Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base

For all of the cranky, "things were better in my day" whining from the 55 and older set with the media and political establishment about a mythical, lost golden age of American politics where moderation and bi-partisanship ruled, the fact is that the vast majority of voting Americans don't reside anywhere near the "middle" ideological or partisan spectrum of American politics. This is not a difficult premise to demonstrate. Voters are making up their minds earlier than ever before, with only 4.7% of the population changing their mind even once during the 2004 presidential campaign, and almost no one even considering both Kerry and Bush. This phenomenon is not restricted to presidential elections either, as the number of undecided voters in all polls for all elections has been on the decline for thirty years. Partisanship has increased to such an extent that the incumbent rule no longer even exists. The number of "swing states" continues to gradually decline, while the number of "landslide counties" continues to rapidly rise. "Independents" continue to turn out at low rates. Animosity toward members of other parties and, for that matter, anyone who disagrees with you on anything has never been higher.

The fact is, that for all the attention that is paid to the mushy-middle "swing voter," the overwhelming majority of America sits closer to the poles. The bases represent America better than the middle, and recent electoral results prove it:
Congressmen from competitive districts do not appear to have any more success in their bids for higher office than those from non-competitive districts. Since 2002, 36 sitting congressmen have run for higher office, half of whom won. However, representatives from competitive districts - those with a PVI of between D+5 and R+5 - were considerably less successful, winning just five of their thirteen races. Even in those swing states that Kerry or Bush carried with less than 55% of the vote, representatives from competitive districts won just three races and lost six.

A more accurate indicator of a congressman's success in running for higher office appears to be whether his or her district is in-sync with the state as a whole; that is, representatives running for higher office in a blue state are more likely to win if they hail from a blue district and vice versa. Of the 18 congressmen who won their bids for higher office, only one came from a district that was out-of-sync with the state.

This pattern is particularly evident in non-swing states (those who voted more than 55% for Bush or Kerry). In these states, representatives who came from less competitive districts were the most successful. For example, in the solid red states, congressmen from the seven reddest districts all won their bid for higher office. In solid blue states, all the congressmen who ran came from very blue districts and all were victorious. Those from more competitive districts didn't appear to have any discernible advantage; rather, they were considerably less successful.
Elected officials in the "middle" do not better represent America as a whole, because most of America is not in the middle. Rather than straddling the two major coalitions, the "mushy middle" is mainly just a bunch of low-information voters who form a minority of the electorate. This is an important notion to hammer home to Democrats for the 2008 elections, now that it is growingly increasingly clear that our coalition in larger than the Republican coalition. For two years now, independents have overwhelmingly looked like Democrats on virtually every single issue, and in every single state. Paul Krugman summed this up nicely in his column today:
There's no conflict between catering to the Democratic base and staking out positions that can win in the 2008 election, because the things the base wants -- an end to the Iraq war, a guarantee of health insurance for all -- are also things that the country as a whole supports. The only risk the party now faces is excessive caution on the part of its politicians. Or, to coin a phrase, the only thing Democrats have to fear is fear itself.
Right now, there is no real difference between pleasing the majority of American voters and pleasing the Democratic base. On a wide number of issues, but most notably on Iraq, a significant majority of America has moved to where the Democratic base has been for some time. Despite this, until late in the 2006 election cycle, it took an incredible amount of prodding from the base to even get Democratic leaders to run on Iraq, even though it was a once in a generation campaign issue handed to them on a silver platter. Many establishment types will continue to argue that the country has a deep desire for bipartisanship even while Democrats hold the advantage, and even point to polls numbers indicating as much. However, what are people going to say when they are asked whether or not they wish we could all just get along? No? It is like the crappy 2006 exit poll that asked people whether or not they thought combating corruption in government was important, and therefore supposedly proved that combating corruption was the number one issue in the campaign when everyone polled stunningly said that corruption in government was bad. Maybe next we should ask voters whether or not they like sunshine and puppies as a means of proving that sunshine and puppies are the most important issues in the campaign.

