.

I find it stunning that no one is talking about this part of the bill.


by mwfolsom on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:07:56 AM EST

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I don't think that's true, but if I'm wrong I'd be iterested to see the part of the bill you're referencing.  I understand the number of work visas would be increased, but didn't think that the  process employers have to go through to sponsor such a visa was changed at all by this bill.  What you're describing would be a significant change in the process.


by HSTruman on Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:59:17 AM EST
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The problem with "not doing anything and wait until 09" is that ICE is starting to squeeze illegal immigrants out of their jobs and thousands are being deported monthly...If a bill were to fail, you'd see million of family being broken up and more children crying and some of the hispanics groups are under huge pressure to take a bill that would grant legal status to the majority of the undocumeneted population that currently lives in fear.

A bill now would take off the hands-cuff around their wrist..If the bill fails, it would be very depressing for the community and a lot of those folks will have to make plans on how to move further underground.

I'm also hearing that some folks are so frustrated that they are actually leaving and are too afraid that ICE might show up at their door to arrest them.

I personaly support the bill thats in the senate..It's not perfect and can get better, but hey, it's much better then last year bill if you look at the legalization plan...Last year bill sliced the undocumented population into 2 groups..If you only had 2 years here, you wopuld have to go home...There's at least 3 million under that column...do you really think those people would leave?..no way.


by JaeHood on Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:15:51 AM EST

Politics of Immigration Reform (3.00 / 1)

although this was not a perfect bill, it was a good place from which to begin the dialogue
 The last time we heard this one, it was the AARP and the prescription drug bill passed for the benefit of big pharma.  This is not a winner for anyone, IMO.  First, it is mostly the border states and California in particular that have the problem that they want the rest of the country to pay to fix.  Second, this will cost a lot of money at a time when we are being told we can't even afford national health care unless we pay for it out of our own pockets.


A new Congressional Budget Office analysis concludes the Senate's embattled immigration bill would raise government spending by as much as $126 billion over the next decade.

Law enforcement measures alone would necessitate the hiring of nearly 31,000 federal workers in the next five years, while the building and maintenance of 870 miles of fencing and vehicle barriers would cost $3.3 billion.
Newly legalized immigrants would claim nearly $50 billion in federal benefits such as the earned income and child tax credits, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Highlights of costs through 2016:

* arned income and child tax credits $24.5 billion
 * Medicaid $11.7 bilion
 * Social Security $5.2 billion
 * Medicare $3.7 billion
 * Food stamps  $2.4 billion

Additional costs estimated through 2011:

* 870 miles of border fence and vehicle barriers $3.3 billion
 * Detention facilities for 20,000 people $2.6 billion
 * Employment eligibility verification system $1.6 billion
 * 100 new helicopters and 250 powerboats $1.4 billion
 * 1,000 additional Border Patrol agents $800 million

Haliburton will probably build the new detention centers.  This country needs to stop immigration by squatters' rights and start an orderly process of bring people in.  Huge fines on employers who hire illegals will bring it all to a halt.  But then, where would our politicians get their campaign money from.  Legal immigrants, new citizens, and born here's should have a priority for services, resources, and rights.  


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by dkmich on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:40:10 AM EST

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Hey dkmich :)

The immigration bill may raise government spending, but it will also strengthen our economy and increase government revenue.  Immigrants, both directly and indirectly, support the federal benefits that you mentioned.

They support these programs directly by paying taxes.  Indirectly, they support these programs by increasing demand for American goods and services, which creates jobs and revenue.  Companies founded by first-generation immigrants employ hundreds of thousands of native-born immigrants and pay corporate taxes in many states.  This issue isn't as clear cut as "they're using all of our benefits."

Additional costs estimated through 2011:

* 870 miles of border fence and vehicle barriers $3.3 billion
 * Detention facilities for 20,000 people $2.6 billion
 * Employment eligibility verification system $1.6 billion
 * 100 new helicopters and 250 powerboats $1.4 billion
 * 1,000 additional Border Patrol agents $800 million

Increased spending on border enforcement (particularly in terms of a fence) is probably not going to be an efficient allocation of funding, but it's part of the deal, I guess.  I'm not too thrilled about it either.

