Felon Enfranchisement: Florida vs. Rhode Island

What Was Charlie Crist Thinking?, asks Farhad Manjoo. Crist is the Republican Governor of Florida who has successfully fought to extend the voting rights to ex-felons in that state. Two of the three members of the clemency board in Florida had to get on board with Crist's plan, and in a bit of a shocker he managed to convince both Democratic CFO Alex Sink and Republican Ag Secretary Charles Bronson. (Not that Charles Bronson. I think.) Manjoo is a bit gobsmacked that a Republican would act in a way that helps Democrats electoral prospects by creating a million new presumably left-leaning voters. They won't all go to the ballot box, but:

[I]n a state as closely divided politically as Florida, that could still make all the difference. In the past several decades, say Uggen and Manza, at least two Senate races in Florida would have gone to Democrats instead of Republicans had felons had the right to vote. Buddy McKay would have beaten Connie Mack in 1988, and Betty Castor would have beaten Mel Martinez in 2004. And, of course, the 2000 presidential election would have gone to Al Gore.

Under the new Florida plan, ex-felons who are neither murderer nor sex offender will automatically have their voting rights restored after they complete the full term of their incarceration, parole, and probation. As for murderers and sex offenders, they'll still have to ask the state to restore their civil rights.

If I may self-pimp, I have a story on AlterNet this week called "Roadmap of a Progressive Victory" that looks at how a small group of activists in Rhode Island (with the help of advocates on the national level) managed to pass a ballot measure that gives ex-felons the right to vote the second they step out of prison. Under the old scheme that Rhode Islanders rejected, all ex-felons had their franchise restored automatically after they completed probation or parole -- a situation that's actually more liberal than the reform that Florida just put into place.

But 51% of Rhode Islander voters voted against the Florida approach of waiting for parole and probation. Why? The message put before them was that the right to vote was an important part of a former felon's re-entry into society. Parole and probation just takes too long. I for one was surprised to learn just how long we're talking. For a five year sentence for a non-violent drug offense, it can last 30 more years.

Every state's different, of course. We know that felon disenfranchisement really grew in popularity as a public policy approach in the South after the passage of the 15th Amendment . It was a race-neutral tactic, you see, like the poll tax, that had the intended effect of disproportionately affecting black men. But in 2007:

[V]oting bans aren't limited to the Deep South. And they are in no way uniform. Three U.S. states -- Florida, Virginia, and Kentucky -- disenfranchise every ex-felon for life. Many other states restore rights at the completion of parole (conditional release) and probation (supervised reentry). Kill someone in Maine, and you can vote from your prison cell. Sell marijuana in Virginia, and for all intents and purposes you're banned from the ballot box for life.

So states are all moving on felon enfranchisement at different speeds and in different ways. In Florida, this measure took the Governor. In Rhode Island, it took voters. (A felon voting ban was baked into the state Constitution.) In Alabama, the question of what exactly is a franchise-negating "crime of moral turpitude" is going to the state Supreme Court. On the national level, the groups taking the lead on this operate under the banner of Right to Vote are NYU's Brennan Center for Justice, the ACLU, and the Sentencing Project



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Re: Felon Enfranchisement: Florida vs. Rhode Islan (none / 0)

Charlie Crist is pretty solid as gov. of Florida when it comes to being a people person's canidate.

1. lowering insurance rates

  1. lowering property taxes
  2. ending fraudulent elections by banning touch  screens
  3. Allowing ex felons to vote

Does anybody know when ex-felons will be able to start voting again?


by Djneedle83 on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 01:14:59 PM EST

Re: Felon Enfranchisement: Florida vs. Rhode Islan (3.00 / 2)

Looks like a lot of them will be able to vote in the 2008 election:

Crist's office said that of the 628,000 felons listed in state law enforcement databases, 515,000 committed less serious crimes and many could receive their rights within a few months.


