George Will says Obama may be the next Reagan

in it's implications. this is not to say that Obama is similiar to Reagan in philosophy, but rather in style. Indeed Barack is a true counterpoint to The Gipper, philisophically.

It's too bad that most Republicans don't believe in stem cell research, because if they did they'd be one step closer to cloning Reagan, which after watching the first GOP debate seems to be about all they care about.

George Will is not a right wing christo-fascist/ neocon. He's the quintessential anti-welfare state conservative, to be sure, and we'll likely not agree on much, but I do respect his opinion. He is a Republican who is not, in a word, scary. Kind of like the Governor of California. I would put Christine Todd Whitman in this category also. So many of these "moderate" Republican voices have been marginalized by the Rove/ Bush red meat to "the base" style of governance.  

I think the last straw for George Will and company may have been the recent GOP debate, wherein half the candidates disavowed evolution, one promised, with a maniacal grin, to follow OBL to the Gates of hell, and all pledged fidelity to the 40th POTUS, R.I.P.

George Will pointed out that despite the panderings evident in the debate, the 2008 candidate closest in spirit to "The Great Communicator" is Barack Obama.

The comparison, and I apologize for lack of quotes because I haven't found a transcript of the show yet, was basically that Reagan would drive some conservatives (and liberals, to be sure)crazy because they would often disagree with him on issues, but his "persona" was so powerful, he was "liked" so much, that he brought people to his side more often than not.

The cool thing about Obama, and Mr. Will certainly sees this quality, is that in practice Obama is reliably progressive, yet his rhetoric and persona are undevisive.

Barack Obama is a gift- do we dare return it?- to liberals who for years have wondered why it is that on one hand, polling suggests that Americans agree with progressive POSITIONS, while on the other hand, progressive POLITICIANS suffer one defeat after another on the national stage. Obama is our party's answer to the Great Communicator. His name and heritage are incredible assets in this regard, not liabilities. He is symbollically a bridge between races and cultures. America needs this right now; not only for ourselves and our divisive history, but also as an example for the rest of the world to follow. It is not Hillary's fault that this man has arrived at this moment in time. With a weak GOP field, she could perhaps win the Presidency, playing what Mark Warner called electoral college roulette. At the end of the day (or by end of the end of this summer, specifically), after they've gotten to know our candidate a little better, voters will be thinking long and hard about whether or not the ugly partisanship as defined by 25 years of the Bush/ Clinton wars is really the way to go. We need a game-changer.      

To quote George and Cokie, it "feels different this time". Barack Obama, if nominated, will cruise to victory in the general election.



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Obama is the most talented Democratic (3.00 / 2)

politician since JFK and it would be a huge mistake not to nominate him. In my humble opinion.

He is a game-changer and a map-changer. As I put in my own diary Obama is a transformational candidate because he has the personality and background to 1. solidify a long lasting Democratic majority, 2. bring the political center towards progressive values, 3. stop the boomer strangle hold on politics and 4. radically improve our relations with the rest of the world.


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by Populism2008 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:36:44 AM EST

Obama (none / 0)

I do like him considerably, but the virtue (the only one in my opinion) of this current idiotic and insane primary system is that he will be tested, again and again, before Jan/Feb 2008.  If he survives the Hillary machine, we may have something in Barack.


by dataguy on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:41:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If obama doesn't go after Hillary (none / 0)

he won't get a chance to be in the general election


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by TarHeel on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:50:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama should go after both HRC AND JRE (none / 0)

with fair-minded criticism, of course.


by NuevoLiberal on Mon May 14, 2007 at 05:31:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama should go after HRC (none / 0)

precisely. would be nice if candidates didn't have to do that, but politics is bound to occur sooner or later.


by the green and bold on Mon May 14, 2007 at 06:44:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

going after Hillary is a gamble (none / 0)

because she's a woman and i doubt the electorate would be too please to see Barack who is an African American,bash on a white woman...Brack can't sound like Al sharpton or he's done...I saw how defazio tried to bully hillary Clinton during her first run for NY senate when he handed her some kind of paper to sign..This was a huge mistake and it galvanized women in masses against defazio.

