Where are the Republicans.com?

There's an interesting and honest conversation on the right side of the blogosphere among GOP internet strategists on the state of online politics.  For most of the 1990s, the GOP was dominant online, and it is still very powerful if you consider someone like Drudge part of the GOP internet world.  Starting in 1998, though, and increasingly into 2004, the left caught up and surpassed what the right had.  And now, it's conventional wisdom that progressives use the internet much more successfully than the right-wing.

This conversation sprung from the Q1 fundraising numbers, which is the first clear head-to-head example of how the Republican Presidentials are getting their heads handed to them online.  Rob Bluey of the Heritage Foundation couldn't get any GOP campaign to reveal their online fundraising numbers, and he notes what a lot of right-wingers lament - the lack of online infrastructure on the right.  Bluey also quotes Joe Trippi saying that the right will catch up to the left but it will take years because of our 'head start'.  This is a change from what Trippi predicted a few years ago to a few of us privately, when he said that the right would, like they did with direct mail, be dominant online fairly quickly.

Others have picked up the thread, most notably William Beutler and Mike Turk.  William Beutler, a smart right-winger who has been observing this space for years, notes that the most innovative attempt this cycle on the right, McCainspace, isn't working because of its closed and hierarchical nature, something that Todd Zeigler points out as well.  Much of the analysis centers on the notion that the GOP doesn't listen or won't use the internet, though Beutler also says that the lack of a primary in 2004 contributed to the woeful right-wing online sphere.  Currently, Rightroots has raised around $400, versus around $4 million for Actblue.

There is something deep and weird going on.  VC Fred Wilson blogged that the Republican candidates just aren't getting very much web traffic.  And if you look at the top three Democratic candidates, the donor numbers are coming in roughly in proportion to the number of unique visitors they are getting.  I can't really tell because Alexa isn't particularly reliable and Comscore is incomplete, but if you are trying to figure out the conversion rate of unique visitor to donor it looks like Edwards is overperforming, Obama is slightly underperforming, and Clinton is on target.  This makes sense, as Edwards had the smartest asks (his Coulter-cash ask did very well) and the lowest web traffic, Clinton did a middling job but did ask with high traffic, and Obama's team took pride in not asking very often.  Regardless, how your online operation performs matters only at the margins, since internet donations (and direct mail) suggest a broader cultural and messaging resonance.  Edwards, Clinton, and Obama all have that.  No GOP candidate does, at least online.

Mike Turk, the eCampaign Director for Bush-Cheney 2004, blogged what I think is important to understand.

First, and most important, is the fact that we simply do not engage in the same type of activities online.  At the RNC and on the Bush Campaign, we took a look at the type of sites that were more commonly trafficked by voters from each party.  We did polling to look at partisan behavior on the web in an effort to determine why the Democrats were successful at raising money online.

The nature of the polling was aimed at answering a simple question.  We had data that indicated Republicans were more likely to spend money online with e-commerce sites.  There was a great comfort with buying online, but that had not extended to giving to campaigns.  Needless to say, this seemed odd.  If people were willing to give their credit card info via a website, why wouldn't they contribute that way?

We began to look at the patterns of behavior for partisans on both sides.  On the GOP side, the sites visited tended toward e-commerce and sites that reflected individual pursuits.  On the Dem side, we saw a lot more sites like Blue Mountain Greetings or social sites (blogs, greeting cards, and collective activities).

Those differences drove my pursuit of tools and activities that freed volunteers to participate from home without ever looping through the campaign.  There just wasn't a lot of interest, among Republicans online, in social networking activities via the web.  There was a lot of interest in social networking offline through house parties and such.  That was illustrated by the fact that we had upwards of 5,000 to 8,000 Parties during our national party days (versus 2-3k for MoveOn and the Dean campaign).

Republicans were simply not as interested in virtual networking - they do most of it in the real world. (Understand, like any polling, this was a snapshot in time.  These findings may not hold true today, but I believe they do).

