Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement In 2008 Campaign

This is a follow-up to my earlier argument that, apart from fundraising, the structural underpinnings of the 2008 campaign--frontloading, lots of early attention, and a drawn out pre-primary process--are actually healthy for American democracy. There was so much pushback in the comments, from so many different directions, that I felt a second post would be more helpful than simply responding to every single comment. In short, I am not backing down from my position at all, and in the extended entry I explain why.

According to Pew (PDF), the public is far more engaged in the 2008 campaign than any other presidential election during that time period. Here are the average results for how closely people are paying attention to each of the last six presidential campaigns before the start of the primary / caucus season:

Public Engagement In Presidential Campaigns, Pre-Primary
Year Very Close Attention Somewhat Close Attention Total
2008 21.4% 30.8% 52.2%
2004 12.2% 26.9% 39.1%
2000 15.5% 32.2% 47.8%
1996 11.5% 33.8% 45.3%
1992 10.5% 26.5% 37.0%
1988 14.5% 31.0% 45.5%

Already, nine months out, the public is more engaged in the 2008 presidential election than it was during the pre-primary period during any of the last five presidential campaigns. In fact, for the first time in decades, more than half of the country is either "very" are "somewhat" closely engaged in the presidential election during the pre-primary period. The gap between 2008 and previous elections is further emphasized when one considers that the average poll used to determine interest the other campaigns was taken in October--fully seven months later than the average poll used to determine interest in the 2008 campaign. Had the comparison been made to interest in presidential campaigns at equivalent dates, the gap between 2008 and previous elections would be much greater than this already significant upturn. Further, the percentage of the population registering a particularly high level of engagement in the campaign is 50% greater than the previous "open seat" elections of 1988 and 2000. This increased public interest in the campaign is matched by the rapidly increasing amount of campaign donors and the number of people attending campaign rallies, both of which are easily on record pace compared to other recent elections.

One of the main complaints that people brought up in the comments to my previous post was that most voters were not paying attention yet, and would not do so until January. Thus, even with a longer campaign, most voters would still have less time to make up their minds because there will be only twenty-two days between the Iowa caucuses and Super Tuesday. However, this data shows quite clearly that voters are not waiting until January to start paying attention. Instead, they are paying attention now. This will lead to significantly higher levels of voter turnout than previous primary / caucus seasons. This also means voters will spend more time, not less, making a decision on who to support. And yes, because of the frontloading, far more people will potentially have a say in who is nominated. Increased turnout, more informed voters, a greatly expanded electorate and increased grassroots activism--this is why it is a good thing the campaign is receiving so much attention early in the season.

Now, some commenters took umbrage with my characterization of those who opposed such an early start to the campaign season as cynical about voters and political activism. I stand by that too. The entire notion that the primary / caucus season needs to be spaced out because people don't start paying attention until January demonstrates a lower level of faith in the American electorate than is deserved--a lack of faith that is accurately characterized as cynical. The truth is, not only are people clearly paying attention at higher levels than previous elections, but the entire reason people are paying more attention is because of the wave of grassroots and netroots people-powered progressive activism that has arisen in the past few years. Pew's data strongly suggests this to be the case:
First, a larger percentage of the Democrats than Republicans are paying attention to the campaign (31% vs. 20%). Notably, 38% of liberal Democrats say they have given the campaign a lot of thought, compared with just 24% of conservative Republicans. And while nearly half of Democrats (46%) volunteered a presidential candidate they might support, only 29% of Republicans named a candidate for whom they might vote.
It isn't just that people in general are paying more attention to this presidential election than they have in the past, but that liberal and progressive Democrats are paying way more attention than they have in the past. Hmmm... why would liberal Democrats be so much more engaged in the 2008 presidential election than in previous elections? What could possibly have changed? Was there some new development over the past four years that profoundly altered the progressive political landscape? Of course there was. The progressive blogosphere, netroots and grassroots, the same people powered movement that time and time again has demonstrated an ability to engage, agitate and activate progressive and liberal Democrats on a scale not seen in decades, came into maturity during the last four years. Simply put, the people-powered progressive movement is the cause for greater interest in the presidential campaign. Why else would Clinton, Edwards and Obama all erased once enormous head-to-head general election deficits against both McCain and Giuliani over the past few months? The Democratic edge both in attention and general election poll trends isn't starpower, as both McCain and Giuliani started this campaign better known and better liked than all three top Democrats. The reason is because progressive movement is driving interest in, attention to, and even largely creating the content of, this campaign. We are the ones providing the large crowds, the huge numbers of campaign donors, and the engaged rank and file--not Republicans, not Independents, and not even really "moderates."

