The Times Crosses Rubicon; Kerik's Mob Ties in Play in Giuliani Campaign

For the better part of the last six years, Rudy Giuliani's status as "America's Mayor" based on his perceived performance on 9/11 has been sacrosanct in the media. Although there have been significant questions about Giuliani's policies and how he actually handled the lead up to and aftermath of the attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001, they have not been given much, if any, airtime in the broadcast media or column inches in the print media. That is until now. In an article in Friday's issue of The New York Time, William K. Rashbaum takes a look at one aspect of the myth of Rudy Giuliani and effectively shreds it to pieces.

Rudolph W. Giuliani told a grand jury that his former chief investigator remembered having briefed him on some aspects of Bernard B. Kerik's relationship with a company suspected of ties to organized crime before Mr. Kerik's appointment as New York City police commissioner, according to court records.

Mr. Giuliani, testifying last year under oath before a Bronx grand jury investigating Mr. Kerik, said he had no memory of the briefing, but he did not dispute that it had taken place, according to a transcript of his testimony.

Mr. Giuliani's testimony amounts to a significantly new version of what information was probably before him in the summer of 2000 as he was debating Mr. Kerik's appointment as the city's top law enforcement officer. Mr. Giuliani had previously said that he had never been told of Mr. Kerik's entanglement with the company before promoting him to the police job or later supporting his failed bid to be the nation's homeland security secretary.

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Mr. Kerik pleaded guilty last summer to improperly allowing the company, Interstate Industrial Corporation, or its subsidiaries, to do $165,000 worth of free renovations on his Bronx apartment in late 1999 and 2000. The company has denied paying for the work, and has disputed any association with organized crime. But the two brothers who run it have been indicted in the Bronx on charges they lied under oath about their dealings with Mr. Kerik.

The revelation that Rudy Giuliani appointed as New York City chief of police and recommended President Bush appoint as Homeland Security Secretary a man with alleged mob ties -- ties that he knew about -- directly undercuts one of Giuliani's greatest strengths as a candidate for the presidency. Simply put, no one with strong homeland security credentials would even consider backing someone with alleged connections with organized crime.

But for as interesting as this story is -- and indeed it does paint an interesting picture -- the more important aspect of the story is that it seems to signal that the media are finally willing to take a critical look at Rudy Giuliani's record as mayor, which hasn't occurred in a great number of years. While the glowing treatment that Giuliani has received since the 9/11 attacks might not be over, just an evenhanded look at the serious questions about his handling of issues related to domestic security, to mention just one area, could spell real trouble Giuliani's candidacy for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination, who is already beginning to face heat for his previous positions and actions that ran contrary to the views of the right wing of the Republican Party (these two videos, in particular, are problematic for Giuliani). And though this story, in and of itself, will not come even close to sinking Giuliani's candidacy, if it does indeed foreshadow the type of coverage that he will receive in the coming weeks and months, it's not out of the question that his presidential bid will go the way of his 2000 senatorial campaign -- a lot of initial hubbub but a quick ending long before voters actually go to the polls.



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Giluiani will not win (none / 0)

In the end it will be Mitt Romney, I think. Time to bring him down.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 04:47:09 AM EST

Re: Giluiani will not win (none / 0)

No, he's out.  Thompson is more of a danger.


John McCain loves war.
by Winston Smith on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 04:59:50 AM EST
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I agree, Romney is no factor but I don't discount Thompson. If he's committed to the race I think he's the one name who could possibly deny Rudy the nomination.

But Rudy has a jump start. It's already annoying me on the Rivals.com sports forums where I see Rudy ads  all over the place.


by Gary Kilbride on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 07:51:22 AM EST
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Re: Giluiani will not win (none / 0)

Dobson says he doesn't think Thompson is a Christian.

Translation: "uh uh."


by the wanderer on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:32:31 AM EST
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Re: Giluiani will not win (none / 0)

I like your spirit, but Giuliani is up by 15-20 points in most polls. I don't see this Kerik scandal really hurting him at all on its own - it needs blogospheric legs to have an impact.

Just because Giuliani doesn't look like he's qualified or is conservative enough to get the GOP nomination doesn't mean he should stop being our #1 target. We're nowhere near to bringing him down. Other than finding out that his 3rd wife had 2 previous husbands instead of one, none of the scandals surrounding Giuliani are really new. This story confirms Giuliani's bad judgment on Kerik, but we've already been trying to hang that on him for years.

