Welcome to the Club, Millenials

So this Obama MySpace profile screw-up is interesting.  I have a few calls in to the campaign to get their side, since most of what we know is coming from Micah Sifrey's excellent article at Techpresident.  I expect it'll probably generate some TV coverage, just because it's such a fresh angle on campaigns.

The narrative is as follows.  A volunteer named Joe Anthony started an unofficial MySpace page for Obama in 2004.  When the Presidential campaign started up, Chris Hughes (who co-founded Facebook) and Scott Goodstein, both of whom worked for the Obama campaign, reached out to Anthony and began working with him.  Anthony was fine at first, but it became more and more work to manage the page.  On the flip side, the Obama people became more concerned about control.  Eventually, the Obama people asked to purchase the page, Anthony gave them a price of $39,000.  Instead of negotiating a price, the Obama campaign claimed they did not have the money, accused Anthony of seeking a 'big pay day' and went to MySpace management and seized the page directly, losing 160,000 MySpace friends in the process.  Anthony is now embittered and speaking out about the campaign's treatment of him.

I don't know what happened on the campaign side.  It sounds like wires were crossed.  It's possible that the internet department actually didn't have the money in its budget, which is sad in terms of the campaign priorities.  It's possible that Chris or Scott was promising something without authority, or that someone is just lying.  Or maybe Joe Rospars or David Axelrod got involved and just demanded that the campaign control the page and acted as if the campaign was being blackmailed.  Regardless, it seems like there is a tone at work here, a tone that comes from the top.  

There is nothing unusual about such a conflict between the open world of Joe Anthony and the gatekeeping world of David Axelrod.  The open world is fairly relaxed and encourages sharing control and power with all stakeholders.  The gatekeeper world is all about control and turning everyone into a signholder.  The likely scenario here is that the Obama internet team promoted the unofficial page because it was cool and relaxed, and then adult supervision scared them into believing they needed control.  They put pressure on Anthony, who valued his own work.  The Obama campaign couldn't both stomach the need for control and the real moral need to value the work done by Anthony, and so it appears the campaign just lied and threatened him.  This is standard Democratic politics, only when you put it on the internet, it looks really bad.

I don't really know that this episode is particularly important in the context of who will win in 2008, but it is interesting.  This is the exact definition of a campaign treating people like an ATM.  And this brings me back to the movement that's being created, because while this seems like a small episode, it's actually events like this that in some ways help form our movement.  Joe Anthony will never forget this, and it's pretty obvious he's good at leading large groups of people.  Anthony will never trust campaign operatives again, and hopefully, he'll plug into the Democratic Party somewhere else.  

Jonathan Chait yesterday wrote about how the blogosphere was formed in the crucible of 2000.  That's not quite right.  The open left was formed in the wake of a series of events, starting with the impeachment (Moveon) and continuing probably until 2008.  The blogosphere is one of the manifestations of the open left, and it's a response to the institutional failure of the Democratic and media leadership to lead.  For some of us, like for Anthony in 2008, the way the 2004 campaigns operated were one of these shocks.

The Kerry campaign was a significant personal experience for many of us coming into politics for the first time from other professions.  It was there that we learned how unprofessional, arrogant, top-down, and dishonest most parts of the Democratic Party really were.  That experience was deeply embittering, especially because the Dean campaign had a much freer model of politics in terms of allowing citizens space to grow and wield power and the Kerry campaign did not.  

Obama is a symbol of what politics could be, which is why he's bringing in huge crowds, because the public wants a different type of politics and is willing to pay for it and support it with time, effort, and sweat.  We were a vanguard, and we had this moment too, in 1998, 2000, 2002, or 2004.  But like our experience of being rebuffed by a hostile Democratic Party, this new generation of Obama supporters is smashing smack dab into the old structures of power.  It's a bit ironic that the people they are smashing into are professionals from the Dean campaign, those who ran the DNC from 2005 onward.  But really, this is about architecture, not personality, and the person who bears responsibility for sitting atop a throne and hating on the activists who want to do things for him is Barack Obama, and to  a lesser extent, David Axelrod.