From where I sit, I see a progressive, people-powered movement as the cause for record levels of voter engagement in a presidential election. This new voter engagement is not restricted simply to dedicated political activists, and is instead broadly based. Further, it is helping all Democrats improve their general election performance against all Republicans. As a result of this, we will have a larger, more informed, more engaged, and more progressive electorate. These developments are all very, very good, both for America and for American democracy. If you think the campaign has started too early, it just seems to me that you are giving neither the American people nor the progressive movement enough credit. Don't be so cynical. We saw how well that worked from 1994-2004. I am sure there are some people who miss that time period when engaging in politics, much less from a progressive perspective, simply wasn't something that the average American did. That phenomenon certainly helped conservatives regularly get away with bloody murder, entirely unchecked. Fortunately, people are changing now, by becoming more engaged, more active, and more progressive. I am thrilled with these developments, none of which would have been possible if the campaign had not started "way too early." An active, engaged populace is a hallmark of a healthy democracy, while complaints about excessive political activism and civic engagement is a hallmark of a thriving aristocracy.

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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

I'm with Bowers on this, just because T-Mac wanted to front-load for a DLC nominee last time doesn't mean that front-loading this time isn't the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party since T-Mac was replaced as Chair.

We'll get a better nominee this way, and the barbs at the "inevitable" front-runner will involve asking Hillary to take her horse with her.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:27:42 AM EST

Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

The longer the process the better.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:42:17 AM EST

Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

I gotta disagree, I think progressives are at the point where we can go all-in against Hillary's DLC and come out on top. If it goes early, it will be a full year of more intense primary campaign, that is more than enough.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:57:02 AM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

My problem, and pardon me if someone brought this up in the last thread, is that nothing actually seems to get done during the campaign season.  9 months seems an awfully long time to effectively stall the government. Though, now that I think about it, maybe that's more true when an incumbent is running?


Sam L
by Sam L on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 09:01:41 AM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

Does your theory about Hillary Clinton's poll numbers being inflated look better or worse because of these numbers? Are you saying primary voters are mostly from the 'Very Close Attention' column and those voters are more likely to go for Obama and/or Edwards? If so, how can you tell HRC's voters are from more the 'Somewhat Close Attention' column?


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:49:53 AM EST

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Hard to say, because it is just a theory and needs to be tested. I would still bet that Clinton does better among the "somewhat close attention" Dems than among the "very close attention Dems." But testing is needed.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:57:46 AM EST
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Data point (3.00 / 1)

  We just had our third annual Western Maryland Caucus meeting up in Cumberland this weekend. We conducted a straw poll, which involved voting by a little over 100 people who could generally be characterized as "somewhat-to-very close attention Dems".

  Edwards won going away, with 38%. Clinton and Obama were in a virtual tie for second -- Hillary at 19%, Barack at 18%. Richardson was the best of the rest at 9%.

 Gore was included. He got 6%.

 Western MD is conservative, even among Democrats. Just a data point I thought I'd throw out that involves a non-blogosphere pool of voters...


by Master Jack on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:58:16 AM EST
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2nd Data point (none / 0)

We did a Straw Poll at our Democratic Reunion 4/21 in Huntsville Alabama.

Edwards 33%
Clinton  31%
Obama  20%
Richardson 6%

A couple of hundred people voted, most of them paying pretty close attention.  Worth noting also, Bill Clinton spoke at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner the night before and lots of people at the reunion also attended that, plus it was highly publicized for the preceding 3 weeks.


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by Mooncat on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 11:37:36 AM EST
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Another tiny data point (none / 0)

I looked through the fundraising records for names of local donors I knew -- and was surprised to see a couple who had maxed out to Hillary. These were precisely the kind of people I consider essentially apolitical: they know they have to throw down in the  political system to keep their country afloat -- but they don't really pay any attention. Donating is habit, not formed conviction. I am sure they are "not paying much attention." Never have.


Can It Happen Here?
by janinsanfran on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 11:24:14 AM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (3.00 / 1)

It is absolutely critical that the primary season doesn't end prematurely.

I recall in 2004 that when the media declared it "over" - John Kerry didn't have the 50% of the delegates that he needed to win a first-ballot majority at the convention.  In fact, I don't think he was even halfway to halfway.

