Barack Obama and the Modern Progressive Campaign

I volunteer for several progressive activist organizations, including Virginians for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, of which I'm a board member.  A while back I spoke at a local church to get them energized against the death penalty.  In that talk, I talked about how to build a modern progressive campaign.  After reading so much about the Democratic primaries, I want to apply my thoughts to those (and past) campaigns, and make some predictions and suggestions about how the Democratic presidential campaigns should go forward.

In my brief, I said that a modern progressive campaign has to include these three parts, in this order:

1.  Frames

2.  Friends

3.  Facts

As progressives we've had problems conducting our (issue or political) campaigns because we haven't understood this.  Most of the time, we've run our campaigns in the opposite order, believing that having the facts on our side is enough.  As we've found from George W. Bush's (s)election and re-election, having the facts on your side isn't enough to get elected.  We have to do a better job of making our case to the public for progressive and Democratic values.  Let's go through the three parts of a modern progressive campaign one-by-one.

1. Frames:  As many of you know, George Lakoff and the Rockridge Institute are dedicated to framing progressive values.  

Rockridge scholars analyze the framing of a broad range of important public policy issues.  According to the Rockridge Institute:

"Frames are the mental structures that allow us to understand reality. Frames structure our ideas and concepts, they shape how we reason, and they even influence how we perceive and act. Generally, we use frames unconsciously, without realizing it.

Uncovering the frames that shape political issues is a powerful technique that can benefit progressives as we seek to revive our American ideals. Our framing analyses examine the political debates of our time by addressing questions such as:
·    how the frames that define issues favor specific interests and exclude others;
·    how frames interact and what makes one frame takes priority over another; and
·    how reframing issues can reveal important truths about political issues."

Using frames effectively allows the public to open their minds to the issues you want to discuss.  If you don't frame effectively, no one will listen to anything else you have to say.

In a political campaign, framing helps the candidate tell why they are running and give a theme for the overall campaign.  If you can't effectively express why you are running for office, why should anyone vote for you?

2. Friends:  Now that the candidate has used framing to tell the voters why they are running and given overall themes for their campaign, they now have to work to get others involved.  Without donors and volunteers, there is no campaign.  In fact, donating and volunteering are two sides of the same coin - in each case the candidate asks the prospective donor or volunteer to get involved in the campaign.

The most effective campaigns do a good job of making their donors and volunteers feel like they have a stake in the campaign.  They give ownership of the campaign to their donors and volunteers and create a movement.  Those involved are motivated to ask their friends and associates to get involved because the campaign is important to them and they feel that they, and the campaign, can make a difference.

Truly great campaigns spread through word-of-mouth, and through existing community organizations such as churches and social clubs.  People mention the campaign wherever they are, and the campaign gives them the tools they need to move forward.  Technology makes this easier, as people can work together both on- and off-line.

3. Facts:  After the candidate has framed the campaign and gotten others involved, then they have to be more specific about what they want to accomplish while in office.  Citizens and interest groups ask what the candidate will do and the candidate answers.  Also, the public works to understand the qualifications of whomever is running for office, since experience matters.

It's important to understand that most voters don't care about policies or a candidate's qualifications until learning about the campaign and the rationale for why the candidate is campaign is running for office (framing).  Voter preferences are also affected those of their friends and associates (friends), as well as what they feel the candidate's overall priorities are (framing again).  Most people do not have the time, inclination, and/or ability to analyze the promised policies of each candidate.  As political junkies, we are very unusual, both in that we care deeply about politics and that many of us understand and can analyze government policies.  A disproportionate number of us are very well-read and/or have advanced degrees - the public isn't like that.  Most people worry about paying the bills and making sure their kids are raised right, not about the intricate details of public policy. Candidates have to be able to give details of policies when asked, and propose reasonable governing policies, but these can't come until the candidate has done a good job of talking about campaign themes and gotten others involved.  Campaigns that get too detailed, too early, at the expense of building the rest of their campaign ("frames" and "friends") ultimately falter as people don't get involved and people don't understand why the candidate is running for office in the first place.

The Current Democratic Candidates:

From what I can tell, there are only four candidates worth mentioning: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Bill Richardson.  So, I want to discuss each of their campaigns, as well as compare them to past progressive presidential campaigns (Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Howard Dean, and John Kerry) to see where they fell short and what we can learn about how to campaign better in the future.  We can even look at the Republican presidential campaigns and see where they fall short (and trust me, all of them so far are terrible).  

The inspiration for this entry came from watching Barack Obama's campaign, and trying to answer why I lean towards voting for him, even though I actually prefer some of the political stances of Edwards (on domestic policy) and Richardson (on foreign policy).  That said, I haven't decided whom to vote for yet in the Democratic primary, nor have I given to any of their campaigns.  With all that said, I'll start by analyzing Obama's campaign using the criteria above.

Barack Obama:  I think that Obama's campaign is the best of the Democratic campaigns.  He's learned from best past practices from both parties and doing a very good job.  It isn't perfect, but it's very good and I think we have yet to appreciate how good a campaign he's running.  If he keeps this up and the rest of the campaigns don't step it up, he'll win every state save the home states of his opponents.  That said, nothing is certain, but Obama is doing very well.  I think Obama will win the Democratic nomination and become our next president.