Something similar happened during her 056 re-election senate run, her opponet called her ugly and it made bif news in NY..She handed up by crushing him and winning most red district...My point is,you have to be very careful if you're going on the attack against hillary.


by JaeHood on Mon May 14, 2007 at 09:20:59 PM EST
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Re: going after Hillary is a gamble (3.00 / 1)

Not trying to drive up Hillary Clinton's negatives is a clear mistake.

One strategy is for Obama and/or Edwards to find female surrogates to do some of their Hillary-bashing for them.


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by Anthony de Jesus on Tue May 15, 2007 at 06:18:23 PM EST
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Re: Obama is the most talented Democratic (none / 0)

What about Bill Clinton.  He did, after all, win two elections for President.

Guess when under the influence, it's easy to overlook such minor things.


by citizen53 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 01:16:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Whatever one thinks of George Will (none / 0)

this confirms that Obama has broad appeal, not because of his policies (which are to the left of most Democratic candidates in modern times) but because of his personality and framing/message. Unfortunately what works in a general election is not always rewarded in primaries.


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by Populism2008 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:41:13 AM EST

Re: Whatever one thinks of George Will (3.00 / 1)

I believe there is something to the argument that Obama's strategy is one of a general election campaign.

I think our strategy, bluntly, is to stick to the high road, and if we're still behind come Date X, we gotta remove the rhetorical knife from its wide toothed grin of a sheath.


by the green and bold on Mon May 14, 2007 at 12:14:52 PM EST
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Re: Whatever one thinks of George Will (3.00 / 1)

I've been reading about Barack's voting record and positions on many issues, and I can't really pin down any sense of wavering or pandering on the issues.  My only thought is, he votes how he believes, and his policies are what he feels to be reasonable and workable.

I can't see him shifting left for the primaries and shifting center for the general, like the old strategy. He is what he is.


by enarjay on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:54:59 PM EST
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Re: Whatever one thinks of George Will (3.00 / 1)

This is a very important point. I have been noticing how much he is staying away from primary-focused messaging, and I think this is deliberate. I think all of them have so far, and they really should continue on that path. That's what Bill and Bush both did in 1992. This whole changing who you are for the primary thing originated with Nixon. Gore and Kerry followed this Nixon strategy to their peril. It just doesn't work in today's media environment.


by Jenifer Fernandez Ancona on Tue May 15, 2007 at 11:52:56 AM EST
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Re: Whatever one thinks of George Will (none / 0)

No doubt.

Look at McCain and the Bomb Bomb Bomb comment.  You simply can't give red meat to your base any more and then change your message to a more general audience.  It'd be on You Tube in hours.

What we end up with is politicians having to be themselves at all times, which I think is a good thing.


by enarjay on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:30:04 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (3.00 / 2)

Watching the George Will comments on the show yesterday reminded of statements made by the conservatives involved in Obama's Harvard Review election years ago.  There is something about Obama which makes people comfortable with him even though philosophically and politically they may be diametrically opposed.  

And Cokie brought up a point which I think is very true but not often mentioned.  A lot of the country are tired of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton exchange of power.  


by dougdilg on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:54:36 AM EST

I have BEEN posting that!! (none / 0)

And now it is just coming out in the MSM.  And many people I speak with are always saying this, so don't think the "fatigue" is not out there for BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/another CLINTON.

IT IS!!

Want change, vote for a different last name in 2008!!


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by icebergslim on Mon May 14, 2007 at 12:18:00 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (3.00 / 0)

While Will may like him well enough (and also people like Andrew Sullivan), he isn't a Reagan Democrat.


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by clarkent on Mon May 14, 2007 at 12:32:23 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

You're right--he's an Obama Democrat.


by Mystylplx on Mon May 14, 2007 at 01:40:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (2.50 / 2)

No, he's an Obama Republican. Unfortunately, I don't think there are enough bowtie-wearing elitists to make much of a difference in an election.


