Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 Ad

Bumped from the diaries -- Jonathan

(I blog at RunObama.com)

Chris higlighted Micah Sifry from Personal Democracy Forum's Tech President on his post on the Obama 1984 YouTube video earlier today. The 1984 Obama video has exploded across the internet in the last week, hopping from 100,000 views last week to almost 400,000 at around 2pm today. At 11:56pm it has 748,546 views (though I suspect there's a bit of lag in YouTube updating since it was also at that number at 11:02pm).

A second copy of the video (not the original), the one that the Drudge Report is linking to, now has 240,131 views. That's over 988,677 views. Technorati tracks over 1,040 blogs linked to the video (both copies) now.

Following the anatomy of this viral explosion today is fascinating.

Much of the attention was galvanized by the article in the San Francisco Chronicle that came out today on the video. Major blogs that posted on the video's article within the last day included Political Wire, Kevin Drum at Political Animal/Washington Monthly, TPM Cafe, the Gothamist, Mediabistro, and many more (and growing). In a huge indication that it's spreading outside of the political blogosphere, I even saw it posted on The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW), the go to blog for Apple news. And not to mention the mainstream attention brought on by the Drudge Report and Time.com's the Swamp, where it "wow"ed the ever-constant barometer of conventional DC wisdom, Joe Klein.

But why this trend?

As Garance writes at Tapped:

One thing that makes me think this was not a G.O.P. hit is the viral flow pattern. I first saw the ad on MyDD, right before it jumped to Josh Marshall's TalkingPointsMemo, on March 5. Those are pro-Democratic sites, and that's the same day other Democratic political technologists started getting the ad e-mailed to them. I asked Josh via instant messenger where he got the link from, and he says a friend of his who knew the ad's creators sent it to him and that "the person assured me the creators were not tied to a campaign or a political org" and that "i took it as a given that they were dems [given who was doing the iming] and that they liked obama and that that was the point of their creating the video."

I am actually pretty sure the order was vice-versa, as Jonathan Singer pointed the video out to me because he had noticed it at TPM, which I Breaking Blued (no link cause I have no idea where to find BB archives), which Stoller then put in an post.

It had been gaining views over the last few weeks and at one point had been the #3 most watched video on YouTube. But in the fractured two-second attention-span of the blogosphere, it kind of faded from memory for most of us. Today, as the video went viral, the main reaction from many I queried in the political blogosphere was "Oh that, I saw that weeks ago."

It looks like the video went viral within the political blogosphere and Obama supporters and eventually gained enough momentum to gather attention from a mainstream media reporter and not one from the NYT or WaPo, which one might have expected to draw this kind of attention. That article then ignited a second viral evolution. The question is...could or would the video have achieved the same level of success without the San Francisco Chronicle article?

And the mystery behind the video is also intriguing. Who is the creator, "ParkRidge47?" Micah investigated this a while back and wrote:

I emailed "ParkRidge47" yesterday asking him or her for some background on how they made the video and why, and here's what s/he said:

Thank you for your interest in the video. It has been amazing to watch it explode on the viral scene. At one point it was the #3 most watched video on YouTube and is at 108,000 views and growing.

Considering Hillary Clinton's biggest video has only received 12,000 views on YouTube, I'd say the grassroots has won the first round.

The idea was simple and so was the execution. Make a bold statement about the Democratic primary race by culture jacking a famous commercial and replacing as few images as possible. For some people it doesn't register, but for people familiar with the ad and the race it has obviously struck a chord.

But Garance notes a unique coincidence:

The original poster of the video on YouTube appears to be someone calling him or herself ParkRidge47, aged 59. Park Ridge is both a town in New Jersey and -- this can't just be a coincidence, right? -- the suburb of Chicago where Hillary Clinton, also aged 59, was raised.

Other theories abound (Singer claims its a Pomona College graduate due to the inclusion of the number 47 in the username).

The ad is impressive from a technical point of view and I originally told Garance that:

[Adam's] best guess: that it came from "someone with previous high-tech editing skills, maybe hollywood?... they would've had to get a high quality copy of the original ad too i would imagine." The original ad, of course, is this 1984 Superbowl ad for Apple, which heralded the release of the MacIntosh computer on Jan. 24, 1984. That ad was directed by Ridley Scott (who, conspiracy mavens will note, more recently did the CGI-intensive Gladiator for Dreamworks SKG, which was co-founded by Obama donor David Geffen).