We might all have different favorites, but I think we can agree that the presidential primary season shouldn't be over until it's really over -- and someone has 50% of the delegates required.

It is not in the interest of the progressive movement, the eventual nominee, or the Democratic Party to prematurely end the process.  

There will certainly be calls for people to end it early, so the nominee can conserve funds.  But that's shortsighted.  One thing we learned in 2004 is that our nominee will have plenty of money -- it's the national conversation (buzz, free media, focus on our policy agenda) that the primary season gives us... and that's too critical to shortcircuit.


by karichisholm on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:56:00 AM EST

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So let's have more states move up (which is going to happen). Let's just get it on, it will be a full year of campaigning and with all the press attention and blogs and emails and such we'll know where they stand. Let's get it on.

This is the only way we can ensure Hillary loses and Democrats win.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 01:00:01 AM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

I'd like Oregon to move up to late Feb./early March now.  Unfortunately, they're talking about Feb. 5th.  Well then, I guess I might need to get in gear and find some people from the Edwards campaign.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 01:08:26 AM EST
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Juanita Millender-McDonald (none / 0)

  My Congressperson just died--now what?


by whomever1 on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:58:53 AM EST

Re: Juanita Millender-McDonald (3.00 / 1)

I'm sorry about your loss.

The Clerk of the House seized her offices and will ensure that constituent services continue in the absence. Arnold must call a Special Election, it is a safe Dem seat, so you'll get to be part of an important debate as to where we want our Party to go.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 01:02:32 AM EST
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Re: Juanita Millender-McDonald (none / 0)

There is more at Calitics


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 01:05:40 AM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

I would agree wholeheartedly with your points if--and only if--we had better public financing.  The front loaded primary does benefit candidates with more money and I don't think that the ability to raise funds should be a criteria the electoral system favors.  I've worked in the finance offices for a number of political campaigns and I just don't think you can draw a one to one connection between money raised and actual support.  If certain wealthy interests/people think you are going to win, they will contribute money to your campaign.  For a lot of those $2300 check writers, it is a judgment not on your merits as a potential office-holder, but as a race horse.


by LPMandrake on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 01:06:07 AM EST

Uh oh. (none / 0)

We are the ones providing the large crowds, the huge numbers of campaign donors, and the engaged rank and file--not Republicans, not Independents, and not even really "moderates."

That worries me like you would not believe. Isn't that what happened with Dean that translated into nothing? Voter interest might be high (personally I think anything that gives us a long drawn out nomination fight is a good thing) I don't know, but if the only people coming to the Presidential Candidate crowds are the "choir" so to speak...

...well I'm not sure how much that tells us. I can understand an argument that if the foot-soldiers are this charged up this early that when they are finally unleashed it will be in a huge burst of energy, but I don't buy it.

Also, if regular people are paying attention this early couldn't that lead to campaign fatigue even earlier?


by MNPundit on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 02:06:09 AM EST

Re: Uh oh. (none / 0)

Four years ago, in the first two quarters Dean only had 500 more donors than Obama had in the first quarter this year. There is amazing energy and citing the DNC/press take down of Dean has no relationship.

As for fatigue, that is only a product of crappy consultants who convince dumbass candidates to run try-not-to-lose campaigns. A growth curve wants to keep growing and it only collapses because dipshits like those surrounding Hillary force it down.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 02:26:34 AM EST
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Re: Uh oh. (none / 0)

But we have it going not just for one insurgent candidate, but for pretty much all comers (in the top tier).


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by Peter from WI on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:02:13 AM EST
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Re: Uh oh. (none / 0)

When 20,000 people show up to see Obama, that's the biggest "choir" I've ever heard of!


by joyful alternative on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:02:36 AM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (3.00 / 1)

Talk about blog triumphalism. I'm all for the "progressive blogosphere, netroots and grassroots" (and certainly an avid fan of this site).
But the reason Democrats and liberals are so involved in this election is because of George Bush.  Hundreds of millions of Americans are furious at this administration's atrocious handling of our country. And so we're mobilizing. The progressive blogosphere is important -- crucial, even to the progressive movement -- but not as central as Chris is suggesting here: "Simply put, the people-powered progressive movement is the cause for greater interest in the presidential campaign."
I mean, c'mon.

by AdyBarkan on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 02:20:39 AM EST

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Where we goin' then? So what if George Bush is a polarizer, a divider and a bang on 'conservative'. That's just what we progressives need to make our case with the American people.