Turk goes on to lament the state of GOP strategy online.

The trouble is not the Internet strategists, it is a party that doesn't believe its people will step up and participate if they are invited to do so.  If you're cynical, you could make an argument that it is a party that doesn't trust its people enough to let them participate.

I've been digging into this question, of why the left is winning online, for years now.  It's not easy to answer, since the tools we use are accessible to anyone.  On the one hand, you can argue that it's the practical experience of using these tools that determines your success, and the GOP just is not that experienced.  In 2008, or 2010, someone on the right will figure it out and bring the internet magic to the party.

On the other hand, and this is what I believe, the internet's rise in politics is part of a larger shift in the nature of our political system that is radically reshaping both parties.  The Democratic Party is 'ahead' not in the sense that its masters have learned the new tools, but because the party is becoming much more open and aligned around a left-wing ideology that is ascendant in America.  The Republican Party will go through this shift as well, maybe in two years, maybe in four, or six, but it will catch up with modern America.  But it's going to be a very different structure with different leaders than it is today, either much more aligned with a Perotista anti-immigrant base or more left-wing and aligned with a multi-cultural America.



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Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

Republicans prefer parties.  I actually found this myself among Democratic voters in 2004 when I was running a Voter ID program for Wes Clark in Washington State.  People signed up to do the calls willingly enough, but 3 out of 4 didn't do them.  I know I took from the experience that people needed more than the opportunity to volunteer, but needed the comraderie of having done so. Other campaign must have gotten better about providing those rewards.  I'd be curious to know what they did.


by Ms American Pie on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:18:00 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (3.00 / 3)

I think it has a lot to do with feeling disenfranchised and out of power.  During the last years of the Clinton Presidency, FreeRepublic was a large and well-trafficked website (for its time), driven in large part by right wingers who felt disenfranchised from the Clinton Presidency.

Once Bush won, and especially once Bush started pushing the Iraq war, the feelings of disenfranchisement among progressives were created.   Unlike the the Freepers in the late 90's, we didn't even have COngress . And we had a President who openly dissed progressives as part of his divide and conquer 51% strategy.  Those feelings of disenfranchisment, that there was no significant voice anywhere in government that represented your views, and also that you have a media that more and more frequently was failing to represent your views, led to the explosion of the Progressive blogosphere.  

The prgoressive blogosphere is now strong enough to transcend the disenfrachiment that led to its creation, Just like Talk Radio survived having a Republican president, and even grew, the progressive blogosphere will survive and grow with a Democratic President.  It is far too strong to kill.


by pontificator on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:19:36 PM EST

I think that's it (3.00 / 1)

And furthermore, there's a cautionary lesson implicit in this - we shouldn't get complacent as our electoral victories increase.


by Malacandra on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:07:36 PM EST
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Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

On an individual basis, most Republicans are very nice people, and are just as progressive as Dems, except for a couple of hot-buttons.

If you were one of those Republicans, would you want to associate yourself with people whose spokesmen are Rush, O'Reilly, Coulter, and Robertson? Why would you want to toss money in that direction? Most of your values are being reflected by the Democrats, anyhoo.


by episty on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:26:30 PM EST

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"On an individual basis, most Republicans are very nice people, and are just as progressive as Dems, except for a couple of hot-buttons."

Never thought of it that way. Thanks. This makes sense when taken into consideration the heirarchical top-down nature of GOP and conservatism in general.

I know a lot of the same types you do, and you are dead right. They jump on the dimmest of wedges to justify voting for a "daddy" type leader who simplifys complex issues, blackens the grays and makes them feel safe. Maybe there is just a type of person/people hardwired to a desire for patriarchal leadership. This kind of leadership (and 'followership') is certainly not limited to the GOP, but at this time thats where it is most available, and best packaged.

Maybe open source activism just fits better with a liberal/left mindset.