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by KCinDC on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 01:44:25 PM EST
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Re: Felon Enfranchisement: Florida vs. Rhode Islan (3.00 / 1)

They'll be able to vote when they find out about the change and they do whatever is needed in the process. Which basically means that unless they're reached, most of them won't try to get registered at all.

African-American voting notes from Florida.

14.6% of Floridans are African-American, 12% of Floridian registered voters are African-American.

Counties of note (where the disparity is higher than 5.25%):

Bradford- 13% of reg voters, 21% of population
Calhoun- 9% of reg voters, 16% of population
Franklin- 8% of reg voters, 16% of population
Hamilton- 30% of reg voters, 38% of population
Lafayette- 6% of reg voters, 9% of population
Liberty- 9% of reg voters, 18% of population
Sumter- 5% of reg voters, 14% of population
Union- 11% of reg voters, 23% of population

A map showing those counties (in red), along with counties that had disparites between 4% and 6.25% (in orange), and counties where the disparity suggests that less than 2/3rds of African-Americans are registered (in yellow):

Basically, there's a lot of North Florida in that map.

One formula I used was (percentage of population/percentage of registered)*registered African-American voters minus registered African-American voters. This is an inprecise way to calculate how many voters could be added.

My count for the orange and red counties is around 27,000.

Although you'd get high numbers for the same thing in Broward (18% reg, 21% pop), Orange (15% reg, 18% pop), Palm Beach (10% reg, 14% pop). If you add those counties to the orange/red counties, then you get almost 90,000.

Now, I think the former restrictions aren't 100% responsible for these disparities, but these disparities should be tackled too.

One more thing: None of the orange/red counties on that map are covered by the Voting Rights Act.


by RBH on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 01:54:07 PM EST
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Re: Felon Enfranchisement: Florida vs. Rhode Islan (none / 0)

It's not clear from the articles I've seen exactly what "bureaucratic processing" is required or whether the restoration is automatic for some categories of felons. Even if it some do get the vote back automatically, it doesn't do any good if they don't know about it. Apparently even in states that have relatively good laws, a lot of felons just assume they can't vote (sometimes helped in that misunderstanding by disinformation campaigns that of course the Republicans know nothing about).

Still, at least this is a step in the right direction, and Crist should be given some credit for departing from the Republican line to do a good thing.


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by KCinDC on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:03:19 PM EST
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Re: Felon Enfranchisement: Florida vs. Rhode Islan (none / 0)

Ron Gunzberger, the blogger at the site politics1.com, lives in Florida and he has written a couple times about how Gunzberger is pissing off the (Jeb) Bush backers and other wing nuts by supporting legislation that is supported by the Democrats.


by Adam T on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:09:51 PM EST
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stupid writing mistakes (none / 0)

should of course read

Ron Gunzberger, the blogger at the site politics1.com , lives in Florida and he has written a couple times about how CRIST is pissing off the (Jeb) Bush backers and other wing nuts by supporting legislation that is supported by the Democrats


by Adam T on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:11:00 PM EST
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YEah Crist is acting more like a moderate Democrat than a Republican...

If he keeps up like this, he may be someone to keep an eye on nationally, in case he has higher ambitions...  Know they opponents.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:15:21 PM EST
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The first two are a complete sham.  He will not succeed on the insurance crisis, and the property tax stuff is a loaded gun pointed directly at the Florida Public Schools.

Have to give him credit for the last two.


by fladem on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 11:08:48 PM EST
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Felon Enfranchisement: (none / 0)

Do I recall correctly that Ollie North and Elliot Abrams were convicted of felonies for lying to Congress?  If so, they haven't been voting since the 1980's, which is a good thing....


by global yokel on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:14:29 PM EST

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Abrams pled guilty to misdemeanors to avoid the felony charges. North's conviction was overturned on appeal thanks to Congress's grant of immunity. So I don't think either has any problem voting.


