ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire

Earlier today, ARG released polls for both Iowa and New Hampshire. March 19-22, 600 likely voters / caucus goers, MoE +/- 4 (1/31-2/1 numbers in parenthesis)

Iowa
Clinton: 34 (35)
Edwards: 33 (18)
Obama: 16 (14)
Biden: 2 (2)
Dodd: 1 (1)
Richardson: 1 (1)
Kucinich: 1 (2)
Gravel: 0 (0)
Other / Unsure: 12 (27)

According to the poll, the big movement came from former Vilsack voters moving to Edwards. However, I don't buy that, because it is not supported by any other Iowa poll. The far, far more likely scenario is that Edwards was never down 17 points to Clinton in Iowa, the previous ARG results were inaccurate, and that this poll just moves ARG results into line with other Iowa polls. Then again, if Edwards is tied with Clinton in ARG, maybe he has pulled ahead of Clinton in reality. Also, one does have to wonder if Vilsack's endorsement of Clinton puts Obama at a severe organizational disadvantage in Iowa, since Edwards can use his 2004 structure and now Clinton can use Vilsack's. We will have to wait for other polls to confirm if Obama truly is this far behind in Iowa. Even if he is, he caucuses are still over nine months away, and he has more than enough time to catch up.

New Hampshire
Clinton: 37 (39)
Obama: 23 (19)
Edwards: 20 (13)
Biden: 2 (1)
Richardson: 2 (2)
Dodd: 1 (1)
Kucinich: 1 (1)
Gravel: 0 (0)
Undecided / Other: 13 (24)

As was also the case in the Iowa poll, Clinton actually loses ground despite a large shift outside of the "other / undecided" category (note: I include Clark and all candidates who dropped out in that category). That is not a very good sign for Clinton at all, but I actually expect that trend to slow down, or even stop, not long from now, when Edwards and Obama start reaching media saturation levels. Then again, since both Edwards and Obama are actually receiving more press than Clinton lately--most of it positive press--maybe the trend will only continue.

Also, Edwards is once again the main beneficiary of the shift away from undecided / other. When one looks at early state data in both Iowa, New Hampshire, concerns surrounding the somewhat anemic and stagnant national poll showings for Edwards appears far less warranted. He is tied with Clinton in Iowa, and within striking distance of both Obama and Clinton in New Hampshire. If Edwards wins Iowa, he has the potential to sweep the early states. If he pulls an early state sweep, national polls going into Iowa won't really mean all that much.

For some reason, Obama's rise in national polls does not seem to be matched with a corresponding rise in Iowa and New Hampshire polls. Now, this could simply be because there have not been many early state polls, and so there are not enough data points to discern any trend. He is within striking distance in New Hampshire, according to most polls, but that would not be good enough if he finishes in a distant third in Iowa. Obama is in a tricky situation where he is showing strength everywhere, but the only place he is actually leading is online. That is a situation that very much reminds me of Howard Dean, circa late-June / early July of 2003. Compared to Dean, Obama does have the added advantage of three extra months to build his organization.

As a side note, I am not a huge fan of ARG polls, but at least they actually poll early states. Seriously--has any other polling firm conducted both national and early state polls for 2008? I don't think so. Good for ARG.



Display:


Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (none / 0)

I'd be willing to bet that post-Edwards news conference, he's tied or even in the lead in both IA and NH.  It may not last, but it'll definitely be news.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 02:31:57 AM EST

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (3.00 / 2)

Hillary can take a long slow change, if its an upward drift. That can be painted as an inexorable slog to victory.

But a long slow slide would be a more serious problem. Especially if her money is more heavily weighted to large contributors, who often can only contribute the one time.

And if she stays with her present policy of 'indefinite US occupation without active engagement', and the surge begins to seriously sour, as these kinds of operations seem to do in six months to a year, getting the media coverage off her committed personal relationship with her Iraq war powers authorization vote is going to be hard. Especially without big dramatic policy initiatives to use as leverage in changing the topic.

I expect that Obama will continue shaking the Clinton tree for votes, with some falling to him and some falling to Edwards.

And I just can't make out how Undecideds would be Undecided whether or not they wanted Hillary. If both Edwards and Obama are still seriously in the race in January '08, people willing to consider voting for Hillary as a last resort will have one or the other looking like appealing first resorts.

