Republicans Have To Be Prompted

Hotline released a very interesting poll this week (PDF), which we briefly covered on MyDD. One of the most interesting aspects of the poll is that it included both a generic presidential ballot, and an open-ended question on which candidate voters support for President in 2008. The poll has spurred a lot of discussion at places like Pollster.com and, predictably, Hotline on Call. Over at Hotline, the discussion has mainly focused on why the Democratic Party does so much better on a generic ballot against the Republican Party than specific Democratic candidates like Clinton, Obama and Edwards perform on named, hypothetical trial heat polls against specific Republican candidates like Giuliani and McCain (see here and here for these discussions). However, I think there is something far more interesting in the Hotline poll that has been less discussed, and which is very relevant to Matt's discussion below about why Republicans and conservative are not doing well online in comparison to Democrats and progressives. Specifically, right now voters have to be prompted before they support Republicans, while voters are ready to support Democrats whether or not they are even being asked.

More in the extended entry.

To demonstrate this point, go over to Republican operated Real Clear Politics and check out the six Clinton-Edwards-Giuliani-McCain-Obama general election matchups between the five top tier, high name recognition, Democratic and Republican candidates. In these six matchups, the mean score for the Democratic candidate is 43%, while the mean score for the Republican candidate is 46%, giving the Republicans, on average, a narrow advantage. Now, turn to the open-ended presidential support question on page 10 of the Diageo / Hotline poll. In this question, when all names and other specific prompts are removed from the question, Democrats hold a combined lead of 40%-22%, and each of the top three Democrats defeats both McCain and Giuliani. The key here is that people must be prompted to support specific Republicans, while they do not have to be prompted to support specific Democrats. For their part, Democrats only experience a small, 3% drop-off in support from 43% to 40% when names are removed from the question. By way of contrast, Republicans see more than half of their supporters melt away once prompts are removed, dropping from 46% to 22%.

This gaping difference means three things. First, the Republican coalition is teetering on the brink of total collapse, as less than half of its members are sold on the individuals with the potential to become coalition leaders. Second, Democrats have not yet made the sale to swing disaffected members of the Republican coalition to our side, as otherwise we would maintain our large leads even when names and prompts are included in the question. There is a huge block of disaffected Republican votes out there, making pro-Democratic realignment, which happens to be one of my three end-game goals as a progressive activist, a serious possibility but not yet a realization (progressive infrastructure realignment and progressive ideological realignment are the other two goals). Third, and this relates to Matt's discussion, it means that at the current point in time, progressive and Democratic voters / activists are politically engaged, committed, and self-starting to a degree far surpassing conservative and Republican voters / activists. Generally speaking, the Internet, and online political activism, does not come to you--you must seek it out yourself without anyone telling you to do so. Right now, there is a huge difference in prompted vs. non-prompted support between the two coalitions, and Democrats hold a dominating edge among support that comes without prompting. As much as any other reason, that is why Democrats are currently dominating the world of online politics. Republicans have to be prompted to support their own, and that does not translate into much activism in the world of online politics.