Framing: Obama's frame (and his latest book) is "The Audacity of Hope" or "hope" for short.  He's running because we must fix our broken politics in order for us to solve our problems and take care of each other as a community.  I like the frame, and it works for Obama.  Using "hope" as a frame places him as the real heir to Bill Clinton ("the man from Hope"), and thereby attacks the strength of Hillary Clinton.  Obama's logo (a sunrise) also very subtly places him as the heir to Ronald Reagan as well ("Morning in America").  The voters seem to love this, as they "hope" that they can put the two horrible terms of George W. Bush behind them.  The public also wants to be brought together and feels that Bush has been extremely divisive, and they are certainly right.

Friends:  Obama is doing great here, as he has twice the number of donors as any other candidate.  That's especially true since he started his national campaign almost from scratch.  Obama also is getting tons of people (up to 20,000!) at his speeches, where people are inspired and tell their friends about Obama, building an off-line movement.

Obama is also building a movement online as well with his innovative website, which combines the best of the Dean and Bush II campaign infrastructure.  Obama says the campaign is about you, and he means it by letting people put up their own websites for Obama for fundraising and volunteering.  It's a big deal, and working very well.

Facts: Many online activists and members of the press criticize Obama for not being specific enough and for not having the right qualifications to be president.  Most of this is unfair.  Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope, discusses what he believes about issues and why.  It's very well-written and enjoyable; a real page-turner (seriously).  Obama also has a plan to end the occupation of Iraq, as well as a long, progressive legislative record from his time in the Illinois Senate and a shorter progressive record in the U.S. Senate.  He hasn't been specific about how he will accomplish universal health care by 2012, but at least he has committed to it as a goal.  He also was against the war in Iraq before it started, which is important.

Obama has enough political experience, but it's not really the right type of experience.  Almost all of our presidents have been either vice-presidents or governors before becoming president.  This makes sense because we want our most important government executive to have government executive experience.  You have to go back to JFK to find someone who was elected as president without prior experience as a governor or vice-president.  Obama responds to this by noting that he hasn't been in Washington for long, but he's been there long enough to know that Washington has to change.  Fair enough.

Overall, Obama's campaign is set to mow through everyone else in the primaries and the general election.  Some people are worried that swing voters won't vote for Blacks, but I think the performances of Deval Patrick and Harold Fold, Jr. in 2006 really set that fear to rest.  Both candidates did as well as they were expected to in the polls, and Ford lost by running a mediocre campaign in a conservative state.  Hey - you can't win them all.

Hillary Clinton:  Hillary's campaign is a mess, and most people don't realize how much trouble her campaign is in.  She can win the nomination, but she'd need Edwards and Obama to implode.  Her lead in the polls is overstated and dropping quickly as voters start to see Obama and Edwards (and to a lesser extent Richardson) as serious candidates.  I think she'll come in third behind Obama and Edwards as voters start to pay attention and she is no longer seen as inevitable.

Framing: Why is Hillary running?  I really don't know. There is no frame for her campaign except for an attempt to build a cult of personality around her and her last name.  I guess like she feels like it's her turn, but that sucks because it's our turn to get a president that represents us, and not someone who's running just because she can.

Friends: What is Hillary doing to get people involved in her campaign?  The elites are giving her money, but there's no grassroots energy around her campaign.  Many of the women's groups like her because she's a woman and good on women's issues, but other than that I don't see any energy.  She's nonexistent online and most of us hate her, although we'd vote for her in a general election.

Facts: Hillary is wrong on the facts, too.  I don't even think that she has her policy positions even on her website.  She was wrong on the war in Iraq, and she's wrong on other issues as well (like flag burning and First Amendment rights- yikes!).  

Yes, Hillary will win if she's our nominee, but so will anyone else we nominate.  The Republicans are just that bad.  She's clearly our worst major candidate, though.

John Edwards: John Edwards is a really good candidate.  Not perfect, but really good.  If not for Obama, he'd be the best candidate we've had since Bill Clinton.  He could win the nomination if his campaign catches fire (especially in Iowa) and Obama falters.  If he wins the nomination, he'll win the general election.  Most likely, he'll come in second again for the Democratic nomination.

Framing: Edwards has a good frame with "Two Americas".  It touches on the large increases in inequality that the U.S. has seen in recent years, and really touches the frustration many people have with not getting ahead in life.  The last few years have been tough on the middle class, and it's going to get worse before it gets better (especially as many hard-working people lose their homes through foreclosure).  We know that Edwards is running for president to eliminate poverty here and throughout the world, and to make sure that the working class is treated fairly and can provide for their families.  It's a noble goal, one Edwards speaks to better than any politician since Jesse Jackson.

I don't know where Edwards's frame places him in modern American history.  I guess it places him in the tradition of Huey Long, which is a weird place for him to be.  Most people have forgotten about Long; he was governor and senator from Louisiana and was to the left of FDR during the Depression.  I'm not sure that America is ready for Edwards's all-out assault on inequality.  It may be necessary, but I don't think the majority of people feel yet that there are "Two Americas" instead of one America.  Therefore, I think that Edwards frame places him behind Obama.  But at least he has a frame and a rationale for running, which is MUCH better than Hillary.

Friends:  Edwards has gone around the country nonstop for the last couple of years campaigning.  In that time, especially in Iowa, he has built up a serious campaign and gotten a lot of people involved.  He also has a solid web infrastructure (like Obama) to allow people to campaign and fundraise for him online.  Edwards also has his One Corps, where people campaign for him and work to strengthen their communities.  All of this is very good.

