Republicans vs Ron Paul

Ron Paul, after he said in the GOP debate, "Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," was attacked by a Republican chorus.

The GOP chairman in Michigan has called to ban Ron Paul from all future Republican debates.

Then today, Zogby releases a poll that shows Ron Paul zooming ahead of over half the other Republicans running for President, at 3% now.

But this is precious. Last week, Ron Paul won the Republican PJ media's straw poll event, over-taking movement conservative baldy Fred Thompson. So what does Pajamas do?  They ban Ron Paul from participation in their online poll this week, no longer including him.

You can tell why libertarians no longer vote Republican.

Update [2007-5-17 21:23:51 by Jerome Armstrong]:I see, they are referring to the recent Gallup poll for the choices-- but funny how I looked back and they haven't been doing so at all to date for any of the candidates they list. Ron Paul will be back!

On another note, what did you vote for Hillary's song? I voted for "right here right now" by jesus jones, a song from '91 that I loved back then, just after being in Eastern Europe in the late '80's. I listed to a few of the others to choose for Hillary's campaign song... probably "Suddenly I See" wins. The important thing to consider, in making your vote, is realizing that every vendor/consultant/staffer will have to listen to the song over and over again while making a call to the campaign hq's, so keep them in mind-- We Can.



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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

I think Ron Paul is playing an important role by bringing up things the GOP does not want to talk about. That will help the Democratic nominee in the long run. Without candidates in both parties like Paul, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, etc. there are a lot of things that would never be said.

Voters do listen. In addition to Paul rising Gravel is tied for 4th in some polls.


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by robliberal on Thu May 17, 2007 at 08:49:49 PM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

Well, I wish a Democratic candidate were saying what Paul is saying. I know, I know, Gravel and Kucinich, etc, but Paul is more articulate.

Watch this speech if you want to hear a presidential candidate condemn Empire. Occupation breeds terrrorism, he says. Well yes.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/th e_daily_dish/2007/05/ron_paul_in_new.htm l


by david mizner on Thu May 17, 2007 at 08:53:17 PM EST

Do libertarians really exist? (none / 0)

 I ask this because I've dealt with a few people who claim to be "libertarians" but are fully on board with Bush's domestic wiretapping, don't see the Dobson crowd as a threat, embrace the Patriot Act, and are generally supportive of every big-government assault on civil liberties undertaken by the Bush crowd. Heck, doesn't Glenn Reynolds, Bush shill extraordinaire, claim to be one?

 "Libertarians" work as a useful theoretical construct, I suppose. But I think one is more likely to encounter the Loch Ness monster than a "libertarian"...


by Master Jack on Thu May 17, 2007 at 09:20:49 PM EST

Re: Do libertarians really exist? (none / 0)

That's a bit much. Lots of people are libertarians.


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by sayhar on Thu May 17, 2007 at 09:42:28 PM EST
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Re: Do libertarians really exist? (none / 0)

It's also worth noting that there are left-libertarians and right-libertarians, especially in the international context. Right-libertarians have largely co-opted the term "libertarian" in the U.S. since the 1970s; "libertarian" in Europe and elsewhere means something completely different. You'd be more accurate to call our Libertarians "propertarians", since the right to private property is what's held above all.

As for the song picks, several friends at UWMadison are campaigning to write in "The Internationale". How friggin' hilarious would that be? XD


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by Liberaltarian on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:49:51 PM EST
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Re: Do libertarians really exist? (none / 0)

In Europe?  The word that I've heard used for the set of policies that Americans call 'libertarian' is the actual correct word for them, 'liberal'.


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by Valatan on Fri May 18, 2007 at 11:37:07 AM EST
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Re: Do libertarians really exist? (none / 0)

Libertarians are conservatives who want to smoke pot and not have people judge what they themselves do sexually and otherwise.

Basically, they are hypocrites, unless they are of the Ron Paul variety.  Sometimes I think of them as worse than ultra-cons because libertarians are that way for purely selfish reasons, IMO.