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by KCinDC on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:24:36 PM EST
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Re: Felon Enfranchisement: (3.00 / 2)

Jeralyn or Armando: I've done a lot of research into the constitutional convention wherein Virginia passed its disenfranchisement laws, and the delegates who carried the day were explicit that their goal was to prevent blacks from voting.  How would that not violate the Voting Rights Act (if nothing else, doesn't the VRA as amended in 1982 prohibit laws that even unintentionally have a racist impact on voting rights)?


by Jay R on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:14:50 PM EST

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You may want to get in touch with the Brennan Center

http://www.brennancenter.org/

This is the picture of what they're involved in:

http://www.brennancenter.org/subpage.asp ?key=38&proj_key=9042

Have a look at the Johnson v Bush lawsuit- that was the attempt, in 2000-2006, to try to get the Florida disenfranchisement overturned pretty much on the grounds you note.  As poll tax, as VRA violation, as 14th and 15th Amendment violations.

(You have to click on the 'Johnson v Bush' link at that last page to see the record of litigation and the briefs, it doesn't have a distinct URL I can list here.)

But the federal courts refuse to see it that way and duck behind the last standing major Rehnquist travesty/verdict, Richardson v Ramirez (1974).  

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/ge tcase.pl?court=US&vol=418&invol= 24

The majority verdict is awful, weaseling, logically insulting, and full of problems.  It's all about getting the result and deliberate mangling and denial of Section 1 14th Amendment rights in the name of 'state rights' and 'states' interests'.  (Which is the essential point of "strict constructionism" and "originalism".)  The thing worth reading is the dissent by Marshall and Brennan.  

If you read the Johnson v Bush briefs and verdicts, the truth of the whole Johnson lawsuit is that it's (necessarily) at bottom a reargument of the points and assertions made in Richardson v Ramirez.  But the federal courts in 2001 to 2005 weren't willing to read the 14th Amendment aspect in any way other than Rehnquist said they should, i.e. Section 2 overrides Section 1.  (Brennan and Marshall say it's the other way around, and they are right.)  That, and all the twists and turns in earlier litigation in attempts to duck behind or avoid the slew of bad technicalities in the 30 years of precedents (reall awful reads), leads to all the sophistry in these briefs- horrible contortions and bizarre technical pseudoarguments about strict scrutiny.

Ultimately the Johnson case was appealed to the Supreme Court just after Rehnquist died, but the application for appeal was turned down without comment.  Basically, the Court's message was: we can't overturn Richardson v Ramirez just yet even though every fool knows it's a travesty.  Try again when the political climate is settled, or better yet, get Congress and the President to amend the VRA.

One thing the Florida plaintiffs greatly lacked were records showing the intents of their Constitutional convention delegates in the 1968 VRA-caused rewriting of the Florida Constitution, which basically kept the disenfranchisement amendment in it intact.  But at the time it was general knowledge that the major flaw in the VRA was that it ignored those statutes, and that those statutes were invariably abused to net disenfranchise non-whites.  Florida had a record of felonizing crimes that were largely committed by black people and usually considered misdemeanors, i.e. stealing corn.  Florida also had curious procedures for dealing with crimes where defendents could avoid getting recorded as convicted, i.e. disenfranchised, if the (white) prosecutor so chose.

The effort to achieve reenfranchisement in Virginia is, to the extent that I've followed it, a backdoor affair kept very quiet.  The two Democratic governors have balked at going very far with it- but last year governor Vilsack in Iowa essentially mass pardoned their lifetime disenfranchised, and now Florida's governor Crist is going the same route, so there is pressure to follow that route.  Maybe you can get in touch with someone in Virginia government about whether the plan is to continue to tread softly.  I suspect it is until Democrats there have majority control of a chamber of the Virginia legislature- which they need to block a backlash bill by Republicans should the governor choose to do as Crist and Vilsack have.  Given how close Virginia is to tipping Blue- by trend it should be voting 48% or 49% for the Democratic Presidential nominee in November '08, or maybe even a little higher...