I've been criticizing Obama for several years, and the reason is because of I sense he surrounds himself with people who have this hostility to participation in politics.  I remember being screwed over by Democrats, consistently, from 2003 until I came to MyDD as an independent blogger.  I remember what it's like to be taken for granted, to be insulted, to be ripped off, to be lied to.  Its not a good thing, not just on a personal level, but on a structural level.  It's not a sustainable model of politics because it drives leaders like Joe Anthony away.  And fundamentally, we cannot win as a progressive movement until we stop this nonsense and actually buy into progressive structures that treat people well and act professionally.  I feel bad for the people in the Obama campaign who went through this.  They are under untenable pressure from higher-ups who don't respect them, and they don't have the leverage to really wield power.  I feel bad for Anthony, who went through what a lot of us went through over the last few years.  Eating shit is never fun.

My sense though is that 2008 is going to see a lot more of this kind of shoddy treatment of stakeholders.  A huge wave of new people are going to come into politics over the next few years, and they are going to smash into the same barriers we smashed into in 2002 and 2004.  Some of the leaders are going to feel betrayed, like we felt betrayed, and hopefully, they will join us in building a more people-powered movement that doesn't rely on media-driven cults of personality and top-down operators who lie, smear, and cheat.

Democratic campaigns cannot and should not be run based on lies and threats.  This is the old system.  I hope Obama takes some time to reassess his campaign and the way he interacts with supporters.  This should be a warning flag.



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Re: Welcome to the Club, Millenials (none / 0)

Great post, Matt!

I really hope that the Obama campaign makes good on this one, and wrote them a note saying that.


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by Go Vegetarian on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:12:44 PM EST

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I really think this incident is getting blown wildly out of proportion. $39,000 is an absurdly high number, and frankly, as someone who's sacrificed a lot of money to help out on campaigns, it's disheartening we think that Anthony should get paid that sum. It's a lot of money, and he was squatting Obama's name to begin with. Furthermore, as anyone familiar with MySpace can tell you, those 160,000 hardly constitute a usable list. Did Obama handle this perfectly? Definitely not. The campaign should have given Anthony 10k. But to make Anthony a martyr would be a mistkae.


by Gibreel111 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:15:22 PM EST

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That's the point.  Not the $39k price, but that they a) should have been fair in a negotiation and worked with him as a partner to achieve some fairness, and b) that they shouldn't have done the end-run with the big boys at myspace in the place of at least attempting to work as a partner.

Why?  Because when someone says "you are the campaign"  and "new politics", they have to mean it and not use a big corporation to assist in the bullying of a willing activist.

Everything in campaigns is overblown, and this will be too most likley (almost inherently given it is such a little thing).  But the response from the campaign at this point will be telling.


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by Orlando on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:23:05 PM EST
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Not to mention, this is going to get overblown because it's really the first dirt that can be pinned on Obama.  He kind of skirted the Geffen comments and the Hillary ad, but this directly involves his campaign's decision making abilities.


by Conquest on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:27:17 PM EST
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Not to mention, this is going to get overblown because it's really the first dirt that can be pinned on Obama.

What I'm hearing here is that people are so desperate to reduce Obama's shine that they'll take any tiny perceived slight they can get.


by Silent sound on Wed May 02, 2007 at 04:13:43 PM EST
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But the $39,000 asking price is a big part of the story. From my experience, I don't think Anthony's list or work is worth anything close to that--just like Shrum and Axelrod's work isn't worth nearly what they're paid. If we want to make Democratic campaigns more efficacious, supporting a guy asking a campaign 39k for a Myspace list is not the way to do it.

To put that issue aside for a moment, I think it's important to understand how crazy and jam packed a presidential campaign can be. Obama didn't handle this perfectly, but the failure might very well be nothing more than a sign of overwork. It's a campaign--phone calls don't get returned, emails get sent to the wrong people, etc. Again, Obama's behavior is far from perfect here. But my fundamental point is that, in the litany of Democratic campaign offenses, this falls near the bottom.

