Fox News Nevada Debate Dead

Bumped from the diaries -- Jonathan

Update: Here's MoveOn's statement.

So reports the Politico and confirmed by the Huffington Post.  Markos has his take over at DailyKos. You can bet we'll be discussing this on MyDD Blog Talk Radio on Sunday at 7pm EST.

Update 2 (Chris): Final statement from the Nevada Democratic Party:
March 9, 2007

Marty Ryan
Executive Producer
Fox News Political Programs
XXX-XXX-XXXX (fax)
400 N Capitol Street NW, Suite 550
Washington DC 20001

DELIVERED VIA FAX AND EMAIL

Dear Marty,

A month ago, the Nevada Democratic Party entered into a good faith agreement with FOX News to co-sponsor a presidential debate in August. This was done because the Nevada Democratic Party is reaching out to new voters and we strongly believe that a Democrat will not win Nevada unless we find new ways to talk to new people.

To say the least, this was not a popular decision. But it is one that the Democratic Party stood by. However, comments made last night by FOX News President Roger Ailes in reference to one of our presidential candidates went too far. We cannot, as good Democrats, put our party in a position to defend such comments.

In light of his comments, we have concluded that it is not possible to hold a Presidential debate that will focus on our candidates and are therefore canceling our August debate. We take no pleasure in this, but it is the only course of action.

Sincerely,
Tom Collins, Chairman, Nevada State Democratic Party
Harry Reid, U.S. Senator (D-NV)
Good times.



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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 5)

Congrats to everyone involved and great job, especially this site and dkos.  I think this may be a turning point in how the mainstream media perceives the power of the netroots.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:08:23 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 4)

Same here.  Congrats and thanks to Chris, Matt, and all the others here and elsewhere who worked hard to make this happen.  


by littafi on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:09:54 PM EST

Debate Dead (3.00 / 4)

We're having a good week.  Ann Coulter is getting kicked around, and our Presidential candidates won't be helping to legitimize FOX News.

Hallefuckinglujah....!


by global yokel on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:12:27 PM EST

Re: Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

Now that was funny.


by anothergreenbus on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:32:19 PM EST
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A good week (none / 0)

There was also that little matter of the conviction of the top aide to the Vice President for perjury and obstruction of justice. It has most definitely been a good week.


by gin pahit on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:43:31 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 5)

Kudos to Edwards and Richardson for their leadership on this.

Too bad Clinton, Obama and the others failed to acknowledge the importance of this issue.  They missed an opportunity to impress.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:13:32 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 3)

Clinton = Fox.
Start getting used to it.
by anothergreenbus on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:34:21 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

I think David Bender is right, don't watch or go on to any Fox program. Edwards made the first move here, credit to him.


They feed they Lion and he comes.
by bmelz on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 09:21:46 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 5)

Yahtzee!

I'm very glad of it, but I wonder if it would have been cancelled if Roger Ailes had not opened his yap and spewed. Did that give Reid, et al. the excuse they needed, so they didn't have to look like they were acceding to progressive/netroots' voices?

I am dismayed Obama didn't take a stand. Sort of, anyway. I expected more of him, what with his earlier freeze-out of Fox.

I didn't expect anything out of Clinton, though. No surprise there. Christ, she's awful...


The GOP has pee'd on our rug, man.
by lisa on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:24:18 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 3)

Obama looks really shitty right now.

Props to Edwards and Richardson.


by Bob Brigham on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:29:36 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

I haven't been following the news today...did Richardson change his mind and say he wouldn't go after all?


by johnalive on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:35:06 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

Richardson called Kos before the deal went south and said he wouldn't attend.


by Bob Brigham on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:05:11 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Sorry, my radar is telling me that Richardson's flip-flop is related to Clinton's game. I think she wanted this debate. Richardson took the lead and jumped in to draw in others. It didn't work because of MyDD and Kos. So he jumped out. Hillary pretends she never heard of it. Richardson sees himself as VP.


by anothergreenbus on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:10:54 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

darn good VP he would make, at that. imagine a UN Ambassador with Governor Exec. experience from a state that has the most important atomic facilities in the world. !!!

Now thats morning coffee with your first mate!


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 03:13:18 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

I wouldn't harsh on Obama too vigorously. He put Fox Noise in the freezer a while back.

