John Edwards Saturday Morning Podcast

Edwards is starting a weekly Saturday morning podcast with a new idea and some details about it.

With the April 15th Tax deadline coming, the first podcast is about filing taxes and making it easier for lower income people, or people who do not have lots of brokerage house transactions.

Basically, for taxpayers where the IRS has all the information already (standard Job, bank account, mortgage, etc...) you would simply sign the forum with the amount the government calculated.

listen here:  (4 minutes)

http://johnedwards.com/media/podcasts/20 070407/

While this is not my favorite topic and probably doesn't help me - it is an idea I haven't heard, and I like the idea of hearing a candidate give a new response on a new topic each week.



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the estimate is 50 million americans would be covered for their taxes by this mechanism


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 08:28:59 AM EST

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I'm glad that he's back doing podcasts. I used to download them and listen to them on the way to work, and they definitely had an effect on my decision to support him.


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by clarkent on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 09:56:36 AM EST

As a former customer support tech for Turbo Tax... (3.00 / 2)

JE is spot on in his analysis. This would much benefit the elderly and low-income families (a majority of my callers) who slave for hours stumbling over obscure forms and afflict themselves with headaches and rage over the sheer agony of the process on the computer program.

Now imagine filing out your forms on paper instead of your computer and the stress becomes exponential.

If it was burden enough hearing it on the other end with cussing and screaming at times, imagine how much relief and money will be saved if Edwards' plan is implemented?!


by optimusprime on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 10:01:27 AM EST

I like the idea but (3.00 / 1)

personally I don't really trust the IRS to do my taxes or that of 50 million Americans. There seems like there would have to be some systematic changes in the IRS as well to make this happen and to be effective and accurate.


by okamichan13 on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 11:39:04 AM EST

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There is a program similar to this here in California.  Former controller Steve Westly (my former boss, for full disclosure) started it.

Surveys of those in the pilot program had an approval of the "Ready Return" in the upper 90's.  People really liked it...and it had the potential to save the state a great deal of money through efficiency.

On the other hand, it was fiercely opposed by Intuit, makers of Turbo Tax.


by Reelpolitik on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 12:54:42 PM EST

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Hmm, thats interesing, have to keep an open mind about it. If the government is essectailly doing people's taxes, doesnt it create more beaurocracy?


by okamichan13 on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 01:44:40 PM EST
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I'm no expert on it, but I think the efficiencies came in the following places:

1) Didn't have to process returns mailed back to the state - as they'd already been done.
2) Less printing and mailing of forms and instruction booklets.

After Edwards' release, I'm going to go back and look at the materials on it I had from last year.  The one thing I know is that the people who participated in it thought it was great, and that - based on that reaction - they were going to expand the program under new Controller John Chiang.


by Reelpolitik on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:16:13 PM EST
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I no expert either... (1.00 / 2)

...but when did the government EVER create a system to process 50 million anything that didn't eventually bloat itself into another bureaucratic behemoth?  Sorry, government screws up everything it touches (CIA, FEMA, education, health care, etc...) and this is going to cost more than simplistic (and never materializing) "efficiencies" will ever cover.


by DetCord on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:49:12 AM EST
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Re: I no expert either... (3.00 / 1)

Social security and medicare have 3% administrative costs.

Private insurance has 15-20% administratitve costs. When you take the profit out of services that can easily be done through a single entity, you get large savings.

The fees charged by intuit and turbotax for most (but not all) people who file are like the $100 leaving town tax charged by Mayor Quimby in the Simpsons when they shot the McBain movie in Springfield; it's completely unnecessary and superfluous.


by adamterando on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 09:23:53 AM EST
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But isn't the basic assumption... (none / 0)

...here "efficiency?"  I've never seen that percentage for SS and medicare and, having worked in and around the federal government my whole life, it doesn't look anywhere reasonable but I'll take it face value.  Government isn't in the "profit" mode and was never designed to be profitable by definition (exceptions in interior, GSA, others of course). But restructuring the IRS and just the information systems alone needed to integrate the various databases alone necessary to compile even an 90% accurate retirn for 50% of the taxpayers would choke the federal budget.  Whatever marginal "efficiencies" (not Edwards stays away from "savings") are realized would surely be overwhelmed by the increase in staff and rework costs as well as additional training and the publications necessary to explain to the taxpayer how this whole thing has to work.  

We need innovative thinking and I'm delighte to see proposals start coming out of candidates.  But there has to be some accountability to make sure we're not getting more "free" stuff from candidates who consistently overpromise and underdeliver.