Politics is about realities. The ones that exist now and the ones we the whacked out netizens want to see be created. To say that George Bush is the reason folks are taking an interest in the reality of politics and how it is done in this country is like saying water runs downhill.

'We' exist and we are not going away.

The 'conservative' are the ones who are looking extinction in the face because their policies and agenda have been and will always be utter failures. It's taken a good while for this to become evident to 'folk's but that has happened.

There's no going back.

And 'we' are only going  to get stronger.
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by Pericles on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 09:28:29 AM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

unfortunately, i agree.. we just don't know what's causing the increased enthusiasm.  i'd like to think it's the progressive movement, and i think we deserve at least some share of the credit.

but the fact that liberal democrats are paying more attention than conservative republicans doesn't say anything about why they are doing so.  it could be because liberal dems finally see bush and the republican machine as beatable, so they're chomping at the bit to go vote the bums out next year.  it could be the progressive blogosphere.  it could be the oscars, i suppose.

one thing which i do think is interesting, and which very few people have really investigated, is the weakness of the Republican ticket.  why did mccain's numbers collapse?  it's not entirely because of the way the progressive blogs are attacking him, probably.  it could be because any support he was getting from "bipartisan" democrats is now transferring to obama.  it could be because the war is becoming toxically unpopular and he's clinging to that third rail with everything he's got (i kind of hope it's this answer).  i really don't know, but that is a fascinating question to me.


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by Shai Sachs on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 09:30:03 AM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

It seems to me that the reason it appears that the Democrats are enthusiastic is because we are angry at what's been going on, and possibly a little afraid.

Many older Democrats (like me) are just flat-out pizzed off. If we add that to the fact that we've had some damn fine candidates it would seem that we have a good reason to be enthusiastic.

I would say we are not just enthusiastic but  determined to take our country back. That would certainly account for the Democrats paying attention.

Don't worry about this wearing out or lessening before the '08 election. Most of us will not lose our determination to "throw the bums out!"


by Kewalo on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 06:25:54 PM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

I agree that this energy isn't related to anything about the grassroots or the netroots.  The energy that this election is seeing already is a result of the amazing "as far from Bush as possible" movement.  Progressives are the best situated to seem like a responsible opposite of Bush.  Once we have a Progressive in the White House we can start talking about how we are building nationwide support.


by Obama08 on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 11:15:40 AM EST
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I agree with Chris... (none / 0)

Count me among the people that thinks this is a good, healthy happening. I think it's wonderful that people are getting informed. There's a lot of dangerous crap happening because of this administration and it was allowed to happen because people (including me) weren't paying attention.

The more people that are paying attention the better.


by Kewalo on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 02:24:09 AM EST

Epistemology/Methodology (none / 0)

Chris, every once in a while I make a comment grounded in the post-structural methodology I learned studying feminist theory. And though I'm sure the only thing anyone takes from it is that I'm a huge political theory geek, I'm back with some more. You have two claims that could be improved, I think, in the same way. You write:

Simply put, the people-powered progressive movement is the cause for greater interest in the presidential campaign.
...
I am thrilled with these developments, none of which would have been possible if the campaign had not started "way too early."

Well, Joan Scott has something to say about that:

Instead of a search for single origins, we have to conceive of processes so interconnected that they cannot be disentangled... we need to replace the notion that social power is unified, coherent, and centralized with something like Michel Foucault's concept of power as dispersed constellations of unequal relationships, discursively constituted in social "fields of force."

Without Scott's insight, one might argue that it is the unpopularity of President Bush which has led to increased participation and the early media attention, rather than the power of the netroots or the scheduling shuffle. But I would argue that the forces of the netroots, the media narrative against Bush, the new primary schedule, and the heightened interest in the selection of the next president (among others) are all co-constitutuve processes "so interconnected that they cannot be disentangled".

These changes are so broad and complexly, redundantly intertwined as to constitute a constellation of force for change that can not be stopped by any single setback in the coming years. Short-term changes leading to long-term changes leading to more short-term changes, the shallow influencing the profound, and back again. While we may not be the most powerful force for progress, we are the most deliberate and the most purposeful. I find the notion that the systems of control in this country are generally tilting toward progress, and the breadth of evidence of a true Political Renaissance far more promising than any claim of our power.