And Richardson, being an insider, might have heard about the cancellation just in time to pull out.


by Bee on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:55:46 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

No, I think it is 100% fair to say that Obama looks shitty today. This has been going on for way too long and Obama blew it. This morning I wrote:

Here is an interesting thing to think about: what if NDP cancels the debate before Obama pulls out. Then the dithering becomes a wasted opportunity, a failed test.

Obama flunked this test and "shitty" is the best word to describe his campaigns failure to prove that they get it.


by Bob Brigham on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:08:16 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

For Obama it adds to the narrative that he's indecisive.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:30:28 PM EST
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he is cautious (3.00 / 3)

Obama seems to me to be playing not to lose. He is trying to avoid making a mistake by doing anything too controversial.

He missed an opportunity this week, no doubt about it.


Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.
by desmoinesdem on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:20:43 PM EST
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Re: he is cautious (none / 0)

Attacking FOXNEWS is not a campaign issue.....


by vamonticello on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:24:34 PM EST
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Re: he is cautious (3.00 / 1)

Realizing Fox isn't news is a prima facia issue.


by Bob Brigham on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 12:20:15 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

Have to agree with that. Even if he didn't pull out immediately, he could of at least made a statement. Or make a statement now.


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:24:30 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

He is avoiding the mistakes of Dean......NEGATIVE attacks dont work, no matter if you attack the media or another candidate.


by vamonticello on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:25:57 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Silence is betrayal, its not being negative, no one even said that, its standing up for what you believe in so people will believe in you


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:37:06 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Whatever Obama is doing is not working with the Fox types. The guy froze out fOX once before. He did not step out of the debate and his name is still a source of ridicule for the FOX guys. I am still considering Obama but his MartyBall(for those who find Schottenheimer's NFL playoff coaching ridiculous)) is going to cost him this primary if he doesn't shape up.

Obama has failed once again to show some aggressiveness. There is such a thing as playing it too cute. Obama needs to look at the ruins of some of the past few Dem contenders tro know that a passive approach is going to kill him.


by Pravin on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:09:18 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

great post, ITA.

btw, you get a three for the post, but deserve much more for being able to use "MartyBall" in this context.  Funny.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:54:20 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

I really believe that Richardson probably knew ... he's part of a group co-sponsoring it, he has lots of allies in Nevada, and I'm supposed to believe he didn't know an hour before it went public?

I say this as a mild Richardson supporter, too. I don't think that's a bad thing. It shows some political operating skills, and that's a positive in his favor. But I give all the credit to Edwards on this one on pure forward-thinking action.

And I'm not an Edwards guy ...


by BriVT on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:17:05 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

I'm starting to wonder how much it'll take to make me into a die-hard Edwards guy. I'm not, at the moment, but this sorta thing--the willingness to put himself on the line, his understanding of the basic realities of the current media environment--are making him hard to resist.

What would it take to make you an Edwards guy? (And do you have your own blog somewhere? 'BriVT' is familiar, and your comments here are among the best, in my humble.)


by BingoL on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:09:27 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

Thanks ... I don't have a blog. Never really had the sustained time to commit. If my screen name is familiar it's either because I've been around literally forever in blog terms (Jerome was predicting a Democratic takeover in 2002 when I started coming here), or because, in my occasional periods of active writing at dKos, I get some stuff recommended ...

As for Edwards, he's pretty much set at where he is for me: a guy I could vote for happily in the general, but he's not going to get my strong support in the primary. I like him, and I don't want to sound like I don't ... he just doesn't have enough of a background of effective action in government for my causes to put him at the top of my list in the primary. But I like his campaign a lot, and he clearly knows on which side his bread is buttered, which is a good sign for how he'd govern after a populist campaign.

I'm not going to be an activist for any one candidate in the primary, though (I'm going to be too busy with another project), so I have the luxury of retaining good feelings about pretty much all of them. Activism, by definition, makes you choose sides pretty strongly ...


by BriVT on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:13:36 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

I'm pretty sure he had an inside line as well or at least saw which way the wind was blowing. Which surprises me even more that we don't hear a peep from anyone else.


