How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll

Bumped--Chris

Welcome to the second installment in my series about the Iowa caucuses. If you missed part one, you can find it here or here.

Political junkies and hacks, follow me after the jump as I clarify a few points from my first diary on how state delegates are assigned. After that I'll discuss who will be underrepresented and who will be overrepresented when they calculate the delegate totals on the big night next January.

Please read, take the poll and comment, but don't blame me for this screwed-up system. I prefer primaries.

First, I want to correct an error from my previous diary on the caucuses. I noted that the winner in Iowa is the person who gets the most state delegates, not the most raw votes. In the past, there have been 3,000 state delegates up for grabs. However, Drew Miller over at Bleeding Heartland pointed out that this year the Iowa Democratic Party's central committee decided to reduce that number to 2,500 for next year's caucus. That means the numbers I gave for delegates allocated to each county were off.

Drew was kind enough to recalculate how many state convention delegates each county will assign. Click through if you want the list for all 99 counties.

Here are the correct totals for the eleven largest counties in terms of Democratic Party state delegates. I put the main population center of each county in parentheses. These eleven counties will account for more than half (1,336) of the 2,500 "votes" in Iowa next January.

County - Delegates
Polk (Des Moines) - 357
Linn (Cedar Rapids) - 202
Scott (Davenport and Bettendorf, the Iowa side of the Quad Cities) - 142
Johnson (Iowa City, University of Iowa) - 137
Black Hawk (Waterloo) - 117
Dubuque (Dubuque) - 90
Story (Ames, Iowa State University) - 76
Woodbury (Sioux City) - 68
Pottawattamie (Council Bluffs, across the river from Omaha, Nebraska) - 55
Clinton (Clinton) - 46
Cerro Gordo (Mason City) - 46

Next, a clarification. In the comments to my last diary on MyDD, Iowa City-based blogger John Deeth pointed out something I neglected to mention. The delegate counts I just listed are delegates to the state convention. They are not actually elected on caucus night. Voters attending precinct caucuses on caucus night are choosing delegates to send to their county's convention.

Within each county, delegates are allocated to precincts based on Democratic voting in the previous presidential and gubernatorial elections. So, my precinct in the Des Moines suburbs will assign six delegates, but those are not six of the 2,500 state delegates--those are six delegates to the Polk County convention.

On caucus night the news media will report estimated state delegate totals. That's because even though the state convention will be held later, once the precinct totals are in it will be possible to calculate how each county's state delegates will be allocated among the candidates.

See how confusing the Iowa caucuses are? It's been almost 20 years since I attended my first caucus and I still couldn't explain it right the first time...

Now, I want to call your attention to a great post by Geraldine over at Iowa Progress on The Inequalities of the Iowa Caucus. We know that the caucus system makes it much harder for some groups to participate, such as people who work nights and people who can't or won't drive at night. But Geraldine shows that those who do show up on caucus night do not exercise equal political power, because it takes more voters to assign a state delegate in some counties than in others.

During the last presidential race, 122,193 Iowans came to their precinct caucuses to elect county delegates, who in turn selected 3,000 state delegates. It works out to almost 41 voters per state delegate.

But in "the People's Republic of Johnson County," where Iowa City and the University of Iowa are located, turnout was very high; there were 79 voters per state delegate assigned by Johnson County.

Meanwhile, there were more than 30 counties in which it took fewer than 30 voters to elect one state delegate. At the low end, it only took about 22 caucus-goers to elect a state delegate in Fremont County in western Iowa. Geraldine lists the figures for all 99 counties, so click through if you are interested. All you really need to know, though, is her conclusion:

When one looks at the number of caucusgoers that it takes to elect a delegate in each county, there is a clear pattern. Caucusgoers in small, rural, Republican counties wield disproportionate power compared to those in more urban Democratic counties. In fact, the people who are most disadvantaged by this are students. Of the four counties where it required the most caucusgoers to elect a delegate, three of them had significant student populations: Johnson, Poweshiek and Story. It is a system that favors the old over the young, the rural over the urban, Western Iowa over Eastern Iowa. It is a method that of selecting a candidate that has a clear bias and to be successful, presidential candidates have to spend a disproportionate amount of energy on less populous rural areas.

I want to underscore this point: three of the four counties where it required the most caucusgoers to elect a state delegate had large student populations: Johnson (University of Iowa), Poweshiek (Grinnell College) and Story (Iowa State University). The other county in the top four was Jefferson County, home to Maharishi University and a large contingent of progressives and Greens (not only Dean, but even Kucinich did better than Kerry and Edwards in that county).

You can add this to your list of reasons why Dean's perfect storm failed in Iowa.

Look at the 2004 Iowa caucus results by county: several of Dean's strongest counties happened to be those where the caucus-goer/state delegate ratio was the highest.