I have to wonder how much of this difference in self-starting support and activism is connected to, ironically enough, how, as former Bush chief strategist Matthew Dowd has complained, after the attacks on 9/11 Bush never called on the American people to do anything more than go shopping. There were droves of conservatives waiting for a moment like 9-11 and a resulting "war on something big and evil" to give meaning to their lives commensurate with generations who lived during WWII or the cold war. Last year, Christopher Hayes wrote a great piece on how the connection between the extreme WWII worship of the 1990's was connected to the culture of many staunch supporters of "war on terror" over the past five plus years. Bush could have at least tapped into that sentiment, which probably would have led to a huge boom in online activism for conservatives and Republicans, but he never did. Why not? The fact is that the Republican coalition is currently led by elitists who have no faith in the general American population, who are in fact scared of the general American population, and who set up a large, power-grabbing infrastructure designed to maintain a minority-supported government indefinitely. From telling people to just go shopping after 9/11, to hundreds of signing statements, the Patriot Act, listening to every phone call made by American citizens, revoking constitutional rights, an endlessly powerful executive branch, record-breaking fundraising from wealthy donors, the K-Street project, gerrymandered maps, voter suppression, stolen elections, the Republican Noise Machine, the pundit payola scandal, Orwellian language, firing US Attorneys who don't abide by a partisan agenda, outing the undercover CIA spouses of political opponents, using government spending as a political tool rather than sound public policy, playing on people's fears and fabricating WMD evidence to start a war, and never listening to the will of the people even after massive electoral defeats, the Bush administration has done everything in its power to tune out, discourage and otherwise mute the effectiveness of the self-starting capabilities of the American people. Not only has this put half of the Republican coalition in danger of bolting altogether, but it has also probably made it clear to even many loyal Bush supporters that, in order to truly demonstrate their loyalty, the best thing they can do is shut up and not take activism to support their leaders. After the past seven years, how could even loyal Republicans have the impression that their leaders want independent action taken on their behalf? The Republican and conservative rank and files might do want they are told, when prompted, but otherwise don't expect much action from them these days. There is hardly a single entrepreneurial idea left in their still consistently thinning ranks.

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Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (3.00 / 1)

It means people are more willing to support named Democratic candidates, but the flipside of that is that there are a lot of people out there who will vote for a Republican purely to stop a Democrat.

I think all the jubilation about a Democratic advantage is premature. If it's there next March, that's great (although even that's not decisive - McGovern led Nixon in the polls for a while) but I think it's going to be a titanic struggle to win the White House - if the Republican coalition fractures, it's more likely to happen after a narrow defeat than to precede the election and grant the Democrats a massive victory.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:50:02 PM EST

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I don't think McGovern ever led Nixon, but that is a side issue.

I think you are right that the 2008 election could end up being a referendum on the Democratic nominee. But I also think we are developing structural advantages in terms of money, activism and even media that will allow our advantage to grow, or at least stay the same, over the next year.
by Chris Bowers on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:13:58 PM EST
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Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

So what happens if Democrats fail to make the case to disaffected Republicans, but Lieberman/Bloomberg/Hagel/etc. find a way?  At first glance, it seems like mostly the Republican side splinters which is, at least short term, a victory.  But if Democrats can't figure out what to do with these people, then what happens long term?


by Lucas O'Connor on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:59:38 PM EST

Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

We don't need them all--just picking up one-quarter of them is enough for a long-term realignment.

If we fail to acquire any significant amount, then the country reverts back to being nearly evenly split. A huge opportunity will have been wasted.
by Chris Bowers on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:11:24 PM EST
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Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

This is why if we can win in '08, get more senators, and pass a good UHC plan (i.e. Edwards's plan :) ), then we can give those quarter of disaffected republicans a tangible benefit received from having a progressive governing coalition.

I think it'd be the next New Deal coalition.


by adamterando on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:20:43 PM EST
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Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

Yeah, pulling out of Iraq and passing universal health care under a Democratic trifecta, and with vociferous Republican opposition, could cement a realignment for a long, long time. It could make 2012 a repeat of 1936, when Republicans promised to dismantle Social Security. From that election forward, Republicans failed to hold the trifecta for another 66 years.
by Chris Bowers on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:24:03 PM EST
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Don't forget the 83rd congress. n/t (none / 0)


by andgarden on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:32:34 PM EST
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Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

Oh that would be grand. Especially since I plan to live to be 95, so if the 66 year interlude repeated itself, I'd never have to live through a GOP trifecta ever again!


by adamterando on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:37:55 PM EST
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Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

What good is it to try and pick up a coalition of disaffected Republicans?

First of all, the base is unhappy, but will come home long before the election, no matter what happens between now and then. All predictions about the Republican base either defecting or sitting on their hands will be proven false!