-Nirmal


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by whogotthegravy on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:57:33 AM EST
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native-born immigrants

my bad, I meant native born workers, not native born immigrants.  it's late :-P


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by whogotthegravy on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:59:28 AM EST
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Because I oppose the way we handle immigration, I get a lot of flack and accusations flung at me about not like Latinos.  Let me state that I would live in Mexico instead of what use to the United States in a flash.  Second, low skilled workers are primarily service (and I include much of construction in that).  They don't make anything to export.  In addition, Bill Clinton and predecessors gave away manufacturing which is why we don't make TVs, appliances, telephones, or anything else anymore.  It is now also true of cars, the last union bastion left.  See Manfrom Middletowns diary.  If immigrants (legal or otherwise) did anything to increase our exports, we wouldn't be running record trade deficits that only trend higher and higher.  Trade, guest workers, and illegal immigrants are all about a redistribution of the wealth from the middle/working class to the top .05%.  Tax cuts were not enough. Reagan and Bill Clinton took care of eliminating/cutting programs for the poor.  The money they took went up and that wasn't enough.  Now, they want ours.  There is nothing ultruistic about this legislation just like there was nothing ultruistic about the prescription drug bill.  If there was, it would given priority to the families of people who are already here, and the drug bill would have mandated price quotes so that seniors could get more for their money.  This legislation like most is about pure self-interest and greed.  

I am a second generation American.  I have nothing against immigration.  Dearborn, MI is home to a huge number of Iraqi immigrants, and they have settled in with little to no fuss despite Bush's war. What I support is an immigration policy that works for the best interests of this country.  That could include and should include exiles from many countries besides Mexico and Central America.  Squatters rights is no way to do this and exploiting cheap labor at the expense of our working/middle class is wrong.  


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by dkmich on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:34:26 AM EST
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Well said.


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 07:28:19 AM EST
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Not to be snarky, but do you actually have a plan for what to do with the 12 million illegal immigrants who are in the country now?  Bringing those folks out of the shadows, whether through this bill or otherwise, is a necessary first step to deal with the current problem.  I understand misgivings about those folks then taking others' jobs, but it strikes me the best way to deal with that is to unionize those workers once their status has been normalized.

Ultimately, these folks are here and working now.  Unless you address their illegal status, they're only going to continue working for even less, which is the worst scenerio for american workers.  Absent some kind of status normalization, what's your proposal?


by HSTruman on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:04:00 AM EST
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It's a false choice to either round them up and deport them, or let them stay. The third option is self-deportation.

That is, through increased and continuous work-site enforcement efforts and penalties against illegal employers, the job magnet attracting and sustaining illegal workers will be shut off.

Without work, many illegals will leave, or self-deport, on their own over time. Moreover, most won't attempt to come here without prospects for employment.

Effective work-site enforcement by ICE at a Georgia meat packing plant in 2006 yielded the arrest and deportation of 90 percent of the illegal workers employed at the facility. As a result, the company raised wages and improved working conditions to attract local, mostly black workers who had been displaced by illegal workers.


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:52:25 AM EST
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I'm willing to bet most of those workers just went somewhere else instead. Whilst wages and job opportunities are so much better in the US than in Mexico, how do you turn off the tap? Punishing employers is a smart idea, but it doesn't end the process.


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by Englishlefty on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:28:20 AM EST
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I agree.  I'm all for enforcing the current laws, especially against employers, but to argue that that will effectively solve the problem strikes me as incredibly optimistic.  


by HSTruman on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:51:15 AM EST
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It's a significant part of solving the problem, because they come here not for the scenery or benefits; they come to get paid.

The reality is that the US hasn't seriously enforced current immigration laws against employers until last year. We don't know how effective it could be in the long-term, because the feds haven't tried it consistently. ICE needs more people and enforcement augmentation through agreements with state and local authorities.

Additionally, we need to promote foreign investment that values the economic security of American workers, while helping poor or labor abundant countries build responsible, sustainable economies that support their citizens where they live, so that they do not have to leave their home for better wages. This will help discourage economic policies, like those in Mexico, that rely on the remittances from its exported citizens.


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 11:21:08 AM EST
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I don't disagree with your suggestions.  I just don't understand how they're incompatable with the type of immigration reform that's being proposed.    


by HSTruman on Wed May 30, 2007 at 11:32:43 AM EST
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Amnesty. The approach I'm suggesting doesn't change their status as the proposed Z VISA does; they're still illegal.

With the attrition through enforcement approach, however, employers have a huge disincentive to hire illegals. Without jobs, illegals will return to their country of origin over time.


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 12:03:32 PM EST
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I think you're overstating the effect that policing employers will have on those currently here -- not least of all because many of the illegal immigrants that currently reside in the US are part of split families that include US citizens.  Also, the costs associated with policing employers to the degree you're describing would be astronomical.  

Think about it -- many of the people who are here now risked death to sneak into the United States in the hope that they could find an extremely low paying menial job.  In that context, do you really think that the possibility of a crackdown on employers is going to dissuade folks from crossing the border?  From my vantage point, that seems unlikely.  


by HSTruman on Wed May 30, 2007 at 12:26:09 PM EST
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Yes. Why would someone risk death to sneak into the US without the prospect of employment? Most illegals are employed in highly visible occupational categories (construction, retail, hospitality, etc.).

The question is not so much about whether it will work, but whether the federal government has the political will to go after illegal employers.


