Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads

Well I've had a few days to chew over this quote from Ron Wyden's Chief of Staff and Kari Chisholm's defense.

"Just as Sen. Smith has supported the Republican nominee in both of his last two races, Sen. Wyden will support the Democratic nominee for 2008, but he won't campaign against Gordon, and he will continue to work with Sen. Smith on the state's behalf for the next two years," Kardon said.

Paul Motta, chairman of the Deschutes County Democrats, said he understands why Wyden doesn't want to go after Smith, but Motta wishes he would.

"DeFazio could win much easier if Wyden would support him," Motta said.

Chisholm, who is a consultant for Wyden's Senate-side office, makes a few arguments that don't really make much sense.  First I want to touch on style, though.  Chisholm first tries to undermine the credibility of the argument by pointing out that the paper quoting Wyden's staffer is conservative.  He doesn't dispute the quote's accuracy, just sort of subtly implies that it isn't credible because it's conservative.  That's silly, as unless the quote is wrong, it makes perfect sense to give quotes sucking up to a conservative to a conservative paper.  Kari also says that he throws "political punches as hard as the next guy", as he's writing a post justifying Wyden's anti-partisan gesture.  Ok, then.

In terms of arguments, Kari points out that Wyden helped Oregon get the state house, gave $1M to the DSCC, and helped the Governor's campaign.  This is all very nice.  I'm glad Wyden led, and really did lead, on net neutrality.  We're not talking about how great a guy he is.  Kari also cites Jon Isaacs in making the argument that Wyden will be helping Smith's opponent, only quietly and in a way that is real.  He won't just throw partisan firebombs, as that would undermine the credibility of Wyden and the 2008 nominee.  There's also something about how Smith and Wyden have to get along and so Wyden can't make him mad.  I don't really understand that point as every state has two Senators and this is a fairly common and business-like structure in politics.

Kari offers a very standard set defenses, but the basic fact is that politics is mostly about public arguments.  Someone like Gordon Smith is relying on his credibility with voters, and it's going to take a lot of surrogates, trusted surrogates, to puncture that credibility.  And while he might quietly help behind the scenes, Ron Wyden is one of those surrogates.  He won't step up.  People in politics like to pretend like they are brave by using the 'helping behind the scenes' excuse, but what that usually means is that the objective they won't speak out on is not a very high priority.  Senator Ron Wyden may or may not want to capture Gordon Smith's Senate seat, but it's certainly not a priority.  I hope there was some awesome deal cut where Smith traded a vote on Iraq for Wyden's non-involvement in the race.  Otherwise, I find this choice tragic.



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This is what Reid did with Ensign (none / 0)

Reid studiously left poor old Sarah Carter's Dad on his own.

And the sphere didn't like it, as I recall.

It's the Senate way, unless - I'm assuming - one half of a split delegation really hates the other.

Some examples of one senator from a state really going after the other from that state would be nice.


by skeptic06 on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 09:54:44 AM EST

Re: This is what Reid did with Ensign (none / 0)

Chuck Hagel put his full-throated support behind Pete Ricketts' disgusting campaign against Ben Nelson in 2006. As you say, this was an example of one Senator really hating the other.


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by Dave Sund on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 11:06:40 AM EST
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Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

Wyden isn't that liberal, he voted for estate tax repeal portion of the Bush tax cuts. He supports republicans on some issues.


by olawakandi on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:04:22 AM EST

Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

He's changed his position on the estate tax, IIRC.  Wyden is economically pretty liberal.  I'd like DeFazio in the Senate to balance him out.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:12:05 AM EST
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Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

However, he did support Roberts for Supreme Crt nomination.


by olawakandi on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 06:38:26 PM EST
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Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

I'll let my earlier post on this topic stand as my last major comment on this, but with respect to Justice Roberts, this is worth reading.


by karichisholm on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 03:57:27 AM EST
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Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

Don't forget Harry Reid didn't work that hard to campaign against Ensign.


by olawakandi on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:05:01 AM EST

About that breaking blue thing (none / 0)

Sorry, if this is OT, but you can't comment about BB pieces there.  Matt, I think you have the headline for the piece backwards.  As best I understand it, net neutrality advocates (including Wyden) are being  bolstered by the article you link to, and the other side is being shown to be full of it.


by jfaberuiuc on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:08:58 AM EST

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Unfortunately, Democrats does see & act on the big picture - in order for Democrats to win, they have to support the brand; its the Democratic Party. So, interpersonal relationships should be subordinated to Democratic needs.