Finally, just because campaigns are filled with overblown events at this point does not mean we are somehow required to do the same.


by Gibreel111 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:33:01 PM EST
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Umm, so they get overworked during the campaign only to take a vacation in the White House?  I think if you can't coordinate a campaign for president, how in the heck are you going to run the United States Government?


by Conquest on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:36:10 PM EST
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"From my experience, I don't think Anthony's list or work is worth anything close to that--just like Shrum and Axelrod's work isn't worth nearly what they're paid."

And yet Axelrod does get paid doesn't he?


by adamterando on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:42:10 PM EST
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Axelrod was never a volunteer.  Of course he gets paid.  It's not at all the same.  And the reason Joe Anthony had so many Friends on his MySpace site was Barack Obama's popularity, not Joe Anthony's.  He didn't do anything worth anything close to what he was asking for.  (I do think that the campaign should have made a counter offer, though, such as $5,000, just for the effort and for the PR.)


by CeeCee34 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:39:00 PM EST
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Heck if I had run that myspace page I'd settle for dinner with Obama, and let the campaign keep their money.


by enarjay on Wed May 02, 2007 at 04:24:32 PM EST
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And so we should emulate that?  


by Gibreel111 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:29:17 PM EST
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Re: Welcome to the Club, Millenials (none / 0)

My point is that they're all overpaid.


by adamterando on Wed May 02, 2007 at 04:03:24 PM EST
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How can you say that this is overblown?  It goes directly to the heart and essence of the blogging community, which is why every known blogger is involved in this story with diaries.  It may be overblown in the general sense of the rest of the population, but it is a big thing to blogs and the folks running blogs.  It is probably being discussed on every progressive/liberal/Democratic blog in the country.  


by georgep on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:44:28 PM EST
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$39,000 is cheap (none / 0)

Any way you calculate it, it's cheap.

What would they have had to pay someone, purely on an hourly basis, to do the work Anthony had done?

Much more than that.

Another way to view pricing is not by hourly wage for professional service rendered but in terms of value.  That is, what is the value to the buyer of the product?  That calculation inclues what the asset is wiorth in terms of uts future revenue and labor saving cost potential.

If you monetize the value, these are small dollar donors worth much more than 39k, and also campaign volunteers who provide time/labor for free.  Plus, the cost of generating a new list of such volunteers/donors is much more than 39k.

Plus, Obama's whole brand is about being a candidate of the pee-puhl.  The small dollar fundraising cost of his tarnished brand following the campaign's attempt to strongarm this guy will cost more than the 39k, even assuming they make this right and fix it, like, right now.

No matter how you slice it, 39k was cheap cheap cheap.


by Pachacutec on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:48:52 PM EST
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I disagree (none / 0)

Because most of the value added was just in claiming the correct URL.  That's cybersquatting.  What is the value that he added to that, other than approving all the friends who sought to be added?


by Adam B on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:56:03 PM EST
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Social networks have value.  He built the list.  What to people pay for prequalified, opt in mailing lists?

That's not cyber squatting, which is a very narrow and incorrect way of viewing this.  He did not just buy a url and do nothing with it.  He built something powerful, a network, by the way, outside of its revenue potential and history, which generated lots of great free press and publicity for Obama that he'd have to pay a helluva lot to buy himself.


by Pachacutec on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:58:15 PM EST
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He built the list because it was in the right place.  Had he done it from www.myspace.com/barackobamafans, with the same content, how large would it have gotten?

The network has value, real value. I'm just questioning how much his work generated, vs. "location, location, location".


by Adam B on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:10:43 PM EST
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How much of the network grew because of anything he didn't do?  He create the trust hub and provided content.


by Pachacutec on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:34:12 PM EST
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If what he was doing was worth next to nothing, why did they work so much with him on it? Why didn't they approach him early on, thank him for his work, and ask to take it over?


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by clarkent on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:03:18 PM EST
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They should have, and I'm sure they wish they did.


by CeeCee34 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:40:47 PM EST
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By that logic, a regular campaign staffer shouldn't get paid to tend/run the Obama Myspace page because the URL does all the work?