I have no clue as to why the left is better at fundraising on line. But for GOP/conservative activism, a simple answer might also be that at this peak of radical right ascendency, they have arrived at power. They are in paid think-tank jobs and elected offices and are too busy to blog effectively.


by otto schmidlap on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:01:24 PM EST
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Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

Many individual GOPers may be nice people, but the party itself is authoritarian and likes to tightly control everything.  They couldn't tolerate the freelancing aspects of the progressive blogosphere.  Act Blue was not party-designed, same with many other tools that have facilitated giving.  Talk radio is perfect for them (input and public expression is tightly controlled), but the internet is much more compatible with progressive politics.  It's true that they don't trust people--look at how much of their structure is based on manipulating and deceiving people.


by Mimikatz on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:33:14 PM EST
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Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (3.00 / 1)

"William Beutler, a smart right-winger who has been..."

Oxymoron.


by global yokel on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:30:36 PM EST

They really do have their own media (3.00 / 3)

so they don't depend so heavily on the net. Rush Limbaugh on the radio, Fox News on TV. Progressives and Dems have nothing really comparable.  Also our actual experience of being effective through online action -- the Dean explosion, the 2006 elections, MoveOn actions -- has cemented the relationship.

The right wing's online 'victories' consist solely of scalp collections: Dan Rather, Eason Jordan. Meanwhile, their party has collapsed through the effects of reality bigger than RedState.

There's also the actual structure of the Republican Party to take into account: Its funding and direction is very top-down. The local committees take direction from the state party, and those take direction from the national party to a much greater degree than among Dems.  So the unwillingness to trust their base is quite real, and will need to be overcome -- probably by a successful candidate rather than the party itself, on the Dean model.


by Nell on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:31:11 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

Interesting to see the Bushies' analysis of things. There are a couple problems with Comment #2's take: (1) the momentum for Progressives started during Monicagate; the wingnut sites generated more hits, but a loosely collaborative set of sites quickly established themselves. Salon.com also was an important player--it exposed various hypocracies and  its bulletin boards were a breeding ground for participatory journalism (Bush & the national guard) and future bloggers like TBogg. (2) The structure of the right wing blogosphere is less participatory and more hierarchical and will remain so unless there emerges some movement to wrest control of the Right or at least the GOP from the Religious Right and the neocons. It's important to remember that the conservative Braintrust consists largely of people who have been a round since the 60s and are becoming quite elderly. The younger generation are  zealots with no real ideas of their own, but a dangerous amount of energy and authoritarianism. A lot of bad things can still emerge from the Right and further threaten our democracy. OTOH, the intellectual vacuum creates an opportunity for new forces to emerge. The less lockstep elements of the Evangelical movement might be the beginning of one group that fills this void. (3) Whether they are in power or not, the Right acts like an embattled minority. That behavior won't change. It was enough to fortify a movement in the 90s, but it can't grow a movement that has lost sway with people outside of its core group. The Right needs new blood to really mobilize the blogosphere and it will require new ideas and people and some openness to participation or--and this should worry us--a new threat that somehow energizes the authoritarian structure that remains.


by rich on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:35:55 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

they are there if you look for em and they have a very very private way of going about their business.  one such firm is campaign solutions located in alexandria virginia run by rebecca donatelli.  check out their client list, especially for congress....


by thebrillbrigade on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:44:55 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

If one takes the talk of the authoritarian personality seriously, it has a lot of implications for the republican's behavior on the web.  As followers who seek out strong authority figures, they don't use the web the way we do.  And at this point in the election cycle, where there is no clearly annointed leader, they do not know who to follow.  They may have preferences among McCain, Romney, etc., but they do not see their role to participate in choosing who should lead.  They are waiting to be told who to follow.  Hence their contributions to the repubs at this point are much lower.


by Alan S on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:57:57 PM EST

Current Repukeliscum (none / 0)

are mostly morons.  The stupidity of the right-wingers today is just absolutely overwhelming.  Intelligent, high-tech persons are today overwhelmingly democratic.


by dataguy on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:03:52 PM EST

Re: Current Repukeliscum (none / 0)

The key to your comment is "right wingers TODAY". It wasn't always so. I remember shows like firing line, and even early George Will on the ABCs This Week w/Brinkley. That kind of reasoned dialog is just impossible now with these schmucks. Why? because years ago progressives WON the reasoned debate.