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by clarkent on Mon May 14, 2007 at 01:55:37 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (3.00 / 0)

my friend your comment is way off... perhaps disingenuous. Obama a Republican? what a joke.

It shouldn't be all that surprising, given Obama's inclusive background and demeanor, that moderate Republicans are embracing him. This has as much to do with "normal" Republicans being sick of the hard right as it does with Obama.

Again, people- and we're not people, by the way, we're political junkies, ,mere shells of human beings- are simply tired of Red Vs. Blue. They want consensus. Obama will have this in his favor big time when he gets to the general.  


by the green and bold on Mon May 14, 2007 at 02:21:27 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

I think clarkent meant that George Will is an Obama Republican, not an Obama Democrat.  The reference is to the 'Reagan Democrats' of the 1980s.  However, he won't be an Obama Republican  unless he actually deserts his own party and supports or votes for Obama.  Just saying kind of nice things isn't enough.


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by Mooncat on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:04:56 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (3.00 / 0)

Bingo!


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by clarkent on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:27:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

if the noble poster known as clarkent (none / 0)

did not mean to say that Obama was more like a Republican than a Democrat, then I clearly misunderstood the point.

as for George Will, I can't say he went so far in his remarks as to actually endorse Obama, but it sure sounded like he was considering such a move to me.


by the green and bold on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:41:35 PM EST
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Re: if the noble poster known as clarkent (none / 0)

There's a common term for traditional Democrats who voted for Reagan, and that's a Reagan Democrat. George Will couldn't be an Obama Democrat because he's a Republican, so he's got to be an Obama Republican.


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by clarkent on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:07:04 AM EST
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Re: if the noble poster known as clarkent (none / 0)

The "he" toward the end of this sentence:

While Will may like him well enough (and also people like Andrew Sullivan), he isn't a Reagan Democrat.

... is Will, not Obama. Will is not a Democrat who was pulled over to the darkside by the combination of Reagan's personal charisma and the radical right wing culture war issues.

Will has always been a corporatist conservative who believes in small government, pretending that its in support of individual liberty, ignoring the massive governing hierarchy within commercial corporations and treating Megacorps as the functional equivalent to the old small town Ma and Pop General Store.


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by BruceMcF on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:35:29 AM EST
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Re: if the noble poster known as clarkent (none / 0)

Yeah, I screwed up the whole pronoun antecedent thing.


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by clarkent on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:24:31 AM EST
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"Obama's Way" (3.00 / 1)

A short essay over at Huffington Post dovetails perfectly with this diary. Here's an excerpt:

For those of us who feel passionately about one principle over the other, [Barack Obama's leadership style] can
be maddening. We want someone to say that we're right and they're wrong. This may be soothing for the ego.
But is this good for progress?

Sen. Obama's way is how conflict gets diffused and consensus gets built. Sen. Obama was clear to say this
morning on This Week that he is not naïve to think that he's going to get the whole country to hold hands and
sing Kumbaya. Instead, these are the skills he needs if and when he brings warring DC parties to the table -- a
table that, as things stand now, is practically burnt to the ground.

I would argue that Sen. Obama's desire to damp-down difference is part of the peacemaker's way. The leader
who brings adversaries to the negotiation table is smart to validate points of each argument, to give confidence
that she or he knows opposing concerns are legitimate and worthy of discussion. The leader instills confidence
that everyone will get a fair hearing. We've had six years of my-way-or-the-highway. A strong peacemaker
stands the best chance of creating progress at home and salvaging what's left of our good name abroad.

Yet, we demand a president to be someone who will say "I am this, and I am not that." We demand the
candidate to differentiate himself or herself deeply, to cut connections from others so there is little ambiguity,
so that the candidate goes from being a complex individual to an icon we can hang on the wall.

This need to sell a candidate in shorthand is not going away anytime soon. However, I ask that the thoughtful
among us take the time to consider that Obama's way is the way to peace, the way to growth on every level.