Like I said in my first diary on the caucuses, you don't want pockets of deep support in Iowa. Dean turned out hundreds of supporters in crowded precincts, but it didn't translate into as many delegates as he needed.

If I were Barack Obama, this aspect of the caucus system would worry me greatly.

Also, you can add this to your list of reasons why Iowa is difficult to poll. Polling firms may contact 600 or 800 people geographically dispersed across Iowa. But are they weighting their results to account for the fact that it might take twice as many voters in one county to elect a state delegate as it does in another county nearby?

Upcoming installments in this series will go into more detail about "caucus math," which determines how many delegates the candidates will win at the precinct level. (If you love political hackery and just can't wait to learn more about caucus math, check out this diary by Drew Miller on this subject. He has even made a spreadsheet explaining the whole messy system.) I'll also say more about who's there and who's not there on caucus night, and why volunteer precinct captains are particularly helpful in Iowa.

(cross-posted at Daily Kos)


Poll
What, above all else, caused Dean's perfect storm to fail?
GOTV plan relied too much on out-of-staters in orange hats
his poor message discipline and television ads in the final weeks
media and campaign rivals teamed up to disparage his comments regarding the capture of Saddam Hussein
Iowans did what the party establishment told them to do
the caucus system is a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of two travesties of a mockery of a sham
other (please state your theory in the comments section)

Votes: 43
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

Another great diary. Thanks.

Sounds like Edwards still the man to beat. And that Obama could underperform expectations.


by kundalini on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:09:47 PM EST

my money would be on Edwards (3.00 / 1)

I think he will be very tough to top in Iowa. He starts with a strong core of supporters, and he has room to grow in the areas where he did not do as well in 2004.

Obama is obviously aware of this issue. I read over at Bleeding Heartland today that his campaign plans to open 12 offices in Iowa by the end of March. That's a lot of offices. I can't remember how many Kerry had last time, but I don't think it was more than six. So Obama will not just be playing for the college kid vote.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:16:35 PM EST
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Agreed (none / 0)

My family, in Osage and Cedar Rapids, wanted to caucus for Edwards but I made them go for Dean.
I bet Edwards wins Iowa big.
by ChgoSteve on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:25:10 PM EST
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is your family for Edwards now? (none / 0)

I'm amazed you got Edwards supporters to go for Dean last time. Working my precinct I found that once people decided on Edwards they did not rethink their choice, and that very few people were swinging toward Dean at the end.

Just about everyone I know who was for Edwards last time is still with him. The Dean supporters seem to be mostly undecided between Edwards and Obama. I would assume that Edwards will do well among the former Gephardt supporters, but I don't know many of those.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:28:26 PM EST
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Re: is your family for Edwards now? (none / 0)

Well, I told them that if they didn't caucus for Dean, I wouldn't come home for Christmas.  I'm fortunate in that my family listens to what I say politically, especially when I blackmail them.  
But they definitely preferred Edwards to Dean.  They thought he was "nice."
by ChgoSteve on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:53:59 PM EST
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re: Dean and "the establishment" (none / 0)

For those who picked that answer on the poll:

I always laugh when people say Dean lost Iowa because of the party establishment. It's true that the media establishment was against him (I am not aware of any newspapers that endorsed him), but let's not forget that Senator Tom Harkin and Iowa's most powerful union, AFSCME, both endorsed Dean. AFSCME in particular did a lot of GOTV for him.

So Iowans were not just doing what they were told to do.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:31:15 PM EST

Re: re: Dean and "the establishment" (none / 0)

Yeah, but lots of those old folks (my grandparents included) will do anything that a Kennedy asks them to.  Teddy hit the state hard for Kerry over the last couple of weeks and I think that made a big difference.
That's why I chose "the establishment" from your poll choices.  Please tell me it wasn't the orange hats.
by ChgoSteve on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:57:57 PM EST
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I went to one of those Kennedy rallies (none / 0)

People loved him, it's true, and he worked the crowds well. I think in the Dubuque area and elsewhere in eastern Iowa Kennedy was especially helpful for Kerry. Kerry just dominated a lot of the eastern counties.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:01:42 PM EST
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We'll know more when the frontloading ends (none / 0)

It's way too early to say, but Iowa's influence/importance may turn out to be much less relevant if other states move their contests earlier. A good show in other states, can propel any candidate forward. As for Barak, he shouldn't place all his bets on Iowa.

By the mid Fall, before any primary vote is cast, there will be further distinctions among the top tier candidates, and, especially the Clinton-antiClinton camps.