I've looked at the matter quite a while and I think there's essentially a correlation with the R/D percentages in large states.  When a large state is 45% or less Democratic-voting recently, lifetime disenfranchisement for all former felons is acceptable and pushed for.  There's a whole range of intermediate stages with all kinds of artificial, ultimately pointless, criteria and distinctions in the intermediate percentages.  But at solid 52% or 53% Democratic-voting levels the large states remove all lifetime disenfranchisement.  Probationer reenfranchisement tends to follow that, with D voting in the mid fifties.  Parolee reenfranchisement is murky; it seems to take a D vote level over 60%.

Disenfranchisement runs differently in very small states- most deviate from their R/D split in liberal fashion (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, the Dakotas, Montana, Utah, Hawai'i, Alaska, arguably Arkansas and Nebraska).   Small states resistant to this so far are Wyoming and Delaware.  Delaware perhaps because it's not a small society unto itself, as the others are, but socially continuous with rural/Eastern Shore Maryland and southern New Jersey.  Wyoming perhaps because of relatively large white right winger inmigration.

One of the solutions nationally is the CEVA bill (Count Every Vote Act) being sponsored by Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, and John Lewis.  Part of it is an extension of the VRA to overrule state level lifetime disenfranchisement laws.


by killjoy on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 05:29:02 PM EST
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The pertinent Federal statute I'm thinking of IS the VRA, only the 1982 version, which postdates Richardson v. Ramirez.  While back in '74 the court could say that the 14th Amendment (the most relevant federal statute at the time, I s'pose) wasn't violated by felon disenfranchisement, the current court would have to deal with the 1982 VRA, which, unless found unconstitutional, seems to my reading to prohibit practices otherwise covered by Section 2, regardless of the legislators' intent at the time of passage.

Is it really just that another disenfranchisement case hasn't been reviewed by SCOTUS since the 1982 VRA renewal and amendments?


by Jay R on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 08:33:16 PM EST
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This was the reason (3.00 / 1)

the first Florida was passed in 1868.

It was re-enacted in '68 to "clense" the law of its obvious rascist intent.  That is why Florida's law does not run afoul of the '84 act.

If you study the other states, my guess is you will find they did something similiar.


by fladem on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 11:11:20 PM EST
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Re: This was the reason (none / 0)

You're missing the point--the '82 amendment to the VRA made it so intent doesn't matter, only a law's impact mattered.

I think what you meant was that it was reauthorized with new language in '68 to get around the '65 VRA.  But the '82 VRA theoretically takes intent entirely out of the picture.

Again, the '65 VRA only affected legislation with a racially discriminatory intent, but the '82 VRA affects all legislation* with a discriminatory impact.

(*legislation covered by Section 2 of the VRA, that is)


by Jay R on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 12:50:49 AM EST
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Re: This was the reason (3.00 / 1)

If only this were true.  Or, if only the Supreme Court interpreted it this way.  In practice, they still hold on very strongly to the precedent established in Washington Heights, Arlington, and a number of other cases defining the "intent standard" in the 70s that intentional discrimination is the limiting factor in identifying violations of Equal Protection.

Given that reading, the courts have consistently found (and the Supreme Court has refused to say otherwise) that supposedly good-faith efforts to remedy the past discrimination is sufficient, as long as the state can identify a legitimate justification for re-working the old law.  

In the instance of felon disenfranchisement, I firmly believe there is nothing remotely close to a good justification but the courts seem to disagree.  

Not long after 1982, the Supreme Court heard Hunter v. Underwood, which held that Alabama's disenfranchisement laws were unconstitutional, but that case has been interpreted narrowly, as merely a small exception cut out from the strong precedent of Richardson.

There are a number of cases that have been filed recently.  Johnson v. Bush, Farrakhan v. Locke, etc.  In all of these, the plaintiffs have suggested that disparate impact is sufficient to prove a violation, to little avail.

Part of the problem is that it's extremely difficult to prove discriminatory treatment when people are ideologically predisposed to discount any attention to the fact that the criminal justice system itself is clearly a racially discriminatory institution.  For people who believe that everyone who ends up a felon chooses to become one, it's difficult to persuade them that an additional level of punishment is unfair.