Progress is Personal | Connie Brennan | My opinions are mine alone
by msnook on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 02:32:58 AM EST

Re: Epistemology/Methodology nice argument (none / 0)

Here is my take which loops onto your much more philosophical one.  I do attribute much of my new political energy to netroots.On the blogs, I am easily informed of things I would not have known about just from the Times and NPR.  Then I start to compare what I've learned from my life as a civil rights atty in Louisiana where I often worked with the DOJ on various cases.  Before I became a blogger I worked for Kerry's election in states other than mine. (Oh I now live in Massachusetts.)  Howver, in the 2006 election I made 130 phone calls for MOveon.org to other states in both senate and congressional races. It is unnecessary to mention that the entire delagation in MA is Dems.  I became aware of the entire country in a way that I never had before and I could donate money to people in places that never entered my consciousness before,
Victoria Wulson, for example.  I tell all my similarly aging and fairly well-heeled friends about what I have found.  I end up explaining to old friends just how politics have changed and how we can't put our head in the sand, and now I have solid arguments.People are so hungry to free themselves of this terrible administration, responsibility for this terrible war and rule by the ChristianRight.
alicew.
by ruthhmiller on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 03:31:29 PM EST
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yesyesyes. I can't believe I didn't think of that (none / 0)

Thanks for looping in! My philosophical approach is stronger for it.

You mentioned up something I really wish I'd thought of first: The netroots is dramatically increasing publicity within the activist base, which means we can find, recruit, nominate, and elect candidates (see Jim Webb for all 4 at once) who might otherwise deplore the public spectacle of campaigning, or be unable to find enough support for an authentic progressive without us. Just look at how many candidates ran (and/or won) last cycle who rank either 9 or 10. That kicks ass, and I think a lot of people sense it.


Progress is Personal | Connie Brennan | My opinions are mine alone
by msnook on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:45:15 PM EST
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Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

Absolutely, Chris.  But still we have a ways to go.  There was record low turnout in the French 2002 elections: 71%.  And record high this year 86%.  And this was essentially their primary.  I want that level of involvement.  And for that, we need media reform.  But I'm with you.  Things are looking up.  Maybe the 21st century will be the century of democracy. In full flower.


by prince myshkin on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 03:24:51 AM EST

Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

I think that generally this type of posting is indicative of how a lot of bloggers tend to stick to communities that are expressly political.  There is other stuff out there that would paint a different story in my opinion.

Personally I think it is mostly that Obama is drawing in people who normally don't get interested in politics.  After all if nothing else he has the chance of being the first black president.  That has tons of historical significance and his style of politics works well with that.


by sterra on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:52:57 AM EST

success has a thousand mothers (none / 0)

success has a thousand mothers. youtube is to be commended for this involvement, not any movement per se.

actually, youtube and the blogs. blogging increases your IQ by one point for each letter typed.

-=-
when I win the lottery, gonna give half my money to the city so they have to name a street or a school after me - camper van beethoven


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 08:54:13 AM EST

Reduction of argument.... (none / 0)

Chris's argument appears to be reduced to "more people are excited, therefore all your complaints are unjustified".

From where I sit, the country is in such a ruinous state relataive to the past 30 years, people are more engaged because they are so concerned about the country.

8 years of Bush and 12 years of Republican misrule have so galvanized anti-Republican sentiment that people are ready to move on... NOW.   Not in 2008, but now.  

As for the Republicans, I think they are also ready to move on... or atleast their voters are.

Second, somehow connecting the importance of the Grassroots and netroots movements to the justification that the current system is somehow working or good for American Democracy is not accurate.

I would argue that the Netroots in particular is rising up so strongly because the current system is in a state of dysfunction.  People don't become passionate about issues when everything is going well.   People become passionate when there are serious problems.  

Our list of current problems:

1.  Bush... and the dozen are so real issues that derive from his misrule

  1.  Corruption... not including Bush, but including the dozen-two dozen Republican congressmen.
  2.  The media-politician quasi-orgy that has fed and protected one another over the past decade and continues to do so.  [the media gives politicians a pass, the politicians then allow the media to become more and more consolidated---which allows entrenched media personalities to do ever less homework/research, which breeds more and more anti-intellectuals]

4.  Money...  As someone else said, it takes money to make money... it takes political contributions to get more political contributions.  

I don't think people should confuse general a general uprising against the current status quo with an endorsement for how the presidential primary system is currently working.

We are more interested now because things are so F**ed up and we're tired of it.  We want a real leader, a real president, and god damn it, the F**ing media is playing it out like an eFFing soap opera.

-Zen Blade


by Zen Blade on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 09:20:22 AM EST

While blogs have their place... (none / 0)

Hmmm... why would liberal Democrats be so much more engaged in the 2008 presidential election than in previous elections? What could possibly have changed?