. . . . . . . . . .

While Sen. Obama must continue to show us the details of what an Obama presidency can look like, let's hope
we have the wisdom to know the difference between shape-shifting, and what is simply a peacemakers's desire
to damp-down difference. Your average peacemaker doesn't spend much time beating his chest and harping on
differences that can't be overcome.

The whole piece is at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stacy-park er-aab/obamas-way_b_48373.html


by horizonr on Mon May 14, 2007 at 01:00:17 PM EST

The test of the pudding is in the eating. (none / 0)

I'll wait until Labor Day myself to have a look see over what actual reform policies Obama is running for. The late 80's would have been great for a "non-divisive, charismatic Democrat able to compromise with Republicans" ... because it would have substantially strengthened the hands of the moderate wing of the Republican party which was being slaughtered in primaries by the radical right wing.

On the other hand, 2008 is our best chance at a change election since 1976.


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by BruceMcF on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:38:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (3.00 / 1)

I think that a lot of conservatives like George Will can plainly see that the GOP is going down to defeat big time in '08 because of Bush and Iraq.

This might explain the strange Obama boomlet among folks like Carlson, Brooks, and now Will.  They must figure, "if we are going to get beat than better it be to Barack Obama who will have the good sense and decency not to rub it in."


by Sam I Am on Mon May 14, 2007 at 02:28:55 PM EST

There is a Reaganesque quality (3.00 / 3)

to Obama's appeal. He talks, he makes people feel good. When I talk to Obama supporters, few of them say they are for him because of this or that policy he is endorsing. I hear things like, "I like the way he talks" or (I swear a friend of mine said this) "When I listen to him, I feel proud to be an American."

Obama is not like Reagan--Reagan was an insincere fraud who understood little about policy. Obama is a smart guy who believes in things and understands policy.

However, I would say that the candidates have a lot in common in the feelings they evoke from supporters.

I support Edwards, but to my mind, Obama's greatest strength is this knack for making people feel good when he talks.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon May 14, 2007 at 02:29:48 PM EST

I want to put this comment in a museum (3.00 / 0)

as an example of how a rival candidate's supporters can be fair. I agree with you.

For my money, the governing that will emerge from either a Clinton or Obama or Edwards presidency would be an incredible improvement over the Bush years. A tweak here or there, you've got a recognizably liberal platform to work with. Edwards, policy wise, is in a very daring place right now.

For myself, like most people, I suspect, the choice for President is undeniably personal. If you had to vote for a set of position papers, it'd be one thing, but we vote for people, fellow human beings. Barack rings true for me. Thats why I'm supporting him.


by the green and bold on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:03:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree with you in part (3.00 / 3)

Any of our candidates would be a huge improvement over Bush as president. If nothing else, we would have no Roberts or Alito added to the Supreme Court.

I am supporting Edwards for many reasons, but if I had to articulate my "gut" feeling about him, it is that he would fight for the policies he wants to enact and not capitulate before the battle is joined.

Anyone who is old enough to remember Clinton's first term can remember how they tossed any controversial idea aside the minute it started to look like a political liability. Remember Lani Guinier, who was Bill's first choice for attorney general? Tossed aside.

The health care proposal was designed to avoid controversy (or so they thought)--they took the most progressive ideas for reform off the table before negotiations even began. They thought that would make the Republicans and insurance industry more likely to cooperate, but instead it just made the Clintons look incredibly naive.

Edwards is not embarrassed to advocate for progressive policies. He is not embarrassed to associate himself with unionization efforts. He does not pretend that we can enact good policies by appealing to unity and the common good.