The wingers read up on Goebbles, and Orwell, and got busy with Direct Mail (remember NCPAC and the closeted aids-ravaged self hating Terry Dolan?) and here we are.


by otto schmidlap on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:15:46 PM EST
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Last 5-10 years (none / 0)

Ever since the hard edge of the Repukeliscum has been ascendant, starting with the Contract with America and the love affair with supply-side economics, dynamic scoring and the Christian fascists, the repukeliscum have begun to be stupider and stupider.  

Today, it's hard to find a single issue on which intelligence is given credit by the Repukeliscum.

And it's deliberate.  They CHOOSE to sound like morons, and to pick positions of stupidity.  That's why I call them the Repukeliscum.


by dataguy on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:06:05 PM EST
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Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (3.00 / 1)

Don't think that the Republican system isn't there. It's just a very closed system, with a different set of tools versus a very open system for progressives.

And remember that Republicans have extraordinarily effective ways of doing organizing through prayer groups, fundamentalist churches, local chambers of commerce, and robust local party organizations.

There is an incredible amount of messaging that gets out through forwarded emails, that are going to a local list of friends which constantly criticize Democrats, the liberal media, Hollywood, and gays, while supporting the troops and the President, and reminding us constantly that Muslims want to kill us all.

Republican fund-raising, by contrast, still seems extraordinarily wedded to direct mail, which has relatively high costs compared to the returns.


by Aeolus on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:09:05 PM EST

Excuses (3.00 / 1)

I guess it depends.  Are we just talking about raising money here?  Self organizing?  Media manipulation?

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It also underscores earlier observations that Republicans don't have an online game like the Democrats. The reason for that probably has a lot to do with the fact that in 2004 there was no Republican scrum and hence no proving ground for online Republican strategists.

In 2004 there was indeed a Republican scrum, Arlen Specter vs. Pat Toomey.

I had moved to Pennsylvania right after the 2004 elections and had a chance to observe the Republican PA blogosphere.  Locally, they were light-years ahead of anything we had at that point, at least as far as manipulating local media goes.

They had PoliticsPA and GrassrootsPA, two sites that were far more effective than anything Democrats had at the local level.

Toomey had a TON of grassroots support in the state -- it was very much like Lamont/Lieberman in CT last year.

But they never really DID anything with it.  I certainly don't recall the Toomey campaign utlizing any of the tools available to them at the time.  Jerome concured:

But Conservatives shouldn't blame Bush for Specter's winning, a campaign should expect it's opponent to use every piece of its arsenal.  No, the reason why Toomey lost is that his own campaign blew it--they didn't use their entire available arsenal. Toomey's campaign didn't use the netroots that had coalesced surrounding his campaign. The decision-makers in the official campaign of Toomey profoundly under-utilized the internet, both in terms of in-state organizing, communication with supporters, and national fundraising. Toomey lost, and he could have won. They had the opportunity sitting here, and his campaign directors failed him by not grasping it.

As you recall, MeetUp was one of the big innovations during that cycle.  Toomey's campaign did nothing to embrace it.  Jerome noted "Pat Toomey's website doesn't even have a Meetup icon on the site."  Jerome's piece is a good read, especially as he continues into Toomey's use of the web (or lack of) as a communication and fundraising tool.