All that said - Edwards isn't a phenomenon like Obama is, with thousands of people coming to hear him speak.  His campaign will explode, though, if he wins Iowa, and he has a decent size lead there.

Facts: John Edwards has led on a host of issues this year, from issues as large as poverty and health care, to issues as small as whether or not to attend Fox News debates.  He has the most specific plans, and has the most progressive plans to deal with poverty in the United States.  I wish he'd advocate for Medicare for All instead of his plan.  However, his plan may be a step in the right direction if the cost advantages from a government plan outweigh the adverse selection into that plan, avoiding an adverse selection death spiral.  Hard to say - I'm a Ph.D. economist but not a health expert.  

Edwards has a tougher time with foreign policy.  He voted for the war in Iraq, and even though he regrets that vote, he was still wrong.  Also, we're not sure where he stands on Iran, or other foreign policy problems.  This actually puts him behind even Obama, who was right on Iraq and has spent a lot of time traveling the world and learning about foreign policy and attempting to implement common-sense, important issues like getting rid of "loose nukes" in the former Soviet Union and keeping them away from terrorists.

Bill Richardson:  Richardson is an interesting candidate, and I think we'll be hearing more from him as the year goes on.  His candidacy has some problems, though, and we'll get to those here.  I think that Richardson will come in fourth, like he is now, but he has an outside chance of winning the nomination if Hillary collapses and he picks up her support.

Framing: Why is Bill Richardson running?  I don't know.  I think he'd make a good president, but I don't know why he's running.  I also don't see any themes for his campaign.  As a former diplomat (he was Ambassador to the U.N.), he could have a theme of "trust" and build around that.  I'd trust him to get us out of the mess we're in as a country - he just needs to build the frame.

Friends: Bill Richardson has had good fundraising ($6M last quarter) and is building a credible campaign.  He doesn't have the off-line or on-line infrastructure that Edwards or Obama do, but it's not too late to build that.  He needs to get moving, though, and he is.

Facts: Bill Richardson has by far the best qualifications to be our next president.  He is currently the Governor of New Mexico, and before that he was Ambassador to the U.N., Secretary of Energy, and a Congressman from New Mexico.  He is the only U.S. diplomat the North Koreans trust, and he negotiates well with the government of Sudan.  He's done a good job in New Mexico, and has the clearest and most progressive plan to get us out of Iraq.  He wants no residual forces and then wants to work with Iraq's neighbors to stabilize Iraq.  If elected, Richardson's foreign policy would make us proud and erase much of the damage that George W. Bush has done to our national security.

Richardson is more centrist than I am on economic policy, but I think he could be effective.  He's a notable free trader (which is unfortunate), but I think he would be very good at economic development because he's done a good job as Governor of New Mexico.

Overall, Richardson could be a great candidate and could win the Democratic nomination and the presidency.  But, he can't make the mistake of past candidates and think that his resume is enough.  He really needs to set some frames for his campaign and get more people involved.  If he does this, he could leapfrog the rest of the field.

The Republican Candidates:  All the current Republican candidates are awful.  I don't know why any of them are running, other than a naked pursuit of power.  McCain doesn't even have the benefit of the "Straight Talk Express" because he's lost track of reality (remember his stroll in Baghdad). Other than McCain, the Republican candidates don't have a large number of donors, and McCain is spending too much money to get his donors (even though he has a good web site and online presence).  Republican activists hate all their candidates, and all the Republican candidates are wrong on the facts as they support our failed occupation of Iraq.  What a bunch of losers!  We'll beat whomever we face, and I hope we pull a ton of new House and Senate Democrats into office on our presidential candidate's coattails.

Past Democratic Candidates:  Let's be honest - most of our past Democratic candidates have been awful.  Since the death of RFK, the only good presidential candidates have been Bill Clinton, Edwards 2008 (so far), and Obama 2008 (so far).  Edwards 2004 was decent as well - given a more logical (longer!) primary setup I think he would have won the nomination.  Jesse Jackson actually wasn't bad; the country just wasn't ready for a Black president.  And Carter - after Watergate, Carter almost had to win (and almost lost anyway).

Generally, our candidates were bad because they never had solid frames explaining why they were running.  Kerry certainly didn't.  Gore 2000 was an exception in that he had a frame ("people vs. the powerful") but it was the wrong frame.  How can you run a "people vs. the powerful" campaign when you are the vice president?  You are the powerful!  Even worse, Gore is the son of a U.S. Senator!  He's always been the powerful!  Instead, Gore should have run on a "progress and prosperity" frame in 2000.  He would have won the president my more than enough so that the Bush family and the Supreme Court couldn't steal it away from him.

Bill Clinton was much better.  Running as the "man from Hope", Bill Clinton ran a great campaign.  He explained why he was running and got people involved.  He understood policy and earned his two terms in the White House.  It's a shame that Hillary isn't as good.  Heck, I don't think that Bill Clinton is nearly as good anymore, even if the Constitution allowed him a third term.

Howard Dean was an interesting case.  He was great on the facts, as he was a popular, effective, and knowledgeable Governor of Vermont who strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq.  He was also great at building a movement to both take over the Democratic Party and win the Democratic primaries.  It just didn't happen.

