Insider Charades

This is getting tiresome.  Here's Carville responding to our various criticisms:

When I checked in with CNN about this, CNN opted to have Carville answer the complaints. It seemed that Carville saw at least a grain of merit in the case being made here. At one point, he said: "I think that I'm gonna be cognizant that if I criticize one of the Democratic candidates," then he might mention that "I'm gonna vote for Hillary." On the other hand, Carville also said that if he brought up his voting plans every time he said something critical of her rivals, it would make for "horrible TV."

Carville also said he thought the case that he was an adviser to Hillary was overstated. "I'm not an adviser to her campaign," he said. "I'm not being paid by her campaign...I don't get paid. I'm not an adviser." Asked if he never advised the campaign in any way, Carville said: "Do I ever consult? No. I have a lot of friends [in the Hillary campaign]. I talk to them. But I have a lot of friends in the Obama campaign. And Edwards."

Here's Ryan Lizza's piece 'Hillaryland' from last year.

In contrast, Hillary's team likes bright lines, and one way they maintain them is by firmly establishing an in-crowd. Joe Lockhart, the White House press secretary and face of the Clinton administration for two and a half years? Out. (They suspect he's a John Edwards man, though an Edwards aide says he isn't.) James Carville? In. (He's personally close to Hillary and speaks to her regularly.)

And here's another piece on Clinton dining with the 'White Boys'.

Sen. Hillary Clinton has dinner with tonight with several of her husband's top political advisers - James Carville, Paul Begala, Joel Johnson and Joe Lockhart.

All four have substantial presidential campaign experience, and none will play a formal role in the campaign.

The subject of the dinner could not be determined, but the guest list offers a clue, as does history: Clinton convened a similar dinner shortly before she announced her New York Senate candidacy in 2000.

The "White Boys" - as this group of Bill Clinton top aides informally bills itself, tongue in cheek - are unique assets for Clinton. That they won't be part of the formal hierarchy of the campaign, which will be managed by Patti Solis Doyle, poses some rare challenges.

Between the four of them, they're friends with just about every important Democratic strategist and office-holder in the nation. They're personal friends with Bill Clinton. And they have access to - and regularly speak with - charter members of the national political media.

As informal advisers, they'll be in a position to provide Clinton with information and perspective from outside the campaign structure. But they'll also be free to talk about the campaign to others.

One Clinton insider (we hate to use the term, but this person really is an insider) said that Clinton wants all four to know that she's open to their advice. She may also use the occasion to subtly caution her friends from public backbiting or using their status as advisers to speak on background to reporters.

Carville was the senior consultant on Clinton's 1992 campaign; he was a close adviser through the Clinton presidency. He leveraged his celebrity into a Hollywood career, a CNN gig, numerous teaching engagements, popular books, overseas consulting for international presidential candidates, and even a restaurant. Democrats sought his advice and feared the sting of his rebukes.

So here are two separate publications discussing Carville's role as an advisor close to Clinton.  And the Hotline 'White Boys' piece discusses Carville's potential role as someone who can carry message for the campaign to others.

I don't care that Carville is a Clinton supporter, and that he gives her advice.  It's dumb he pretends otherwise.  The reality is simple - CNN should have a variety of non-Clinton supporting analysts in addition to James Carville and Paul Begala.  And the channel should identify him clearly as who he is.

Otherwise, how are we going to know that Carville is being a neutral political analyst and not a Clinton partisan when he delivers on message digs at Obama on the Situation Room?

BLITZER: Some people suggest, James, that she is simply too scripted, she's too cautious, and she should loosen up a little bit, move away from talking points, and just talk to the voters out there, which she certainly is capable of doing.

CARVILLE: Yes, she is. And she -- she -- you're right.

And I -- I -- I think that she does -- she -- she does -- she weighs what she says very carefully and very judiciously. I would point out that, when she made the joke about the evil men, everybody in the press, you know, came up, and she shows a -- shows a little side of her.

I think, as the campaign goes on, you're going to probably see more and more of this. Remember, we're in -- very early in this -- in this game. I hate to call it a game, but we're very early in -- in this process. And, you know, Senator Obama had a little slip yesterday.

There is going to be a lot of slips coming here along the way. And -- but I -- I think, as this evolves, that some of her warmth is going to come out. She does quite well in these -- in these settings with voters. And I think her campaign would like to continue to get her one on one with voters, and let the -- and let the cameras record that.

What will we tell the children?