So what's the real reason we out-preform the Republican side of the aisle online?  I am not exactly sure.  Maybe it's technology.  With ActBlue, you can pick any candidate you'd like to fudnraise for.  The GOP's version picked the original candidates for you.  Maybe it's a trust of the tools?  Dem supporters online see candidates like John Edwards using ActBlue as their sole online campaign contribution agent.  There's a certain level of validation there.  Even in 2004 candidates were using ActBlue exclusively (Jeff Seemann was the first).

Maybe it's the fact that we have better "online story-tellers" and that Republican users as a whole aren't as crazy as Michelle Malkin.

Maybe there is more "buy-in" from our candidates/campaigns/bloggers/strategist s and we've done a better job of "closing the triange" than the Republicans.  

Maybe it's because our campaigns have really embraced and helped build (through campaigns) a thriving local blogosphere in many states across the country: most notable being CT and VA.

Maybe it's the team of 4, 5, 6 or more local bloggers that fill important niches on-the-ground: news consolidation, capturing video online, doing the hard work of getting video at events, community sites like MyLeftNutmeg and others that use SoapBlox?

Maybe it's the relationship between campaigns, the national party and large bloggers?

Maybe it's the relationship between campaigns and local bloggers?

Maybe it's firms like Blue State Digital who create the tools you see on Obama's website, or the tools necessary to pull off the 1 million door knocker canvass the DNC did last year?

Maybe it's because rank and file Republicans felt more complacent than Democrats faced down time after time by a unitary executive and do-nothing Congress?

Maybe it's because our "large bloggers" like Stoller, Markos and others have real life, everyday campaign experience?  Even excellent bloggers like Jane Hamsher lived a life on the trail in CT.

Maybe it's because of research intensive sites like ThinkProgress and Senate Majority Project that share vital information with other bloggers?

Maybe it's the Drum Major institute?

Maybe its BagNewsNotes?

Maybe it's pollster.com?

Maybe it's the way bloggers communicate with eachother in googlegroups?

Maybe it's all of those things that we just do a little (or a lot better) down the line?

Maybe there's more.

Tim


by Tim Tagaris on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:11:32 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (3.00 / 2)

Like Alan S., I think the disparity has to do with the authoritarianism gap.  Republicans visit web sites and passively listen to today's talking points and marching orders.  Democrats visit web sites and interact:  commenting, arguing, questioning authority.

Ask any street musician.  Get 'em interacting with you, joking, making requests, etc., and their wallet's halfway out of their pocket.  Passive listeners pause a moment then go on their way.


by drlimerick on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:13:27 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

This is my take on it, too.   Virtually every wingnut that I know tends to have an obeisance to authority, and simply wouldn't know what to do in any internet forum where ideas are discussed and hashed out.  Such forums and newsgroups would put them in the uncomfortable position of having to examine their received wisdom.

It's also been my observation that the wingnuts I know seem to be ungenerous, self-serving, and selfish.  I'm not trying to bash them, but it has always seemed to me that at the heart of all of their social interactions is a deep rooted sense of "what's in it for me" or a sense of "hey, I'm being screwed".  This tendency also serves to dampen sharing, either of ideas or their pocketbook.  

Couple those tendencies with elitist leaders, who do not want followers questioning their plans, and it's not a surprise to me that there's a paucity of right wing websites.

The World Wide Web is ideal for the scattered coalitions and interests that make up the Democratic party.  We all know that famous saying about "I don't belong to an organized party; I'm a Democrat".  It is the web's very lack of top down organization that appeals to us on the left.  Each of us can take what we like, and leave the rest.  We can all contribute to what or who we want to, and we can easily find the sites we feel most at home at through the extensive cross-linking available at every spot.  Furthermore, because of the openess created by the web, we can all arrive at a common consensus about the overall direction we need to go in.  This allows the sort of participation that makes everyone feel that they are co-owners of the movement.

