Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill

Ari Berman has an important article in the Nation on Clinton's crew.  The whole thing is worth reading, and it touches on a bunch of episodes I've blogged about, including the Fox News-Nielson fight and Glover Park and Dewey Square's involvement in net neutrality.  Berman called Glover Park the 'White House in exile'.

This is a very scary prospect.  Though I do a fair amount of criticism of the firm, I do want to be fair.  Here's an illustration of how they just won't reciprocate.  An anonymous reader tipped me off that Glover Park was involved in crisis management for AG Gonzales.  I found this hard to believe but not out of the realm of plausibility, so I called the firm up four times to get either a confirmation or a denial, and never heard back from anyone over there.  I know that Chip Smith was one of the partners my message went to, and he didn't respond.  Through a reporter at the Polito, I was told that the Glover Park denied this allegation absolutely, but no one over there had the common courtesy or common sense to call me back and say this to me directly.  I still haven't gotten a denial, and I notice that Smith was an executive at MCI from 1996-2000, MCI being one of the biggest corporate frauds in history.  The prospect of a firm this close to the bevy of hucksters in union-busting corporate America being at the core of the next Democratic administration should be worrisome.

I found this fact particularly interesting.

Clinton's rarely been the threat to the business community that many on the right typically allege. She's often partnered with Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Bill Frist. In 2002 she backed a harsh position on welfare reform reauthorization that put her at odds even with conservative Republicans like Orrin Hatch. She persuaded her husband to veto the bankruptcy bill in 1997, voted for a similar version in 2001 and missed the vote in 2005, when Bill was in the hospital. She advocated weakening the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform law, telling Feingold to "live in the real world." Unlike Edwards and Obama, she accepts campaign contributions from lobbyists and corporate PACs. "Ask them why they don't take money from lobbyists," Wolfson retorts. "We're proud of our support."

The Bankruptcy Bill is a useful lesson for progressives, because it is precisely the type of out of the spotlight legislation that most Democrats could vote for without penalty and generate corporate contributions.  It was one of those gimmes, a little-noticed bill that wasn't supposed to pass.  And when no one was looking, Clinton voted for the bill.  In 2005, would she have voted for it?  Who knows?  She might have been responsible for the veto in 1997.

Clinton is a very dangerous candidate.  She has a very strong base of support, a huge number of women who love her, and power among the youth.  She is also surrounded by a group of opportunistic anti-progressive con men and women.  It's a disturbing state of affairs.  I hope that someone organizes a PAC or 527 against her brand of centrism, and points out the wild inconsistencies from the left.

Update [2007-5-17 17:52:1 by Matt Stoller]:: A commenter pointed out that she voted against cloture in 2005, so it's fairly likely she would have voted against the 2005 bill. Still, in 2005, it was a high profile issue, and in 1997 and 2001 it wasn't, so her vote must be looked at through that prism. In 1997 it looks like she opposed the bill, in 2001 she voted for the bill. The times when we're not looking is when character comes out, and in Clinton's case her vote for the bill in 2001 is a useful indicator as to where her loyalties may lie. It's possible she's changed, it's just that it's not clear. That was my point.

Update [2007-5-17 18:10:56 by Matt Stoller]:: A friend pointed me to this Radar piece on a Glover Park person offering hypothetical PR advice to Gonzales. The AG certainly didn't take it.



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Re: Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill (none / 0)

Didn't Clinton represent corporations when her husband was Governor of Arkansas?  


by Jim Treglio on Thu May 17, 2007 at 04:50:29 PM EST

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<cough, cough>

Walmart.


by ManfromMiddletown on Thu May 17, 2007 at 04:53:16 PM EST

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That was for Jim.


by ManfromMiddletown on Thu May 17, 2007 at 04:53:46 PM EST
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<cough cough>

 and Tyson

<hrrmrmph>

 and JB Hunt, the trucking firm


by northcountry on Thu May 17, 2007 at 04:56:28 PM EST
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Jesus.

Seriously.