The Unoffical Apple Weblog noted that the video footage was not from the original 1984 Mac Ad but from an updated 2004 ad:

At the 2004 MacWorld Expo, Steve Jobs showed a digitally updated version of the original Mac-only commercial to add the iPod with its signature white earbuds. The Obama commercial uses this updated version.

With this knowledge, and upon closer examination, this makes the technical aspects of the creating the ad less daunting, but still very impressive. Specifically not having to find, digitize, and clean up a quality copy of the 1984 ad, not having to *ahem* digitally simulated a moving chest with the Obama logo (just add on-top of the Apple logo), etc. But still, very very impressive. Looks like I was right about one thing: "Adam Conner, a blogger with RunObama.com, pointed the finger to Hollywood. "I can't imagine any campaign ever being brave enough to officially authorize it or any political media firm with the skills to create it." As Obama told Larry King tonight: "Well, the -- we knew nothing about it. I just saw it for the first time. And, you know, one of the things about the Internet is that people generate all kinds of stuff. In some ways, it's -- it's the democratization of the campaign process. But it's not something that we had anything to do with or were aware of and that frankly, given what it looks like, we don't have the technical capacity to create something like that. It's pretty extraordinary."

And what of the broad implications of this phenomenon? I actually think that Joe Klein hits it on the head when he said:

This is pretty amazing, and very effective, I think. It's increasingly apparent that the Great Divide in 2008 isn't black v. white, or male v. female, but young v. old.

[. . .]

I wouldn't have the skills or sensibility to do it this way; very few in my generation would. I disagreed--quietly, in a loyal and seemly fashion--with Time's Person of the Year last December. But ads like this one, which will have an impact on this campaign, indicate that I was wrong. You are, apparently, not only the Person of the Year, but also the Political Consultants of the future.

As I wrote about the ad this morning on my blog, RunObama.com:

This ad is especially intriguing because it combines some of the strongest elements of technology, politics, and bottom-up empowered political campaigning into one brilliant example. The lowered barrier of technology has created the ability for an "amateur" video editor to create a professional ad that would put most to shame (unless this turns out to be the work of someone like ILM). The viral level distribution from sites like YouTube, which gained so much political notoriety with Senator Allen's Macaca moment, proves its potential for candidate supportive message. And it call came from an independent supporter unaffiliated with the Obama campaign and distributed through the bottom-up grassroots people-powered effort growing around Obama's candidacy. Expect to see more like this in the future.

So there you have it, the anatomy, mystery, and possible deeper implications of one YouTube video. I sure hope I don't end up writing posts this long on every campaign 2008 viral video.

(Adam Conner blogs at RunObama.com and co-hosts MyDD Blog Talk Radio on Sunday's at 7pm)



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This is the longest piece of writing I think I've done since my senior thesis. And I wasn't planning on it...it's 1:38pm and I still need to eat dinner...
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by Adam Conner on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 01:39:04 AM EST

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Good work. When this first came out last month, we, over at the actual campaign website, were expressing grave concerns that people would think this came from our campaign. We were conderned about her wearing the Campaign Logo on her tank top and that it may have a negative effect on Barack Obama. I even took steps to find out who ParkRidge was and ask him to remove our webiste link, but I was never able to determine who he was. It turns out that Barack Obamas campaign has nothing to do with this ad he has stated that several times. So whatever impact, bad or good, it is not the doing of Barack Obamas Campaign. I can assure you all of that.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
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by gizzy on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 04:24:17 PM EST
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Once again (none / 0)

the blogs are about 2 weeks ahead of the MSM..

However, I love this ad because I dislike Hillary and her campaign.

give me a break "a conversation"

lot's of people who watch this ad several times are not necessarily Obama supporters but don't like Hillary.

why do you think Drudge front paged it?