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:26:06 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

I agree. Richardson probably knew. Oh well, looks like he is running for VP.


by Pravin on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:10:11 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 4)

Either Clinton, Obama and the others weren't willing to take a stand, or else this just wasn't on their radar screen. Either way they were out of the loop. Someone else took leadership, the mute candidates were followers, they had no say and the decision was made for them.


by billybob on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:37:03 PM EST

my pure speculation (3.00 / 5)

Hillary and Obama wanted to see if it would be cancelled before having to decide


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:18:53 PM EST
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Murdoch had a fundraiser for Hillary (none / 0)

and she owes him something.  How could she refuse to go?


by realtime on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 02:13:47 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

If you get a chance, stop by a one of the Nevada blogs this weekend and thank Nevada dems for doing the right thing.


by johnalive on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:52:53 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 3)

way to go, charlie brown!


i'm glad you asked
by truth hurts on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:26:07 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

Until next time


by ThosJoseph on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:38:28 PM EST
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Fox News Dead (3.00 / 2)

Get some extra Popcorn and Bon Bons folks. Put your seatbelts on, turn on Faux Not the News Tee Veee and watch their heads explode! Fun fun for everyone


by eddieb on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:30:44 PM EST

At the same time... (none / 0)

Why not join as a cosponsor of the Reid 120-day redeploy plan?

This came to my e-mail a short while ago.


by Books Alive on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:55:24 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Really great job, guys!
For identifying something we could accomplish, and for getting it done. Very proud.

I don't, however, blame the indecisive candidates. I'm dubious whether the best use of each individual's voice is to publicly attack Fox. I do hope they weighed in privately though, and are encouraged by this successful grassroots campaign.

And bravo to the Edwards camp for regaining some clout with our community.

Let's do something else!


by JoeFelice on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:00:40 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 3)

Excellent job Matt, Chris, and everyone that posts at MyDD.

And kudos to John Edwards for being the first one to stand up and say no.


by Karatist Preacher on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:09:59 PM EST

Tom Collins says FOX debate has not been canceled (none / 0)

This from an Associated Press story that was posted on the Las Vegas Sun website within the past hour:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/storie s/nevada/2007/mar/09/030910435.html

"Discussions continued Friday afternoon, even as MoveOn.org and other Web sites declared the debate dead. Collins said the reports were untrue.

"No, we're not canceling, I am not canceling. We're not dropping Fox," he told The Associated Press.

Fox News spokeswoman Irena Briganti said Friday Fox had not received word from the party about the debate."


by Gary Kilbride on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:23:12 PM EST

Re: Tom Collins says FOX debate has not been cance (none / 0)

Hmm. Interesting, I think there may be more to this.


by ScottWalters on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:48:47 PM EST
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Re: Tom Collins says FOX debate has not been (none / 0)

Posted at Renodiscontents blog:
http://www.renodiscontent.com/2007/03/09 its-official-debate-broadcast-by-fox-is -off

---Original Message---
Subject: Letter From Tom Collins and Harry Reid

March 9, 2007
Marty Ryan
Executive Producer
Fox News Political Programs
202-824-6425 (fax)
400 N Capitol Street NW, Suite 550
Washington DC 20001
DELIVERED VIA FAX AND EMAIL

Dear Marty,

A month ago, the Nevada Democratic Party entered into a good faith agreement with FOX News to co-sponsor a presidential debate in August.

This was done because the Nevada Democratic Party is reaching out to new voters and we strongly believe that a Democrat will not win Nevada unless we find new ways to talk to new people.

To say the least, this was not a popular decision. But it is one that the Democratic Party stood by. However, comments made last night by FOX News President Roger Ailes in reference to one of our presidential candidates went too far. We cannot, as good Democrats, put our party in a position to defend such comments.

In light of his comments, we have concluded that it is not possible to hold a Presidential debate that will focus on our candidates and are therefore canceling our August debate. We take no pleasure in this, but it is the only course of action.