We have the 2006 elections as a perfect proof of this! Despite the abysmal performance of Bush and his administration, Republicans voted in similar proportions to 2004. They were just swamped by independents joining Democrats.

If the right-wing core of the Republican party can stay together through failure in Iraq, Katrina, Foleygate and other endless scandals, economic malaise and the limitless failures of Bush, they will stand anything! As one Colorado Republican voter said on PBS: "I'm not happy but I just don't view the Democrats as a serious governing party."

There's nowhere for him to go, no matter how badly the Republicans screw up.

Second, these idiots cannot be won over to any progressive agenda: they want punitive racist measures against immigrants, imperial wars abroad (except we must WIN this time by any means necessary -- including Nukes), war on drugs at home, and an authoritarian "daddy state" that can "keep us safe from terrorism" by spying on everybody and suppressing dissent.

These are seriously frightened people who would vote for Mussolini if he were running on the Republican ticket today.

Screw them! They're the useless 1/3 or our country and nothing short of a lobotomy is going to educate them or make them welcome change.

We don't need them and won't get them anyway. They will turn out and grit their teeth to vote against Hillary.

Democrats need to prove to independents that they are serious about changing the rules so that we have jobs and health care at home and peace abroad.

That's the only way we will win.


by Cugel on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 01:49:58 PM EST
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Bush like to compare himself to Truman (none / 0)

I don't think he's right, but the comparison of 2008 to 1948 can't be ignored. We can't sit back and just expect to win big.


by andgarden on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:03:15 PM EST

Re: Bush like to compare himself to Truman (none / 0)

I think most everyone agrees with you, which is why Democrats are still so damn active, even after a major victory like 2006.
by Chris Bowers on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:11:59 PM EST
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Candidate Review (none / 0)

In my opinion, your assessment that the Republican coalition is on the verge on collapse.  If the elections were this week then any Republican candidate would have turn out problems.  What are the implications for our candidates?

John Edwards and Barack Obama would pick up a larger share of evangelical and church going voters.  Bill Richardson would be able to take a slice out of the Republican money faction.

Hillary Clinton, however, would revive the Republican coalition.


by Hellmut on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:15:23 PM EST

Correction (none / 0)

Sorry, the first sentence should read: In my opinion, your assessment that the Republican coalition is on the verge on collapse is correct.


by Hellmut on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:16:17 PM EST
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Re: Correction (none / 0)

thanks for the correction. I wasn't sure what you meant.

I agree, obviously, with what you write. I was worried that when Democrats took Congress, the image of Republicans would improve. So far, it hasn't. In fact, it has even gotten slightly worse.
by Chris Bowers on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:21:05 PM EST
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Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

It'll be interesting to see what happens if we lose in 2008.  I don't think the right will be able to advance their agenda; in fact it seems more likely that progressives will continue to increase our power, though at a slower rate.


by Matt Stoller on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:29:44 PM EST

Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

It's hard for me to see circumstances in which they win.  I see us getting Ohio and Arkansas this time.  I can only see them winning if Giuliani wins, he is able to hold onto most of the base, and picks up Penn, Connecticut, and New Jersey.  Thats a pretty unlikely scenario, in my opinion.

Oh, and to test your own theories- 270towin.com


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by jallen on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:45:21 PM EST
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Early adopters (none / 0)

There's another factor in play. My right wing friends use the Internet plenty to spread the word and advance their agenda, much like you'd use a shotgun to stop someone who just busted down your door and is screaming about killing you; that is, as a ready tool that's close at hand and does the job.

Endlessly forwarded Email, bone-headed Power Point presentations, and so on -- these are the methods of earnest but unsophisticated types who have not mastered much about technology and don't want to, probably feel a little queasy about the whole thing. They are always going to be a few years behind, because newer technologies aren't something they naturally or inherently embrace.