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 12:40:10 PM EST
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I think you're assuming quite a bit by stating that it will certainly work.  First, if there are no jobs where the individual currently resides and there is even a chance of a job in the US, I doubt that the flood of illegal immigrants will stop.  Objective, those folks aren't getting handed plum jobs now and yet the tide continues.

Moreover, how do you propose enforcement as far reaching as would be necessary to make clear to potential illegal immigrants that there are no jobs available?  You state that most illegal workers are in highly visible fields.  Does that mean you would focus on potential illegal workers by engaging in racial profiling?  If so, I think you'll run into both constitutional, political, and moral issues.  Otherwise, are you really proposing that we spend billions more dollars on enforcement?  Because that's what it will take to do what you're advocating for.

Personally, I'd rather we focus on creating more new jobs that pay more than the ones you're talking about.  But that's just me.


by HSTruman on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:37:14 PM EST
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I did not intend to suggest racial profiling; however, I can understand how one might perceive that wrong impression.

"Highly visible occupational categories" was a response to your concern about the cost associated with policing employers to the degree that I describe.

My point was that illegal employers who employ illegal workers typically operate out of brick and mortar facilities, which makes it less costly to locate and investigate them, unlike this illegal employer who had operated out of an apartment in Woodbridge Va.


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:01:09 PM EST
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You turn off the tap by increasing fines (in the tens of millions, rather than pennies on the dollars as it exists today) and mandatory jail times for illegal employers who repeat offenses. You make the risk of hiring illegals greater than the benefit of  cheap labor benefit.

ICE needs to do this a few times before employers in construction, landscaping, retail, light-manufacturing, and services get the message.


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 11:13:43 AM EST
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But we need a government with the political will to actually do it.  Only when criminal employers who are violating our immigration laws fear being caught and punished will we see improvement.  

Then it's time to pass a more humane and reasonable immigration law.  But not until then.  Any law passed now is just an attack on the middle class by corporate owned congressmen.


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by Brian Watkins on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:33:46 PM EST
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Amen!


by fafnir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:04:19 PM EST
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For want of a better word, giving them "amnesty" was already done once.  Now, we have 12 million more.  Insanity is........   I don't think those that are here illegally should be "locked up".  That's as dumb as declaring war on and attempting to lock up 15 million illegal drug users. I think we need to go after employers and fine them big time.  If we dry up the jobs, they won't come.  Next, I think services such as education, non-emergency health care, housing assistance etc. need to be put off limits to anyone who isn't here legally.  When we have black minorities rotting in jails for drugs, young black boys dying from lack of dental care, and how many millions of Americans uninsured, how can we reconcile the expense of providing these entitlements to non-legals.  Last but not least, we need to review which immigrants this country wants, and then fix the freaking system so people can get in legally, and we can stop this last corporate grab disquised as human rights.  Both sides demonize this issue.  If you oppose "amnesty", you must be a bigot.  If you support "amnesty", you hate America.  Divide and conquer is how corporations and cronies keep fucking us over.  


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by dkmich on Thu May 31, 2007 at 06:17:31 AM EST
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Immigration Reform (none / 0)

Estimated number of Illegal Immigrants by state  

Follow the money
by dkmich on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:49:03 AM EST

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This is going to be the Karl Rove "gotcha" question of the 2008 Presidential debates.  I suspect that the Radical Right is working on phrasing some "heads I win; tails you lose" questions for the Dem candidates right now.  I hope the Dems are working on how to counteract those questions, because they are going to be tough.

sPh


by sphealey on Wed May 30, 2007 at 07:48:59 AM EST

Memo to Democrats (and Republicans) (none / 0)

The American people are strongly "pro-amnesty"...look at the frackin' polls!!!!


by peaceprogress on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:09:14 AM EST

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Just to comment on the politics  and not the present Senate bill- which will undergo lots of changes anyway.

For all the GOP talk about their anti-immigrant base, a lot of that is bull. I helped Chris Cannon(R-UT) in his last 2 primaries. Now it's true being from an LDS District (Provo), Rep. Cannon's race had a slightly different flavor from a normal GOP primary, but his opponents were LDS as well. Cannon is a pro-immigrant MC- the Cannon-Berman Bills for the DREAM Act , AgJobs, etc and has drawn vicious nativist opposition from the Tancredo wing of the GOP. In '06, Cannon only got 48% at the District GOP Convention. He had Tancredo and Bay Buchanan all campaigning against him- a very well funded campaign against him. but he was renominated both times. So even in a very conservative district, GOP voters are not that out of sync with what the national polls show. No pro-immigrant Republicanhas lost, but some of the biggest nativist blowhards like Rep. J. D. Hayworth (AZ) lost their otherwise safe seats last year.

Dems are right to get something done- on both border security as well as normalization of status


by Skipster on Wed May 30, 2007 at 11:29:11 AM EST


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