Sincerely

Tom Collins Harry Reid

Chairman, Nevada State Democratic Party U.S. Senator (D-NV)



by johnalive on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:41:20 PM EST
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Re: Tom Collins says FOX debate has not been (none / 0)

Looks like the blogs are running circles around the MSM in Nevada, just like everywhere else these days...;-)


by johnalive on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:43:20 PM EST
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Yep, looks that way (none / 0)

I had to leave shortly after finding that Las Vegas Sun story and wasn't sure how this would unfold. This is an excellent turn of events to come back to.


by Gary Kilbride on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:21:40 AM EST
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Re: Tom Collins says FOX debate has not been cance (none / 0)

No, It's dead. Knew it was starting to go that way when Harry started backtracking yesterday.  


by NvDem on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 12:36:59 AM EST
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Re: Tom Collins says FOX debate has not been cance (none / 0)

Could anyone look worse in a single fight than Tom Collins has looked?

Wow.


by BriVT on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:18:01 AM EST
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CBC (3.00 / 2)

Anyone know if a similar pressure will be put on the CBC debate, or are the circumstances different?

I find it ironic that the coultergiest's characterization of Edwards was apparently just a tad off.  I think he had THE biggest cojones re this issue.  He can say he had a scheduling conflict, but we know he wouldn't legitimize Faux News, and I applaud him for it.  Are we looking for a candidate that will be out in front in standing up for Progressive viewpoints, or waiting around to see what everyone else will do?  That is what I am asking myself tonight....will have to take a second serious look at the Edwards campaign.  


by anninla on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:33:14 PM EST

Thank you to All Of You! (3.00 / 1)

WOW! What a win!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:10:30 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

Good news finally.


by rikyrah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:11:36 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Thank you, John Edwards.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:33:53 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

excerpt of Harry Reid's Letter to Fox News on http://www.solidpolitics.com

"... comments made last night by FOX News President Roger Ailes in reference to one of our presidential candidates went too far. We cannot, as good Democrats, put our party in a position to defend such comments."

Full Letter at http://www.solidpolitics.com


by AustinTexas on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:38:54 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Good news but allow me to indulge in a minor nitpick:  it would be helpful if MoveOn's statement didn't begin like this: "Today, the NV Democrat Party decided to drop a FOX-sponsored debate scheduled for August,"

What in the world is a "Democrat Party"?


by Old Yeller on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:53:37 PM EST

FOX RESPONDS (3.00 / 1)

From Drudge report:
FOX NEWS OFFICIAL STATEMENT 9:15PM EST: 'News organizations will want to think twice before getting involved in the Nevada Democratic Caucus which appears to be controlled by radical fringe out-of-state interest groups, not the Nevada Democratic Party. In the past, Moveon.org has said they `own' the Democratic party -- while most Democrats don't agree with that, it's clearly the case in Nevada' -- David Rhodes, Vice President, Fox News...

My comment: That was lame!


by johnalive on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:04:43 PM EST

Re: FOX RESPONDS (3.00 / 2)

Partisan right to the very end. Attacking liberals in their press release...
by Chris Bowers on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:13:10 PM EST
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Re: FOX RESPONDS (3.00 / 4)

Attacking is the right word.
Fox News wrote:

radical fringe out-of-state interest groups

Wow...sounds like a close variant of the venerable old slur against progressive activists "outside agitators."
As in:

The Mississippi Southern "way of life" would forever resist outside agitators, Commies, and the federal government.
From Crossing Border Street: A Civil Rights Memoir
by Peter Jan Honigsberg

and as in:
Anti-union consultants advise managements to take actions that polarize the workplace, and then transfer blame to "outside agitators" and "inside troublemakers." A divide-and-conquer strategy, pitting worker against worker based on [etc]

Interesting for a Fox VP to appeal to local xenophobia to polarize and divide the Nevada party. A double whammy. Obviously, Fox management thinks politics first, lasts and always. "News" is just the word they hang on the shingle out in front.
Personally, I am fuckin' proud to stand in the political lineage of people who have been slammed as "outside agitators."
As for Nevada, the state party was given a trust from the national party as first among equals in the Western states for the earliest primary. In return, they are responsible to take care of our national assets--the candidates. They have done that, and my faith is restored in the Nevadans.


by johnalive on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:59:53 PM EST
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Edwards, the Leader (3.00 / 3)

Way to go John Edwards. I can't wait 'til you are in the White House, and you are providing the same kind of leadership.


by jfoster on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:19:47 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

Congrats guys, yippeee!!!!


by Kingstongirl on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:29:20 PM EST

Email from Edwards (3.00 / 2)

You may have heard by now that John Edwards was the first candidate to officially say no to the Fox News debate in Nevada--and because of the hard work of so many grassroots and netroots Democrats, news is breaking tonight that Fox is out.