Tyson treats their workers like shit, but I don't know anything about JB Hunt.


by ManfromMiddletown on Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:11:02 PM EST
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That's what I thought.  Big firms represent big corporations.  My guess is that Clinton is probably more pro-business than her husband. . .or she knows where the bodies are buried.


by Jim Treglio on Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:13:09 PM EST
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yup.  And Arkansas rivers are shot through with chicken shit.

The Rose Law Firm and Stephens Inc. (a small, private, elite, investment banking firm based in Little Rock) were major players in Wal-Mart, Tyson, and JB Hunt's rapid growth in the 1970s and 1980s.  


by northcountry on Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:44:47 PM EST
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Seriously Howard? (none / 0)


Unlike Edwards and Obama, she accepts campaign contributions from lobbyists and corporate PACs. "Ask them why they don't take money from lobbyists," Wolfson retorts. "We're proud of our support."

Wow.  You're proud of your lobbyist support?  That's rich.


by rashomon on Thu May 17, 2007 at 04:53:19 PM EST

Re: Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill (3.00 / 1)

At some point very soon the progressive community of liberals are going to have to decide if they are going to finish out the year divided and attacking one another or if they are going to collectively rally behind one single democratic candidate to defeat the candidacy of HRC.  At some point very soon.....


by aiko on Thu May 17, 2007 at 04:59:52 PM EST

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Never gonna happen. I suspect game theory could tell us why.


by BingoL on Thu May 17, 2007 at 06:09:01 PM EST
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Obama OR Edwards -- Not Both (none / 0)

I've felt the same way for weeks now.

But it's not a question merely of whom liberals support. The fact is,
either Obama or Edwards will have the strength he needs to defeat
Clinton only if one of the two actually withdraws "at some point
very soon."

2-3 months, tops.


by horizonr on Thu May 17, 2007 at 06:31:43 PM EST
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 Not gonna happen. Too many egos.

 It's unfortunate, really. Hillary Clinton is a godawful candidate at so many levels. She's the worst possible combination for a Democratic candiate -- a conservative who's publicly perceived to be a liberal. And there are several better alternatives -- really, I could live with ANY of the non-Clinton candidates as the nominee. Even Joe Biden.

 Our best hope is that one of the non-Clintons experiences a patriotism moment and throws his support behind one of the others, starting a bandwagon effect. I'm sick of being forced to support Democratic nominees I have to keep apologizing for.


by Master Jack on Thu May 17, 2007 at 07:47:30 PM EST
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Re: Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill (3.00 / 0)

Wow, great article by Berman. Couple things I didn't know, that Clinton is now the number on Congressional recipient of $$$ from the health care industry, and Clinton folks seem to be doing push polling:

Recently two poll interviewees accused the Denver-based field office of Penn's firm, PSA Interviewing, of conducting misleading telephone polls in California and New Hampshire. The interviewers read to respondents statements like "John Edwards chose not to run for another Senate term because he didn't think he could win, abandoning the fight in Congress against the administration," and "Barack Obama failed to vote in favor of abortion rights nine times as a state senator." Hillary, by contrast, is presented as someone who "was born into a middle-class home where she learned the value of hard work and frugality." At the end of the script the poll asks, "Based on what you've heard, who would you choose as the Democratic candidate for President: Hillary Clinton, John Edwards or Barack Obama?" In response to these accusations, Penn said the charges were false and that "this firm conducts standard political and market research polls...and does not do push polling." He would not confirm or deny that the questions above came from PSA.

I've been saying for months now that Hillary won't win a single state, and I still think that's true, but I do have an amendment: Hillary might win, might, if Obama, Edwards, and the rest of the Dems are reluctant to be as tough as the Clinton people are gonna be. If I had a million dollars, I'd run ads asking Hillary why she wants the authority to torture:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/11/ 81919/9786


by david mizner on Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:08:42 PM EST

Re: Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill (3.00 / 2)

None of this is the least bit surprising or unexpected.  Hillary is a cardboard prop for the elitist establishment which, having exhausted the usefulness of the conservative movement, seeks a new brand with which to once more swindle the people.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:23:53 PM EST

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  And way too many clueless Democrats march right behind her.

 Political naivete isn't exclusively a Republican franchise.