I'm not sure that Dean had an effective frame.  I was a Dean supporter, and the phrase I remember most from his campaign was the phrase, "you have the power".  It was great to build a movement, but wasn't a frame to build around.  He became the guy from the movie, Network, stating that, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"  Because there was no frame, the media and much of the rest of the Democratic Party framed Dean as angry and unhinged.  It was horribly unfair, but we must understand that if we don't set our own frames that our enemies will do it for us.  We'll get framed as un-American, immoral, and possibly even worse.  We need to set the terms of the argument and make our case for a better America to the American people.

Has the Democratic Party learned its lessons well?  I guess that's the final and most important question.  I think we have, even if not all parts of the Democratic Party have gotten the memo.  Dean is the head of the DNC.  Edwards and Obama are great candidates, and we've had a lot of great U.S. Senate candidates as well (Webb, Tester, etc.).  We've even had some fantastic U.S. House candidates (Kissell, Sestak, etc.), even if Rahm Emanuel wasn't very good at finding and supporting them.  We here in the netroots really need to hold our candidates accountable for running good campaigns (frames, friends, and then facts in that order) and then supporting good policy when they get into office.  If we do that, the sky is the limit for the progressive movement in America.



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Obama friends: (1.25 / 4)

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/35509 9,cst-nws-rez24a.article

Friends like slumlords who leave their cities hanging for millions and their tenants without heat in the winter - but who are nice enough to do some real estate deals for ya.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:42:12 PM EST

Obama has a lot of supporters (none / 0)

some of us are sinners. rezko is a dick and he gave to every politician under the sun. way to run for office Barack! you just lost my vote!


by faithfull on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:14:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama friends: (3.00 / 0)

Cheap shot!  Obama did five hours of simple leagal work for a public/private partnership intended to develop low-income housing.  Yes, one of his early supporters has turned out to be a bit sleazy, but there is no evidence that Obama took any action to benifit Rezko.  This is a BS smear and any Dem who repeats Repub smears should be banished.


by upper left on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:38:16 PM EST
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Look at the deal with Barry's house (none / 0)

that reeks of a sleazy inside deal


by dpANDREWS on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:48:24 PM EST
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Funny thing about that... (3.00 / 1)

is nobody ever accused Obama of legal or ethical violations with his house purchase.  Resko (through his wife) bought land next door.  And sold Obama a small strip.  At market prices.  And got nothing in return.  All properly documented, legal, and conforming with Senate ethics.

But Obama still came out and said he regretted the deal...and called it a "boneheaded" move he wouldn't make again, because he holds himself to a higher standard.

Obviously a sleazy politician.


by rashomon on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:07:32 PM EST
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Re: Funny thing about that... (none / 0)

I think the Obama slanders have actually gotten weaker...


by faithfull on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:39:31 PM EST
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Obama seems to be made of Teflon (none / 0)

... At least in the eyes of his supporters

Politics as usual.


by dpANDREWS on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 08:15:39 AM EST
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Re: Obama seems to be made of Teflon (none / 0)

Politics as usual as in raising money from 100,000 people in Q1? Or politics as usual as in defending yourself from Fox News calling your guy an Islamist?


by faithfull on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 09:32:04 AM EST
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Politics as usual (none / 0)

Shady land deals.  Shady stock deals.  Taking money from Swift Boat Republicans and slumlords.


by dpANDREWS on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 10:02:46 AM EST
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Re: Politics as usual (none / 0)

If you mean that he is being smeared with all of those BS accusations, then I agree completely and must have mis-understood your original post.


by faithfull on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 11:11:59 AM EST
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Re: Politics as usual (3.00 / 1)

How is a properly documented house deal, which gave him no benefit shady?  

I can understand criticizing someone for being guilty of something, but to criticize someone for being guilty of nothing, when there is evidence of nothing, is ridiculous.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 11:43:50 AM EST
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Re: Politics as usual (none / 0)

Guilt by association is not in and of itself very convincing.  Unless you can show a significant pattern of associating with nasty people, or use of public position for private gain, it is a weak accusation that lacks credibility.

Repeating a weak accusation agaainst another Dem is smear behavior and deserves contempt.


by upper left on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 05:05:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama friends: (none / 0)

After this wonderful, thoughtful and positive diary, the first comment is a disappointment and unworthy of the effort the diarist expended.  Can we please stop the flaming!?!


by pamelabrown on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 10:47:34 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama and the (3.00 / 1)

I guess we can't expect an impartial analysis, but if you make statements "of fact" you should provide some proof.  Where is Clinton's campaign "a mess"?   That is the first I have heard that her actual campaign organization is not up to par.  How come YOU are "realizing" what most don't?   Could you post the insider info that has led to this statement, so we can all share in the realization?


by georgep on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:50:35 PM EST

Don't spoil the fantasy (1.50 / 2)

The Obamamaniacs live a different reality.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:53:25 PM EST
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Re: Don't spoil the fantasy (none / 0)

really? c'mon.


by faithfull on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:15:11 PM EST
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Re: Don't spoil the fantasy (none / 0)

You know, for a Democrat, I'd expect better than Fox news style smearing.  You know, the kind with 0 evidence.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 11:46:30 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama and the (none / 0)

I think Clinton's campaign is a mess based on the criteria I've laid out above.  Hillary is doing a great job raising money, but I STRONGLY believe that her campaign is going to fail miserably because no one really knows why she is running.  Why should any of us vote for Hillary?  It feels like Hillary is running just because of her own ambition, and not really to serve the public.


by econlibVA on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:05:46 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama and the (none / 0)

I want to say two things about this.