Fox has already started striking back at John for saying no. (There's a surprise--Fox attacking a Democrat.) Last night, Roger Ailes--the life-long Republican operative who is now Chairman of Fox News Channel--said that any candidate "who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake" and "runs a real risk of losing the voters."

And John's not their only target. Tonight Fox News Vice President David Rhodes is telling news organizations not to get involved in the Nevada Democratic Caucus because of "radical fringe" groups--meaning grassroots Democrats (that would be you)--who objected to Fox's long history of spreading Republican propaganda at the expense of Democratic leaders.

The whole right wing is getting in on the attack; the Drudge Report is blaring the headline: "War! Dems Pull Out of Fox News Debate."

Enough is enough. It's time to send a clear message to Fox News and their allies that their right-wing talking points and temper tantrums won't go unchallenged anymore--when it comes to what Democrats should do in the Democratic primary, we'll decide--no matter what they report:

http://johnedwards.com/r/7157/847971/

Fox News has already proven they have no intention of providing "fair and balanced" coverage of any Democrat in this election.

In recent weeks they have run blatant lies about Senator Obama's background. And Fox was only too happy to give Ann Coulter a platform to spew more hate a few days after her bigoted attack on Senator Edwards and the gay community.

Now it's time for Democrats to stand together and send a clear message to Roger Ailes, Fox News and all the rest of them: bias isn't balance, but turning tables is fair:

http://johnedwards.com/r/7159/847971/

The truth is, Fox News can "report" whatever they want. And when it works for us, we'll deal with them on our terms. But this campaign is about responsibility and accountability, and we need to send the message to Fox that if they want to be the corporate mouthpiece of the Republican Party more than they want to be an impartial news outlet, they shouldn't expect Democrats to play along.

You can send that message by contributing today, and remind Fox News that in this election, Democrats won't take their spin lying down:

http://johnedwards.com/r/7161/847971/

Thank you for standing up for what we believe in.

Jonathan Prince
Deputy Campaign Manager
John Edwards for President

P.S. -- If the folks at Fox wonder why nobody thinks they play it straight, they should take a look at what Roger Ailes said about debates in 1988 when he was a top Republican spinmaster for then Vice President Bush: He told the Washington Post, "I don't know that we need to do more than one [debate]. There's no reason to think we'd need more than one." And he told the New York Times, "I don't think you learn anything about the issues" from debates. So please send Roger Ailes a message: Hypocrisy isn't fair and it isn't balanced; it's just hypocrisy--and we've had enough of it from you.


by Bob Brigham on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:33:28 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (1.33 / 3)

The debate was cancelled because of an attack on Obama.......Edwards had nothing to do with the cancellation, neither did the groper(Richardson)


by vamonticello on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:38:12 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Fox News has attacked many other Democrats. Obama was just a bystander (of choice) and collateral damage. Yes the outrage helped put it over the top. But Edwards' decisive decision was the catalyst for this win.


by anothergreenbus on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:06:15 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (1.00 / 3)

Without that attack on Obama....the debate still would've taken place........Edwards should withdraw from the race, he has lost 2 national elections in 3 years, the democrats need NEW people to run not the same old losers.


by vamonticello on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:15:25 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Maybe you should read up a bit, this was doomed before Alies even spoke, though I'm sure that made the decision easier.

Read this letter (dated Wednesday) frm Nevada Dems in response to Reid's call that they should rethink the debate.

http://www.nvdems.com/news.php?newsid=77 7

after this went out, Air America said they wouldnt be involved and so did politics.tv. these were last ditch attepts to salvage something that was already unsalvageable.


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:49:40 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

That's impossible to know.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 01:51:26 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

The attack on Obama was a convenient excuse to bow out due to all the pressure that already existed.

Fox has been saying stuff about Obama in the same wein for quite some time now and it didn't seem to matter.

Your point doesn't make much sense.