Even more so, it's difficult to do this when they have a huge load of precedent supporting their biases.

Given that, the legal avenue is probably worth pursuing but may be a bit of a dead end, which means action on the state level, and efforts to change the social and cultural dynamic will probably prove to be more fruitful.  The arguments against this heinous practice can be far more easily deployed in state legislatures, on the internet, and in day to day practice than they can before the courts.


by Baldrick on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:16:39 AM EST
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I have not read the case law (none / 0)

and am clearly outside my expertise.  Really I am simply repeating what a partner of mine told me.

Can the '82 Act be applied to laws passed before its enactment?"


by fladem on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 09:52:04 AM EST
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Re: Felon Enfranchisement (3.00 / 1)

Banging head on desk

Please tell me this effort is not officially labeled "Felon Enfranchisement."  The GOP will spin this into, "Democrats are trying to steal (Felony) elections by giving thieves (Felon,) crooks (Felon,) and drug dealers (Felon) the right to vote."  Which, very neatly, associates their opposition message directly to your message.  This, in turn, gives their spin a free ride on your communications.

There is a reason why the GOP called their efforts to gut Public Education "No Child Left Behind."


by ATinNM on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:18:55 PM EST

Terminology (3.00 / 1)

Good point. The Sentencing Project calls in "voting rights restoration".


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by KCinDC on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:28:32 PM EST
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Re: Terminology (none / 0)

From the link it appears the Florida Attorney General is against the bill.  Positioning to capture the 'Tough on Crime' label?  

Someone needs to ask this guy if he thinks people should continue to be punished after they've paid their debt to society.  (Needs to be worded better.)

Note the Catch-22.  If he says no then he has no reason for his opposition.  If he says yes then he is going against a fundamental principle of American jurisprudence, AFAIK, IANAL.

 


by ATinNM on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:42:16 PM EST
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Attorney General Howdy Doody (none / 0)

Was a house manager in the Clinton impeachment trial, after all


by RBH on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:06:02 PM EST
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Re: Terminology (none / 0)


No, it's not that.  Republicans elected to office will supposedly admit privately that it's purely about suppressing votes that have a substantial Democratic margin.

Basically, Florida Republicans will not merely lose majority in the state if 250,000 of these people vote against them.  It's that the increase in Democratic margin will not just win, it will break the ~52% threshold which has a disproportionate effect downticket on state legislative races and such- it breaks weak and overaggressive gerrymanders, which Florida has.  In effect a 52% D vote will probably not give Democrats a chamber of the Florida legislature, but it will so greatly diminish the Republican margins that they will have to moderate greatly or die.  (And, as we know, few hardline R's succeed at moderating- they go off the rails and do themselves in with their electorate under that pressure.)  This pardoning by Crist probably kills off the hardline Republican control of Florida state government.

Bill McCollum is not exactly in favor of Florida Republicans moderating, and he certainly gets the phone calls from Karl Rove screaming at him to do something- anything- and save Florida for hardline Republicans in '08 and thereafter.

The politics of it all have nothing whatsoever to do with considerations of justice and everything to do with power.  It's about the breakdown of hardline Republican power in Florida, at a minimum.  McCollum has to fight it.  Crist sees the Democratic trend and only slightly postponable Democratic tipping of the state, and he's trying to shift control to moderate Republicans, in whose shadow hardline Republicans can still operate.

It'll be interesting to see what Rove et al at the RNC resort to to try to keep up the suppression of black voting in Florida.  It's their only hope in the state and crucial to them nationally, with Democrats tightening their hold in all Kerry states, at a minimum, and setting up to run the table in Ohio in '08.


by killjoy on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:55:30 PM EST
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This is why (none / 0)

guys like Graham and Chiles never invested political capital in trying to change the law. Everytime it came up, it was a political loser.


by fladem on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 11:17:27 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

You're right.. NOT THAT Charles Bronson... he died in 2003.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:07:18 PM EST

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Hey, this is Florida.