But, tried and true libertarians are rare and are now closer to Dems that the repugs.  Ron Paul is indeed rare and people like him are almost extinct.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:33:02 PM EST
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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

Paul was second behind Thompson in the previous 6 weekly straw polls on that PJ site.


by Gary Kilbride on Thu May 17, 2007 at 09:42:38 PM EST

Speaking of Hillary (none / 0)

Her e-mail angered me.  

The subject line says: We Need Your Advice.  I am getting excited that she wants to have a conversation with the grassroots about policy or something important.  It turns out to be a twinky question about "the campaign song."

She must be taking us for fools.  Go and bake cookies, Lady Macbeth.  That's the last time you manipulated me.


by Hellmut on Thu May 17, 2007 at 09:51:24 PM EST

Re: Speaking of Hillary (none / 0)

I thought it was a pretty good use of humor.   To each his/her own, I suppose.


by georgep on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:18:54 PM EST
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Re: Speaking of Hillary (none / 0)

oh, god, lighten up.  w-o-w.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:34:01 PM EST
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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

Ron Paul articulated the truth better than any democrat has regarding Iraq


by DocD on Thu May 17, 2007 at 09:55:50 PM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

ENough of this ROn Paul crap.  He is a racist and an anti-semite.

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/a ol-metropolitan/96/05/23/paul.html


by pontificator on Thu May 17, 2007 at 09:57:24 PM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

you mean Ron Paul?

/googlebomb


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by Shai Sachs on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:37:01 PM EST
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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

More here

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/17/ 155438/459

Honestly, it is embarrassing to see progressives worshipping at the alter of Ron Paul.


by pontificator on Thu May 17, 2007 at 09:58:37 PM EST

Who's worshipping Paul? (none / 0)

I said he's an artiuclate critic of imperialism. So, sometimes, is another racist and antisemite, Pat Buchanan.

An idea isn't wrong because a racist expresses it.

So, relax.


by david mizner on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:06:09 PM EST
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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

I remember people applauding Bill "the feminization of America is killing us" Maher for some of his comments after 9/11.

Geez, people, get in touch of reality.  While there are some coincidences on policy, for the most part the libertarian mindset is antithetical to the progressive mindset.  Libertarians are not our friends.  At best, they are short-term allies on things like Iraq.


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by Anthony de Jesus on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:12:58 PM EST
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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

probably "Suddenly I See" wins

Instantly eliminated by a Dem 'religious consultant' in the campaign.

the refrain: "Suddenly I see
              This is what I want to be
              Suddenly I see
              Why the HELL it means so much to me."

and forget "City of Blinding Lights" -- that was the song for Obama's announcement, LOL.


by dblhelix on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:05:42 PM EST

Ron Paul has been winning straw polls (none / 0)

over at the Iowa State University Republicans' website Cyclone Conservatives:

http://cycloneconservatives.blogspot.com /


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:06:35 PM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

I voted for KT Tunstall, love her music.

Clinton screwed up by not making this a list building opportunity.  There is no email collection and no cookies to stop people from stuffing the ballot so to speak.


by juls on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:07:57 PM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

no cookies to stop people from stuffing the ballot so to speak

Like "we're" making the decision ...


by dblhelix on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:11:09 PM EST
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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (3.00 / 1)

You think the War on Iraq is bad?  Wait till Hillary, Obama, Giulliani or -God Forbid- Mccain take the white house.   All of the aforementioned have already guaranteed to the Israeli lobby that they will consider military action on Iran--google it.  Ron Paul will work for US interests.  The others' are all the tools of AIPAC.


by RonPaulWontBombIran on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:08:17 PM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

I say Ron Paul runs in his district as a Libertarian running for the Democratic nomination.  He's half Democrat half Republican.  They don't want him, why don't we take him?  50% is better than 0%.  That'll piss Republicans off.  S**ting on their own candidates... And this is only the second debate.  I can't wait till the pressure is really on.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:09:05 PM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

I hope Paul stays in until the end and loses the nomination, then, after building some modest support in the primary, runs as a Libertarian. And I hope Giuliani wins the primary, forcing a religious right run. And I hope Bloomberg joins in on the action. Throw in whoever the Dem will be, and you have yourself an election.