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we'll tell the children (none / 0)

that when obama put in a bad showing at the health care conference, instead of confronting that legitimate criticism head on, bloggers who betray their obvious bias towards obama tried to distract people with what they already knew:  carville has always shown and will continue to show a pretty obvious bias towards hillary.

that's what i just told my kid, anyway, she said "i coulda told you that," and went back to watching jakers!  the adventures of piggly winks.

let it go.

let. it.  go.

obama blew the health care gig.  he'll get better.

it'll all be OK in the end.


by Stewieeeee on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 01:05:48 AM EST

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Today they had on Bill Press who aggressively was taking only pro Hillary stands.  He knocked down the other candidates and injected Hillary in as walking on water and inevitable.  He always struck me as neutral but, today he was like a paid spokesman doing official duty.  this is worrying as all the programs routinely use cllintonistas as pundits.  Hillary Rosen on MSNBC, and others.  Are there not any democrats who have not or are not connected to Hillary and an operative?


by vwcat on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 01:21:29 AM EST

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There are, but they rarely ever get face time on TV.  It's a sad fact of life, but the DLC crowd has become the TV face of the Democratic party.  That has been their one lasting, successful gambit.


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 01:45:49 AM EST
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Carville and O'Reilly are Leon Panetta's special guests in May for his Leon & Sylvia Panetta Institute housed and wed to California State University Monterey Bay. Small wonder Carville will never be on her A team, at least publicly. Many locals, including this ole brat are livid taxpayer money allows Panetta to pollute our priceless coastal air and reputation by hosting O'Reilly... and Carville for that matter.


by Newspaperbrat on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 02:00:43 AM EST

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Re James Carville .... Who cares???? Who freaking cares???

Go after George Bush, Karl Rove, Rudy Giuliani, Dick Cheney. The netroots is destroying itself with this 24/7 hatred for anything related to Hillary Clinton.  And it isn't the netroots that is winning!  That's what so many of you can't seem to figure out.  

Obama blew his presentation at the Healthcare Forum.  WATCH THE VIDEO!  Carville has every right to mention it.  

Could it be you're all just pissed off because Hillary aced HER presentation?  Maybe Obama needs to spend more time at the drawing board. Shouldn't every candidate for President?


by marasaud on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 02:50:38 AM EST

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We had all this backbiting last year. Didn't hurt us one bit.

So long as there is something called a primary Dems will chose others besides Hillary and other annointed ones.


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by Dameocrat on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 06:00:48 AM EST
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"Re James Carville .... Who cares???? Who freaking cares???"

Pardon me for asking, but are you nuts?

I care - I care a lot.  I'm not an Obama supporter - right now I'm not an ANYBODY supporter.  I'd be  fine with a Hillary Clinton nomination - any of the folks on the Democratic field right now are an entire tier better than any one of the GOP nominations right now, and I think any of them that can stand up to the inevitable swiftboating that they're going to get during the Presidential run will be able to make the presidency, and probably do a fine job as president.

BUT - this shit that Carville is pulling has got to end.  This is the type of crap that Republicans pull all of the time.  And its time for the Dems to root it out of their own party and get rid of it.  Carville is representing himself as a "Democratic Analyst" on these shows - he's acting like he can be a neutral commenter on how the Democratic primary battle is going when he's got a vested interest in Hillary Clinton being the winner.  His title should be "Democratic Activist and Clinton Advisor", whether he's paid to be an advisor or not, if he's giving advice to them he's an advisor and the people watching the show need to know about it.

This has nothing to do with Obama, or Edwards, or even to a large degree Clinton.  This has to do with the dishonesty of the media in general and James Carville in particular.


by NonyNony on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 10:21:49 AM EST
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No. Hillary doesn't appear to be suffering from the (generally constructive) criticism of her stands, particularly since the netroots aren't her natural supporters. And trying to get CNN to take a neutral viewpoint on the 2008 primary is hardly 24/7 hatred. To claim it was would be to demonstrate a persecution complex.

Criticising the Republicans for their failure to govern and critiquing the various Democratic candidates as potential supporters shouldn't be and aren't mutually exclusive. If the latter isn't done, it's doing no service to the candidates.

That said, Obama didn't do terribly well at the Healthcare forum. I don't think anybody really denies that. But that doesn't make Carville neutral.


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by Englishlefty on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 10:29:07 AM EST
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be open about your allegiences and bias so that the consumer can make an informed decision.

Perhaps the answer is, in part, to begin more carefully differentiating between analysis and entertainment. I don't think Carville is an analysist on CNN; he's an entertainer.


by zic on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 10:50:09 AM EST


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