You are not, for some reason, taking into account the historical aspects of this nomination race.

Do you really think there would be even half this much interest, this far out, if it were not for the viable candidacies of Obama, Clinton and, to a lesser extent (for now), Richardson?

Not only would the media not be paying much attention were the only candidates Edwards, Clark, Gore, whatever (and the main stream media definitely reaches far more people who do not read blogs), but many people usually uninterested in elections at all, and primaries in particular,  would not be talking about this one around the dinner table, or among friends, nor paying close attention to polls and reactions and so on.

Even if people are only engaged in order to Stop Clinton, still it's a result of her being there.

There is, of course, also the Bush hatred (which is extensive), and the desire to "get our country back on track", which also contributes to the interest, but not as much probably. After all, he's gone, no matter what (barring various conspiracy theories actually happening - which is not unusual with this crew).


by Nanette K on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 09:28:57 AM EST

Bless the Blogs (none / 0)

Further to Chris' point:  Just think how quickly the electorate turned against the Iraq war even with American troops in the field.  

Without any help from the Democratic party, it concluded that this adventure was a mistake.  Also, it got no help from the media.  Indeed, the media worked in the other direction.

The only instituion that was laying out the facts and offering differing interpretations was the blog world.

Bless them!

SAVE THE TROOPS.

Dipsop


by dipsop on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 09:55:09 AM EST

Early = better for democratic engagement (3.00 / 1)

I run a pretty good sized One Corps group.  We have a lot of people involved in politics for the very first time, who are out volunteering on a weekly basis (or more), writing letters to the editor, talking to their friends, holding house parties, etc.  They wouldn't be doing it were it not for an 'early' primary - and John Edwards (but that's a different story).

Some of them, through our group, got involved in municipal races and have done issue activism as well.  And about 50% of them are now getting involved in local county party politics.  We might have something like a One Corps Caucus in the county party here - that's how good the primary being early has been for getting people engaged and involved.  

And don't kid yourself - the primaries have always started early, but it was the insider primary that got off the ground around this time.  We have a much more democratic process where citizens have a chance to come to play.  That's a lot better than what it used to be.


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by Peter from WI on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:06:32 AM EST

You ignore the biggest problem (none / 0)

By focusing so early on the Presidential primary, we ignore the work that Congress is doing and effectively ensure that nothing real will be done about Iraq until the next President in inaugurated.

I just did a text search of this entry and found no reference to Iraq; that makes me seriously question your understanding of why so many people are engaged.


by andgarden on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:50:55 AM EST

Hmmm (none / 0)

I think it's pretty shaky reasoning to assume that this newfound level of interest is because of progressive activism and not, say, because of the worst President ever.  There's a relationship there obviously, but to say it's the progressive movement as opposed to Iraq and the myriad other problems is to presume that this level of interest will persist when Presidential politics becomes a bit less shocking day in and day out.  I hope that I'm being overly cynical, but I don't see it.  I certainly don't see the evidence to be sure of it.

This kinda feels like one of those moments where the blogosphere overall lacks historical perspective and figures that whatever is happening now is naturally the way things will continue to happen.  Maybe it will, maybe it won't.  But I see no reason to be convinced.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 11:12:21 AM EST

Re: Progressive Movement Causes Record Engagement (none / 0)

I think the early engagement is because Bushco is the most hated prez in recent memory, and everyone is counting down his term in office, waiting for him to be gone so we can do something about all the chaos he's caused.


Peace Now - Out of Iraq!
by sbgypsy on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 01:51:06 PM EST

we can thank Hillary for the early engagement (none / 0)

Or the media's obsession with Hillary, to be exact, and their willingness to frame the entire race as hers to lose. They've been itching to cover her presidential run since the '90s. Even the coverage of Obama has generally focused on his threat to Senator Clinton. In fact, most mainstream pundits seem to agree this primary race comes down to Clinton vs. some "anti-Clinton." Chris Matthews thinks there's a giant horny monster lurking in the North Atlantic, just waiting to strike the Senator (I'm not making this up). I have no doubt that the progressive blogosphere has made a huge difference, but the national soap-opera narrative that Hillary "inspires" has been significant in driving discussion, to say the least. Unfortunately, to a great extent, we still live in their stupid world. We're creating our own here, but it's still fairly insular, although less so every day.


by arbitropia on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 04:01:46 PM EST


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