 


by Master Jack on Thu May 17, 2007 at 07:49:34 PM EST
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Dig deeper...Hillary opposed the 2005 Bill... (3.00 / 1)

She made a very strongly worded speech in opposition to the bill the day before the vote...

It's on the public record, so your musings on whether she might have voted for it make clear you didn't dig deep enough to find the answer before posting....


by SaveElmer on Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:34:35 PM EST

Re: Dig deeper...Hillary opposed the 2005 Bill... (none / 0)

Although she knew she wasn't going to vote on bill regardless...


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Thu May 17, 2007 at 08:51:54 PM EST
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Re: Dig deeper...Hillary opposed the 2005 Bill... (none / 0)

Yeah and I bet she arranged for Bill's bypass surgery to take place on the day of the vote so she would have a "convenient" excuse to miss it.

Gawd the spinning and twisting around here to impart bad faith to Hillary where the evidence in fact shows just the opposite...is breathtaking!


by SaveElmer on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:05:28 PM EST
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Re: Dig deeper...Hillary opposed the 2005 Bill... (none / 0)

No -- his Bypass surgery that was in Sept 04/... The Bankruptcy vote was in March 05.

The Clintons knew he needed the 'elective' surgery BEFORE February '05.

NYT: "...Because Mr. Clinton passed an exercise stress test "with flying colors" - he scored in the 95th percentile for a 58-year-old man - the doctors considered the timing of the procedure elective. So they said he could safely travel to Indonesia on Feb. 19 with former President George Bush to tour South Asian nations devastated by the Dec. 26 tsunami..."

A Rare Complication, a Low-Risk Operation
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/09/nation al/09surgery.html?ex=1179547200&en=b 88e2254823c7b61&ei=5070

Clinton faces more surgery, calls it 'no big deal'
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg i?f=/c/a/2005/03/09/MNG08BMLEJ1.DTL


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:16:25 PM EST
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2005 Bill (3.00 / 1)

Clinton voted against cloture, which was the last best chance to kill the bill.

The 2001 version of the bill was dead letter; the House would not pass the bill because it included provisions to eliminate bankruptcy protections for anti-abortion protestors or some such.


by niq on Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:36:34 PM EST

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Although notice that some of those politicans that voted AGAINST cloture - ended up voting FOR the bill anyways.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ro ll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con gress=109&session=1&vote=00044#p osition

So good theory but doesn't necessarily add up to Clinton 'definitely' voting NAY.


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Thu May 17, 2007 at 08:56:23 PM EST
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Except for the fact she explicitly said so... (none / 0)

In the floor statement she delivered the previous day...


by SaveElmer on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:30:04 PM EST
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Re: 2005 Bill (none / 0)

I had heard her speak about the bill in numerous settings in that time frame and she never had a kind word for it.

You keep letting your dislike for her blind you to the evidence.


by debcoop on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:34:17 PM EST
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Re: 2005 Bill (none / 0)

I assure you it isn't blind dislike, her rhetoric and bullcrap straddling on issues, as well as her effortlessly lying about how long she's been for a withdrawal shows the type of person she is...


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:45:00 PM EST
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What is wrong with you?  It's FUCKING Surgery. You are suggesting that choosing to be with her husband of 30 yrs when they open his chest to drain the fluids, which was a rare occurrence for the type of bypass he had (according to the article you linked) was less important than voting than on the bankruptcy bill.  No really, does this sound like a rational argument to make.  It's not like he was going to get the stitches removed or bandages off, it was FUCKING surgery.  Give it a rest already.  This post is a POS and the cheerleaders for this type of post aren't really making any sense either.


by Kingstongirl on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:57:29 PM EST
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Re: 2005 Bill (none / 0)

Knock off with the tears and Drama Queen act.

What part about 'elective' surgery DON'T you get...  with their money he could have surgery any freakin day of the month he wanted!