One thing that will hurt Obama in Iowa is the fact that his support is likely to be highly clustered, and the caucus system strongly rewards candidates with support spread across the state.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 05:21:43 AM EST

Where the hell is this? (3.00 / 1)

"Obama is in a tricky situation where he is showing strength everywhere, but the only place he is actually leading is online."

I assume that leading online means leading among the netroots?

According to what? Not the Kos straw poll in which Edwards crushed Obama. Not the (much less important and accutate) MyDD polls that shows them to be tied. Not the anecdotal evidence that shows Edwards supporters to be numerous, active, and better informed that Obama supporters (kidding bout that last one.)

Edwards is ahead in the netroots.


by david mizner on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 08:20:18 AM EST

Sorry for all the typos (none / 0)

and generally awful writing--pre-coffee.


by david mizner on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 08:21:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (3.00 / 1)

This is interesting :

http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Ar ticle=91783

It is an unscientific survey of 82 Iowa county chairs.

Among those who said they were not yet committed, more Democrats were leaning toward supporting John Edwards and Barack Obama over other candidates.On the Democratic side, just four chairs said they were already committed to supporting a candidate. ...The survey also asked the undecided chairs who they were considering supporting, with respondents allowed to list more than one candidate. Edwards also topped the list here, with 71 percent of respondents saying they were considering supporting him. Edwards was closely followed by Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who appeared on 69 percent of responses.
Several respondents included both Edwards and Obama. One of those respondents said, "Both have great ideas, can communicate those ideas in an intelligent way, and can reach across many divisions within the United States."


RESULTS - Question: Who are you considering supporting?
(only asked of undecided chairs)
*John Edwards -- 71%
*Barack Obama -- 69%
*Bill Richardson -- 37%
*Hillary Clinton -- 34%
*Joe Biden -- 14%
*Al Gore (write-in) -- 9%
*Dennis Kucinich -- 6%
*Wesley Clark -- 6%
*Chris Dodd -- 6%
*Mike Gravel -- 3%


by aiko on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 08:43:11 AM EST

this sounds right to me (3.00 / 1)

I don't know any of the county chairs, but I do know a lot of volunteers (precinct captain types).

The ones who are not committed yet are mainly considering Edwards v. Obama.

If you were a county chair, would you want to do GOTV with Clinton at the top of the ticket? The candidate who most unites the Republicans while demoralizing the Democratic base? Neither would I.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 11:43:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (none / 0)

As an unabashed Edwards supporter, take this with a grain of salt. But I would consider the possibility that Edwards's surge in NH, could be due to the fact that it's a small state that Edwards has been working hard and his clear and transformational policy proposals and his message are finally reaching people. People like what they see and they are rewarding him for as EJ Dionne and David Brooks said "the most coherent message of any presidential candidate". People like Obama's speeches, but his meteoric rise is slowing down in the states where people get to see the candidates a lot. Their waiting for some meat.

Or maybe Edwards was never that far behind in NH either and ARG was just wrong.


by adamterando on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 09:03:34 AM EST

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (none / 0)

I don't know why Edwards is ahead, but I am glad.  Here is my own personal polling results. Of the candidates we have,  Edwards, Obama, stay home.  


Follow the money
by dkmich on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 10:22:03 AM EST

Info on Iowa organization (3.00 / 0)

Posted this in other places but looks like it would be good here also. Pretty interesting article on organization in Iowa:

http://iowaprogress.com/2007/03/20/candi dates-take-varying-approaches-to-hiring- staff-in-iowa/

First up, the Obama campaign has been doing quite a bit of hiring over the last month. All of their key positions (regional field director, state field director, state director, and deputy state director) are filled, and they are hiring on new field organizers every week. Some have compared Obama's staff to Howard Dean's from four years ago, because it seems to include an unusual number of ideologically motivated young people, many of whom have never worked a caucus before. Their typical field organizer offer, which is the lowest of the candidates reviewed here, is $2,000 per month. Because Senator Obama is so magnetic, they are having no trouble filling positions, but the low salary may not be enough to entice experienced operatives.

Next, the Edwards campaign has staffed all or most of its key positions as well, and has begun hiring field organizers. In contrast to Obama's staff, most of Edwards's staff so far have Iowa political experience, and many have also worked with state director Jennifer O'Malley or state field director Jackie Lee before. General impressions from folks seem to be that the Edwards staff has things together, that their hiring process is quicker and perhaps more organized than Obama's, and that they already have a more specific plan in place. Their typical field organizer offer seems to be $2,500 per month.