By the way, SocSec Medicare/caid eat up 44% of the entire budget already.  Do we really need to bloat it growing the IRS?


by DetCord on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 11:21:17 AM EST
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Re: But isn't the basic assumption... (3.00 / 1)

You sound like a libertarian.

"But restructuring the IRS and just the information systems alone needed to integrate the various databases alone necessary to compile even an 90% accurate retirn for 50% of the taxpayers would choke the federal budget.  Whatever marginal "efficiencies" (not Edwards stays away from "savings") are realized would surely be overwhelmed by the increase in staff and rework costs as well as additional training and the publications necessary to explain to the taxpayer how this whole thing has to work."

You provide a lot of conjecture here but no evidence to back up your claims. Why would the IRS sending out form I's "choke" the federal budget? Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

"By the way, SocSec Medicare/caid eat up 44% of the entire budget already.  Do we really need to bloat it growing the IRS?"

I fail to understand your point. What else SHOULD be eating up the federal budget besides core health and human services? Do you think the federal budget for these programs is too large? You know we have a deficit, but we wouldn't have one if we didn't have those stupid tax cuts for the wealthiest people in this country.


by adamterando on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 11:29:22 AM EST
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Not a libertarian... (none / 0)

...but a pessimsit when it comes to the government and claims of "efficiencies."  They're nearly oxymoronic.  For the record, the Edwards proposal is "conjecture" (also void of substantiation) and what I responded with is simple "concern."  

OK, so maybe "eat up" was the wrong phrase but those services use 44% of the federal budget and I suppose the value then would determine the adjective. I do not believe that government needs to grow any larger than it already is and that ideas to improve the lives of taxpayers shouldn't bloat an already bloated bureaucracy.

Edwards could make this simpler by just suggesting that unless your wages, salaries and tips exceed $27,000, you're exempt from even having to file period!

Those overly demonized tax cuts have led to a flood of tax revenues into the treasury so I'm not so quick to poo-poo them based on that alone.  (See New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/washin gton/09econ.html?ei=5088&en=ec2d242d a8699725&ex=1310097600&partner=r ssnyt&emc=rss


by DetCord on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:04:42 PM EST
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Wow, you are a republican!

I thought you might be considering you previous posts you've written. Well, welcome to mydd and thanks for joining in the debate.


by adamterando on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:23:04 PM EST
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Re: But isn't the basic assumption... (3.00 / 1)

Social Security and Medicare do not "eat up" the budget. They are both highly valuable services (appreciated by both those who directly and indirectly benefit) that are paid for by specific taxes.


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by clarkent on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:04:10 PM EST
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That 1%-3% figure for overhead for SS and medicare/medicaid has been widely quoted for years now. I'd say it's amazing you've not seen it, but based on the pro-republican pro-bush tax cuts post you make downthread I guess it's not so amazing after all.


by Quinton on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 05:25:20 PM EST
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If I'm for... (none / 0)

...the increased revenues from an expanded tax base, is that "pro" tax cut?  If this puts more money into the treasury (which it clearly did) then why not?  If Congress can't "get by" on a paltry $2.7 trillion a year, that's tough.  We've poured enough into that trough already.


by DetCord on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 12:12:17 AM EST
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How can you say you're in favor of increased revenues, and that we've already paid enough?
And the idea that cutting income taxes increases revenue is only true when taxes start out severely high, which they haven't been in decades.
"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 12:20:04 AM EST
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The government already does your taxes. Try not filing a tax return and see what happens. They'll send you a letter telling you that you owe them $x by their calculations (plus the fee for being late and such).


by Quinton on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 05:25:54 PM EST
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Not exactly (none / 0)

for a lot of the people that would be helped by this, they would be getting refunds, not paying.

I really don't think the government does your taxes for you and sends you a letter if they owe you money.


by okamichan13 on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 07:22:37 PM EST
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the podcast (none / 0)

mentioned this example.

it said that one company spent 500K to oppose it and that this type of reform would also face lobbying


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:49:38 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure the company he was talking about was Intuit.

The issue caused a deep rift between Westly and a former ally.  A product of Silicon Valley, Westly was an early guy at eBay, and had gotten contributions in his Controller race from the folks at Intuit(if I'm not mistaken).

At one point in the Gubernatorial primary, there were rumblings that Intuit would kick funds into an independent expenditure against Westly.  I can't remember if that ever happened or not.

The memory fades quickly!


by Reelpolitik on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:20:14 PM EST
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Tarheel (none / 0)

Could you contact me at the email address that you can find under Contributors: PhilGoBlue in the bottom right of this website: http://michiganforedwards.blogspot.com/

I'd like to discuss this issue with you off site.

Thanks, -- Phil


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by philgoblue on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 09:41:59 PM EST
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