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 08:12:54 AM EST
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Whoever did this Hillary-1984 ad needs to cook up something on Guiliani.


by Sam I Am on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 08:39:08 AM EST
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I think McCain (none / 0)

will have no choice but to go Karl Rove on Giuliani..

the youtube of Giuliani DEMANDING PUBLIC FINANCING of Abortion seems pretty devastating in a GOP primary..


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by gizzy on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 02:57:03 PM EST
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Re: Once again (none / 0)

I hope that Guilliani gets the rethug nomination.  He will be so easy to attack in the general and so displeasing to the (un)christian right that he will practically ensure that our democratic nominee becomes the next president.  Truth be told, I don't think that either of the top teir repugnican candidates are capable of exciting their base enough to get anywhere close to the number of votes that the party's candidates have been getting in past elections.  Rethug base voters are demoralized and none of their candidates fit the mold, but Guilliani seems like the easiest to attack.  Public money for abortion?!  Man, that's gold!


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:56:06 AM EST
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Re: Once again (none / 0)

The video isn't the least bit original, not to mention shocking, it reminds me of those old drug rehab commercials on tv.
by Traviolla on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:03:46 PM EST
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Re: Once again (none / 0)

Drudge probably frontpaged it cause the SF Chronicle article and to get people talking about dem infighting on a bad news day for the GOP.
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by gizzy on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 10:25:07 AM EST
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CTBob parodied the 1984 ad in July (none / 0)

in the Lieberman-Lamont race.

Much more lo-tech, but same idea.


by tparty on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 01:04:07 PM EST
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Re: CTBob parodied the 1984 ad in July (none / 0)

Whoa, didn't know that. Thanks for pointing it out.
www.adamconner7.com
by Adam Conner on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:03:41 PM EST
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The Ned Lamont (unofficial) campaign (none / 0)

...in some ways invented this type of viral video at YouTube. There were earlier efforts but no campaign has ever used it, and relied on the internet/youtube, to get the message out like the Lamont campaign did.


by Scarce on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:57:07 PM EST
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by gizzy on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 04:23:11 PM EST
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Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (none / 0)

Adam, was it you guys who did the donuts at the Springfield announcement?  It was either you guys or draftobama.com.  thanks.  it was nice to feed all us hungry and freezing people.
Anyway, I do think it's going to be generational because of Obama.  It began as a traditional divide and the black v white but, Obama changed the "conversation" and decided the divide.
Whoever did the video understood that as well in the ad.  The drones being told by the politician and the same old message vs. grassroots and new message and ideas.
by vwcat on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:04:36 AM EST

Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (none / 0)

The donuts were actually the genius of the good folks at DraftObama.org. I'll pass along your thanks to them though.
www.adamconner7.com
by Adam Conner on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:01:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why Vote Different Has Touched A Nerve (3.00 / 3)

It is a funny video piece ("ad" suggests that it was paid for) that really touches a nerve.  The Democratic establishment's script is that we all should march like drones in Hillary's army.  Obama has shaken things up.  That is why the piece has caught on, I've forwarded the link to hundreds of people.  

If it came out that the creator of the piece was a professional ad guy I would look at it differently.  I have always assumed that ParkRidge47 or whatever is a grassroots Obama supporter.  In any case the piece touches something that I feel emotionally and that I believe -- that Obama represents something new & important.  It is a hope and a feeling, not a rational considered position.  It is more Captain Kirk than Mr. Spock.  The "Audacity of Hope"?

There is a good case for President Hillary Clinton but nobody has made it yet.  I'd love to hear her address why her health care plan failed.  I'd love to hear her take on triangulation.  I'd like to hear her talk about how we can change the horrible box we are in concerning Middle East policy.  I want to know if she just wants to manage the American Empire better or really change the course.  

Anyway, I want a real conversation.  The Vote Different piece by ParkRidge47 is a real conversation starter.  There is plenty of time.  I hope Senator Clinton can answer with humor and creativity rather than focus grouped, polled caution.


by howardpark on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:18:22 AM EST

Re: Why Vote Different Has Touched A Nerve (none / 0)

For what it's worth, the person who made this has skillz, but that's a lot of people. Back in 2004 we paid a friend of a friend $500 a month to crank out these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsiluv4_R LA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqIRQZ49- 2o

This was pre-youtube, so there was no viral spread, but the quality of the video compositing is similar, and given that better machines and software are (moore's law) available now, I would expect to see more High Quality work coming from film students, would-be indie autours, and other young people toiling at entry-level jobs in the industry.