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:31:53 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

"wein" should be vein :(


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:32:17 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

The attack on Obama was the excuse. The Nevada Democratic Party needed to save face and they found a way out.


by js noble on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 08:22:44 AM EST
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Barack Obama Does Not Look Bad At All (none / 0)

I don't understand the comments I am reading. This idea that Barack Obama was supposed to come out and announce that he was not going to attend this debate by Fox News and because he didn't somehow , makes him look bad , is way off from reality. He has already froze out Fox. Not just for that one time, but for good. He's not dealing with them at all. Period. Why would he come out an announce something that he's already doing ?  Fox News doesn't exist to him. He was the only candidate immune from that demand because he already gave Fox News the boot. So, I'm not sure how he messed up.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/deeannaroberts/CXtZ


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:49:13 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama Does Not Look Bad At All (none / 0)

i agree with you


by vamonticello on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:51:46 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Does Not Look Bad At All (3.00 / 2)

If what you wrote was true, then Obama's campaign wouldn't have stalled when directly asked if he would be attending.

His campaign clearly messed up.


by Bob Brigham on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:52:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Who said they stalled? (none / 0)

Link?

I haven't heard any such thing.


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:06:10 PM EST
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Re: Who said they stalled? (3.00 / 1)

Leadership means standing up before you know the outcome--because it's right. 'Getting by' is taking abuse to see if you can still slip into a good spot. That is why John McCain is such a looser.


by anothergreenbus on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:15:23 PM EST
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Okay, That was nice and all but.... (none / 0)

You didn't answer my question. Where did you hear that ?


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:23:46 PM EST
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Re: Okay, That was nice and all but.... (3.00 / 1)

DailyKos emailed them. The campaign said they hadn't made up their mind and were considering how to decide.

I can put the link up for you if you like.


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:33:51 PM EST
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Uh, yeah. Give me the link (none / 0)

That's what I asked for.

LOL


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:40:46 PM EST
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Re: Uh, yeah. Give me the link (3.00 / 1)

well looks like someone posted where its at below so pretty easy to find. But here are some links:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/8/2 3820/51135
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/7/1 81817/8433

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/7/2 02938/6370


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:54:57 PM EST
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Thank You..... (3.00 / 1)

I like making peolpe work.

;p

jk.......

Did you read what Foxs Roger Ailes said? He's mad at us.


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 12:03:59 AM EST
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Re: Thank You..... (3.00 / 2)

Sure seems like it :), he was mad before though.

The funny part of it is by his continued statements he reinforces the reasons why people know that a fair debate is impossible at Fox. He doesn't get it I guess.


by okamichan13 on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 12:12:24 AM EST
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Re: Thank You..... (3.00 / 2)

Yep.

I noticed that too. We're not afraid of Fox. We don't trust Fox. There's a huge difference.
He doesn't get it.


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 12:23:17 AM EST
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Barack: Where's the leadership? (3.00 / 1)

Sorry, no. Obama told Kos they would make a decision by the end of this week. He apparently didn't say anything about already freezing out Fox. If he had, I'm sure Kos would have said so.
Anyway, now the decision has been made. Edwards took over leadership of this issue with his initiative, and HIllary and Barack are bystanders.
This round goes to Edwards, who comes out looking like the 24 carot real deal.
by johnalive on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:06:23 PM EST
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Re: Barack: Where's the leadership? (none / 0)

Attacking FoxNews is NOT a campaign issue........The American people care about REAL issues.......Edwards DID attend FoxNews debates before.......If Edwards wants to base his campaign on attacking FOX News....let him do it......he will lose again


by vamonticello on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:19:42 PM EST
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Re: Barack: Where's the leadership? (3.00 / 2)

You obviously have a Fox mentality. The rest of us are definitely post-Fox in our thinking. Democrats shouldn't kowtow to Fox.


by anothergreenbus on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:41 PM EST
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Re: Barack: Where's the leadership? (none / 0)

No one is going to vote for Edwards just on this one stand. There is a one year journey to discover these candidates. But when you tally up all his positives and negatives when it comes to leadership, yes, this will be a positive.