One, insider info is often unable to be sourced - sometimes we have to take people at their word.  For example, I've been privy to some info from inside the Edwards campaign because of my involvement that I can't source with a link.  But I can give you my word, and I can't imagine that anyone with integrity would sacrifice their credibility to make an ad hominem attack on anyone or any candidate in the MyDD community.  If someone does, no matter who they back, shame on them.

Second, all indications, from both past campaigns and this time around, is that Hillary Clinton's ship is always tight.  No matter what you think of her strategy, her positions, or her tactics, etc., you can't fault them for running a bad campaign.  

I would have to hear from Patti Solis-Doyle herself that things aren't running too smoothly at Clinton HQ to believe it.


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:11:14 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama and the (none / 0)

I should be clear that I think that Hillary Clinton understands how to raise money and build campaign infrastructure.  When people normally say that a campaign is a "mess", they mean that the candidate is having trouble raising money or finding volunteers.  In other words, people tend to measure campaigns by campaign organization.  I don't think that that's the only way to measure a campaign, although campaign organization is important.  Even though Hillary has a solid campaign organization, her campaign has VERY deep problems for the reasons I write above.  She is really setting herself up to be destroyed by both Obama and Edwards because they will both frame her (explicitly or implicitly) as a shallow political opportunist, and to some extent they will be right.


by econlibVA on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:25:29 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama and the (none / 0)

 Oh well, never mind.  I am looking to see the total annihilation of the Clinton campaign by BOTH Obama and Edwards (not just one of them, but actually both) based on your "feelings" anytime soon now.  

What is valuable to bear in mind is that posters here ca. October/November 2006 insisted that Clinton's campaign would be a complete non-starter, that Edwards would easily be the instant favorite upon entering and that Clinton would be a distant third or fourth in early polling because she is "not well liked."   I guess some of you are still rubbing their eyes and feeling to be in an alternative universe, as most everybody insists that they "don't know a single soul who likes Clinton" and can't understand that 95% of the polls show her in a strong position.


by georgep on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:59:05 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure this post... (none / 0)

is opinion and armchair prognostication.  So, I'm not sure facts are required...at this stage, anyone can spin the numbers and get the conclusion they want.


by rashomon on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:09:27 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama and the (none / 0)

Hillary is the only one of the major candidates whose numbers have consistently been falling since the campaign began. Results count.

Her campaign is a mess.


by Mystylplx on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 03:55:22 PM EST
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do the Hillary supporter really want to debate (none / 0)

the things supporters and friends have done that are unethical and illegal come on! I remember a pardon on the last day of the Clinton years that I don't think anyone can defend for starters.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:11:46 PM EST

unfair to Clinton (none / 0)

I enjyed this post overall, but I think you're unfair to Clinton.  

I would say her frame is "Proven success".  Regarding the friends category, didn't she have more donors than Edwards in Q1?


by kiwing on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:16:08 PM EST

Re: unfair to Clinton (none / 0)

Clinton did have more donors than Edwards in Q1.  "Proven Success" is a tough frame for her though, if that's really the frame (I haven't seen it), because she's not an incumbent.  She can certainly do the job based on her experience and the Clinton Administration contacts, but that's different from being an incumbent.  Clinton doesn't really have a vision of government that the voters can grasp.  Also, how big of a success can Clintonism be if all of it can be reversed by 8 years of George W. Bush?  I'm not sure if saying that is fair, but I think that's how the voters feel.


by econlibVA on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:25:09 PM EST
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Re: unfair to Clinton (3.00 / 1)

The notion that voters choose candidates based on experience is highly overrated.  Experience means little, ask Cheney and Rumsfeld.  Voters make decision based on values, judgement, and character.

"Proven success" is not a frame.  It is a claim of special knowledge.  To the extent that HRC has a frame it seems to be "I am tougher than the Repub bastards, and I can beat them at their own game."  This is why she refused to apologize for her vote on AUMF. This is not going to work.

There are many signs that HRC's balloon is starting to leak air.  Her favorablity rating  among Dems, the very thing that was holding her up, have been eroding for two months. I could go on and on....


by upper left on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:51:00 PM EST
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ok, maybe "proven winner" (none / 0)

OK, maybe "proven winner" would be more accurate in describing Clinton's main message.  

My point wasn't to argue if it would be effective (I don't know, frankly) -- just that Clinton does have a fair amount of consistency in her campaign messaging.


by kiwing on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 04:35:57 PM EST
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Re: ok, maybe "proven winner" (none / 0)

OK, maybe "proven winner" would be more accurate in describing Clinton's main message.  

And that is a frame-- in fact, I think one could argue it's the frame that Bush won the 2004 elections on...


by Silent sound on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:14:47 PM EST
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Re: ok, maybe "proven winner" (none / 0)

Yes, that's waht she's trying to argue. "Proven winner."

Unfortunately it's true for her husband and not for her.


by Mystylplx on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 03:57:19 PM EST
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the Modern Progressive Campaign (3.00 / 3)

I really appreciate this diary, there was a lot of thought put into it and it deserves the Rec I just gave it.