Republican elected officials get this, Democratic officials don't. What the Democrats need most of all is a Norquist type - someone who commands resources & an organization that can whip Democratic officials in line.


by carter1 on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:26:11 AM EST

Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

Err...Should be: Democrats don't see and act on the big picture


by carter1 on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:27:31 AM EST
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It's Not Insideritis, It is Selfinshness (none / 0)

I agree with most of this, especially the second sentence.  The thing is though, I dont think the issue is so much "insideritis."  It's political selfinshness.  Senators get a political benefit by not campaigning against the other state's senator from the other party in at least two ways.  Most importantly, a Senator who stays publically quiet about the other Senator's race can expect similar treatment, thus his or her campaign in easier.  A secondary benefit is that the politician can claim a certain credit as a "non-partisan" or for "putting their state first" by not getting involved publicly.

This is an important issue.  A senatorial challenger who does not have the public support from an incumbent from the same party suffers a real disadvantage.  The impression is left that the incumbent of the same party would just as soon have his or her "colleague" stay in office, despite the partisan difference between them.  This raises doubt about the challenger.  The public thinks "if the Senator from his own party isnt for him, then there must be something wrong with the guy."

As Carter1 says, Republicans understand all this.  That's why they are happy to enter into this type of deal in a blue leaning state like Oregon, but would never do that in a Republican leaning state like Florida.

One last comment.  The Oregon blogger exaggerates the animosity that can be created by one senate incumbent campaigning against another by saying it would lead to bad relations two out of every three election cycles because of the way senatorial elections are staggered.  But no one is asking Wyden to start campaigning now.  Bascially, an incumbent Democrat would not even be involved in the challenger's campaign until the fall campaign starts, a three month period every 6 years.  Assuming the Republican incumbent will also campaign against the Democratic incumbent for 3 months, that is 6 months out of every 6 years, leaving 5.5 years of cooperating for the benefit of the state. Surely, the opportunity to build on the Democrats thin majority is worth this slight aggravation.


Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:45:58 AM EST
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Re: It's Not Insideritis, It is Selfinshness (none / 0)

I think that what you're advocating is really what will happen, which is also what Kari was describing in a roundabout way.

Wyden won't do big TV commercials or press conferences talking about how Smith is a rightwinger, a liar and a hypocrite.  But at the same time, he's not going to be silent about it either.  I distinctly remember Wyden saying all of these things - in public at a rally -  when introducing Bill Bradbury, Smith's challenger back in 2002.


by mourge on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 12:40:09 PM EST
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Re: It's Not Insideritis, It is Selfinshness (none / 0)

I understood Kari to only predict "silent" support (my words). . . no prediction of campaigning with the candidate nor even a public endorsement.  Hope you're right.


Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 03:47:00 PM EST
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Re: It's Not Insideritis, It is Selfinshness (none / 0)

No, no, no.  Read my post again.  I say exactly what Mourge says I said.

Also, I'll repost the salient points from a late comment on that post.   Here's what happened in 2002.

From the 2002 Voter's Pamphlet:

"I support Bill Bradbury because he is right on the issues. He will be a champion for consumers and working families." -Senator Ron Wyden

I was asked if Wyden would appear with the Democratic nominee at a few events.  My answer?  You can bet he will.  And he did in 2002.  I remember several occasions.  Here's a reference to one, from an ILWU newsletter:

The political firepower massed at  Portland's noontime rally included Daschle, U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), U.S. Representative David Wu (D-Portland), State Rep. Dan Gardner, Multnomah County Commissioner Diane Linn and Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury, who hopes to join Wyden in the U.S. Senate next year and is running with union backing.

(Disclosure: Bradbury was a client of mine in 2004, but not in 2002.  Wyden is a client of mine now, but wasn't in 2002.)


by karichisholm on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 04:02:49 AM EST
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There's A Deeper Problem Here, Matt (3.00 / 1)

The collegiality argument carries more weight than you realize, Matt, since Wyden actually wants to get stuff done.  In fact, this is true of Democrats generally--though not as much as we'd like to get done.

Republicans, OTOH, are not much interested in that.  They're interested in railing against government, not making it work--except for their sugar daddies.

Now, government policies that benefit citizens of a particular state really do stand a much better chance when senators--and congressional delegations generally--work together.  The same is not true when you're trying to get goodies for the Telcos, big tobacco, or whatever.