And yes real issues are helped when you marginalize FOX because you cannot implement progressive policies if the mainstream public buys into FOX logic. Networks like FOX are the reason why Dems catipulated so easily to Bush over the war bvecaquse they were afraid of what the public might say. And a lot of the public seems to get their cues from a press intimidated by FOX types to cater to the right wingers.


by Pravin on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:16:20 AM EST
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Re: Barack: Where's the leadership? (none / 0)

I'm an Obama supporter and they are right... The campaign should have said something either way.  They made a mistake... which all campaigns do... HRC has made mistakes, Edwards has both this cycle and in 2004.  Its part of the game.  This hurts Obama short term, but with the exception of a small amount of people, it will not be a factor long term.  The people most upset at Obama seem to be the Edward's supporters, the people most forgiving of Obama seem to be the Obama supporters.  If this was a few weeks before the Primaries then it would be a big blow, but this far out... just like the blogger flap, just like the people who blew up over Edwards Iran Statement (and before the Edwards people jump on that, I agree with you that people over reacted to it), just like the Clinton-Geffen fight, it is not as big a thing this far out.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 02:21:57 PM EST
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Okay fine....... (3.00 / 0)

Edwards wins? What ? I don't know. But okay.

;p


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:25:01 PM EST
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Re: Okay fine....... (none / 0)

He won the PR battle in the netroots for this issue.  As an Obama supporter, I say he made the right call and a good decision and that Obama's campaign should have said something about it.  It doesn't change my mind on who I support though.  But I do give credit where it is due


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 02:23:17 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Does Not Look Bad At All (3.00 / 2)

He does a bit... why?

Because the netroots were fighting to derail this thing...and Edwards backed us up and Obama didn't.

I said elsewhere on the netroots.... how I see Edwards and Obama who are both fantastic candidates.

Obama represents rising spirit and hope
Edwards represents rising strength and courage

Who would you have as your wingman?


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:16:00 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Does Not Look Bad At All (1.00 / 1)

Edwards does NOT represent strength.....that is the last thing you think of when you see John Edwards......He represents a LOSING candidate, he lost 2 national elections in the past 3 years....Democrats need to focus on NEW, WINNING candidates not OLD LOSERS.


by vamonticello on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:34:57 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Does Not Look Bad At All (3.00 / 1)

You're silly.


by adamterando on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 08:42:22 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Does Not Look Bad At All (3.00 / 2)

You're acting like an asshole.  Be constructive if you want to criticize Edwards.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 02:24:13 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

Who are the Faux gnus sponsors, and how can we put pressure on them? Someone with more talent than myself should do a diary on this, and spread it over the blogosphere. Hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.


by p allen on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:55:19 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 3)

ps: the blogs have done fine work on this issue and the Libby trial, literally putting the MSM to shame. Keep it up, we readers are with you!


by p allen on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:00:45 PM EST

Change Of Subject ( Sort Of ) (3.00 / 1)

Did you all see this? Roger Ailes throws a little fit.

Snip:

"Recently pressure groups are forcing candidates to conclude that the best strategy for journalists is divide and conquer, to only appear on those networks and venues that give them favorable coverage...If you are afraid of journalists, how will you face the real dangers in the world?"

Awww.

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/20 07/3/9/154658/4412


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:35:08 PM EST

Re: Change Of Subject ( Sort Of ) (3.00 / 1)

Who has time for these Fox weenies anyway?

By the way, most Dems are afraid of Air America. Sam Seder might eat them alive. Let the Dems have Air America involved is the debates--not gonna happen.


by anothergreenbus on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:50:56 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

Congrats. Another grassroots success.


by jayackroyd on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:41:05 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 2)

Ailes's comments just confirms what we would've had awaiting us. Having them host a debate between Democrats is kind of like a Jew hiring a Nazi to install gas lines in their kitchen.


Because sometimes the best things to say are the things better left unsaid.
by jurassicpork on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:19 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 1)

Exactly,

He's upset that he doesn't have an opportunity to destroy the Democrats. The debates will be watched regardless of who's hosting. He's just mad that he won't be able to claim credit for any good that becomes of it. Now, we can look at his ratings to see if he lost some to whoever gets to host the debates.

;p


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:52:47 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 6)

This is a great victory for our the people of the Democratic Party. In all honesty I just wish they would have admited a mistake and responded to the pressure, instead of using Ailies attack as a cop-out on the debate. What Roger said was nothing new, basically repeating the same BS that Fox had just reported about Obama. It's a convient excuse for Tom Collins but the real reason this debate was canceled was because of the pressure of the netroots and because of candidates dropping out (Edwards, Richardson). If anything it sends a signal that we won't tolerate legitimazing a network which is nothing but the communications arm of the Republican party. To most of us this is such a no-brainer since we knew that the so called oppurtunity to reach a large demographic was counter-productive since Fox would pounce all over the democrats. The current ideological philosophy they are promoting is even fringe for most of the people watching the network.