So lay off the dramatics = ain't working///


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Fri May 18, 2007 at 02:28:23 AM EST
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Re: 2005 Bill (none / 0)

You know, every morning I listen to Stephanie Miller and she plays this sound bite, "YOU ARE AN IDIOT", usually in response to some ridiculous statement from one of the Right Wingers.  Now, I'm not calling you an idiot, because I don't really know you and that wouldn't be very nice.  It's funny though that that's the sound bite that comes to mind and keeps running thru my head, when I read your comments.


by Kingstongirl on Fri May 18, 2007 at 02:32:54 PM EST
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Re: 2005 Bill (none / 0)

if you actually read my articles you would have found out they DON'T PRIZE open his chest...

"...Unlike Clinton's heart surgery, which required doctors to open up his chest, Thursday's operation should be accomplished with a few small incisions between the ribs to slip inside instruments and a tube containing a video camera to guide the surgeon's long-handled cutting tools.

Drama Drama Drama../

Again with their money and connections they could have had the surgery any time they wanted.


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Fri May 18, 2007 at 02:44:28 AM EST
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Not only is it fairly likely...it is fact (3.00 / 2)

As she stated in her floor speech before the vote...on the public record..

This is just more typical "raise the bar to far" for Hillary to ever reach. First its "who knows if she would have voted for the bill," then its pointed out she vote for cloture and  the "It's likely she would  have voted against," and now its pointed out she explicitly stated the day before the vote that she would have voted against it...so what will be the criteria now that will satisfy people...

I know it doesn't help the thesis that is being developed here, by you and "The Nation," but the fact is Hillary Clinton opposed the 2005 Bankruptcy Act...and stated so explicitly in strong terms before the vote...


by SaveElmer on Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:57:14 PM EST

Re: Not only is it fairly likely...it is fact (none / 0)

SaveElmer - some people just need to complain about something so they take it out on HRC - There's always going to be people who are going to complain. Sometimes it gets a little crazy, but just realize that a lot of facts get left out as well. Sometimes you just have to laugh :)


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu May 17, 2007 at 06:12:38 PM EST
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Re: Not only is it fairly likely...it is fact (none / 0)

Elmer, I know from another site you are a huge Hillary fan.  But, the fact is, I don't trust her as she has proved time and again she is not trustworthy and rather shifty.  Her people are so much like the gang in the white house now.
I would support any other dem candidate glady but, I will not support her.  She is a potential Bush.
by vwcat on Thu May 17, 2007 at 08:23:21 PM EST
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Re: Not only is it fairly likely...it is fact (3.00 / 1)

Your accusations are simply not factual...her voting record is moderate to liberal Democratic. And the point here is, she is being pilloried by association, and those doing it cannot even be bothered to check the public record to make sure the assumptions they make are even supported by the evidence. In this case, the evidence showed definitively that the implication in the post was simply not factual.

Unfortunately this characterizes much of the Hillary criticism. Misinformation about her record and her positions have become so ingrained in  the mindset of certain sectors of the party, that they are repeated as fact.

She is automatically assumed to be acting in bad faith, so many analyses start from that assumption and devise evidence to support it.


by SaveElmer on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:29:16 PM EST
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Re: Not only is it fairly likely...it is fact (none / 0)

The fact that he is a Hillary fan does not naysay the evidence which makes it clear she would have voted against the bankruptcy bill.  

However the fact that you are suspicious of her makes it very likely that despite the clear evidence that would be sufficient to prove anyone else's intentions, your suspicions interfere with acknowledging the facts that are in front of you.


by debcoop on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:40:16 PM EST
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Re: Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill (3.00 / 2)

Wow-you guys are dangerous and hurting our process- None of the Democrats are evil-including HIllary- You knee jerk 15 years of the far right's  propaganda-that's real progressive huh?  Anyone check out Obama's PAC and lobbyist money from his most recent campaigns?   -Possibly it was careful political planning to make him "authentic" during this Presidential run-in lieu of experience.  And while we're at it he's hired a "lobbyist" to run his New Hampshire operation You can pull apart any of the candidates- Your fav-Edward's 29,000 square foot house and $400 haircuts" undermines both his two Americas" theme and environmental issues.
This is not a sporting event-you must be thoughtful-do the hard work- You are turning into the internet version of FOX-It's easy to spin any way you want-Compromise is what it's all about in life- Shame on you-Concentrate on the Bush administration-they are at fault-we are supposed to be on the same team- there is such anger in your words- where does this come from?  Put it where it belongs-please!
by Menemshasunset on Thu May 17, 2007 at 06:22:15 PM EST

Edwards also voted for the 2001 bill, right? (3.00 / 3)

"The times when we're not looking is when character comes out, and in Clinton's case her vote for the bill in 2001 is a useful indicator as to where her loyalties may lie. It's possible she's changed, it's just that it's not clear."