The country doesn't want compromise, or bipartisanship, or someone who straddles both parties. Right now, the country wants Democrats. All of our candidates running for higher office need to remember that, and we need to keep reminding them.



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You lose me halfway through (none / 0)

It sounds intuitive that a state that skews strongly blue would be attracted by a rep from a district that does likewise.

Though, be it noted - the reasons that Keyes gives for this are not ideological:

First, if a representative must run a difficult race every two years, he or she has little opportunity to amass a large amount of money that would help in his or her bid for higher office.

Second, it is possible that even though they are not given difficult general election campaigns, congressmen from more partisan districts likely had to win a difficult primary to win their House seat - honing their campaign skills in the process - rather than a difficult general election.


Where you lose me is moving from statewide races to nationwide races:
Right now, there is no real difference between pleasing the majority of American voters and pleasing the Democratic base.

That's a completely different proposition.

Obviously, the country as a whole is purple.

The point you're making on, eg, Iraq, is not a point about the opinion of blue America, but about that of purple America.

Which may be true, but isn't advanced by the Keyes proposition.


by skeptic06 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 07:47:11 AM EST

Re: You lose me halfway through (none / 0)

I think what's being said is that the majority of Americans are starting to accept and identify with what we here would consider core Democratic values and policy propositions.  They're not entirely there yet on all issues, but they're moving there - and at a fairly rapid rate.


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by Peter from WI on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 09:41:03 AM EST
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That's what I thought he meant (none / 0)

But I think the piece he links (the Keyes piece) is saying something completely different.

Mostly. I've read Keyes again. And - wouldn't you know?! - I think there's a lapse in logic there too:

He says

Even in those swing states that Kerry or Bush carried with less than 55% of the vote, representatives from competitive districts won just three races and lost six.

Then he goes on with his
A more accurate indicator of a congressman's success in running for higher office appears to be whether his or her district is in-sync with the state as a whole...

Now, a rep from a competitive district (as defined) would be in-sync with the state as a whole if that state was a swing state (ditto), surely?

So why don't competive-district reps win in swing states?

My sense: the sample size is way too small: for one thing, it doesn't take into account the ideology of the GOP opponent. Or peculiarities of the campaign, or funding or whatever.

And - broader point - it doesn't take into account the fact that the ideology of a constituency doesn't bear any necessary relationship with that of the member who represents it.

(That point illustrated by the extraordinary variation in ideology produced by split-state delegations to the US Senate.)

Fortunately, Chris's main argument skirts around all of that: he's interested (if I understand him) in the views of the presidential electorate shading Democrat.

Which, let's hope, is true.


by skeptic06 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 01:43:18 PM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (2.00 / 1)


Obviously, I have been "abandoned" by my fellow Democrats, if I were to believe Krugman.  Don't get me wrong, I do like Krugman but he is capable of being an ass.

Take, for example, I am a self-identified "aggressive" Moderate of the center-left.  Thus, I believe in a single payer Universal Health Care Systemic residing within the VA's Medical Care and Hospital system.  Additionally, I believe in reinstituting the military draft as an "academic-military" draft in order to provide some upwardly mobile economic development tools for those in need, as well as halting the continuing our "abuse" of our men and women in uniform. Ya' know that Important Demographic, the one-third of one percent of our population?  

But I fear that Krugman may end up like George Will and for having written four thousand columns without ever having addressed the "need" for Egalitarianism in America.

Jaango


by Jaango on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 08:05:32 AM EST

What is an "academic-military draft"? NT (none / 0)

NT


by EricJaffa on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 10:25:10 AM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

Does ending that abuse mean not sending them to fight wars like Iraq or just fighting them better and funding the VA.  When the dlc makes these arguments I think they are disguising their attempt to get cannon fodder from poor people as a humanitarian act.


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by Dameocrat on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 03:59:48 PM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

Also what is wrong with a universal draft of the wealthy and poor?  Why must the poor fight wars? When the chidren of the typical congressmen and lobbyists are not in that category, I feel it is much more likley are government will commit them to ill advised ventures.  They don't fund campaigns so the politicians don't give a damn about them.


