Ethics, Public Polling and 2008

Last week, we spent a good deal of time on MyDD arguing over the Iraq withdrawal plans of several Democratic candidates for president. The crux of the argument had to do with several candidates claiming, or at least frequently implying, that they would withdraw "all" American troops from Iraq, while simultaneously offering policy proposals detailing the various tasks American troops in Iraq would perform after "all" troops had been withdrawn. Implying that you will withdraw all troops, when you policy proposals state otherwise, is a dishonest charade, and I hope that last week's discussion was a step toward ending that charade.

This week, I have spent much of my time focusing on another dishonest charade surrounding the 2008 presidential election: national polls that imply they are surveying the primary / caucus electorate but are actually surveying all self-identifying and leaning members of a political party. The primary / caucus electorate is a far smaller and narrower universe than all self-identifying and leaning members of a political party, and the two universes are often quite different from one another. However, the implication in report after report on national polls is that the two universes are identical. Consider the write-up in the Washington Post on the latest national poll it released:

Former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's lead over his Republican presidential rivals has narrowed considerably, while Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) has maintained her advantage in the race for the Democratic nomination, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
The clear implication at the start of this story is that it will discuss a poll that measures the opinion of the Democratic and Republican primary / caucus electorates in 2008. Notice how Clinton's lead in this poll is interpreted as an "advantage in the race for the Democratic nomination," and how "Giuliani's lead over his Republican presidential rivals has narrowed considerably." This article is clearly claiming, or at least strongly implying, to be discussing a poll of the Democratic and Republican primary / caucus electorates. After all, it is only the primary / caucus electorates that will determine the nominee, not all self-identifying and leaning Democrats and Republicans. Thus, unless you are measuring those electorates, then it is would irresponsible to claim you have data arguing the Giuliani's lead has increased, or that Clinton has an advantage in the race for the Democratic nomination, right?

However, as we go through the article, it is quite clear that the poll is just measuring all self-identifying and leaning Democrats and Republicans. The word "primary" never even appears in the article, and the word "voter" only appears once. However, when describing poll respondents, the word "Democrat" appears in the article six times, and the word "Republican" appears nine times. Despite the implication at the start of the piece, the writers of the article seem to go to great lengths in order to make it clear that the poll is measuring "all Democrats" and "all Republicans" rather than members of the Democratic or Republican primary electorates.

This problem is not isolated to the Washington Post, or to ABC News / Washington Post polls. About a dozen times every month, a major news organization will commission a poll of all Democratic and all Republican self-identifiers and leaners on the 2008 presidential election. Every single time, it will be accompanied by press releases, wire articles and television segments that directly imply the poll in question measures the progress of the campaigns for the Democratic and Republican nominations. However, when one examines the article in details, there are never any references to primary voters or caucus goers, simply references to Democrats and Republicans. I'd be willing to bet some money that the reason for this is because if the articles implied that these national polls were measuring primary voters and caucus goers, then their in-house or commissioned pollsters would find themselves in the midst of an ethical problem. The following is from the Code of Ethics of the American Association of Public Opinion Research (PDF, emphasis mine):
1. We shall recommend and employ only those tools and methods of analysis that, in our professional judgment, are well suited to the research problem at hand.

2. We shall not knowingly select research tools and methods of analysis that yield misleading conclusions.

3. We shall not knowingly make interpretations of research results that are inconsistent with the data available, nor shall we tacitly permit such interpretations.

4. We shall not knowingly imply that interpretations should be accorded greater confidence than the data actually warrant.
All of the articles on national Democratic and Republican preference polls seem to take great pains to never actually state that they are measuring either the Democratic or primary / caucus electorate. The problem I have is that even though these polls and these articles never actually state they are measuring the Democratic or Republican primary caucus electorate, there is a consistent implication that that is exactly what these polls are doing. It is, in my view, at least a form of tacit permission to news organizations to make claims inconsistent with the data available in these polls.

Something needs to be done about this. Right now, I'm not sure what needs to be done, but I wouldn't mind hearing your ideas. It may not seem like the most important campaign to take in regards to the 2008 presidential race, and it might not even be a partisan problem. However, I don't think it can be denied that polls are used as a key tool in forging national campaign narratives, or that perceived candidate poll standing is an important factor for all presidential campaigns in the scramble for resources, positive attention, and simple credibility. Thus, if the polls, and the reporting on those polls, are flawed, it will have a negative impact on the 2008 election. Even if, in the long run, it ends up helping Democrats, it is still a problem that needs to be fixed.

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Re: Ethics, Public Polling and 2008 (3.00 / 0)

Good article about polling.

One small thing, on the introduction.  

With regard to your reference to Iraq positions, you are backtracking a little bit.

"Implying that you will withdraw all troops, when you policy proposals state otherwise, is a dishonest charade, and I hope that last week's discussion was a step toward ending that charade."