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by Andros on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:56:17 PM EST

Re: We'll know more when the frontloading ends (none / 0)

I agree. I think Obama doesn't need to win Iowa. If Edwards wins, a strong second for Obama would be enough. The most important thing for Obama is to finish ahead of Clinton in Iowa, which I think he will.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:58:52 PM EST
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Re: We'll know more when the frontloading ends (none / 0)

But Obama's got to win somewhere to prove he's for real.  And winning your home-state on Super Duper Tuesday (Feb 5) aint gonna cut it.

Where does he do it?


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by Peter from WI on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:03:41 PM EST
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I would think he needs to win NH and SC (none / 0)

which is quite possible for him. I expect the debates to puncture Clinton's inevitability strategy. If Clinton came in third or fourth in Iowa, then third in Nevada, she could easily lose in New Hampshire.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:06:20 PM EST
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Re: I would think he needs to win NH and SC (none / 0)

Agreed... Although frankly I can see Obama finishing Second in NH, SC, and Nevada and still be quite viable on Super Tuesday.  I don't see the first 4 being at all influential this time around... Not with all the big states moving to Feb 5.  The more big states moving up, the less influence the first 4 have... and frankly, how often has Iowa been the predictor state... Just because Kerry won Iowa and got on a roll, doesn't mean it is a common thing... sometimes they predict, like in 1984 with Mondale or 1996 with Dole,  More often than not, it seems like the winner of Iowa (not counting sitting Presidents) doesn't win the nom.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:20:46 PM EST
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Re: I would think he needs to win NH and SC (none / 0)

Just to follow up:

Winners In Iowa

Dems
2004 - Kerry : Nom - Kerry
2000 - Gore : Nom - Gore (Sitting VP)
1996 - Clinton : Nom - Clinton (Sitting Pres)
1992 - Harkin : Nom - Clinton
1988 - Gephardt : Nom - Dukakis
1984 - Mondale : Nom - Mondale (Former VP)
1980 - Carter : Nom - Carter (Sitting Pres)
1976 - Uncommitted : Nom - Carter
1972 - Muskie : Nom - McGovern

GOP
2004 - Bush : Nom - Bush (Sitting Pres)
2000 - Bush : Nom - Bush
1996 - Dole : Nom - Dole
1992 - Bush : Nom - Bush (Sitting Pres)
1988 - Dole : Nom - Bush
1984 - Reagan : Nom - Reagan (Sitting Pres)
1980 - Bush : Nom - Reagan
1976 - Ford : Nom - Ford (Sitting Pres)

On either side, it seems if one is a sitting pres or a sitting VP, they have a big advantage in Iowa, with the exception of Bush in 1988... Given that this advantage usually leads to the sitting pres or VP getting the nom, these skew the numbers.  

On the GOP side, If we take away the elections with a sitting Pres, then Iowa has been 50-50 in predictions since 1976.

On the Dem side, Iowa has been less than 50% in predicting the winner with a 3-4 record.  

It will be interesting to see what happens this cycle.  I still think Feb 5 is where you will see one or two really distance themselves in votes and in momentum.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:34:34 PM EST
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Re: I would think he needs to win NH and SC (none / 0)

If you don't count Carter in '76 you are a nutball.  :-)


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by ItsDrewMiller on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 10:55:31 PM EST
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Re: I would think he needs to win NH and SC (none / 0)

It depends on how the first four fall.  If they show fairly split decisions, 2/5 will be very interesting.  But the crowding could amplify the effect of the first four if one candidate does particularly well, or one of the frontrunners does particularly badly.


by MassEyesandEars on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:42:09 PM EST
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Re: We'll know more when the frontloading ends (3.00 / 1)

On the other hand, with Super Duper Tuesday shaping up on Feb 5, all the free media from Iowa and New Hampshire may be even more critical ... if either Hillary or Obama come out of those two with the "can't win" tag from the media, it may be impossible to shake it before going into Feb 5.

And of course, with so many second tier candidates likely to target only a few Feb 5 state, the possibility of the "winner" of Super Duper Tuesday coming out with perhaps 35% of the delegates on offer is raised even higher ... it seems likely that Hillary, Obama and Edwards will have the cash to make a coast to coast push, but probably anyone else will have to hope for an early upset and then an upset on Feb 5 to be one of the two Feb 6 headlines.


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by BruceMcF on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:38:20 PM EST
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Other: (none / 0)

Media relentlessly played recording of Howard Dean speech, filtered through a noise-canceling microphone that made it sound like shrill screaming, over and over for days on end until shrill screaming noises were all that anyone in the public associated Dean with.


by Silent sound on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:09:01 PM EST

that was the speech he gave after losing Iowa (none / 0)

I agree, coverage of that in the media was unfair.
I had a friend in that room, and he said it was necessary for Dean to shout like that to be heard.