And finally, Hillary Clinton's campaign has been a bit slower to announce their hiring decisions here, but those whom they have hired have impressive resumes. Staffers who may not have significant Iowa experience but who have significant experience elsewhere are taking positions on the Clinton campaign that are well below where the staffers might be in most campaign hierarchies. Clinton is paying field organizers about $2,750 per month -- the most of any candidate -- although from what we know here, many positions have not been filled.

Beyond these "big three" campaigns, none of the others have hired (or begun to hire) a full staff here. Dodd, Richardson, and Biden all have a few folks on the ground here, but not enough to get a general impression yet.

How the staffing differences will affect the caucuses, nobody knows, but past caucuses have proven that staff strength can be a major factor in the final delegate counts. Without a sound field strategy in place, a campaign cannot win Iowa, and that takes a good staff.


by okamichan13 on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 10:55:01 AM EST

Re: Info on Iowa organization (3.00 / 1)

That matches my general impression taken from other sources. Edwards is ahead by some distance, he's been focusing on Iowa for some time now and has all the relationships in place to take the caucus. Strong team, well-organised, should win the caucus comfortably.

Obama is in a weak position. He started late in relative terms, the financial offer is unwise because it may cost him good people who simply can't work for such a low figure. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Obama underperformed in Iowa due to organisational issues and the way the caucus is structural, penalizing candidates whose support is concentrated in pockets.

HRC is hiring top people. Her organisation is strong but not really in place yet. A decent 2nd place looks far more likely than 3rd but it would take a miracle for her to win Iowa.

And the rest are nowhere. Completely out of their depth. They can forget it. Best they might get is 3rd if HRC or Obama makes a total mess of their Iowa campaign.


by kundalini on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 11:08:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't think Obama is that far back here (none / 0)

The undecided number is HUGE. Of the active, caucus-going Democrats I talk to, I'm guessing around half are undecided. These are not just reliable voters--these are proven caucus-goers.

Mostly they are undecided between Edwards and Obama, although I just ran into a neighbor today who is considering Edwards and Richardson.

As the undecideds make up their minds, Clinton will fall further behind in Iowa. I see her finishing a distant third. She can buy Vilsack's field staff, but you can't buy volunteer precinct captains.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 11:45:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I think Richardson could place third (3.00 / 1)

A lot of people want to support a governor, and he has an outstanding resume. There are also some conservative Democrats for whom he is a better fit than Edwards or Obama.

Dean was barely registering in Iowa polls in March 2003--he made his move during the spring. I think Richardson could place third here if he makes a serious play for the state.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 11:46:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think Richardson could place third (none / 0)

Please keep us informed.  I have always wondered what Dean did to lose so badly in Iowa.  I am aware of most of the obvious things like Gephart attacks, too many orange hats from out of state, independance of the caucus goers, arrogance of field organizers who didn't have a clue about how the caucus works, etc.

But I hoping that Obama will listen and learn from the Dean mistakes.  Since he also has a high percentage of young supporters and has that star quality--meteoric rise like Dean.  (I am not comparing the men just the campaigns and hoping Obama will learn from Dean)


by aiko on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 01:15:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"many positions have not been filled" (3.00 / 1)

Got that? Clinton is paying more than Edwards and Obama, but many positions have not been filled.

Hmm, I wonder why that is. Could it be that the activists who want to give up a year of their lives working for a candidate are not inspired to work for Clinton?

Don't get me wrong--I'm sure she'll hire those $2,750 a month field organizers eventually. But the most passionate, hard-working field organizers are going to be working for Edwards and Obama.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 11:49:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

OT to okamichan13 (none / 0)

Where are you located? Are you in one of the early states or close enough to do some volunteering?


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 11:49:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OT to okamichan13 (none / 0)

I'm not okamichan, but I am an Edwards supporter to your south.


Join us at Show Me Progress!
by clarkent on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 03:51:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (none / 0)

With Vilsack in Iowa and Shaheen in NH Clinton is in good shape on the ground and in the polls. Edwards is in good shape as well and Obama is in good shape in NH. If these poll trends continue all 3 will come out of IA and NH in relatively good shape.


BlueSunbelt.Com Netroots for the Sunbelt states robwire.com My personal blog
by robliberal on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 12:08:36 PM EST

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (none / 0)

Edwards could win Iowa by 10-15% when all is said and done.


by Djneedle83 on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 12:20:49 PM EST

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (none / 0)

Dude, shut off the computer and get some rest.