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by Dameocrat on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 04:04:14 PM EST
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Caution on the part of Democratic politicians (3.00 / 1)

Krugman:

The only risk the party now faces is excessive caution on the part of its politicians. Or, to coin a phrase, the only thing Democrats have to fear is fear itself.

That is assuming that Democratic politicians regard Democratic voters as their constituency. There is a large segment of the Democratic leadership (as in DLC) that considers the rich and powerful as a significant part of its base. In a polarized electorate, such politicans must dissemble and triangulate because they serve two masters and we all know what the Good Book says about a person who serves two masters.


The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
by TomL on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 08:12:22 AM EST

Re: Caution on the part of Democratic politicians (none / 0)

Right on. There are Democrats afraid to sound like Democrats, but less so and the progressive drumbeat has something to do with many turning from the consultant wisdom (ConWiz) in DC.

Example of Dem fear:The majority of our party picked Kerry as a safe bet for a winner and fighter, a mistake in judgement starting in Iowa, then a sweep of lemmingness across the country.  I hope next time we will pick a real fighter, not someone who judges the problem in DC comes from too much "partisan bickering."  How I loath the sound of that! The problem has been not enough fighting back, oversight, mobilizing the activists to fight, recognizing what the country wants. Even now!


by mrobinsong on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 12:09:47 PM EST
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The Need for a Middle (none / 0)

There are some issues like the Iraq War where independents are moving to where the left has been for a long time, however there are many issues that they may still have on the right.  The Iraq War may take precedent right now and get a Democrat elected,  then when that is solved economic policy may be more important and they may vote Republican.

What I am saying is not that there are voters who are necessarily in the middle (where middle means the middle ground on every issue).  There are many voters who are both left and right depending on the issue.  That is why voters crave someone who can reach across the aisle and find those common sense compromise solutions.


by Obama08 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 08:32:11 AM EST

Re: The Need for a Middle (none / 0)

Figures coming from a guy who's ID is "Obama08."  

Independent does not imply moderate and vice versa.  


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by Peter from WI on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 09:43:31 AM EST
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Re: The Need for a Middle (none / 0)

Why does it figure based on my name... Obama is a liberal, he had the most liberal voting record in the Senate.  Obama has the most liberal voting record of all the candidates - including Kucinich.  

He also has a record of reaching across the aisle and actually getting legislation that will move our country forward written and passed.  Is that a bad thing?

I'm not sure what you are driving at, what in my post is innately Obama-centric?


by Obama08 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 10:07:25 AM EST
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Re: The Need for a Middle (none / 0)

When Roosevelt became president he didn't have an idealogy.  He just wanted to fix our nation which was hurting from The Great Depression.  He came in with an entrenched media which was Republican to the core and a hostile Supreme Court.  He understood that we could not be a strong nation unless we cared for the weakest amongst us.  He won in a landslide.

Our right wing media has created the words left, right and center.  Left is bad--Right is good and the Middle means the Republicans can probably co-opt you. In the next few months we will see where our Pols want to take us. To me its a scary thing when you hear Obama's handlers saying Obama will avoid the issues and sell his personality instead.  Except for Obama all the other candidates are talking about issues. Make Obama tell us where he stands on Universal Healthcare, Social Security, and all the other issues Americans care about. There is no middle ground here.  You either support a social safety net or you don't.  His charisma does not pay the mortgage or bring jobs our jobs back.  

This country has been headed right for too long--and we have lost our way.  Maybe we should make a left turn for a change.


by changehorses08 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 12:38:18 PM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (3.00 / 1)

As a member of the cranky, "things were better in my day" whining . . . 55 and older set," as Chris puts it, I can remind everyone that we were winning important battles then, when I was young, battles against Jim Crow, battles about employment discrimination against women and people of color, battles against DDT.

After which progress stopped for a couple of decades; in fact, there was regression. I still can hardly believe that so many people voted for Ronnie, W, stupidity, and hatred.