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by Mike Connery on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:39:54 PM EST
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You can be sure they aren't going to pay any $10,000 per month, which is what Joe Anthony was asking.


by CeeCee34 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:43:05 PM EST
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Re: I disagree (none / 0)

No, he should get paid for the work he does, but it's not worth $55/hr.


by Adam B on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:43:10 PM EST
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Believe it or not, for this kind of sales/marketing campaign, with its high ROI,$55 an hour is very cheap.

We undervalue our labor, time , expertise and trust networks by failing to recognize this.


by Pachacutec on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:36:48 PM EST
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$55/hour is not the correct way to look at it, and people are making a false analogy by extrapolating that number out.

He's getting paid a project fee for services rendered and transfer of ownership of a entity with future value.  

I've talked to a buddy of mine who worked on campaigns in 2006 doing MySpace work.  $49,000 for a profile with 160,000 friends is dirt cheap at the market rate - whether that market is electoral campaigns or corporate campaigns.


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by Mike Connery on Wed May 02, 2007 at 04:25:59 PM EST
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Yup.


by Pachacutec on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:02:08 PM EST
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I used the figure because that seems to be how he did it.  Anthony said, "I considered the time I had put into it from January 1st of this year, not counting the previous two years. It was about $39,000," after noting "Anthony's request to be compensated for all the work he was putting into Obama's Myspace page--anywhere from five to ten hours a day--was the final straw, apparently," from which I figured 8 hours a day for ninety days.

How would you evaluate this?


by Adam B on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:47:52 PM EST
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$39,000 is actually incredibly low-balling it for what corporations and even other candidates pay for people to create MySpace pages.  160,000 friends is unheard of.  Every person I know who has worked for a campaign or corporation building social networking pages says say.  And don't forget that the campaign asked for a number from Anthony.  He didn't make the first move to monetize this, they did.


Youth to Power
by Mike Connery on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:36:01 PM EST
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no. (none / 0)

According to the article:
As his volunteer workload grew to all hours, Anthony decided to email the Obama campaign asking to be paid in some way for his time.

by Adam B on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:44:18 PM EST
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IT's still a low-ball figure no matter how you calculate it - market rate for  political lists or pay rate for social network consulting and page construction.


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by Mike Connery on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:26:16 PM EST
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No, the list is not worth 39k on any market. And yes, I  have considerable experience in this kind of thing.


by Gibreel111 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:32:09 PM EST
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private sector? (none / 0)

I strongly doubt it.  Just because exosting industrty benchmarks in current politics don't value this stuff, doesn't mean it's being correctly valued, which is kind of the point.


by Pachacutec on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:38:05 PM EST
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Re: private sector? (none / 0)

The information specifically available on a MySpace friends list is not worth 39k--even with 160k members.


by Gibreel111 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:56:57 PM EST
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ROOKIE BLUNDERS (1.00 / 1)

What a foolish decision on Obama's part.  Paying this man for his work is not only the right thing to do, it's also the smart thing to do.  Further, it's pennies on the dollar.

MySpaceGate is just the latest in a series of rookie mistakes by Obama including snubbing the Congressional Black Caucus as well as his weak debate performance.    

Obama is a talented guy.  However, if these blunders are any indication, his decision making process doesn't seem to rise to the level that is required of a President.


by ChicagoDude on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:16:05 PM EST

Re: Welcome to the Club, Millenials (none / 0)

This is OT but someone in the comments section of BloggingHeadsTV just called Chris Bowers a dangerous communist.


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by emerald on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:18:38 PM EST

Better a dangerous one (none / 0)

than a toothless one.


by Ugluks Flea on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:12:34 PM EST
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Personally, I don't think $49,000 is a lot of money for 2 years of work, particularly for hte results this guy got.  But that's a matter of my opinion, and what everyone is going to fight over - was the guy being crazy or what?

I think Matt just hit it on the head though - the real takeaway here isn't the money, it's the fact this discussion even happened.  Really, two competing forces came to a head here.  I have this nagging feeling that pushing the number of donors and supporters for their Q1 numbers is about to bite them in the ass.


by Conquest on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:26:04 PM EST

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Well, I still think this particular instance is entirely salvageable by the Obama campaign--and that Anthonly will be back on board by the weekend.