My fear about an Obama presidency is that he would not fight for a real progressive agenda, but would instead (in the name of consensus) move halfway toward the Republican position before negotiations with Congress began. Anyone who thinks the Republicans would cooperate with a Democratic president is living in a dream world.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon May 14, 2007 at 04:02:48 PM EST
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Re: I agree with you in part (3.00 / 0)

Obama is not a DLCer and he won't compromise just to win political points.  I suppose that it is possible that he could compromise on an issue that you feel strongly about and disappoint you.  However I believe that he intends to find solutions to some old problems and he doesn't care if the answers are from the left or the right. His goal is to govern, to implement good policy--not just talk about it.


by aiko on Mon May 14, 2007 at 09:52:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I agree with you in part (none / 0)

I also agree with you but perhaps, where Edwards would need to "fight" for his proposals, Obama may not have to "fight" so hard to get it down.  

It simply comes down to a difference in styles.  Edwards will need to show that he can build concensus before I'd vote for him.  Some people can tell you to go to hell with such elan that you find yourself asking for directions.  This is Obama's strength, not Edwards'.


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by noquacks on Wed May 16, 2007 at 09:24:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I respectfully disagree (none / 0)

I think your post does a good job of illustrating the difference between Obama supporters and Edwards supporters:  

Edwards supporters are highly partisan and think the solution to the Bush/Rove years is to "turn the tables" on the Repubs.  Play to the Dem base, win control of both houses of the Congress and the White House, and then ram as much progressive legislation down the conservatives throats as possible.

I see the logic, but I think it is a misread of the current political ethos in the country, and  misunderstanding of how Congress really works.  I do not believe there is a large enough progressive base to sustain such a strategy.  Self-identified liberals are only about 20% of the population.  Self-identified conservatives are more like 30-35%.  In order for Dems to be successful for the long term, we have to build our "brand" and we have to deliver concrete improvements in peoples lives.  We need to rehabilitate the terms liberal and/or progressive.  I think persuasion is a better way to do that than confrontation.

Regarding Congress, Dems have always been more diverse and easier to intimidate than Repubs because of the Repubs natural advantage in campaign finance. I think it will be very difficult to get major progressive legislation through the Senate with a highly partisan, very confrontational strategy.  In order to break down the Repubs party discipline and strategy of obstruction in the Senate, we are going to need a Dem president who can generate a lot of grass-roots pressure underneath Repub Senators.  The fact that Obama can talk to moderates and even some conservatives in ways that make sense to them and that don't automatically provoke their instict to fight, will be a crucial advantage.

Too many in the progressive netrooters think that progressiveness can be measured by policy proposals.  I believe that progressiveness should be measured by what a candidate would actually be able to get passed, once in office.  Obviously this calls for speculation.  My instinct, based on thirty years in progressive circles and lobbying for progressive causes in three states under seven different Governors, is that Obama would be very effective.  


by upper left on Wed May 16, 2007 at 10:02:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I respectfully disagree (none / 0)

This comment is so good, it should be a diary.  You're right about the Edwards supporter's agenda being more partisan and confrontational (unlike Edwards himself who I believe is really a less partisan and confrontational politician but he has made a 2008 positioning decision to go to the far left and a defined base).  This is because I think their priority is pushing progressive policies/ideas instead of taking back the White House (an observation, not a judgment).

I would also add that HRC's agenda is more tempered but that her style and persona are more partisan and confrontational.


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by mboehm on Wed May 16, 2007 at 11:05:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I respectfully disagree (none / 0)

i concur- this comment should be worked up into a piece. would catapult to the rec. list


by the green and bold on Wed May 16, 2007 at 11:08:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I respectfully disagree (none / 0)

I have been working on a Diary along these lines for a couple of days. I will try to finish it tonight.  Thanks for the kind words.


by upper left on Wed May 16, 2007 at 11:41:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I respectfully disagree (none / 0)

Your experience is important, but I worry that you gained it working in an era when movement conservatism was on the rise. The percentages of self-identified liberals and conservatives were reversed ten years before you started getting involved. Besides, even though more people identify themselves as conservatives, that doesn't mean much in terms of policy. Over 50% percent self-identified conservatives support raising taxes to support free health insurance to all Americans.