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:41:22 AM EST
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Re: Why Vote Different Has Touched A Nerve (none / 0)

I totally agree.  I also think the ad represents more than just the HRC campaign but also the democratic party establishment in general.  It is like: Listen voters, listen to us, do as we say, do as we tell you to.


by aiko on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:27:09 PM EST
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Vote Different or Take Action (none / 0)

I've been reading a book called "Pathways to Integrity" about psychological type.  The author uses "Startrek"characters as illustrations.  Spock is the "logic" advisor to the Captain. And Dr. Mc Coy is the "Feeling" advisor.  He is the gruff humanitarian who is concerned for people.
Captain Kirk is the more well rounded character in the series and has learned to use both advisors well.  The Ridley Scott Apple commercial has been used time and time again to equate a candidate with change. But real change was giving the power back to the people to determine their own future and not just substituting one leader for another.  Think beyond voting. Think Linux. Make your own story.  Take action.  Hope is highly overrated.  
Join the Feral Cats of Freedom Coughing Up Hairballs of Truth in the Montana Underbrush
by Feral Cat on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:03:40 PM EST
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Re: Vote Different or Take Action (none / 0)

I'm much more of a star trek: deep space nine man myself.
www.adamconner7.com
by Adam Conner on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:05:45 PM EST
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Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (none / 0)

Nice piece.  Interesting stuff.

Still, am I the only one who finds the ad...not very interesting, and unclear in its message?  Is Hillary supposed to be Emmanuel Goldstein?  What would that even mean?  And do we really need to be attacking Democrats at this point or supporting those who do?  

I don't know. Maybe I'm reading this too deeply.  


by Baldrick on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:25:43 AM EST

Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (3.00 / 2)

I think you are all reading too deeply into this.

As a guy who is wearing an Apple shirt almost every other day and visits macrumors and appleinsider just as often as I do mydd and dailykos (constantly), here's my impression:

1. I caught it was Jobs' 2004 remake of the ad on the first viewing. Of note, Apple actually refilmed the person running rather than digitally ad the iPod. Note Apple specializes in film products, see NAB later next month, as well as Jobs WAS CEO of Pixar.

2. Looks like Hillary was added using either Motion or After Effects. The angles are not always correct, suggesting it is not a professional job.

3. The Text at the end,  specifically the timing when it enters the shot, is done later than in the actual Apple ad. Notice how the audio just dies after the explosion rather than trickles away. Again, not a professional job. While the text is identical to the original Apple ad.

My theory: Prosumer Mac fan who admires Obama and wanted to do something fun. Probably someone on the Macrumors.com forums.


by Trowaman on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:06:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (3.00 / 1)

And do we really need to be attacking Democrats at this point or supporting those who do?  

Realistically, I think it's fair to say that whoever wins the Democratic nomination will probably be President. So if you have a strong preference for or against Clinton or Obama or any other candidate, it's time to start campaigning. Big donors are putting their chips down now and they want to get behind someone who shows some backbone. All of the serious campaigns are aware of this. Attacking other Democrats is just a part of the path to the White House this year.

And another thing: There are some big differences among the Democratic candidates this time around. It behooves everyone for those differences to be aired out.


The truth about McCain
by nstrauss on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 01:48:46 PM EST
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I could have made that ad (3.00 / 2)

If had the inspiration to do it.  People are talking about it like it was some technical masterpiece, but it wouldn't be very difficult to hand animate the Obama logo, or mix in the Hillary video.  I think most kids with some modest photoshopping skills and a lot of patients could pull it off.  

I'm more surprised by how impressed people are, there is no reason to think it came "out of Hollywood"

Just look at Steven Colbert's "green screen challenge" videos to see how advanced the videos done be dedicated amateurs can be.


by delmoi on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:54:05 AM EST

er "patience" not "patients" (none / 0)

I'm really tied.


by delmoi on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:56:07 AM EST
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Re: I could have made that ad (3.00 / 2)

Yeah, I didn't find it unusual or impressive or anything.  Heck I didn't even think of it as an attack ad.  