So while I like your enthusiasm on trying to bring down all the Republican front-runners, we're not done with Giuliani by a long shot. I'll consider us done when Giuliani has a 15-20 point drop in the polls over the course of three months like McCain did. Breaking a scandal doesn't come close to cutting it.

--Matt Browner-Hamlin


by PhiloTBG on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:41:11 AM EST
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Re: Giluiani will not win (none / 0)

"He's out" was referring to Romney, not Guiliani, as a direct response to the comment above.  


John McCain loves war.
by Winston Smith on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 05:19:41 PM EST
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and there is this AP story from Larry McShane about his problems with NY firefighters...

link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070330/ap_o n_el_pr/giuliani911;_ylt=Aps5lX3SNFBOlvX iMn0Tj_GyFz4D


by micha1976 on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 05:35:33 AM EST

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If this story has any legs, watch for pushback that poor Rudy is being tarred by the Italian-American mob stereotype, and for him to specific to come out against The Sopranos when it comes back on.


by aaronetc on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 08:38:42 AM EST

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>> watch for pushback that poor Rudy is being tarred by the Italian-American mob stereotype

But just think what Sopranos-style attack ads could do to him in middle America red-states.  The GOP thought that sort smear would work in NJ and it might have.  But how would such a thing go down in places where New York City is already considered a very tainted place.  Add to all his wives, being anti-gun and pro-queer to being an Italian mob consigliore and that could tip some red states blue. 


by Fred in Vermont on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:40:25 AM EST
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Can we start looking at how much stuff Giuliani does with his consulting firm that he has no business doing?

Giuliani was briefed on Kerik's mob ties while his mayoral administration was vetting him to be New York's police commissioner. Ironically Giuliani's consulting company, "provides background checks for companies as part of its services." I'm not sure if this is more ironic than Giuliani Partners offering cyber security consulting while his campaign website was launched with major security holes with regards to protecting user information.

I really hope Giuliani Partners doesn't also offer radio system and emergency response headquarters placement consulting services. I don't think I could take that much painful irony. [The Right's Field]


--Matt Browner-Hamlin


by PhiloTBG on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:38:02 AM EST

Republicans are meanies (none / 0)

School yard bullies.

Lee Atwater started them down a dark road, dark enough that even he asked for forgiveness before the end.

This is the party of Dobson and Rove. And so Giuliani and Romney are going down hard, and probably soon. The attacks may not come from the same people but Republican operatives by and large work from the same playbook, and fairness is not high in the list of gamerules.

The ads and whispering talking points write themselves. The evangelical base that underpins much of the Republican Party does not recognize Mormonism as being Christian. They have grave doubts about Catholism. They don't like Taxachussets and they don't like Manhatten. In large part because their leadership has taught them not to like those places. Now the leadership knows this is a game, Ricky Santorum can simultaneously be the biggest gay basher this side of Fred Phelps and be known as one of the most gay friendly employers on the hill. Well too bad their core supporters don't understand the concept of 'nuance' and even if they did would reject it because it was French.

You would even have to make anything up. You can take certain beliefs of the Mormon Church that on the surface are totally antithetical to traditional Protestant beliefs and demand that Romney defend them. You can take a Rudy Giuliani with a proven history of having a gay friendly policy, gay roommates, and interesting clothing selections and present that to the base. In each case selling the "He's just like you, except for the ....." starts each out at the bottom of a steep hill.

And it could all be done without getting any of the other candidates hands dirty. Because even before the rise of the Internet the Right specialized in third party attacks. Nowadays it would take maybe two minutes to set up say 'gayfriendlyrudy.blogspot.com' (available by the way), throw up some public domain pictures, links to stories and youtube. I wouldn't do it, I'm not a homophobe or a hypocrite, I don't care what anyone wears whether that be a dress or mormon underwear. But the Republican base cares and some Republican operative or simple partisan is going to get the message out.

It makes for an interesting dynamic. I don't see any of the top tier Republicans making it through even to the primaries. Because there is no percentage for the kind of people who would like to see Brownback or Huccabee take this to sit back. Just look at how Dobson tried to knee cap Thompson yesterday, and Fred is not even in the race.

The Red Meanies are out there. And some people are going to get stomped. I am betting Giuliani goes first. Thats what you get for being a front runner early.


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by Bruce Webb on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:13:09 AM EST

Wouldn't even (none / 0)

have to make things up.


PollKatz: Bush Approval in 15 polls
by Bruce Webb on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:15:41 AM EST
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