But the larger question is what's interesting. The elite vs. the masses appears inevitable, and infinitely scaleable. Even on the blogs--and this blog--these feelings emerge pretty regularly.

So what's the first step in the right direction? If I were a campaign, I'd be worried--in a cold-hearted, wanna win sorta way--that I'd stumble over this very same obstacle. I wouldn't want the Joe Anthonys to have too much power if they weren't inside my structure. But I also wouldn't want to anger or alienate them, as they're really incredibly resourceful and powerful.

I guess I'd try to coopt like crazy. (Which might be, in part, what the Edwards campaign was trying by hiring the bloggers. And the lesson there is that bringing powerful activists and voices inside your structure has its own dangers ...)

I suppose my only other idea would be to hire a sort campaign ombudsman. Someone whose sole purpose is to hear supporter complaints, and resolve them. I don't think the story here is this particular case, with Anthony and Obama, but it illustrates the problem pretty well.

If Obama himself--advised by the 'supporter ombudsman'--took fifteen minutes, called Anthony and said, "My lawyers are crawling up my butt about this myspace thing. You've been a tremendous supporter, but I don't know what to do, so I was hoping we could brainstorm some solutions." Do you imagine that Anthony, chatting with the Next President of the United States, wouldn't have done pretty much whatever?

I guess what I'm saying is, an effective solution to this tension won't even shift real power from the hierarchists to the open-sourcers. It'll merely show a little respect, do a little pandering, let the attention flow both ways and ta da! Everyone happier.


by BingoL on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:27:40 PM EST

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I don't know, Matt.

Thinking long term, everything about this makes me uneasy.

I question whether it's good to set a precedent where these unofficial pages on facebook and myspace become the object of bidding wars.  I mean how do you really go about valuing this sort of thing, and is it really good to create a situation in which campaigns go around and pay for 10 or 20 of these groups each cycle?

That having been said, I think that the real damage here is that the Obama campaign went in a way that plays into the theme that Obama is aloof and authoritarian.  

By going in an just locking down the page, they've created the impression that they feel they have the right to absolute control over their message.  I'm not sure that's realistic in the internet era.

Asking that a disclaimer be put up saying this group is unoffical, or something else similiar to indicate that this isn't something connected with the campaign would have been reasonable.  By going in and asking for the page to be locked down, Obama look like he's been studying at the Richard Dailey School of Public Relations.

This is not an isolated incident.  Obama consistently refuses to participate in events that the other candidates are going to.  Whether it's the debate in Nevada, or the very late decision to participate in the SEIU's Walk a Day in My Shoes, where Sen. Obama has at long last deemed it worthy that he see how the other half lives and works after holding out when Clinton, Edwards, and Dodd had all agreed.

It's as though he feels that he is entitled to become the next president of the United States.  And that rather than this being about the people struggling to make a living, and how we can make their lives better, it's somehow about fulfilling the Obama's destiny.

I don't know about you, but I've had enough with president's suffering from messianic complex's this century.


by ManfromMiddletown on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:40:02 PM EST

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they've created the impression that they feel they have the right to absolute control over their message.

This is pretty much what the existing consultant aristocracy knows how to do -- the only thing they know how to do. A new generation (well represented at this site) is going to have to figure out how to run campaigns in an environment where NO ONE can completely control message. I have a little experience with this due to some odd anarchic experiments I've had to undertake. The requisite skills are all about understanding that attraction and persuasion are critical ingredients in message and campaign management. Obviously Obama's handlers don't have clue about this.


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by janinsanfran on Wed May 02, 2007 at 07:59:26 PM EST
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A DIFFERENT KIND OF POLITICS? (3.00 / 1)

First there was the Geffen thing, then the DeVellis video, now we have MySpaceGate!

