Third Way and Branding

So Chris has been doing a series of posts on the think tank Third Way, a group that offers policy ideas and talking points to centrist Democratic Senators.  I have conflicting information on how influential they really are, but it is instructive to watch the moderates and the centrists in the Democratic Party try to modify their branding.  So I'm going to wade into the intra-party debate.

In Chris's last post, he printed an email from a Third Way rep claiming that Third Way doesn't mean triangulating between the left and the right but is meant to signify the third great progressive era, after the turn of the 20th century and the New Deal.  I found this explanation of the name unsatisfying. Based on the literature of the group, the bio of its President, and the origin of the term itself, it seems very unlikely that what the Third Way rep wrote to Chris is accurate. Here are some facts which give me pause.

  • Jonathan Cowan, Third Way's President, founded a group called Americans for Gun Safety that promised to bring a new voice to a debate dominated for too long "by the far left and far right". Triangulating against the left has been a core fundraising strategy for Cowan for years, in fact. For instance... 

  • Cowan previously founded a Gen X-focused group in 1992 that called for the privatization of Social Security and was funded in part by third party Presidential candidate Ross Perot.  (There's a whole lot more here, including Cowan in a backwards baseball cap grabbing media attention and an anti-boomer manifesto called Revolution X).

  • Third Way transparently and dishonestly used polling data to misrepresent the electorate as whiter, more male, and richer than it really is. Polling the electorate in 2006 and comparing it to 2004 is just misleading, since a Presidential electorate is always wider than a midterm. Moreoever, Third Way's economic 'analysis' on middle class is similarly fraudulent. They misrepresent statistics, change measurement definitions to suit their conclusions, and use standard right-wing spin to hide wealth inequality. If your political statistics and economic work has no analytical rigor and is coming from a political group designed to push certain policies, then if the work is tilted against the middle class, it's hard to see that as anything but right-wing.

  • Third Way is a term rooted in the synthesis between the left and the right, and is not a historical description of a third great wave of progressivism. I have never heard of the progressive era referred to as 'the first way', or the New Deal era referred to as the 'second way'. Have you?

  • Here's Third Way's prospectus from 2004.

    Progressive centrism is not about splitting the difference between right and left.  Rather, it is a philosophy that favors government regulation to ensure fairness but opposes interference in private lives; it is a "third choice" that replaces the left's defense of big government and the right's frenzy to dismantle government.

    Bashing big government and the left is fairly triangulationistic, and that's the kind of rhetoric that flows through all of Third Way's work right alongside the rhetoric bragging about bringing progressivism into the 21st century.

All of this is to say that I'm glad Third Way is trying to shift their branding away from hating on the left.  But come on.  Don't try to tell us Third Way doesn't mean what everyone knows it means. That's just a naked admission that your brand is dead.



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Re: Third Way and Branding (none / 0)

I just wanted to remind people, as I noted in an early Chris Bowers thread, that a "senior advisor" to Third Way is Nancy Jacobson, a Democratic fundraiser and the wife of pollster Mark Penn, who has been talked about here before.  She has strong ties to the DLC and the Clintons.

Also, Third Way has been accused of revisionism and eradicating evidence of its previous support for the Iraq war from its website.


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by Anthony de Jesus on Sat May 26, 2007 at 08:58:08 AM EST

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My question is concerning this article from them:

http://www.third-way.com/data/product/fi le/78/Third_Way_Gay_Insights_Memo.pdf

How could someone right that article and NOT even mention marriage?????  It says to me either lack of honesty, or it's propaganda.  Maybe they didn't hear about Massachusetts and Canada, or maybe those two  governments are too liberal for Third Way?


by Andre on Sat May 26, 2007 at 09:27:46 AM EST

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I wrote a brilliant, funny, scholarly,  insightful response to this last night ... before you posted it. But all of that genius was erase, so I'm gonna descend to this:

If our goal is to retake the Democratic Party--a pretty big job, obviously--would taking over the Third Way (and making it really 'A Strategy Center for Progressives')a good first step? Possible? Obviously it's not run with elected positions, so how do people get chosen for the board and the management team? Can we at least pressure the people on the board, helpfully listed on the website?