Given the right wing's penchant for top down organization, they're probably using the web to the fullest extent of their inate capabilities.  I just don't seem them becoming more open, freewheeling, and able to share.  


by grapeshot on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:16:24 PM EST
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Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

I think it's this and then some-- when we look at the picture from a psychological perspective, there is a rich portrait that emerges which this is a symptom of.

I subscribe generally to developmental models of psychological development.  One of my favorite authors on this topic is Robert Kegan, with his extraordinary book, "In Over Our Heads."  

The way many authors frame psychological development is a process of gradually taking more and more things into account as being "worthy of care."  This creates "span-of-care" models of psychological development.  

Typically, people discuss span-of-care from the perspective of a child being primarily ego-centric, to growing to become more ethnocentric, and beyond to be more "worldcentric."  

What could be argued used to be the case was that both parties were relatively similar in terms of level of psychological development, but differed in their approach:  "Left" used to imply a belief that if there was something wrong it could be explained by environmental factors.  "Right" used to imply that if something was wrong, it was the individual's fault.

What has happened in the last  decade or so is that that classical alignment was distorted by the attempt by the right to become, not the party of personal responsibility, which is kind of holding space for the masculine principle (in the strict father/nurturing mother polarity), but to win votes by aligning with the egocentric and ethnocentric.

Remember, Barry Goldwater would have detested this current republican administration, and what republicanism has come to mean.

Karl Rove's strategy, and it was a good one for a while, was to abandon the masculine principle as manifested in party, in many levels of development, and reach out to the egocentric and ethnocentric.

No better thing could have happened, however, for the Democratic party.  Rather than lining up around the battle to woo egocentric and ethnocentric voters (which they still do, but to a lesser extent) they built a party that is starting to coalesce more around more pluralistic and worldcentric visions.  The feminine principle (nurturing mother) is still strong within the party, but some of Bill Clinton's "triangulation" strategies could be explained by borrowing some of the useful healthy masculine principle from the republican party.  

So what is interesting about the internet, is, if we look at our cultural milieu as a school, it is basically a tremendous educational medium that ultimately does a good job of demanding a more global perspective of its readership.  Global perspective in the sense that it is capable of empathizing more effectively with those of different points of view.

So basically, in ignoring worldcentric voters, the Karl Rove strategy ultimately alienated what would largely become the entire culture of the internet age.

Worldcentric culture trusts individuals to self organize, and create emergent networks of culture, meaning, and understanding.  It is a self-organizing mode of being that has less need or use for top-down control.

And the reason right wing talk radio and BillO are still huge, is that the egocentric and enthocentric worldviews (and masculine principle, to some degree) crave a strong voice that will make them feel safe, and tend to scapegoat problems to the "other."  It is not just that republican party leaders don't trust their constituents to self-organize, but also that they are afraid to self-organize!  Trust daddy, trust the Book, I'm evil, can't trust myself or my impulses.

This is a profound time of political transformation, and, the more democrats can learn to work with a balance of healthy feminine and masculine principles, all operating on a self-organizing worldcentric level, the better this will be for our nation, the democratic party, and the globe.  (I see this reflected in Kos' "Libertarian Left" ideas.)

The left-wing blogosphere is just a glimpse of how incredible and powerful an intelligent, informed, connected, self-organizing electorate can be.  

Viva la web!


by spacespace on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:52:07 PM EST
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Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

It is precisely the philosophical difference that makes the donation difference. Today's Republican Party is an authoritarian, even neo fascist, organization and it is not open to discussion. You can get kicked off of any right wing site by disagreeing. The Democratic end of the web spectrum has, in contrast, grown more and more open and inclusive. When you can state your opinion without fear of anything more than a good argument, you participate. The country has always been left of center its just had a long run of corporate control of the flow of information. If they are going to get their mojo back, they've got to stop this conversation. That's why they are opposing an open web and trying to tighten control over journalists.


by johnmorris on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:14:26 PM EST

It's not online vs. offline (none / 0)

It's enthusiastic vs. unenthusiastic.  