I disagree with you on which candidate to support, but agree with you on much of the substance.  The Edwards Achilles Heel is foreign policy, but that's true of all the Democratic candidates save Biden, Richardson and Dodd--all second-tier candidates.

My major problem with Obama is the notion of the Two Obamas.  There is Obama the candidate, the guy who says he's against the Iraq War, and Obama the Senator, who votes to continue funding the war (thereby endorsing and reauthorizing it each time).  There is the Obama who pledges to be a different kind of candidate, and the Obama who relies on the same types of tactics as "normal" candidates.

What is sad to me is, if Obama were a white Senator running the exact same campaign, he would be a second-tier candidate.  Being black is the only reason he is taken seriously as a candidate.  I know that statement is going to get me flamed, but think about it.  You know I'm right.


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by Vox Populi on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:23:03 PM EST

Re: the Modern Progressive Campaign (3.00 / 2)

Obama's Blackness shapes his campaign, as it's a part of his biography.  But, that's no different from John Edwards, whose experience growing up working class and then fighting for the working class as a lawyer shape his outlook.  I think Obama would be just as good a candidate if he were White, but his campaign would be different because his biography would be different.

I don't think it's two Obamas - I think his record and his rhetoric are pretty compatible.

I think Obama's done OK as a senator, even though I'd like him to be more progressive than he is (and he is a progressive).  I accept it, though, as there are few politicians who hold the exact views I hold (sharply left-wing on foreign policy and social views, and center-left on economic policy).


by econlibVA on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:30:12 PM EST
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Re: the Modern Progressive Campaign (3.00 / 2)

If there are two Obamas, there's the Obama of reality, and the Obama that his supporters portray him as.  If you want to run as a centrist and a process-reforming above-the-fray candidate, fine.  But people shouldn't portray you as a map-changing progressive movement type.

I don't necessarily say the diarist is guilty of this, but I'm saying that's the general tenor of DKos and MyDD when it comes to Obamamania.


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by Peter from WI on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:13:41 PM EST
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Re: the Modern Progressive Campaign (3.00 / 1)


But people shouldn't portray you as a map-changing progressive movement type.

This is an interesting point.  I think the difference is between folks who think "map-changing progressive" means a solid liberal who's "likeable" and appeals to moderates...and folks who think "map-changing progressive" means a solid liberal candidate who strongly voices progressive views.

Folks who tend toward the former view like Obama, folks who tend toward the latter favor Edwards.


by rashomon on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:14:34 PM EST
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Re: the Modern Progressive Campaign (3.00 / 2)

I don't think its that clearcut. I don't know that Obama would be tied with Hillary in the latest Rasmussen nationwide poll if he was not black ... and indeed, it would be easier to make a case that he would be third instead of second in the top tier ... but on the other hand, switch his foreign born father from Kenya to Poland, and there would be some gains for him as well (and yes, I pick Poland to help ensure that in the alternate universe he is still the junior Senator from Illinois).

There is no doubt that Hillary, in the two years that she spent pre-running for the nomination, expected to have close to a lock on the black primary vote, and the fact that Obama is an African American upsets that political calculus tremendously. But he is also running as the "fresh  face" against a front runner that is very, very well known.

As long as he delivers a speech as well, and delivered a speech as Illinois State Senator where he called the Iraq invasion a "stupid war", then he would have a serious prospect of being in the mix at a reasonably high level.

His message on politics is in many ways similar to Gary Hart's, and Hart seemed to do OK as a white guy, until he got caught on camera being where he probably should not be.


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by BruceMcF on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:28:40 PM EST
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hmmm (none / 0)

well, Russ Feingold has voted for funding the war(he voted for the 87 billi0n dollars that Kerry and Edward voted against), and I dont think that means he endorses the war. Edwards seems like two different people as well. For example, there is the Edwards that cosponsored the war resolution and there iss the Edwards that is now against the war.  


by jj32 on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:21:22 PM EST
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Re: hmmm (3.00 / 1)

I think splitting any of the candidates into two like that is dubious. Edwards changed his position over time, he learned from his mistakes. That doesn't make two of him.

I don't think there are two Obama's either. Some people just don't like what he says sometimes.

I'm an Edwards supporter, but I'd be happy if Obama won the nomination, too.


by College Progressive on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:00:44 PM EST
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Re: hmmm (none / 0)

Edwards changing his position on the war reminds me of RFK. He worked with his brother and got the wheels rolling on the Vietnam War. Once LBJ went full force, RFK started to see the error in his ways. RFK became a vocal opponent of the war and a true fighter for the less fortunate in rural and urban areas. I don't think any less of RFK because of his mistake, he's human after all and he's my political hero. They both were wrong, realized their mistakes and became the opposition to the war. Plus, they both focused more on poverty then any other politician since FDR.


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by Sarah Lane on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:46:53 PM EST
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It's not fair (none / 0)

to say if Obama weren't black...

cause he is black, it's part of who he is. It's like saying if John Edwards didn't have a head, people wouldn't like him. Or something.


by david mizner on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 10:49:12 AM EST
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Read David Sirota's piece like this too (3.00 / 1)

I rec'ed this because, like Vox Populi, even being an Edwards supporter means you can rec pro-Obama pieces when they're thoughtful and considered.

But for my money (and the Internet is still free), there's no better writing breaking down campaigns into three parts than David Sirota's "People Party and Money Party" piece.  Themes, teams, and enemies tell you most everything you need to know about where the candidates are right now.