  Harry Reid obviously had a big part in this. At least his opinion seemed to be affected as more and more people showed outrage. The same cannot be said for Tom Collins. Congrats everyone!


by ScottWalters on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 12:05:44 AM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (3.00 / 3)

From John Edwards' website:

"Last night, Roger Ailes--the life-long Republican operative who is now Chairman of Fox News Channel--said that any candidate 'who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake' and 'runs a real risk of losing the voters.'"

I don't thinks so, Roger, you fat pig.  Any politician who stands up to FUX News has my vote.


by jimmyaj on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 01:01:37 AM EST

Re: Good thing, but (3.00 / 3)

I'm miffed that it was OK for Ann Coulter to make slurs against Edwards and gays, but only when Obama and Clinton, who evidently thought they weren't affected by such talk, got hit with Alies' comment (Obama we know), and suddenly, the NDP realizes that it could hit on any citizen there who runs for public office.

So it's still OK to call the f-word on Edwards?

Well, it isn't.  Period.  So much for Obama changing the rhetoric of politics.  He is doing zip, and only looking when it suits him, not taking a leadership role that he promised in Springfield last month.  He's a big disappointment so far.

And I'm sick and tired of Clinton and Obama not claiming it's not their problem by their silence.

Thank goodness for Richardson, who was the only one to say he would appear at the debate, to back away. He may have done so only when the perile was there, but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The leaders we are looking for are us..Edwards as the big platform pol, supported in general by the netroots of this place, MyDD, Kos, and Taylor Marsh.


by benny06 on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 01:56:32 AM EST

Re: Good thing, but (1.00 / 1)

Attacking FOXNEWS is not a campaign issue......if Edwards and Richardson want to make attacking FoxNews a centerpiece of their campaign, let them do it AND they will LOSE the election.


by vamonticello on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:31:44 AM EST
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Re: Good thing, but (3.00 / 2)

Attacking fox news may not be a campaign issue, but demonstrating that the candidate will not be an abuse victim, is a campaign issue in my book.  Progressive Character traits are what I am looking for....and Edwards was the only one who demonstrated them.  I don't see him as a "loser" at all....anymore.


by anninla on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 09:55:59 AM EST
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Re: Good thing, but (none / 0)

I am starting to think you are a troll from some campaign.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:52:47 PM EST
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Weird frames (none / 0)

"Attacking Fox News" and "campaign issue."
The candidates here are being asked not to expose themselves to a rigged partisan ambush by unrestrained polemicists. That's more defensive, than offensive.
"Campaign issue"--Then what kind of issue is it, and why aren't you concerned enough to direct us to better solutions than what you see happening here?
And not all "campaign issues" can be mediated or contrived. This, in fact, is a campaign issue, and it's an extremely valuable one because now we have had a look at how the candidates respond to a genuine situation.
by johnalive on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 08:50:12 AM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

Wow, that was a face saving out.  Thanks Rogers... We got our way and Collins and Reid can save face and Fox News is embarrassed.  EVERYBODY WINS!!!


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 02:10:35 PM EST

Re: Fox News Nevada Debate Dead (none / 0)

If Republicans had ran away from every debate because they disagreed with the ideology of the network hosting it, there wouldn't have been a televised debate in the last 40 years or more. And they would have been called cowards by the likes of Mydd. But this is different, I'm sure.

This is not about Ailes making an "unacceptable" joke; this is about the Left's fear that if people see the other side of the story, they may begin to question what the Left has been telling them all along.

And that has been why the Left has attacked Fox News from day one. Propaganda only works if the other side is never heard.


by Exile From Hillarys Village on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:36:24 PM EST

So, how do you feel about (none / 0)

The Republican Primary Debate being held on Air America?

crickets


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:40:30 PM EST
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I think the best place for this debate is .. (none / 0)

I think that General Electric's NBC/ MSNBC - is the way to go with this debate. Either that or frankly we should have the debate broadcast on public TV


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 03:16:39 AM EST


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