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by clarkent on Wed May 16, 2007 at 12:28:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is a Reaganesque quality (none / 0)

Part of this is that too many people place too much importance on the specifics of the policies candidates offer.  Look, whether we end up with Barack, Hillary, or Edwards, they all will try to push through health care reform and none of their specific plans are going to be adopted exactly as they may be articulated in the primary.  That's just the simple reality of how the government works.  So what is more important is which candidate will be the most successful in bringing everyone to the table for once and actually get something done.  Hillary was not able to do this during Bill's administration and I don't see Edwards as having better tools to get this done than Obama.  

If you listen beyond the specifics to the actual philosophies articulated over the span of their careers, Obama is probably the most liberal of the three.  He also has the best approach to be effective in bringing consensus to actually solve a number of our problems.


by dougdilg on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:05:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

On the other hand, the more ... (none / 0)

... substantial the policy they run with, the more clout they will have to get something close to what they ran with ... as we saw in '92, if its meaningless generalities and platitudes, you have to first create the framework and then campaign for it from scratch.


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by BruceMcF on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:42:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

I think Hillary will fade all by herself, with no need for Obama to go after her. Edwards is his real competition.


by Mystylplx on Mon May 14, 2007 at 02:45:38 PM EST

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

very interesting take... if your comment was a check, I'd sprint to the bank.


by the green and bold on Mon May 14, 2007 at 02:58:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I really doubt that (none / 0)

is there anything about her campaign that appears to be fading?

She's no Howard Dean (in a good and bad way :)).

Its really really hard for me to see anything stopping until/ unless she loses in Iowa.


by okamichan13 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 05:44:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She definitely seems to be stalled ... (none / 0)

... I don't know how much she is fading ... pollster.com looks like a small fade, but it was only to 1 May last I checked. Insider Advantage's SC looks like a fade, but we don't have a previous poll from the same firm to know whether it has a built in lean to Obama.


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by BruceMcF on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:40:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She definitely seems to be stalled ... (none / 0)

Just look at what her numbers were when the campaign began. Then look at where they are now. Hillary's husbands coat-tails will only pull her so far....

And nine months to go....


by Mystylplx on Tue May 15, 2007 at 04:28:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

fair enough, rssrai. I might argue that "level headed" or "cool demeanor" does not equate with "soft", but I certainly see your point.


by the green and bold on Mon May 14, 2007 at 02:57:22 PM EST

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

Also, this piece from The New Yorker a couple of week's back got very little play on the internet.  But it also provides a vivid portrayal of Obama as a conciliator.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/ 05/07/070507fa_fact_macfarquhar

by Lancaster94 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 02:58:49 PM EST

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

It got a lot of play on the internet.


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by clarkent on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:30:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama can give 'em hell, too... (3.00 / 1)

Check out some of these strong statements from Obama's Kansas City appearance (my emphasis)...

    Truman's stomping ground, "give `em hell" country, and that's exactly what Barack Obama did Saturday afternoon: He rousingly gave `em hell.

    He played off the enthusiasms of a fervent crowd of 2,000 in a downtown hotel ballroom to lambaste President Bush's policy in Iraq, noting the Democratic effort to use legislation to bring troops home in a phased withdrawal is meeting an impenetrable stone wall: the president's veto.

    "I don't think we are going to change George Bush's mind," Obama said. "He doesn't seem to be someone who examines the facts."

    Obama has been arguing all along that the solution to the war in Iraq is a political one and the lengthy presence of American troops will do nothing to solve the impasse among the various Iraqi ethnic groups. He asserts the solution is political, not military.

    ...

    Obama reiterated his own theme that Americans need to find a unity of mind amongst themselves and also to reach out to the rest of the world to resolve issues such as global warming, the debacle in Darfur and nuclear proliferation. We need to mend our relationships abroad, he explained.

    "The day this president steps down, the rest of the world will breathe a sigh of relief," Obama said.