I thought the most productive use of that last post, was clarifying what missions in Iraq that candidates support.  But anyways, since you slipped this in, I'll again push back on that one sentence.

a.  If a candidate says "bring our troops home", and over 80% of the troops come home, that is still TRUE statement.
b.  If a candidate says "end the occupation", and 80% of troops are brought home, that is still a TRUE statement.
c.  If a candidate says "we will withdraw our troops from Iraq", and 80% of troops are brought home, that is still a true statement.
d.  "All troops" is a litmus type test, that really is held by a small percentage of people, and isn't useful, to tie candidates down to a policy that will change, considering that there are 21 months to the new president assumes power.   As such, that type of litmus test is a distraction.

I feel bad mentioning this, since your introductory paragraph isn't the point of this post, but still, since you brought it up, I suppose it is worthwhile responding.


by jc on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 09:08:40 PM EST

Lessen the polling talk (3.00 / 1)

Polling is supposed to reflect what the public is thinking. It has no bearing on the issues. It is useful to use by campaigns as a snapshot as to how the message is being perceived. But for us to let polling lead the debate on who the more appealing candidate is instead of being just an indicator of what is happening is unacceptable.

I can understand some polling diaries. But we got 2 or new diaries on polling every single day. And most of these diaries are not even good polling diaries. Who the hell cares what the national numbers are? We have an electoral college system, not a popular vote system.

ANd let's focus on the issues first and polling as a secondary issue when we got AN ENTIRE YEAR ahead of us.


by Pravin on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 09:31:10 PM EST

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I, for one, care a great deal about the national numbers. Maybe they don't tell us anything about what will happen in November of '08, but they tell us what the nation thinks NOW - which is useful information (if you happen to be a news-obsessed political junkie, which I am willing to bet you are :-)


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by LandStander on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 11:26:08 PM EST
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Re: Lessen the polling talk (none / 0)

yeah,but the amount of emphasis is crazy. What is the point of discussing a new poll almost every single day when the elections are a year away.


by Pravin on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 01:52:04 AM EST
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Re: Ethics, Public Polling and 2008 (none / 0)

Right now any polls that seem to be the better measure is the state polling.  I just feel alot of support for all the candidates right now is somewhat soft and shifting.  It will be like this till we are into summer.
We junkies are pretty much settled on a choice but, those who are not junkies are shopping around right now.
by vwcat on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:06:57 PM EST

With regards to the intro (none / 0)

The term in question was all combat troops, which is a decidedly different thing from all troops, period. We can argue over whether the plans in question really fulfill that proposed goal of no combat troops, but at least let's be arguing over the right thing.


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by McSnatherson on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:36:05 PM EST

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The issue is WHO commissioned and paid for the poll.  We know that the Republicans have no ethics but they like to conceal that fact.  When they have corrupted  every department in congress why should we assume that polling agencies are not corrupted as well.

I see most polls as push polls right now.  They have an agenda.  This is especially true of the media polls.  

I see some of the same characteristics in the Democratic leaning polls or the so-called objective polls.  

I do not trust that any of the polls are objective.  I am sad that I do not trust.  I think John Edwards was smart in not doing any polling in Q1.  Sometimes you just put out your message.

I don't think it can be denied that polls are used as a key tool in forging national campaign narratives, or that perceived candidate poll standing is an important factor for all presidential campaigns in the scramble for resources, positive attention, and simple credibility. Thus, if the polls, and the reporting on those polls, are flawed, it will have a negative impact on the 2008 election. Even if, in the long run, it ends up helping Democrats, it is still a problem that needs to be fixed.

I think we do the best we can to watch polling but until we identify the actual corrupting influence, if there is one, or the particular lenses being used, we can't do much as far as I can see.

Both #3 and #4 in the code of ethics are being played with IMHO.  I don't know to what degree.


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by pioneer111 on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 02:56:50 AM EST

I think rule 2 is even more clear here (none / 0)

2. We shall not knowingly select research tools and methods of analysis that yield misleading conclusions.

Like selecting a polling universe far different from the voting universe.

I think if you're talking about doing something in regards to these polling standards, the third rule you highlighted is more about the article written, while the second is more about the poll itself. Why invoke pollster ethics to criticize the writing when you can use it to criticize polls?

That said, I don't know what to do about it.


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by msnook on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 05:01:52 AM EST

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The problem with the article is that there is an assumption  that the purpose of the polls are to actually inform the public.  They are not.  They are used to generate content for the media outlets.  


by BeetleB on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 07:49:54 AM EST

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Something needs to be done about this. Right now, I'm not sure what needs to be done, but I wouldn't mind hearing your ideas.

In the case of the WaPo, we could write the ombudsman, if it only had one.


by RT on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 09:04:04 AM EST


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