There is an enormous amount of talent out there and politics has little of it.  Probably because most campaigns would have condemned such an excercise.


by sterra on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 04:45:09 AM EST
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Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (3.00 / 1)

Zogby put up an interactive poll today, I'm on their mailing list. LOTS of questions about this ad. Do I think it degrades American politics? Should Obama be forced to denounce it and demand its removal from the Intarwebs? etc etc. Really odd. I hadn't heard about the Chronicle article, though, so now it makes a bit more sense.

People are definitely overanalyzing all of it, though. I blame "Lost".


by tatere on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:26:36 AM EST

Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (none / 0)

I'm on Zogby's list, too, and I also took this poll (along with another one on student loans; Zogby's been very active the last few days).

One intriguing thing about this polling is that it links to the video, lets you watch it before answering about your reactions to it, and asks if you have seen it before (I had seen it mcu earlier in the day, from Think Progress' YouTube link).

So this Zogby poll might be actually driving the view numbers up a bit, too.


by klevenstein on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 09:10:14 AM EST
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YouTube (none / 0)

Watch Hillary's poll numbers climb now!!

Love it!


by marasaud on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:43:38 AM EST

Bloggers as Political Consultants (none / 0)

Scary stuff.  Thank goodness there won't be elitism left in politics to think of.

Also.  It has the same impact as 527s in general.  Open access to technology and distribution allows a candidate like Obama to benefit from the most vicious attacks on hillary while standing by and claiming "who me?" and claiming "i'm for changing the rhetoric and tone of politics."  is that leadership?

i would think anyone who CLAIMS to honestly want to change the way people discuss politics would have something more to say about this ad other than "it wasn't me.  and gee it sure looks pretty extraordinary."

i didn't see the larry king interview.  did he wink to larry when he said that?


by Stewieeeee on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 04:03:33 AM EST

Re: Bloggers as Political Consultants (3.00 / 0)

Does that question even make sense?

Obama had nothing to do with it. Why can't you be satisfied ? Do you really want to appear as one who takes a lie and runs with it? There's a word for people like that. I'll give you a hint. They aren't called Democrats and their not called Progressives.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 05:22:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Of the available candidates (none / 0)

which one says he wants to change how we discuss politics but seems to be benefitting the most from an attack ad??


by Stewieeeee on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:11:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What (none / 0)

...is the basis of your accusation?


TAKE BACK OUR PARTY: Democracy Bonds
by LiberalFromPA on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 09:21:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The accusation (none / 0)

is that someone who is sincere about changing the way america discusses politics -- a stated goal of obama's -- would have something more to say about an attack ad done for his benefit other than "It wasn't me."

Like this:  "My campaign had nothing to do with that ad, and i'm here to tell you larry that the reason why i'm running is create an america where an ad like that becomes meaningless to americans.  i think it's a stupid ad.  let's discuss the issues."


by Stewieeeee on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:16:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

vicious??? (none / 0)

This isn't vicious. For vicious see swift boaters, Karl Rove, etc.

This is an excellent critique of Hillary. I don't think most people even associate this with the actual events/characters in the novel 1984.

What I saw is Hillary, mouthing the most inane platitudes and meaningless "safe" stuff -- these are actual words of hers, and very representative -- and the film portrays very effectively the meaninglessness of this kind of ritual.

The power of the film is to show that there is hope for another, more authentic, responsive way, that we don't have to accept the DLC's handpicked choice, we don't have to go with someone who is positioning herself as republican lite, we don't have to accept the foregone conclusion among establishment types that there is no alternative.

That's why it is energizing and effective.

As for having to "distance" themselves from the piece, that's just ridiculous. It's enough to say they had nothing to do with it. Forcing them to denounce it reeks even more of 1984, doesn't it.


by upstate guy on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 09:59:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I have no doubt (none / 0)

a lot of people agree with the attack.

and therefore don't see it as an attack.


by Stewieeeee on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:17:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It says exactly (none / 0)

what the majority of people omline and in meatspace have been saying for months.