Man, that was just pure brilliance last night.


by BingoL on Sat May 26, 2007 at 09:34:00 AM EST

Two easy question for you. (none / 0)

Who do you know?

How much money do you have?


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by dk2 on Sat May 26, 2007 at 10:51:41 AM EST
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Third Way is not part of the Democratic Party. Wasting time trying to take them over would not be a good step and impossible. Third Way needs to be properly viewed as the enemy and treated accordingly.


by Bob Brigham on Sat May 26, 2007 at 11:34:37 AM EST
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You must have a lot of "enemies" and I shudder to think what "treat accordingly" means.  I would argue that a large majority of Democrats believe in the idea behind Third Way- which is that is neither party is 100% right or wrong everytime.  In my opinion, this simple acknowledgment would make someone a Third Wayer.  The notion that one side knows all the answers is troublesome and in my opinion, immature and for the pragmatists out there, ineffective.  Just using the word enemies is scary.  How about thinking about those who disagree (and act in good faith; for those acting in bad faith, I would suggest ignoring them or calling them out if it gets out of hand) as people who need to be convinced through debate instead of people who need to be conquered (which you will never do).  It's not a war, it's a Democracy.

         


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by mboehm on Sat May 26, 2007 at 02:58:49 PM EST
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I would argue that even using the term "big government" is a right-wing frame, which says a lot to me about this group.  It's the right wing which says that the left's "big government" interferes in private lives (to quote the Third Way's words), while the right-wing goes about doing just that under another name.


by Aunt Martha on Sat May 26, 2007 at 09:42:15 AM EST

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Yep.  "big government" is an entity that exists in opposition to the little guy.  It's their way of saying that 'big government' is equally dangerous as 'big buisness'


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by Valatan on Sat May 26, 2007 at 03:32:58 PM EST
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The difference between the Third Way and the Progressive Left is this:

Third Way has abandoned the social market solution to capitalism while the Progressive Left has not.  A fuller explanation of what I mean by this statement will be available in my forthcoming book: "Why the American Public Knows Nothing About History and Economics, and Continues to Vote Based on Relatively Meaningless, Distracting, and Complacent Bourgeois Issues Like Abortion, Gun Control and Gay Marriage."

As far as the "oooh perdy shiny things" social issues are concerned, Third Way is most definitely triangulistic.  Those voters who find this triangulation decisive to their votes are kindly invited to exercise their right to an abortion as often as possible.


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by Lassallean on Sat May 26, 2007 at 10:22:03 AM EST

Excuse me (none / 0)

but that sound like a glossy soundbite.

Third way to sound more like lets move to the middle but not tell them we are moving to the middle and by the time they figure it out, it will be to late, and we will have a total take over as a One Party govenment.


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by dk2 on Sat May 26, 2007 at 10:54:14 AM EST
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That's just a naked admission that your brand is dead

Or, it's a dishonest attempt to tell one set of persons (progressive bloggers) one thing (we're the third wave of progressives!), and another set of persons (business interests), something different (we're not DFH's!).


by pontificator on Sat May 26, 2007 at 10:39:11 AM EST

Or is is just (none / 0)

smoke screening, so noone knows for sure while they gain more control?


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by dk2 on Sat May 26, 2007 at 10:55:10 AM EST
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Yeah, so they're dishonest as well as triangulators. Why am I not surprised?


by MassEyesandEars on Sat May 26, 2007 at 10:42:56 AM EST

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Can you point me to a Mydd response to the Third Way Response to the TAPPED post?


by MNPundit on Sat May 26, 2007 at 04:35:45 PM EST

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Right on Matt. That historical description sounded like dissembling, thanks for breaking it down.

Also I am so using "triangulationistic."


by Dan Ancona on Sat May 26, 2007 at 07:03:37 PM EST


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