Chris's term entrepreneurial is at the heart of it. It's a cultural attitude and willingness to adopt new communications technologies early, not just for their instrumental uses, but because it's fun experimenting with them. This is related to age as well. When something comes up, my attitude and my daughters' as well is "Let's start a blog on it, whatever". I don't see that on the right.


by MikeB on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 05:08:16 PM EST

Can these disaffected Republicans be turned... (none / 0)

...without throwing over progressive principles like not screwing over poor people, brown people and gay people in some way?


by MNPundit on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 08:36:02 PM EST

Yes (none / 0)

There is ideological overlap between progressives and elements of the Republican coalition.

The evangelicals can be turned on poverty.  Members of the business wing can be turned with good government, accountability, balanced budgets and a realist foreign policy.

In terms of precedent, the Jim Webb campaign comes to mind.


by Hellmut on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 09:40:55 PM EST

Their Talk Radio Juggernaut STILL Trumps All (none / 0)

I think Dem activists who don't listen to talk radio don't realize what a all-powerful weapon it is for the GOP right.  They have pirated nearly the entire AM radio dial with 24/7 disinformation agitprop that dupes 50 million Americans and swung the past 5 out of 6 elections - this according to the prestigious Annenberg School at Penn (funded by the conservo TV Guide fortune) who have studied talk radio for a dozen years, and find massive "false certainty" on most every issue.  Listeners still don't believe that the radio would be able to lie to them so baldly and prolifically, the very definition of the Big Lie.

Dems have already lost time when they should be having semi-permanent high profile hearings to educate the public to exactly how their politics became so false and nasty. Rep. Kucinish had promised Ed Schultz on his show to hold hearings but has been subsumed by his Presidential campaign.  Pressure needs to be applied unceasingly to the media corps who intend to keep AM talk slanted entirely to the lying far right because they provide tax breaks and outright licensing bribes (02 and 04) to play rightist hardball.  

Unless the Dems are willing to play just as hard and not stop hammering them, then the rightist talk juggernaut will react to quash every Dem initiative and candidate.  They simply hold the balance of power in this country, with a disinformation monolith that would astound Goebbels himself.


by gregrocker on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 02:53:59 AM EST

Re: Their Talk Radio Juggernaut STILL Trumps All (none / 0)

Actually, the talk radio "juggernaut" didn't do much in 2006 did it? The screeching heads predicted doom and the advent of the anti-Christ if Democrats took power, but they did anyway.

The people who listen to talk radio are virtually all Republicans. It's a closed-circuit cult. Their "ignorance is strength" motto appeals to the authoritarian lovers among the right.

You can take it for granted that they will rally the base once again in 2008, especially if Hillary runs, but in any case.

Democrats simply have to fight back as best they can, seize control of the White House and then push serious anti-trust regulation against the right-wing media monolith. They are only a few consolidated monster corporations. Break them up and force them to sell off media assets in different markets through anti-trust action and de-licensing procedures. Then see that the licenses are sold to local interests through competitive bidding.

Make media control a public issue and the people will be behind it.

But, this cannot begin until there's a Democratic President and Democrats control Congress.


by Cugel on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 02:02:33 PM EST
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Re: Republicans Have To Be Prompted (none / 0)

Relevant quotes for this strategist: Democrats have not yet made the sale to swing disaffected members of the Republican coalition to our side, as otherwise we would maintain our large leads even when names and prompts are included in the question.
THE CANDIDATE WHO WILL BRING THEM IN ON AN ANTI-FREE TRADE PLATFORM/REAL FAMILY VALUES PLATFORM IS JOHN EDWARDS.

There is a huge block of disaffected Republican votes out there, making pro-Democratic realignment, which happens to be one of my three end-game goals as a progressive activist, a serious possibility but not yet a realization
tHE CANDIDATE WHO APPEALS TO DISAFFECTED REPUBLICANS IS A BRAVE HANDSOME ARTICULATE FAMILY MAN WITH GREAT PROGRESSIVE POLITICS: jOHN eDWARDS.


by lauren on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:51:46 AM EST


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