We have no numbers on their on-line raising so we can't compare percentages.  But we can say that Barack had 100 thousand, Hillary 50 thousand and Edwards 40 thousand donors.

Assume for the moment little to no overlap and we 190 thousand donors a year away from the first primary.  Dems are excited so they are onlien talking about it, getting involved.

What were the numbers for the repubs? 30 thousand for Romney the leader in money, fifty thousand for McCain and I don't have Guliani's numbers, but they are less than Romney's I believe.

Will the Repubs catch up online?  Yes, when they start having idea that excite their base, ideas that can stand up to critical evaluation and discussion.    

The online gap is a symptom of the energy gap. It's a symptom of the fact that dems lead 50 to 35 in party id.  It's due to the dying of their party and little else.


by responsible on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:33:22 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

It has to do with two factors.

The first is losing. The democrats lost a lot of races between 1994 and 2004 AND they kept moving right. That is a lethal, trust-draining combination. There was a hunger to reclaim the party from its spineless, clueless, triangulating corporate perch that has not existed on the right, because, well, they kept on winning.

Second, the personality of liberals and progressives meshes a lot better with the online format. Duh, right? Right wingers look for leaders to follow (see: authoritarian complex), and the left makes their own. We're protesters and activists at heart. They're rank-and-file by definition.

Is this really that hard to figure out?


by AaronE on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:55:06 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (3.00 / 1)

Iraq. It's dragging every thing in the GOP down. The internet is a populist medium whose greatest strategic and tactical benefits go to rebels and outsiders.

Because they control the white house, they still see themselves as insiders. They still basically agree with Bush's Iraq agenda. So, they're still invested in the status quo. Look to the alienated quarters of the conservative movement to find the likeliest sources of a new conservative resurgence online. Matt's identified one possible group: the peroist anti-immigrationists (think Duncan Hunter). Another possible group is religious conservatives who still manage the always explosive mixture of growing power influence with self-perceived alienation and disrespect.


by blueflorida on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:55:34 PM EST

It is not about process, it is about content. (none / 0)

It is not process that rules on the web, but content.  For example, the Utube video of the Star Wars boy was about the content not about the process.  It got the exposure it did, because at the time it was unique.

It is really that simple IMO.  And that has great implications for the Democrats.  It also is very revealatory in that it exposes the process to close scrutiny in the Democratic side too.  


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by Keoni on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:56:12 PM EST

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We believe in ourselves and in our goals for this country...and, for the most part, we are on the same page as our elected Democratic members of Congress. I agree that many Republicans are not well served or represented by the current leadership and they know it BUT fear saying it will be akin to claiming to be a Democrat! This current group of thugs has hijacked social issues so far to the right that mainstream Republicans have kept silent or quietly kept their distance. Our gain


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by Penguins In Burma on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:11:14 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

I sensed the change in energy in early 2003. Prior to that seemingly every online poll was skewed toward the right. In 1998, 2000 and 2002 I was livid when CNN would use online opinion polls on the air and offer them as representative, when they obviously tilted hard right. My estimate was always about 7-8% from actual.

But it switched dramatically in 2003 and especially 2004, to the point online political polls were essentially ignored since progressives dominated them.  


by Gary Kilbride on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:55:28 PM EST

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Here in CT I'm seeing some conservative local blogs pop up, but no evidence of any cooperation between them.  As Tim points out cooperation is most likely to form around a particular campaign, and right now CT Republicans have no one locally or nationally to get excited about.  My best guess is that that's also the case for Republicans in most of the country.  


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:05:14 PM EST

Place in Time (none / 0)

I think the basic formula for how grassroots political movements come about has stayed the same: Ordinary people with certain beliefs feel unrepresented in the government or public sphere. They then get organized based on their issues, using the tools of the day, and build a grassroots movement.

Liberals built a movement about workers' rights based on unions, that was later joined by one about civil rights using black churches.