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by Peter from WI on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:16:57 PM EST

Re: Read David Sirota's piece like this too (3.00 / 1)

I read that piece, and I think it's interesting.  I think it's a useful way to get beyond the rhetoric and see where candidates really stand on issues, which is different from this article.  I'm sympathetic to what Sirota writes there; Edwards is well to the left of Obama and Hillary on economic issues, and is closer to my personal beliefs.


by econlibVA on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:32:38 PM EST
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Re: Read David Sirota's piece like this too (3.00 / 0)

Sirota has a burr up his behind, about Obama, the size of a bowling ball.  I followed every link in Sirota's piece, and he misrepresented half of the pieces he refrenced.  He did the same thing in a piece he did for the Nation last fall.  I don't know what the history is there, but something is up.

Trying to argue that there is little daylight between HRC and Obama, on questions of economic policy and corporate influence, is simply not true.  HRC has a fifteen year association with the Bob Rubin, Wall Street insider crowd.  Obama has no history of being that tight with the big insiders.  He had a solidly progressive record in the Illinois Senate, and the most progressive voting record of any of the Senate Dems. My guess, based on having read everything I can get my hands on about Obama, is that Obama would govern as progressively, if not more so, than Edwards.  

Many, many progressives seem to be confusing political positioning for the campaign with governing substance.  Edwards is positioning himself to the left because he has to.  It is the only space available.  HRC is the better funded, establishment candidate with the strong ties to the DLC wing of the party.  Obama is the classic reformer who is trying to talk about process and has the clean record on the war. The only oxygen available to Edwards is on the left.

Obama faces an entirely different challenge.  Because he is trying to break the color barrier, he has to run more to the center, in order to avoid being labled as unelectable.  Obama's team  saw what happened to Dean when he was labeled as the progressive, anti-war candidate by the MSM.  Obama has to be careful.

Don't be fooled.  Obama's life choices, his education, his voting record, and his books all suggest that he would govern as the most progressive President we have had since FDR. He isn't a revolutionary, he isn't anti-corporate, he isn't a dovish isolationist, but he is a solid progressive


by upper left on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:17:30 PM EST
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Re: Read David Sirota's piece like this too (3.00 / 1)

Obama hired someone from Rubin, I think.  And he spoke at the opening of the Hamilton Project as well.  Barack definitely has Rubin ties.


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by jallen on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:45:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Rubin ties (3.00 / 1)

Rubin's son, James, is one of Obama's chief Wall Street fundraisers. Obama's top domestic policy advisor, Karen Kornbluh, was Rubin's deputy chief of staff. I've seen that Steve Hildebrand, Obama's chief of staff, has been linked to Rubin, but as far as I can tell, i's only because he held the same position for Tom Daschle, who was supposedly also a big Rubin ally. Of course, Obama also gave he keynote address at the launching of the Hamilton Project, as others have noted, and his only quibble with them seemed to be that in the past, policy makers have not followed through with enough effort on job retraining programs.


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by clarkent on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:20:42 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Rubin ties (none / 0)

I really dislike "guilt by association" attacks.  If there is an extensive crossover it is legitimate, but if one or two of the 200 people on his campaign staff have some link, I think it is a real stretch.  

My point is that Obama does not have a long history with the Wall Street crowd.  Certainly, he has looked for money from the hedge funds, but, come on people, does that mean that he has sold his soul?  I think not.


by upper left on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 05:34:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Rubin ties (none / 0)

Top domestic policy advisor and chief Wall Street fundraiser are not just a couple of staffers. I'm not saying that Obama is a Rubin clone or the standard bearer for "corporate Amerikkka" or some other hyperbole, but he does have strong ties to Rubin.


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by clarkent on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 05:52:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Rubin ties (none / 0)

I am not familiar enough with the woman who is his new policy advisor to really comment.  My main point is that I believe Sirota is irresponsible when he suggests that Obama is closer to Clinton than Edwards.  Based on everthing I have read by and about Obama, and based on his voting record, I simply do not believe it.

I do believe that the rhetorical and policy differences that have emerged between JE and BO, in the past couple of months, are primarily driven by the logic of political positioning rather than by any real difference in how they would govern.

I am astonished that so few in the blogosphere are discussing this fact.  Many progressives seem to be in such a hurry to scramble aboard the JE bandwagon that they do not seem to be examining the situation.  

Don't get me wrong, I like Edwards very much, and may end up supporting him.  At the moment, I lean towards Obama for a number of reasons.  Electability is my number one concern, and I think Obama is in a better position to hold the Repubs accountable on the war.  I also think Obama may have the longest coattails because I think he can bring in a few million new voters.  Bottom Line: progressives should treat each other with a little more respect and watch to see how the candidates perform


by upper left on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 06:58:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Rubin ties (none / 0)

Didn't Edwards work for a hedge fund?  Why then are we discussing only Obama's Wall Street ties?  Should we simply dismiss all of our leading candidates as too tied to Wall Street?


by Obama08 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 09:51:23 AM EST
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Re: Read David Sirota's piece like this too (none / 0)

This is a wise and sober analysis. Many, many more people -- progressives, in particular -- need to understand it. Thank you. My own diary urging progressives to take the long view on Obama is at http://mydd.com/story/2007/4/24/134521/0 38
by horizonr on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 07:06:20 PM EST
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Re: Read David Sirota's piece like this too (none / 0)

While I admired Obama's work in the Illinois state legislature, I am not convinced he will be as bold as President. I understand that he wants to appear more centrist to win the general, but I worry that he'll be too much of a compromiser and not push a bold agenda. I think the time is now for bold policies, we could pick up some more seats in Congress and have a real shot at passing UHC. Plus, with Obama's plans to build up our military like he wants to, I'm not sure how much more our country can financially afford to change or reform. I do like Obama, and would much prefer him over Hillary, I just prefer Edwards policy proposals and believe he'll work hard as hell to get UHC passed.