Only now do I see hope of getting back on the right path---but there is so much mess to clean up. I don't expect to live long enough to see what seemed to be imminent when I was 20.


by joyful alternative on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 08:37:16 AM EST

Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

I remember a time too when we actually solved our problems.  We have seen over and over what a CAN'T-DO Gov't has done to this nation. Its sad to see that racism has returned with a vengence and how our media has defended a broadcaster who has made racist remarks. Weren't these problems solved with the Civil Rights Act or 1965?

How can Republicans fix our problems when they don't believe in Gov't?  Was it that long ago that James Lee Witt was the head of FEMA under Clinton?  FEMA worked and so did everything else.  Would we have Social Security, Welfare, and our Social Safety now if it were not for Democrats? Our nation is still great but its time we got our goodness back


by changehorses08 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 12:54:12 PM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (3.00 / 1)

Since 2002, 36 sitting congressmen have run for higher office, half of whom won. However, representatives from competitive districts - those with a PVI of between D+5 and R+5 - were considerably less successful, winning just five of their thirteen races.

How in the world is that "considerably less successful"?  "Half" for the smaller group - 13 races - would be 6-7 wins.  Five wins is just one win removed.  Unless all the eight losses were landslides, we're talking about a fluke difference here.

This is not evidence of a difference.  Your argument would be stronger without it, Chris.


by RT on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 09:25:30 AM EST

Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

I want to add, Chris, that I think your basic proposition is a true one - most Americans are either in one base or the other, and there isn't much middle.

It's just that using shaky evidence doesn't help convince anyone that a proposition's true, even if it is.


by RT on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 09:28:45 AM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

I have not heard from anyone in the 55 or older set that thinks wistfully of some golden age.  Many of them are wistful for Kennedy but, that is it.  Alot of them are more progressive.  They look to the future in hopes of a golden age.
I think what alot of people are complaining about, not so much the 'mushy middle' but, that they are tired of the spinning.  The always blaming the other and pointing fingers.  Not getting things done  because they are busy playing to some base like Shiavo.  Or flag burning.  Not addressing real problems.  that is what they mean by bipartisanship.  To quit posturing and get real problems addressed.
That is what most Americans want. They are sick of the standard 'it's the other guys fault'.
I am between the 55 and older and the younger progressives.  I suffered the Reagan era.  there was no bipartisanship there.
But, on your thinking:  I just read over at TPM, that a survey shows that more Americans want 'General Pelosi' to run the war over Bush.
People want the democrats to take over everything and fix it.  They basically want a shadow presidency of Nancy Pelosi.  This speaks volumns to the majority of all americans thinking right now.
by vwcat on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 09:32:29 AM EST

Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

I am a boomer who remembers when people marching in the streets ended an immoral war. Our Nation was at its strongest in the 60's.  I remember the Gray Panters (Seniors) marched for Medicare and they got it.  Women marched and burnt their bras but they got equal rights in the workplace and on the home front.  The unions where at their strongest.  

Starting with Reagan and his battles with unions we began our downword slide.  I still believe that our best days are ahead of us.  But one thing I have learned is that I can never afford to vote republican.


by changehorses08 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 01:01:46 PM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

But that is all crap that the Republicans have started doing since Reagan.  Why do both parties get the blame for that?


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 02:40:13 PM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

Why does Krugman hate Obama?  It must be his evil pro-Edwards bias.  It's like he's doing Karl Rove's work for him.

Also, 3, 6, 15, and 27.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 10:05:00 AM EST

Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

Matt, who is claiming Krugman hates Obama?


by Obama08 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 10:08:42 AM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

Well his article could be read as an attack on Obama for not being bold enough. And I'd agree with that. Obama will win the primaries hands down if he stops being so damn cautious and wishy washy most of the time. He has a unique gift in his personality and speaking abilities - too bad if it's wasted on timidness.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 10:29:18 AM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

"It must be his evil pro-Edwards bias.  It's like he's doing Karl Rove's work for him."