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by Englishlefty on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 09:40:00 PM EST
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Getting Virginia to restore voting rights... (3.00 / 2)

We're going to get Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA) to restore voting rights by executive order here in Virginia.  I think he's inclined to do so - he'll just need some political cover.  I just talked to Lowell from Raising Kaine and Ben from Not Larry Sabato and they are on board.  Many other groups are on board as well.  We need to get rid of these felony disfranchisement laws forever.


by econlibVA on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:27:44 PM EST

Re: Felon Enfranchisement: Florida vs. Rhode Islan (3.00 / 2)

Project Vote just did a diary on this on Friday, covering many aspects of felon reenfranchisement. Here it is: http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/4/6/13928 /52326

You can also find more about this issue on their website here: http://projectvote.org/fileadmin/Project Vote/Publications/Restoring_Voting_Right s_Project_Vote_Policy_Brief_12.pdf


by nathanhj on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:33:35 PM EST

Re: Felon Enfranchisement: Florida (3.00 / 2)

Don't know about Florida, but some places you can have 10 years of probation or parole. Some states require you to complete fine payments which can include child support that built up while in, plus room and board feees (you didn't know that some states require felons to help pay for incarceration?), doctor visit fees, gym fees, craft supplies, etc. If you don't have enough to pay fees out of the 49 cents per hour (or however much it is) for your prison kitchen or janitor job, then the prison "loans" you the money. Hence, you owe when you get out.


by mrobinsong on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 04:09:12 PM EST

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Yep.  Those 'court fee' and 'penalty' and 'restitution' payments are being used as de facto poll taxes to block poor ex-offenders where states are rolling back disenfranchisement statutes.  This is/was a problem and dispute in Iowa, Washington, and iirc Delaware.  In a lot of cases it's at most a few hundred dollars that stands between people and their ability to vote, but since they can't get out of hand-to-mouth starvation wage hell and are in shit with their relatives, they rarely if ever pay it off.

I wish some better off Democrats would pool some big money and just help a slew of these folks simply pay off that stuff.  Found a nonpartisan nonprofit that they can apply to that pays up to some set amount straight to the courts.  Since hard fought campaigns are spending $150 or $200 per vote they get these days, that may be a cheap way to get 1,000 more swing voters per district registered and impressed that there are people out there who are willing to help them regain rights and dignity.

A bunch of states have conservative judiciaries that sentence people to remarkably excessive probation terms after completion of their 'real' sentence.  That was one of the problems in Rhode Island- one typical drug offender got a four year prison sentence (serving about two) plus thirty!!! years of additional probation.  Georgia nominally doesn't disenfranchise people who have completed incarceration, but apparently sentences drug offenders to addition terms of probation in the 20-30 year range, I've heard- which achieves the same thing.

It's a horror out there.  Ending disenfranchisement and politically based excessive sentencing and the trickery of government set up to prevent restoration of rights is such a priority to activists because it's fundamental, fundamental to turning the penal system and its outcomes from punitive (which is just about all it is these days- a cattle yard) to genuinely rehabilitative in the long run.


by killjoy on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:26:14 PM EST
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What is Charlie Crist Thinking? (none / 0)

I can guess what he's thinking.  His gay lover is both a convicted felon, and a political activist who wants to vote again.  So he nagged Crist until the Gov agreed to work toward the restoration of felon voting rights.  Duh.

From the Broward  and Palm Beach News:

Wetherington, who recently worked as a field director for U.S. Senate candidate Katherine Harris and currently works for state representative Ellyn Bodganoff's reelection campaign, also named a man whom he said is Crist's long-term partner, a convicted thief named Bruce Carlton Jordan who also recently worked for Harris in her long-shot Senate bid.