    He also called for the closing of Guantanamo -- the American military base in Cuba where putative al-Qaida terrorists are imprisoned: "Why don't we say we don't do torture, we don't do rendition, that's not who we are as a people."

    He concluded with another theme he regularly invokes: that America needs to be transformed into a country that expresses humanity and "core decency" so it can remain a "beacon of hope" to the rest of the world.


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by Vermonter on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:30:14 PM EST

11th Commandment (none / 0)

Reagan's 11th Commandment was to not attack any other Republican.  Therefor if Obama is the new Reagan he can't attack Hillary, it is against the 11th Commandment


by Obama08 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 04:38:04 PM EST

Hmmm (3.00 / 1)

Reagan attacked other Republicans while he was running, he was just damn good at doing it with a smile on his face.

Personally beyond style similarities saying "Obama is the new Reagan" seems like more of an insult. I guess it depends on what you think of Reagan.


by okamichan13 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 05:46:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hah nevermind (3.00 / 0)

Des already this much better than me below :).


by okamichan13 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 05:49:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 11th Commandment meant don't ... (none / 0)

... attack Reagan or his allies ... Reagan's allies attacked fellow Republicans all the time.


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by BruceMcF on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:41:24 AM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

Interesting.  George Will makes a good point.  

My feeling on the issue is, Obama needs to get youth to the polls or caucus.  Part of why I'm guessing he's lower than he really is in polls is because he has the 'youth' factor.  If he can make youth vote more than they usually do, the polls aren't measuring the youth vote correctly, and the outcome is different than the polling.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon May 14, 2007 at 06:02:31 PM EST

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

is being like reagan a good thing?


by bruh21 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 07:23:31 PM EST

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

To the extent that it would be nice to have a progressive Democrat win in a landslide and completely change the electoral map -- yes.  :)  Point taken though.


by HSTruman on Mon May 14, 2007 at 10:36:49 PM EST
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As a movement builder and successful pol., (none / 0)

yes, as far as the movement he actually built and the policies he succeeded in getting implemented, no.


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by BruceMcF on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:44:13 AM EST
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Re: As a movement builder and successful pol., (3.00 / 1)

i was just joking- sorry didn't make that clear. although it does take a mental double take to think of reagan as someone to emulate


by bruh21 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 06:59:42 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

Obama can make his point about his appeal as opposed to Hillary subtly. In his tv ads he can talk about how he wants to cpmpete for every state and every siwng voter comparing hiself with Hillary's image without mentioning her name.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Mon May 14, 2007 at 07:36:59 PM EST

you're right, obama (3.00 / 1)

can pretty much stand on his own without directly confronting Hillary.


by the green and bold on Mon May 14, 2007 at 07:47:04 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

Not sure he's Reagan yet, but he has the potential to be.

I think the Democrats make a mistake in underestimating the candidate who speaks in broad, general terms but is able to inspire.

I hear it now: "Obama doesn't have a plan for this or that." But, at this point, he doesn't have to have a plan for everything. Just a general direction.

We have to stop nominating wonks. They rarely win.


by Bush Bites on Mon May 14, 2007 at 08:46:32 PM EST

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Since only two Democrats have won in the past four decades, it seems that we simple rarely win, full stop.

And both Democrats we have elected within the past forty years have been wonks.


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by BruceMcF on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:46:21 AM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

Bill Clinton was rare in that he could inspire and be a wonk at the same time.  Carter, not so much.  Then look at who we put up that lost.

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  • Mondale
  • Dukakis
  • Gore (in his 2000, highly managed form)
  • Kerry

Not one of these candidates was inspiring at all.  All were wonks, but could not communicate their ideas effectively to the public.


"The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country." - Robert F. Kennedy
by dmfox on Tue May 15, 2007 at 03:10:06 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

It is a sad list of losers. And I suppose that I should admit that I voted for all of them--no wonder I am so disillusioned about the dem party--yech!


by aiko on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:23:49 PM EST
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GW seemed to have the ability, when history offered him the opportunity on a silver platter, to inspire without wonkery, but now he is driving his party over the cliff.