I don't get the national polls because I have never encountered ANYONE outside of dailykos who supports Hillary in anyway.


by Libertarian Green on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:45:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Everyone (none / 0)

except me anyway.

maybe that's cause all those people who are responding for hillary in those polls are made fun of in the omline and meatspace world.

and therefore would have no reason to encounter anyone from that world.


by Stewieeeee on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:54:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bloggers as Political Consultants (none / 0)

"Vicious attack?" How exactly was this a "vicious attack?"

And besides, Obama has never (to my knowledge) been against attack ads. He has been against negativity of thought, negativity about politics, the dumbing down of politics, etc. Negative attacks ads are an important part of airing differences between you and your opponent. If you got rid of them, everyone would be singing Kumbayah. I don't think that's what Obama stands for.

Someone, please, PLEASE correct me if I'm mistaken.


The truth about McCain
by nstrauss on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:00:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The trailing text. . . (3.00 / 0)

misses the point of the original ad. "You'll see what 1984 won't be like 1984" was the original punch line. Changing the second year to 2008 just doesn't make as much sense.


by andgarden on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 07:44:29 AM EST

FX (none / 0)

None of the effects are difficult to do if you have some basic fx skills. The hardest part would be the logo on the woman's chest, but it could be done with a little hard work one way or another.

But they are well done, which goes to my theory that in fx work less is more.


TAKE BACK OUR PARTY: Democracy Bonds
by LiberalFromPA on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 09:20:07 AM EST

Hillary Clinton was born in '47... (none / 0)

Micah Sifry already figured out the likely meaning on "ParkRidge47."

Hillary Clinton, born in 1947 and grew up in Park Ridge...

Seems to make perfect sense. And no, I don't that this is a plot by the Clinton team.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 09:54:11 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton was born in '47... (none / 0)

yeah that was my bad missing that micah had pointed it out first.
www.adamconner7.com
by Adam Conner on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:07:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (none / 0)

I agree with the commenter above -- the skills displayed in the video are good, but not mind-blowing -- I'm in the new media industry, and there are tons of people out there who have the skills to put this together.

I also agree that this is a young vs. old issue.  The anti-Hillary meme is very strong, and a lot of people are just tired of her being so bo-ring! It's just like the Onion headline from last week -- "Hillary Tries to Woo Voters by Rescinding Candidacy" -- let the conversation end!

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/hil lary_clinton_tries_to_woo


by metroboy on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:04:02 AM EST

People need to lighten the fuck up (3.00 / 0)

oooh, divisive. low blow. Well, we took a lot of hits from the DLCers over the years. Finally, we are getting people just hitting back a fraction of what we got hit with over the years and the DLCers are crying about unfairness.

This is not swiftboating. This ad and Geffen's attack did not even imply some of the swiftboating lies about the Clintons - such as Vince Foster or Whitewater. No one has brought up Hillary CLinton's embrace of the Palestinian leader and tried to make it out as something it is not(not that there is anything wrong with Hillary's embrace, but the same kind of people liked to conflate Dean with Obama ).

The stuff in Geffen's attack and this ad are kind of low blows, but hey, there are no lies here. Geffen was venting freely, but did not lie about anything. This ad is just a humorous attack and puts Hillary in the same position as IBM and similar corps back in the 80s. No one is saying Hillary is a Bush in this ad or some Saddam like dictator. So calm the fuck down, Hillary supporters.  Just because rightwingers like to incorporate some of the same attacks is irrelevant and not some enthusiastic SUPPORTER's(not to be confused with Obama himself) concern.

Obama responded fine. It would be stupid of him to dampen his independent supporters using fun guerrila tactics to attack an oppponent as long as there are no lies.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:10:49 AM EST

Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (none / 0)

Maybe it's effective because we're sick of The Hillary and her elitism, arrogance, smugness, her ownership of the DLC corporate whore agenda, the fact that everything she says is canned and insincere, that she's only in it to add "President" to her resume,........
And it's a good thing I'm having a "talk nice" day or I'd really say some naughty things.
Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom
by traveler on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 01:09:18 PM EST

"Man in the Middle" (none / 0)

There are two possibilities for the Obama ad: one, that it was done by a clever but clueless Obama supporter who thinks it's okay to spread the straight Drudge/Rove/Coulter line on Hillary, or the other is, it was done by somebody working for the Republicans. Think YouTube "ratfucking." "Let's you and him fight." Remember the phony madrassa story? It was supposed to have come from the Hillary camp. It didn't, it came from deepest, darkest wingnuttery.