Jordan was charged in 2003 with stealing thousands of dollars from two organizations for whom he worked, including the Tallahassee-based Florida Funeral Directors Association, where he served as executive director. He completed a 60-day jail sentence in February and will be on probation until the year 2011, according to state records.


by Winston Smith on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 04:48:17 PM EST

Re: What is Charlie Crist Thinking? (none / 0)

I love this tidbit:

I asked Crist during a phone interview on Monday morning if he had ever had sex with Jordan.

"No," he said. "I don't recall the name."

Dont feel bad Charlie.  I cant remember the names of half the people I've had sex with.  Ah.. does love have no bounds?


by Winston Smith on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 04:53:29 PM EST
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Re: What is Charlie Crist Thinking? (none / 0)

How is this guy a Republican?


by yitbos96bb on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 05:38:15 PM EST
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Don't worry (none / 0)

in 6 months you won't be asking that question.


by fladem on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 11:12:44 PM EST
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Re: Felon Enfranchisement (3.00 / 1)

The presidential election DID go to Gore.


by mrobinsong on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 05:56:34 PM EST

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I don't understand, why are we assuming the ex-felon vote will skew Democratic? Just because African-Americans are disproprotionately incarcerated? African-Americans also vote disproportionately less often than white voters, don't they... so isn't it possible that the overall effect could be neutral or even favor Republicans?

I mean, it's still obviously the right thing to do, but why do we assume Crist is acting against his party's best interests? Maybe it doesn't really hurt the Republicans.


by tjekanefir on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 07:42:30 PM EST

Re: Felon Enfranchisement (3.00 / 1)

The prison population is disproportionately African-American largely because the prison population in any nation tends to be disproportionately drawn from the poor and those with no stake in society. The poor as a whole are a Democratic-leaning group.

This kind of action also prevents the vote scrubbing favoured by the Republicans whereby 'suspected felons' are scrubbed from the electoral register, even when evidence clearly shows that the felon in question and the names being removed are clearly separate individuals.


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by Englishlefty on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 09:51:50 PM EST
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Re: Felon Enfranchisement (3.00 / 1)

Christopher Uggen of the University of Minnesota and Jeff Manza at Northwestern University conducted a pretty thorough study on this question.  The basic premise:

"The net effect -- intentional or unintentional -- is to dilute African American voting strength. And because African Americans vote disproportionately for Democrats, an issue that affects African Americans is an issue that affects the Democratic Party.  Low-income voters are also overrepresented in prisons, and they too tend to vote Democratic. This effect is not just on the fringes. Our estimates show that at least seven of every 10 votes cast by these lost felon voters would go to Democratic candidates."

They account for lower voting rates, potential skews in a number of directions, and a host of other factors and conclude that full felon voting rights would have been enough to swing a number of presidential elections and a substantial number of Senate races.

I'm pretty sure the whole study is available on the interwebs.  It's harrowing stuff.


by Baldrick on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:22:11 AM EST
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According to what I've read, studies of ex-felons in states that permit them to vote show them voting at an overall turnout rate of 10-15%.

The studies say that ex-felon voting is identical in rate and partisan split and age distribution to that of their socioeconomic class, ethnic group, and peers.  IOW, they are indistinguishable from the demographics they are part of at the ballot box.  

Republicans would have you believe otherwise, of course.


by killjoy on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 04:35:57 PM EST
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A minor correction (none / 0)

Florida felons are not banned for life for voting.  They can apply to have their voting rights restored.

Of course, the board is never able to keep up with the applications (the whole idea is to keep blacks from voting), but it is NOT correct to say it is a lifetime ban.


by fladem on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 11:14:44 PM EST

Re: Felon Enfranchisement: Florida vs. Rhode Islan (3.00 / 2)

One other terrifying statistic, while I'm posting on this thread.

As of right now, almost ONE-THIRD (31%) of the black males in Florida are basically barred from voting for life.  

How a country can call itself a liberal democracy when that is the case, I don't really know.

Kudos to Crist for doing something (even if it's only a limited effort) about it.  And kudos to Vermont and Maine for being the only two states without any restrictions felon voting.


by Baldrick on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:29:16 AM EST


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