John McCain loves war.
by Winston Smith on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 04:19:49 PM EST

Should Obama even run in Iowa? (none / 0)

Lots of serious contenders have done this in the past. Besides, conventional wisdom says that Edwards Union support will be heavy in both Iowa and Nevada- so why not focus more resources in Nevada, a more diverse state in demographic and social terms?


by Chad McVeigh on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 04:58:40 PM EST

Misleading Comments, Chris (3.00 / 1)

In the drum-beat against Hillary, you take the fact that Obama and Edwards and gaining support, while hers is roughly stable.  As a front-runner, that is hardly surprising.  What would be surprising is if that didn't happen.

Once the media turn their negative antenna to Obama and Edwards, as they always have towards Clinton, this will level off.  Suggesting otherwise is, to my mind, a distortion...in support of your preferred conclusion.

Remember, WE are the party of reality!!


by borlov on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 05:32:57 PM EST

It's about more than just numbers in Iowa. (none / 0)

Having widespread support all across the state is critical. You have to appeal to urban, suburban and rural.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:02:47 AM EST

Re: It's about more than just numbers in Iowa. (none / 0)

Bad news for Obama, and indeed the likes of Richardson. Edwards will win Iowa comfortably with HRC clear in 2nd place. The polls indicate so, the organisational side suggests the same, and the concentration of votes also hurts Obama in a caucus system.


by kundalini on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 06:57:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (3.00 / 1)

You are a self-claimed Edwards supporter and strangely enough he talks to you in a language you can understand.

Ever thought that maybe the reason Obama and HRC are doing so well in the polls is that their views resonate with large numbers of democrats?

Personally the whole Obama spiritual, new type of politics, thing does nothing for me but clearly it hits the button for a lot of people.

While I'm sure you will claim that Edwards won the debates, I wouldn't be surprised if supporters of other candidates happened to think their candidate were the clear winner.


by kundalini on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 06:54:40 AM EST

Re: ARG Polls Iowa and New Hampshire (none / 0)

Bad news for Obama, and indeed the likes of Richardson. Edwards will win Iowa comfortably with HRC clear in 2nd place. The polls indicate so, the organisational side suggests the same, and the concentration of votes also hurts Obama in a caucus system.

39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62

7
8
9
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
00
01
02
03
04
05
06
07
08
09
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32

109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173

114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197

336
337
338
339
340
341
342
343
344
345
346
347
348
349
350
351
352
353
354
355
356
357
358
359
360
361
362
363
364
365
366
367
368
369
370
371
372
373
374
375
376
377
378
379
380
381
382
383
384
385
386
387
388
389
390
391
392
393
394
395
396
397
398
399
400
401
402

69messenger
66mature
63massage
60manga
57logiciels-gratuit
26orgie
23orgasme
20nudiste
17nude
14nu
11noire
08nero-gratuit
05nero
02musiques-gratuites
99musique-gratuite
96music-gratuite
93mure
90msn-gratuit
87msn
84mp3-gratuit
81movie
78morpheus
75models
72messenger-gratuit
35partition
65pipe
62pied
59photo-sex-gratuit
56photo-sexe-gratuit
53photo-porno-gratuit
50photo-gay-gratuit
47photo2
44photo
41penis
38partitions
32paroles-gratuit
29parole-gratuit
d/26716safari
d/26713sado
d/26710rousse
d/26707recettes
d/26704recette
d/26701real-player
98rasee
95pussy
92programme
89pps-ppt
86porno-gratuit
83pornographie
80porno2
77porno
74porn-gratuit
71porn
68poitrine
d/26746sexuelle
d/26743sex-gratuit-beurette
d/26740sex-gratuit
d/26737sexe-gratuit
d/26734sexe-amateur-gratuit
d/26731sexe2
d/26728sexe
d/26725sex2
d/26722sex
d/26719salope

120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159

07
08
09
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24

773
774
775
776
777
778
779
780
781
782
783
784
785
786
787
788
789
790
791
792
793
794
795
796
797
798
799
800
801
802
803
804
805
806
807
808
809
810
811
812
813
814
815
816
817
818
819
820
821
822
823
824
825
826
827
828

117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176

192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235

42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76

124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147

172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199

71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105

871
872
873
874
875
876
877
878
879
880
881
882
883
884
885
886
887
888
889
890


by nekanelop on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 04:35:25 AM EST


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.