These decisions serve to undermine Obama's rhetoric that he is interested in "a different kind politics".  Indeed, the pattern here points to the possibility that he is yet another self-serving candidate interested only in winning, no matter who he has to run over in the process.


by ChicagoDude on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:40:39 PM EST

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Just to set the time frame for this series of events you might talk to those of us that entered into Demo politics in 1972. We were stupid sheep that were set up and knocked down by the party hacks that hated McGovern and all of us that dirty hippies. I still gag when I think back to that time and how we were used and abused.

Nothing has changed, but everything has changed. I (and other boomers that have been waiting since 1980 to make progress) am here with you and we have an open (so far) tool to use to organize ourselves around the truth. Let the "powers that be" go do themselves!! Obama better get involved, find the checkbook , and make amends(if it isn't too late already).


by Neosho on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:46:33 PM EST

Re: Welcome to the Club, Millenials (3.00 / 1)

One thing people on this thread and the previous one seem to be missing, is tht Anthony only asked for 40k once the campaign offered to pay him and told him to come up with a number. What's interesting is that once he came up with that number they simply said "no." No negotiation, no consideration.

BUt, I agree with others, the bigger issue here is the treatment of supporters by the campaign staff.

At the very least it is great advertising to be able to say Obama has, shit, combining totals from this and Facebook, over half a million registered friends on the Internet, MORE THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE. It's just boneheaded, pragmatically speaking, to throw that away.

A bad situation and bad results for everyone.

One other thing I saw a lot in the other thread were people claiming that of the 160,000 friends, most were not politically active supporters. I know at least 10-12 of those Myspace friends and while I can say that they may never go door-to-door, raise money for the candidate, or even give money, they are rabid about actually voting for the guy and chatter away about him being their buddy on Myspace and how inspiring he is if you give them a minute. ANd a few of them are Republicans.

I'm not against Obama. It's too early for me to choose anyone. So this isn't a for-or-against Obama thing for me. Just some observations.


by captain furious on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:50:19 PM EST

What should Obama do? (none / 0)

Stoller, you've said quite a few times now that Obama doesn't interact with his supporters in the right way. Well, what is the right way?

What should Obama be doing, in your view?


by Korha on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:08:59 PM EST

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Word.

This has the ring of higher-up decisions to me. It's clearly about control, a lack of trust in an external element. Sounds like Rospars.


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:12:49 PM EST

Re: Welcome to the Club, Millenials (none / 0)

He did the work; he should be paid. Negotiate, but give him around $35,000.

Obama did a wrong thing here. I'm a supporter,but you gotta pay folks for their work. It's only right.


by rikyrah on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:37:26 PM EST

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This is ridiculous.  You should be able to have the rights to your own name on the internet.   Not only that but if this guy was such an Obama supporter and if you really want the guy to win, wouldn't you want him to have the domain?  The guy is just a baby.  


by BigPapi on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:39:12 PM EST

Heh. (none / 0)

If David Ortiz wanted to log on here, would you cede to him your user name?


by Adam B on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:48:26 PM EST
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This borders on idiotic. (3.00 / 2)

The author has no more right to myspace.com/barackobama than a cybersquatter would have to www.barackobama.com.  He created the first "fan profile"...good for him.

I could create a nice Barack Obama profile on Myspace in about 15 minutes, and with a high-visibility URL it would similarly gather a large following.

Did he do any original reporting?  Or did he just post press releases and photos from the campaign and others?  That's about another 10 minutes each day.  Did he do anything other than let the profile sit there and gather critical mass as me-too tweeners joined each others' groups over the ensuing months?

Come on, folks.  Obama didn't "steal" anything.  He asked MySpace to give him the profile that was named "Barack Obama."  He had a right to ask and they were fully within their rights to acquiesce.

Come on, folks.  Where's the controversy here?  It's episodes like this that prove the blogosphere can sometimes be full of whiners who lack basic common sense and think the cyber world revolves around them.  I expect Obama to cater to the netroots, but it doesn't mean I have a right to the entirety of his online persona.  I'm glad the Obama campaign did the sensible thing and doesn't worship at the blogosphere's feet on this issue.


"The era of procrastination, of half-measures...of delays, is coming to a close. In its place, we are entering a period of consequences."
by GeckoBlue on Wed May 02, 2007 at 06:34:47 PM EST


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