And so it is that Democrats are naturally more constrained by their desire to actually make government work for the people.  Sometimes ludicrously so.  (The Dems failure to seriously challenge the Gropinator here in California last year was more of the same.  They wanted the bonds he had associated himself with more than they cared about getting rid of him.  A stupendous act of short-sightedness.)

Knowing this, of course, the GOP is much more eager to take offense at any "lack of collegiality" that Democrats might show.

None of this is meant to excuse Wyden.  It is, however, meant to shift your attention to thinking about the big picture.  Because we desperately need to change the big picture on this one.  By all means, do continue to write about Wyden.  But do so as an example of a deeper, more pervasive problem, and you will both be more effective, and do more good.


by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 11:07:21 AM EST

Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

I like Kari, but Wyden needs to pull his head out of his ass on this one.


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by Bob Brigham on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 11:24:39 AM EST

Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

If the Democrats had a six seat majority in the Senate, this would be acceptable.

And while the current political calculus suggests that Democrats will pick up a seat or two in 2008, that's not definite -- especially since Smith's seat was percieved as an opportunity for a pick up.

The sad thing is that Wyden doesn't have to attack Smith to support the democratic candidate.  Hell, he can even say nice things about Smith -- just emphasize that the Democratic candidate is better for Oregon, and Democratic control of America is better than control by the far-right GOP leadership.

Oregon progressives need to send a loud and clear message to Wyden -- if you don't want to face a strong primary challenge next time, get behind the Democratic nominee.  And Chuck Schumer has to send the same message -- if Wyden expects DSCC help when he runs again, he needs to step up and actively support the Democratic Senate candidate in his state.


by plukasiak on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 11:57:04 AM EST

Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

"If the democrats had a 6-seat majority in the senate, this would be acceptable"

Please raise your bar to a 20-seat majority, since 41 Republicans can filibuster anything.


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by Go Vegetarian on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 12:03:10 PM EST
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Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

The sad thing is that Wyden doesn't have to attack Smith to support the democratic candidate.  Hell, he can even say nice things about Smith -- just emphasize that the Democratic candidate is better for Oregon, and Democratic control of America is better than control by the far-right GOP leadership.

Bingo.  Count on it.


by karichisholm on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 04:04:08 AM EST
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Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

Maybe I misread the Chisholm post, but I at least got the sense from it that there might  be a misunderstanding as to what kind of role Wyden will take on. The implication from Matt is that Wyden will "quietly" support the nominee against Smith; the implication I got at least from Chisholm is that Wyden won't say nasty things about Smith and generally hasn't said mean things about Republicans in general on the trail, but will campaign aggressively and publicly for theDemocratic candidate.

I can live with that, but to an extent-- that is, that the campaigning be legimitate and strong, and that he be willing to at least CRITICIZE Smith's voting record in contrast and call his colleague to account for any negative campaigning that occurs on Smith's behalf. That's pretty much what Senator Jack Reed did in RI while dealing with the well-liked Lincoln Chafee (the two generally got along, though their staffs had issues since Chafee often tried piggybacking on Reed's work on local issues to make himself seem more accomplished). He was aggressively behind Whitehouse from the start, made the case that RI needed a solid Democratic/progressive vote to complement him, and called out Chafee along the lines I mentioned but otherwise stuck to the positive.

So the question to me isn't whether Wyden doesn't want to bash Smith; its how he goes about doing that. He has some valid points here, but that shouldn't be an excuse to make a half-hearted effort, and folks need to definitely hold him accountable for that.


by sip1983 on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 12:53:16 PM EST

Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

Wyden's CoS is better situated than either me or Kari.


by Matt Stoller on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 01:16:07 PM EST
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Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

Suggested speech by Wyden:

"I'm a Democrat. I intend to support the Democratic nominee for Senate in my state."


by global yokel on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 01:42:15 PM EST

Re: Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

Count on it.


by karichisholm on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 04:05:16 AM EST
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Re: Senator Wyden's Insider-itis Spreads (none / 0)

Oh please. Oregon politics are NEVER quiet. Wyden will campaign FOR the Democrat. With the beating Smith is going to take from the rest of us, it'll be a good idea for somebody to be talking about the positive reasons to vote Democratic. Besides, if we're dependent on Ron Wyden to pillary Smith in order to win - we just need to fold up our tents right now. He is just not a combative type of a guy. The thought makes me fall off my chair in laughter. Ron Wyden - the next Howard Dean, yeeargh! Uh, I don't think so.
by sandy on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 04:17:46 PM EST


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