And Reagan, the other two termer in the past three decades, combined an ability to inspire ... well, at least large number of people, even if I never felt very inspired ... with an ability to build a movement.

Mondale was not a movement defender, he was a defender of a movement that had already been built, much of it under the leadership of Roosevelt. Dukakis had nothing but wonkery, and still if he had Clinton's approach of counter-attacking quickly and vigorously, he might have won that election against a not-tremendously-popular patrician Republican. And of course, Gore had the wonkery, narrowly won the election, but lose the race to be President anyway.

And as for Kerry, I predict that if we nominate a northeastern liberal Senatorial windbag in 2008, we will lose.


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by BruceMcF on Wed May 16, 2007 at 09:35:09 AM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

From an historical standpoint, Will may be right. The next Reagan will probably be someon of the left becasue that may be where the country is heading (whether the GOP and the MSM like it or not).
Whether or not 2008 is Obama's year remains to be seen.
by spirowasright on Mon May 14, 2007 at 10:30:41 PM EST

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You guys are a real trip.  


by dkmich on Tue May 15, 2007 at 06:30:45 AM EST

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

I'm supporting Hillary.


by sterkt on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:36:05 PM EST

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

must you?


by the green and bold on Tue May 15, 2007 at 03:35:45 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

Why?  Why? Why?  Even if she can win, she would likely hurt downballot Dems by provoking high conservative turn-out, and depressing turn-out among many Dems. I can understand people supporting Obama or Edwards.  I can even sort of see Richardson, but I completely fail to see why anyone would want to nominate a highly polarizing candidate, with very high unfavorables, who would have negative coattails.  It seems crazy to me.


by upper left on Wed May 16, 2007 at 10:18:02 AM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (3.00 / 1)

If Obama wins the nomination, I think it'll be a landslide victory.  He could conceivably carry every state out of the South.  He'd also have a mandate for change, and hobbled Republican Party.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I think she'll eek out a general election victory.  However, the campaign will be brutal, full of personal insults that will make Bush-Kerry look tame.  In the end, it'll be another %51-%49 election because Hillary's negatives are so high.  She'll win, which would be better than any of the R's, but the country will be as polarized as ever.  She'll motivate the R's just enough to guarantee a close finish.


"The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country." - Robert F. Kennedy
by dmfox on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:54:23 PM EST

Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

*outside of the south


"The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country." - Robert F. Kennedy
by dmfox on Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:54:49 PM EST
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Re: George Will: Obama the new Reagan (none / 0)

he'd win a couple in the south, too.
Obama would put Arkansas, Tennessee, and Louisiana into play.
by ArkansasLib on Tue May 15, 2007 at 06:51:44 PM EST
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Re: Falwell r.i.p. An Obama Presidency is Reaganes (3.00 / 1)

basically that Reagan would drive some conservatives (and liberals, to be sure)crazy

What utter bullshit.

Reagan was one of the most rapidly partisan Republicans of his era, and there was nothing about him that drove conservatives crazy.


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:52:58 PM EST

Oh, there were things about him that ... (none / 0)

... drove some Goldwater conservatives crazy, but he forestalled that problem by leading the movement and labelling it Conservative, and since they are so good at followership, "conservative" meant whatever he told them it meant.


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by BruceMcF on Wed May 16, 2007 at 09:37:24 AM EST
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Re: Oh, there were things about him that ... (none / 0)

Sure, but it didn't hurt that he really cut his teeth on the campaign trail by campaigning for Goldwater.


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by clarkent on Wed May 16, 2007 at 12:12:46 PM EST
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perhaps I should find Mr. Will's quote (none / 0)

Personally, I am certainly no expert on how "conservatives" reacted to Reagan.

According to Mr. Will, and I'm 99% sure of the quote in lieu of the transcript of the show, Reagan "drove conservatives crazy", but they "liked him so much" he usually got his way.


by the green and bold on Wed May 16, 2007 at 11:13:11 AM EST
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