Needed: A Line in the Sand on Iraq

In the Progressive Convulsions Start, I outlined what I perceive as the growing frustration that progressive leaders and Democrats at large have with Congressional inaction on Iraq.  Whether it is 'liberal thinkers' calling progressives 'children', or Carl Levin talking of military options against Syria, or the immediate negative reaction to Russ Feingold's attempt to defund the war, there's a simmering anger within the public at large.  Consider that last night, Harry Reid, out of deference to Senate tradition, said on Charlie Rose that he will not consider using Congress's power of the purse to end the war (for a war he unlike most Democratic Senators doesn't regret authorizing).  His approval ratings in the netroots are slipping dramatically, and he is much less popular in his home state than his counterpart, John Ensign.

The progressive caucus, which represents a group of people who have been neutered since 1994, is waking up a bit out of its slumber.  Here's Congressman Jerry Nadler in the New York Times validating what Raw Story reported last week:

"Nothing is going to happen unless we use the power of the purse," said Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York. "It's time to draw a line in the sand."

I agree with Chris's point about framing this as a 'fully funded withdrawal', though the communications question is not the issue that is genuinely crippling us as a movement. At this point, the problem is the tremendous disconnect between the outside public and the machinations going on in Congress.  It's very difficult to find out who thinks what, because no one's cards are on the table.  It's hard to organize against the war because it's difficult to figure out how to put pressure against the right people on the supplemental coming this month.

As Chris has noted, this is dangerous for the Democratic Party.  There's an interesting dynamic playing out here, one you can see in Barack Obama's high approval ratings with liberal Democrats and independent voters in New Hampshire versus Hillary Clinton's high approval ratings among conservative Democrats.  Obama, who is more and more staking out progressive territory (not boldly, but he is going there), is appealing to a group of independent voters that are increasingly sympathetic to liberalism.  This makes sense.  Conservatism has died, intellectually speaking.  After watching New Orleans in tatters, Iraq in flames, and a government engulfed in corruption, the Republican brand is gone.  And yet the Democratic brand, while slightly improved, is not sparkling with dynamism.  

Independent voters, looking at the landscape, get that government needs to be there for them in emergencies, but they are also unwilling to associate themselves with an old Democratic brand.  Given a real choice of a party committed to liberal values, though, they will.  In 2006, prior to Lamont's victory in the primary, for instance, 30,000 voters joined the Democratic Party.    Poverty, global warming, corruption, corporate misbehavior, imperalism - these are all themes that resonate more than the Reaganite/Rambo antitax crusade of the last 40 years.

This energy could be captured by the progressive movement, or it could be captured by another set of actors.  In 1992, young voters spiked participation rates in the election, only to drop down to historically low levels in 1994.  Right now, the disconnect between progressives in Congress and those outside is stark.  Anti-escalation measures are passing all over the country - this war is hated, but there is almost no awareness of how the debate is shaping up within the Democratic Party in Congress.  The centrists are in control of the debate, which is their prerogative (and why Rahm Emanuel, who is in charge of House messaging, has allowed the bad framing to continue).  If the outside energy cannot work through the primary process within the Democratic Party, it will work through Naderite type candidates or a populist anti-war anti-trade anti-immigrant Perotista.

So what outside groups need is, as Congressman Nadler said, a 'line in the sand'.  That line is Murtha's plan.  If members of Congress are not going to protect the troops and are not going to work to end the war, that's a voting issue for the public.  We can't though vote on the war within the primary system if we don't know who stands where.  So Murtha's plan should be brought to a vote, and voted down so the public can know where their representatives stand.  Is Ellen Tauscher really that bad?  Well where does she stand on the Murtha plan?  Or Henry Cuellar, a whip in the Democratic caucus?  Or any other members?  We don't know, because they don't have to make the choice publicly.

They should.  Progressives should demand a vote on the Murtha plan.  Winning the vote is not the important goal - ending the war, which can only happen with an organized public putting pressure on Congress, the media and the new President, is the goal.  But we need something to organize around.  We need that line in the sand.



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Re: Needed: A Line in the Sand on Iraq (3.00 / 1)

  The blue-dog Dems, apparently, have forgotten the lessons of 2002. Though it does not seem like they had any interest in learning those lessons to begin with.

  In 2002, the Democrats caved to the White House on the AUMF because they thought their "bipartsianship" would inoculate them from charges of Not Being Serious About National Security while at the same time taking that issue off the table and making the elections about...ergonomics and stuff.

  It was a lunkheaded idea even then. Even if the outcome of the midterms had been only half as disastrous as it turned out for the Dems, it would have still been a lunkheaded idea. Oh, and the media really went easy on the Dems after that vote, didn't it?

 Now, a certain faction of Democrats is falling into the exact same trap -- caving in on a critical Iraq vote because of paralyzing, crippling fear that David Broder might fret over their lack of bipartisanship. This despite having public opinion behind them.

  Earth to blue-dogs: It didn't work in 2002. It's not going to work today.

  If the blue-dogs care about the troops, they'll support Murtha's plan. We're about to find out how much the blue-dogs care about the troops. Or if it's every bit as much a phony talking point for them as it is for the Republicans.  