Would you apply the above to Edwards too?

He also voted YEA on cloture for the bill (as did every Repug), while Clinton voted NAY with most progressives.

And Edwards voted against Wellstone's amendment to the bill to "make sure we offer a fresh start for those people put under by medical bills who honestly cannot pay back." (Wellstone's words). Clinton voted for the amendment.

Details and quote source here (numbers 1 and 2): http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/21/ 1819/60834

I don't care so much about a few bad votes (though the IWR was a big one), but there may be a double standard going on here since Edwards was even harsher on the bankruptcy reform than Clinton and people love him on these blogs despite that yet Clinton gets chewed up for it...


by End game on Thu May 17, 2007 at 06:30:05 PM EST

Re: Edwards also voted for the 2001 bill, right? (none / 0)

IWR WAS A HUGE MISTAKE ALL OTHER VOTES PALE IN COMPARISON.


by BDM on Fri May 18, 2007 at 03:04:00 AM EST
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Re: Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill (none / 0)

One of my main reasons for not supporting Clinton has been this feeling I have about her not being good for us.
I see her as a president who would basically use republican ways and try to stamp out the progressive movement.
Like you, I have viewed her candidacy not as a rival to my candidate but, as simply one who is dangerous and must not get the nomination.  it would be disaster.
She is not above doing underhanded things and her people are not what we want in the white house.
by vwcat on Thu May 17, 2007 at 08:20:44 PM EST

Re: Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill (3.00 / 3)

Hmmm, a bit disappointed in this, Matt. In three ways, that I will detail below:

Clearly she voted against cloture.  That is the bottom line right?  That bit obviates the rest, about the bankruptcy bill.  

The rest is a lot of smear-by-association.  And I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with that, ESPECIALLY as I've seen this half-formed "concerns" or hitjobs against Obama, Clinton, etc.

If you are going to get very concerned about "associations", it seems to me to be incumbent upon you to do the following:

a. Be very clear about the relationship of the person she is associate with, to her now, and what power they wield with her now.  The fact that she has a 'corporate advisor' isn't that big a deal.  In fact Hilary and Bill were always getting slammed by the right, for their various (very liberal) advisors, back in the 90's. The point being, she has a lot of advisors.  Where is the power, as much as can be determined?
b. Even more important - HOW DID SHE VOTE ON THE ISSUE? WHAT IS HER VOTING RECORD? And less important, what are her statements about the issues?

Now, this doesn't detract from her and Bill's frequent ability to sell out - and you are absolutely right to get after her for that.  But that "sellout" has to be based on how she VOTES, not on who she KNOWS.


by jc on Thu May 17, 2007 at 08:35:26 PM EST

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I share your views on guilt by association which I have stated before.  It is a dangerous thing which is why I stick to actions and facts.  


by John Mills on Thu May 17, 2007 at 09:50:55 PM EST
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Re: Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill (2.50 / 2)

God, you are so lazy. If you had bothered to look up what Clinton said about the 2005 Bankruptcy Bill, you would have know she strongly opposed it. Why don't you try doing about 10 seconds of research before you make your next mindless, pissy screed?


by tigercourse on Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:58:30 PM EST

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Just another reason why I don't trust HRC. Never will.


by rikyrah on Fri May 18, 2007 at 07:49:44 AM EST

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I am a proud Democrat and have been since Bobby in 1968. Any of people running for President will be better than this guy. Will I agree with everything they do as President...no but it is okay you don't agree all the time with anyone, unless you are a moron or Republican!


Beware of greedy leaders They'll take you where you should not go---George Harrison
by gar2458 on Fri May 18, 2007 at 01:35:58 PM EST


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