But this? Turn off the video. Listen to what the Hillary-monster is saying. What's wrong with that? What's demonic and dictatorial about that? It doesn't say ANYTHING about Hillary, but it forces you to look at everything she says with mistrust. Hmm. Hillary as dictator. As Big Mother? Who thinks that? Obama? No, Drudge peddles that line. Limbaugh peddles that line, and has since 1992! This is Harry and Louise crap. Hillary the dictator. Bull.

For you computer hackers out there, this has all the signs of a "man in the middle" attack. If Drudge says this crap, Dems ignore it. If "Fake Obama" says it, it's more credible. But what does Obama say about Hillary? Not that she's dictatorial -- that's GW Bush, with the warrantless wiretapping and the Patriot Act and all the rest. Obama is effective when he portrays Hillary as too much of a triangulator, a calculator, a compromiser. Someone who just "went along" with the "smart political move" in voting for the Iraq war. That means, he says she's old and too centrist.

If any Obama supporter thinks they're profitting from this, they're very wrong. No Democrat profits, long-term, from the idea that Hillary is a "dictator." First they'll go after the front-runner, then if they get rid of her, they'll be coming for Obama, the "not negro enough," or the "callow youth," or whatever.

I'm not asking anybody to support Hillary. Just don't participate in the trashing of any Democrat. It lowers the value of our "brand."


Old as God, twice as nasty.
by Swift2001 on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:19:28 PM EST

Re: "Man in the Middle" (none / 0)

The analogy is IBM. Part of the establishment way of doing things the same old way. Don't read anything too sinister into a funny twist on a classic ad.

I am just shocked many people seem unaware of the Apple ad. Man, for the first time, I feel really old.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:29:39 PM EST
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Challenge to Video Artists (none / 0)

This is a pretty ordinary take on politics.  What would be more fun is what happens after the screen is smashed.  What do the automatons do next?  Do they all get in line and do something cool or do they just "vote"? And then do they sit back down and a new screen appears with Obama's image? Amazing the way the MSM controls us and makes us talk of only Obama and Hilary.  Seems we are still sitting in those rows with those grey suits on.  Break out of it and cut to the revolution.  Take our stories back from the Corpulent Corporate News -- the Fat Cat News. There are other candidates out there.  John Edwards is the real threat to the corporate master/slave deal that we've got going.  "Power to the people" was not just a catch phrase.  And I'm with the Dixie Chicks.  "I'm Not Ready to Make Nice" with the conservatives.  They have ruined this country over the last 26 years.  Their policies have failed.  No Lieberman making nice with these people.  Our time is long overdue.  We could have had something different with RFK or Jesse Jackson.  Let's not make another right turn.


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by Feral Cat on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:21:55 PM EST

Apple/Obama Ad: Who Benefits? (none / 0)

(Posted similar comments at dailykos.com)

Let's be careful, folks. I grinned when I saw the ad on YouTube, but upon reflection I think we need to ask: "Who benefits?"

I tried to track down the identity of "ParkRidge47," who posted the clip on YouTube, but had no luck. As Hillary Clinton was born in Park Ridge, Illinois in 1947. whoever chose "ParkRidge47" as a pseudonym did not do so randomly.

The clip is extremely well done. Note the Obama logo on the hammer-thrower's jersey. Note that in the final morphed, rainbow-colored "O" (for Obama) logo reminiscent of the classic Apple logo, there is no blue bottom layer, as there is in the Apple original. The color range begins at purple. Is this a subtle, subliminal effort to show disrespect to the "Blue" Party, i.e., the Democratic Party?

No one remotely connected to the Obama campaign, and no sentient being sympathetic to Obama, would be stupid enough to stamp BarackObama.com at the end of this viral video, clever and effective as it may seem at first glance.