The conservative grassroots movement came next, consisting of evangelical churches, the business lobbies, the NRA, etc., and used the technologies of the day, such phone banking, direct mail.

By this point the liberal movement -- based on unions and civil-rights groups -- fell into decline and was eclipsed by the younger, more energetic conservative movement.

We saw the peak of this dynamic during the decade of 1994 to 2004, when conservatives dominated the national (and to a degree local) agenda around the country.

Of course, this brings us back to the beginning -- ordinary people, in this case liberals, who feel unrepresented by our public institutions. The liberal movement had fallen. To change that, we created a new movement around our issues (environmentalism, anti-Iraq War, pro-civil liberties), using the technologies of the day (such as the Internet).

It's simply a matter of a specific group's needs occurring at a specific time in history. That's why we're better at using the Internet. Our needs weren't being served at the same time the Internet had come of age.

The Republicans won't develop a new model, one that's based around newer technologies, as long as their old one continues to work -- simply put, as long as they don't need a new one.


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by LiberalFromPA on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 05:09:39 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (3.00 / 1)

episty writes:

"On an individual basis, most Republicans are very nice people, and are just as progressive as Dems, except for a couple of hot-buttons."

That comment points up a major difference between the left and right sides of the blogosphere.  You just won't read anything like that being said of Democrats by someone on the right.  We're not just people with differing opinions, we're the enemy.

In 1990, Newt Gingrich wrote a GOP memo called "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control", and it's been the GOP playbook for describing us ever since.  Democrats are "weird", "treasonous", etc.
And that began the death of comity.

Yes, I'm biased, but the rightwing blogs are full of hatred and the left, athough there is more juvenile name-calling than I'd like, seems more genuinely interested in what the truth is.  


by Slideguy on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 08:32:54 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

Republican activists are driven by plain hatred of Democrats because our coalition includes blacks, feminists, gays, immigrants, and hippies.

It's the Republican Party of Nixon's Southern Strategy, Reagan's 60's Reaction, Gingrich's Rightwing Revolution, and Karl Rove's strategy of total Republican domination.

This kind of hate is immature - barely above grade school cooties. So other than childishly trashing our leaders with the latest FOX personal attacks, what do Republicans have to talk about amongst themselves?


by bob fertik on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 09:51:44 PM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

The simple answer is that the left was desperate for a forum, any forum, that reflected our views.  That's why I found liberal blogs...there just wasn't anyplace for me to go.  

The right has been dining for years at the media buffet, and they still have any number of choices.  We are limited and perhaps for that very reason we  (and our passions and dollars) are concentrated online, the one place we can go to find the truth and like-minded people.  


poe
by poe on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 12:15:45 AM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

Very interesting topic and article Matt. As in so many things, I disagree with Joe Trippi. But I agree with many of the comments. Interestingly enough, the authoritarian streak so many people cite is exactly consistent with what George Lakoff says. The way progressives are using the internet is collaborative because that's the way we tend to see the world and the way we work. It also happens to be a tool that's particularly effective for this type of thing.

I also agree that Republicans are dispirited and that it is because the Bush administration has been shown to be so incredibly incompetent. My mother last night made a comment about "the idiot George Bush has become." I was almost speechless. This is a woman who listens to Fox News and Rush constantly. She donated money to Bush. And, while I think he's always been an idiot, I couldn't help but agree. It's the first time we've agreed on politics in many, many years. Combined with the lack of a strong candidate, this--rather than any lack of technical savvy or late entry into online activism--is hurting Republican organizing efforts of any kind.


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by cfinnie on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:21:26 AM EST

Re: Where are the Republicans.com? (none / 0)

They need to hire some better technology transfer services because their problems could be solved if they had the right man for the right job, but at the moment they seem to be lurking in the outskirts of the internet potential and nowadays when internet is developing so much that could be a lethal mistake.


by tiberiu on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 01:06:22 PM EST


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