Matt's post was a snark at the pro-Obama posters on this site who are supposed to cry foul at every seeming slight.  I was just saying that no one was crying foul, thus he doesn't need to try to needle those who are pro-Obama.  When ultimately all of us will support whoever gets the nomination trying to force a wedge into the liberal community is unnecessary.


by Obama08 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 12:21:11 PM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

Obama is cautious because once he comes out and stands for something his money will begin to dry up.


by changehorses08 on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 01:03:18 PM EST
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Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

After carefully, carefully studying your code, I respond with 34, 25, 12 and 10.

That was fun, let's play again!


by johnalive on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 12:10:58 PM EST
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Compromise on issues (none / 0)

The ability of both parties to compromise on the issues and become diluted brands, is what you are seeing here not america's loss of independence.

The democratic senate majority leader famously stated "we support the president's war" in 2002 or thereof (tom daschle)

This despite those of us who were shocked that such heavyhanded foreign policy could be rolled out and were , albeit a minority party - relying upon our representation to save us.

The overwhelming majority of the candidates who have won, have expressed independent views - in 2006. For example , Jim Webb in Virginia - has several and has been one of the strongest voices in the senate, and authored a plan to stop the war in iran before it happens.

But stopping war does not necessarily identify a person as a democrat, thats the point. The election in 04 was a referendum on the war - with those who were prescient, going with kerry.

The simple fact is that as long as both parties continue to take massive contributions from lobbyists and allow them to write the legislation, there will be no reason to party identify and most people will not bother to identify one way or another.

I thought you of all people, chris would have realized that there is a difference between polls and real life data - after all didn't the exit polls show that kerry had won florida?

in real life there is a huge number of dissatisfied voters, who today are basically in caucus with the democrats - but the senate's ability, for example - to have been able to kill off almost all of the work of the house - lets everyone quietly know that its still a paid vacation in DC for everyone and not necessarily such a wonderful democratic base and solid path forward for partisanship

in fact, if i might add- the one party that partisanship has served more than any other in this past two terms has been the GOP - and what did it get them? Terri Schiavo

i feel that partisanship without the resolved issue of legislation actually being written by and for the people , is like going to your doctor and having him give you the medicine he prescribed for the rich patient that went in before you just .

I will go one further - in fact, i believe that just as a doctors office gets free samples that are sometimes given to patients for the purpose of essentially a test - without really being exactly appropriate - that americans get alot of legislation that is written broadly with a huge amount of loopholes and variations on theme, and then like the colorful brochure that comes with the medication, the only view they see of it, is the neat subscript that tells them they'll feel better and skips the fact that the doctor would otherwise prescribe something else, based on their pain as opposed to someone elses dissimiliar situation.

Corporations have unprecedented control over american institutions.  Corporate money is heading to the democrats, a democrat will win the white house. this is clear.

but not because there are no independents.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 10:17:49 AM EST

Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

Maybe you should post this on the Obama blog.


by adamterando on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 10:24:49 AM EST

Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (3.00 / 2)

 chris  is right that we focus upon building the courage and stamina of our own apparent majority.  marginalize them instead, by repeatedly noting their minority positions on most all issues.  

we repeat the apparent truth:  that we are the goddam majority on most issues while  the rightwing is a minority pocketful o' pus. i say we repeat this reality every interview, every article.  repetition of this reality will brand it.  i at least hope it might.

we remain trapped in our feckless 'beaten dog' posture, even while we hold a majority in both houses.  'not veto proof'  does not mean 'minority party'.  confidence does not need apology or a stooped posture.


by truettspeak on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 10:32:34 AM EST

Re: Right Now, America Is The Democratic Base (none / 0)

Check out Sirota today: CAUSE & EFFECT: The Anatomy of a Big Progressive Victory

Montana Dems have pressured Baucus to back off his support of fast track. This article is full of goodies.

http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/ind ex.cfm?mode=entry&entry=FB0166DB-E0C 3-F08F-99B81725D937DE44


by mrobinsong on Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 12:52:36 PM EST


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