Hillary Clinton and her staff may have sharp elbows, but what would they gain by floating this video?

John Edwards? I doubt it.

The video is smelling to me more and more like a typical Rovian ploy. What is Swift Boat fundmeister Bob Perry doing with his money these days?

Remember the forged National Guard documents which ultimately destroyed the credibility of Dan Rather, who failed to exercise due diligence in scrutinizing them?

Remember the forged documents about Iraqi purchases of uranium "yellowcake" from Niger and W.'s use of them as one of the pretexts for invading Iraq?

Remember the flooding of Democratic GOTV phone banks in New Hampshire and the misidirection robo-calling campaigns intended to irritate Democratic voters in several other states?

Remember Republican voter-suppression efforts in Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, and elsewhere?

Oh, and remember the Watergate break-in of Democratic Party offices?

And what about the firings U.S. Attorneys and continuing coverup of perjury and obstruction of justice?

Dirty tricks are what top Republicans have grown up learning to do and what they continue to do. And this video has that certain stench to it.

So who benefits? Think strategically, as the Republicans did by slipping into the 2006 Patriot Act a measure to bypass Senate approval of interim U.S. Attorney appointments and by by firing U.S. Attorney Carol Lam to short-circuit her increasingly threatening (to them) corruption investigations in California.

Initially, this 1984 video may take some steam out of Hillary's sails. It may even generate a little extra enthusiasm among Obama's supporters. But it will also likely generate added hostility between the two camps. Whoever comes out on top for the Democratic nomination will find it just a little harder to win over the supporters of the opposing camp. Hillary's party establishment pols will sneer at Obama's "upstarts" who would dare applaud such a video and will be less inclined to reach out to the "upstarts" if Hillary wins or to work with them if Obama wins. Obama's supporters will find their instinctive distrust of the party establishment to be reinforced and will be less inclined to work with Hillary's people if she wins and less able to tap into the party establishment's organized precinct base if Obama wins.

For the Rovian disinformers, it looks like win-win.

Are Democratic campaign staffers smart enough to avoid being manipulated by such disinformation?


by FMArouet on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:25:00 PM EST

Re: Apple/Obama Ad: Who Benefits? (none / 0)

FM, I'm as paranoid as the next post-2000 progressive, and yes, I remember phonejamming gate, Watergate (well, not technically, wasn't alive then, but I know a lot about it), and Gonzalez-gate. But, in my mind, the Repubs are a lot more afraid of Obama than Hillary--certainly, if they're not, they should be, since he's got the chance not just to win but to realign.
As for the Obama-Hillary hostility, there's probably going to be some of that regardless. Only one can get the nomination.
And it's well known that there's a lot of crossover with Dems and Mac users. You're right to be suspicious, but I think this is just a very good amateur pro-Obama ad.
by InspectorHound on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 06:16:03 PM EST
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Re: Apple/Obama Ad: Who Benefits? (none / 0)

InspectorHound,

 You may well be right, but I retain some instinctive doubts about the genesis of this video. I wonder whether we'll ever find out who this "ParkRidge47" really is.


by FMArouet on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 07:30:21 PM EST
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this was fun... (none / 0)

this was just plain fun. someone used the tools easily available to edit and composit video and thanks to YouTube, it's now everywhere. I am sure this is not the last of these self-produced videos, and frankly that's a good thing. Very little originality comes out of the DC political factories anymore, and design principles are almost non-existent.

http://www.gregdewar.com/2007/03/obamama nia_comes_to_the_bay_ar_1.html


by Schadelmann on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 07:05:39 PM EST

mORE Hillary lies (none / 0)

An interview with Hillary excerpt From Breakin Blue:
Q: What do you think of the video?

"I haven't seen it but I'm pleased that it seems to be taking attention away from what used to be on YouTube and getting a lot of hits, namely me singing "The Star Spangled Banner." "

Yes people. She had time to answer this in more time than it would have taken to look at the ad. What a freaking liar. Let's have a conversation indeed.

COme on. If she really did not watch the ad, then that would be more stupid than her Iraq vote, just not as dangerous.


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Re: Anatomy, Mystery, and Impact of The Obama 1984 (none / 0)

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