That oughta break the Electoral College.


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by LandStander on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:17:26 PM EST

Is Jerome pro-Hillary? (none / 0)

He has been writing puff items on Hillary.

Any disclosures we need to know?


by jasmine on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:24:51 PM EST

Re: Is Jerome pro-Hillary? (3.00 / 1)

You've got a low barrier for puff.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:29:50 PM EST
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Re: Is Jerome pro-Hillary? (none / 0)

Jerome has always disclosed when he is working for candidates.  He recently disclosed he is working for Kerry.  If Jerome was working for Hillary, I'm quite sure he would tell us.


by pontificator on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:56:27 PM EST
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Re: Is Jerome pro-Hillary? (none / 0)

I don't even have a favorite among the candidates, but neither do I have much of a disposition against anyone either. I'm too busy doing other things to go work on a Presidential campaign right now.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:16:08 PM EST
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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

Ron Paul is entertaining. He makes them made because he talks like old-time conservatives, and they don't want to remind people of that.


by rikyrah on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:26:36 PM EST

oops...he makes them MAD (none / 0)

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by rikyrah on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:27:09 PM EST
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Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

Ron Paul is no libertarian, really. He is a paleo-conservative. This group is quite large. I visit a lot of paleo sites. They come from backgrounds that tend to give them a slight connection to racism, but they are generally not like that. The former weapons inspector, Scott Ritter is one of them. He still gets along with liberals, and so on. Paul is about 95% in touch with what the most liberal people want. And remember I am a Kucinich supporter.

These paleos are quite numerous, and they tend to be decent and respectable. Here is a paleo site that I visit frequently for economic information:

http://www.theinternationalforecaster.co m/


by blues on Fri May 18, 2007 at 12:02:12 AM EST

hillary's song contest (none / 0)

i'm holding an alternative contest for picking hillary's song over at skippy...winner gets a skippy tee shirt!


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by skippy on Fri May 18, 2007 at 12:49:17 AM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

See also:

Rudy Giuliani vs. Ron Paul II
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/128 81/guest-voice-rudy-giuliani-vs-ron-paul -i-online-scoring/

The Ron Paul Internet Dilemma
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/128 50/guest-voice-the-ron-paul-internet-dil emma/


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by PoliticsTwoPointZero on Fri May 18, 2007 at 09:46:26 AM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

For those of you resorting to calling Ron Paul a racist you really look pathetic.  If the race card is all you have to fight with then you should stop debating presidential politics and go back to trying to get more disc jockeys kicked off the air.


by ditka on Fri May 18, 2007 at 11:16:32 AM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

There are a lot more libertarians than the 1 to 2 percent the LP earns in elections.  Polls put the number between ten and twenty percent, depending on how you define the term.  They have tended to vote Republican since Reagan sold them the smaller government line, but are more up for grabs now thanks to big-spending GWB.  

Three main issues concern libertarians -- peace, liberty, and private property.  On the first two, they are natural allies with progressives.  On the third one, they will never agree.

As a libertarian, I would have been happy to work for Russ Feingold as a Democratic candidate.  He is the most legitimate anti-war, pro-Constitutional-liberty politician in the country.  He would spend more than I would like, but is no worse than most of the Republican candidates.  Unfortunately, he decided not to run.

Right now I am supporting Ron Paul.  He isn't a perfect candidate, but has spoken out clearly and intelligently on the two biggest issues in the election -- the war in Iraq and the dangerous expansion of presidential power.

If Paul doesn't win the nomination, I could support Richardson or Obama as the Democratic nominee.  Clinton or Edwards would be out of the question.


by Lex on Fri May 18, 2007 at 02:02:50 PM EST

Re: Republicans vs Ron Paul (none / 0)

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