But "the Dean scream" was after he'd come in third in Iowa. I had in mind the "perfect storm" his campaign planned to win the Iowa caucuses.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:11:38 PM EST
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Re: that was the speech he gave after losing Iowa (none / 0)

Shouting versus the pitch and tone of the scream are two different things... maybe it was the mic, but had the scream been more of an Al Pacino Scent of a woman type, it probably wouldn't have hurt him.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:36:18 PM EST
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Re: that was the speech he gave after losing Iowa (none / 0)

screaming at the correct pitch when you are hoarse from campaigning is trickier than it sounds.


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by BruceMcF on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:39:17 PM EST
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Vilsack quitting should help Hillary and Obama. (3.00 / 1)

Hillary and Obama seem likely to have more concentrated support, and the departure of Vilsack should help them reach the 15% viability threshold in precincts where they otherwise might have missed it. That's another reason why Vilsack quitting -- especially this early -- takes away the excuse for a poor performance in Iowa. Now it's all about making the sale to Democrats and independents in a state the really defines "swing state."


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by MeanBoneII on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:18:34 PM EST

Re: Vilsack quitting should help (none / 0)

It will be interesting to see who he endorses... I have to assume that whoever he endorses will get a big bump, whether, Obama, Clinton, Richardson, Edwards or other.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:40:17 PM EST
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I don't think it will be a big bump (none / 0)

Endorsements don't carry that much weight in Iowa. I think the Vilsack supporters will split among several candidates.

Everyone I know who was in the Vilsack camp (admittedly, that is a small number) is now undecided with no plans to make up their minds quickly.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:58:03 PM EST
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Why Dean Lost (none / 0)

I voted 'other' on why Dean lost because I think it was the gauch orange stocking cap army of people who were rather undisciplined about how they canvassed.

Essentially, the canvassing had an opposite effect. Everyone flooded into Iowa - they felt invaded!


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by heyAnita on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:57:55 PM EST

that was what I meant by the first answer (none / 0)

The GOTV operation was poorly planned.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:24:19 PM EST
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Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

John Edwards will win Iowa and the Democration nomination for president.


by Djneedle83 on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:18:17 PM EST

Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

Not a chance.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:41:16 PM EST
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Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

Two equally valid predictions


by MassEyesandEars on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:44:47 PM EST
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Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

Iowa Finaish

1. Edwards (38%)

  1. Obama   (27%)
  2. Clinton (21%)
  3. Dodd


by Djneedle83 on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:28:17 PM EST

Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

Give me some of what you are smoking... its some awfully good shit.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:41:05 PM EST
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Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

Care to justify that position? Excluding the Dodd bit, where the objection seems self-evident.
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by Englishlefty on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:51:02 PM EST
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Richardson will make a move (none / 0)

He may even finish in the top three. I think he will become a major player in Iowa.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:56:45 PM EST
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Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

What I'm smoking helps me speak the truth and see future events correctly.

Edwards has got Iowa in the bag.

The Iowa Cacus is about electability.

Edwards is the only democrat who can win the general election.

Obama can't win the general election nor can't Hillary Clinton.


by Djneedle83 on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:45:12 PM EST

Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

Any of them could win.


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by jallen on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:09:08 PM EST
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Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

Hey DesMoinesDem:

We are probably going to do some sort of mock Iowa Caucus at Yearly Kos.  I'd love to discuss it with you and I'd love to get your help.  Can you contact me by e-mail?  I'm hpark4@aol.com


by howardpark on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:10:05 PM EST

Counties w/ students don't get enough delegates (none / 0)

Your point is well taken.  However, of the 4 counties that Dean won, 3 are in rural Western Iowa with a low caucus attendee to SDE ratio.  

He did as well or better in Sioux, Lyon, O'Brien, Fremont (all extraordinarily Conservative counties) than he did in Johnson County and Iowa City.

If you are going to criticize the Caucuses for not being "democratic," you may as well complain that Iowa has too prominant a role in the nominating process.  Iowa Democrats may not be a "democratic" representation of Democrats across the country as a whole.  Fine.  If you want to argue whether the Caucuses are a "democratic" representation of an "undemocratic" representative group of Democrats across the country, it seems like a superfluous debate.

The system ensures that every precinct is judged on its ability to turn out votes for Democrats in the General Election.  Winning the General Election, after all, is supposed to be the goal.


by Nate Willems on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 09:06:41 PM EST

Re: How the Iowa caucuses work (part 2), w/poll (none / 0)

On the net, I found the actual attendance for each precinct in Story and Johnson counties. Using the 2008 state delegate and county delegates for these precincts, and assuming attendence at these precincts will be the same this year, I was able to find one precinct in Story County that would take 9 voters to elect a state delegate, and another precinct in Johnson county that would take 136 voters to elect a state delegate.


by TheWinch on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 02:51:23 PM EST


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