 


by Master Jack on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:11:55 PM EST

Re: Needed: A Line in the Sand on Iraq (3.00 / 1)

It's worth pointing out that Sen. Tom Eagleton, who died on Sunday, was re-elected twice after sponsoring an amendment to a Defense Appropriations Bill to cut off funding for bombing in Cambodia in 1973.  He was re-elected in Missouri, a state that reflects the nation as a whole, not a liberal bastion.  The message is, you can cut off funds for an unpopular war, still support the troops, and win.


by howardpark on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:15:12 PM EST

A line in the sand, yes (3.00 / 2)

However, the Murtha plan is dead--even major anti-war groups are abandoning it. It is time to move on to a different strategy.

From what I have seen so far, that will have to rise from the congressional progressive caucus, which is focusing funding a withdrawal. There should be a vote on it too, and I'd like to try and help whip votes for that plan.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:17:00 PM EST

Re: A line in the sand, yes (3.00 / 1)

The plan is dead, yes.  But the point of a vote is not to pass the plan, but to generate a list.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:35:27 PM EST
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Re: A line in the sand, yes (none / 0)

I agree.  We need accountability with Dems.

The strategy we may have to take eventually is defunding the Dem politicians who fail to support measures like Murtha's.


by littafi on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:51:00 PM EST
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not if it's been hollowed out.... (none / 0)

the orginal murtha plan could possibly have worked as a line in the sand... but if it's been revised to include "presidental exceptions"... then it won't work, because the end-the-occupation congress critters will be voting against it.

how does that help - when the anti-war reps are voting with the pro-war reps... and only the mushy middle votes for it?

you are dead right - we do need a line it the sand. but it has to be a real one that the out-of-iraq caucus (and us) can support - something to put the pressure on the mushy middle... to make them come down for or against a continued occupation.

my two cents, anyway.


by selise on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 07:09:53 PM EST
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Re: A line in the sand, yes (none / 0)

Yes, a list is indeed needed. We should get it, too. A number of plans will be voted on. The list will be the start of accountability.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 07:32:00 PM EST
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Re: A line in the sand, yes (none / 0)

It died really fast.  It was a good start.  More will die.


by littafi on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:49:16 PM EST
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Re: Needed: A Line in the Sand on Iraq (3.00 / 1)

Agreed!  We need a vote for the reasons you state.

Though in the case of my home state, all 10 reps are in the Out of Iraq Caucus  Go Massachusets!


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Re: Needed: A Line in the Sand on Iraq (3.00 / 3)

I agree that the conservative ideology has died.  That's why I have been disapointed with Obama's bipartisanship, a tactic that upholds a dying and spent force of conservatism.  I understand you don't like Edwards much, but he has been taking much more progressive positions on a number of issues, including on the war. He supports the Murtha bill and he supported the Kennedy bill that would have defunded the escalation.  Obama opposed both.  

Obama's vote last year against Feingold/Kerry bugs me, especially in the way he portrayed it.  He's a little better now, but he does not lead.  

I agree with you that it is time to seize the historic opportunity to make real change, but I just don't see Obama's "new politics" doing it.  He is far too much of a centrist and incrementalist at heart.    

John Edwards is far more likely to eventually support fully funded withdrawal than Obama.  That is, using the power of the purse.  


by littafi on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:47:46 PM EST

How is this meant to play out? (3.00 / 1)

Obviously, this needs thinking about.

Chris is right to say that the Murtha Proviso has been abandoned (by the Progs, at least) in favor of the deadline plus defunding (or, as he rebrands, fully funded withdrawal.).

Let's fast forward to floor action on the supplemental bill - which, we suppose, has been reported out with a Murtha-with-waivers provision unacceptable to the Progs.

The Progs offer their plan as an amendment, and it is duly voted down. (How many votes will it get? 100?)

At this point - or before the vote on passage, at least - the Progs say that they intend to vote against the bill. (That is the current line from Woolsey and others.)

If both the Progs and the GOP vote against the bill, it's toast.

What does Nancy do then? The GOP are clearly in no hurry - Iraq is (presumably) funded through September 30. They won't even be listening to offers of sweeteners. Yet.

She can try and work on the Progs; but their moment of truth will have come and gone. If they've looked in their shorts and found cojones big enough to defeat an apps bill, Nancy, discipline-wise, will have proved a broken reed.

Meltdown City.

A majority of Dems (including leaderships) have said no to playing high stakes poker with the WH; this way, the Progs make them.

At the cost of trashing leadership authority.

Like I said, more thinking required.


by skeptic06 on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 07:11:32 PM EST

Re: How is this meant to play out? (none / 0)

If you suppose that there might possibly be 100 Dem congressmen with the stones to vote down a pro-war appropriations bill, then I want to visit the America you live in.

It's not the nation whose Congress I see on CSPAN.


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by Brian Watkins on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 06:38:47 PM EST
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Re: Needed: A Line in the Sand on Iraq (none / 0)

A Murtha plan with presidential waivers is useless. It won't stop Bush and won't embarrass the Republicans (nothing seems to embarrass them). Progressivess should not vote for it.

A funding measure with real teeth that requires withdrawal would be a good line in the sand.

Progressives should vote to fully fund withdrawal, but zero for continuing the war. And then if Bush and the Republicans want to continue Bush's war, they can hold bake sales to fund it.


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by RandomNonviolence on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 10:07:03 AM EST


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