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by Sarah Lane on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:51:47 PM EST
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I'll echo what was said above (none / 0)

Which is that your statement that Clinton's campaign is a mess rings false.  When I was at the DNC winter meeting it was obvious that her campaign was incredibly well organized and supported.  I don't like it, but it's true.


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by John DE on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:31:27 PM EST

Re: I'll echo what was said above (none / 0)

It may be well organized but it is failing. She's the only major candidate whose numbers have been steadily dropping since the campaign began.

Results count. Her campaign is a mess.


by Mystylplx on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 04:01:10 PM EST
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On Frames and Friends and Facts. (3.00 / 2)

On Frames, I think both Obama and Edwards understand framing. However, Edwards core frame for 2008 is Working Society. If you want to know where to place his framing, he is closer to FDR's New Deal than to Huey Long ... but there might be just a touch of Long in there for spice.

On Friends, Obama and Edwards have distinctive strategies. Obama is focusing on numbers, hoping that same measurable percentage step up into engagement, while Edwards if focusing on recruiting people directly for grass roots action, hoping to have much better efficiency in terms translating that into active engagment for the campaign.

On Facts, I would point out regarding this remark:

However, his plan may be a step in the right direction if the cost advantages from a government plan outweigh the adverse selection into that plan, avoiding an adverse selection death spiral.
... that requiring that all private policies offer terms as good or better than the public plan and requiring all private plans to be open offers to any applicant substantially reduces the risks of adverse selection.

Sympathies on being an economist, but I'm told it sometimes happens to some nice people.


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by BruceMcF on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:40:26 PM EST

Re: On Frames and Friends and Facts. (3.00 / 0)

Bruce,

Good point on adverse selection.  The details of the implementation of the Edwards health plan would be VERY important.  Defining and enforcing the terms of private-sector health plans is difficult; it would be so much better (and easier) to move to a single-payer health plan (Medicare for All!).

You also have a very interesting point about how to place Edwards in historical context.  If Edwards can frame himself next to FDR rather than Long he has a better chance of being elected.  He might succeed - there is a long way to go in the campaign.


by econlibVA on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 04:00:36 PM EST
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Its much easier to control terms and conditions .. (3.00 / 1)

... when the private insurer is not dealing directly with the customer ... and when you take the private insurer completely out of the business of deciding who gets accepted for their plan, that eliminates a large area for adverse selection through individual risk assessment right off the bat.


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by BruceMcF on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 04:30:40 PM EST
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Re: On Frames and Friends and Facts. (3.00 / 1)

When you read FDR's speeches you realize that Edwards is VERY close to FDR. Edwards is not advocating a "share the wealth" type 100% income tax plan like Huey Long.

I think your characterization of him as being closer to Huey Long is pretty ignorant given what both men and Edwards have actually said.


by adamterando on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:26:39 PM EST
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On Frames, and Narratives: (none / 0)

Seems to me the candidate's campaign frames (and anti-frames) are as follows:

John Edwards

1) There are Two Americas

  1. Progressive wing of the party, I am one of you
  2. Look at all my substance and plans
  3. Pretend I was not the 2004 Vice Presidential nominee

Barack Obama

1) A new kind of politics

  1. An improbable quest (I am half-black)
  2. The next generation of leadership
  3. Pretend I wasn't nobody three years ago

Hillary Clinton

1) I am a woman

  1. I will crush the Republicans
  2. Didn't you like it when my husband was President?
  3. Pretend half the country doesn't hate me

Bill Richardson

1) I have the most experience

  1. I am a governor
  2. I am Hispanic
  3. Pretend I am not fat

IMO, this is what I hear.


by Korha on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:22:32 PM EST

Re: On Frames, and Narratives: (none / 0)

Bill Richardson also:

- pretend I'm not a Republican when it comes to domestic policy.

  • pretend I don't sell out Democrats and progressives.
  • pretend I shouldn't keep my day job.


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by Peter from WI on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 01:08:18 PM EST
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Re: On Frames, and Narratives: (none / 0)

The smug condecension of the Obama haters is really, really, offensive.  It is fine if you prefer other candidates, make your arguments, but have a little respect.  

Obama has more legislative experience than either HRC or JE. He was a con law professor for 10 years at a top tier school. He graduated Magna Cum Laude in International Affairs form Columbia.  He has more academic bachground, more travel, and more extensive Third World experince than JE, and I don't see people bashing Edwards.


by upper left on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 05:42:16 PM EST
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Re: On Frames, and Narratives: (none / 0)

Just talking about campaign frames. Tell me where you disagree with them. I tried to be pretty objective.

Oh, and I am an Obama supporter. Just donated some more money in fact.  


by Korha on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:17:48 PM EST
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