Things MyDD Is Not

Here are some points of clarification for those who were wondering:
  1. MyDD is not Dailykos. If you have a problem with something that happened at Dailykos, if you were banned from Dailykos, or if you just don't like Dailykos, don't bring it to MyDD. We are a different website, with a different focus (albeit, only slightly different). We have different writers, different commenters, and a different community. We are not the Dailykos garbage can, or a forum where flame wars on that site can be revisited and continued.

  2. MyDD is not an open, community discussion forum. This is not a message board, or a bulletin board. This is not a place where anyone is allowed to start, direct, or participate in, discussion. This is not even a place where everyone's posts are equal. This website has specific missions it wishes to accomplish, and as we work to accomplish those missions, we will direct discussion accordingly. You have to register an account to post comments at MyDD, and we reserve the right to close that account if you do not act in accordance with the overall spirit and mission of the site.

  3. MyDD is not a general topic, current events blog. MyDD does not focus on every subject under the sun. We have focused content: elections, political infrastructure and political strategy with an overtly progressive viewpoint. Not only are we not obligated to talk about all topics, but the website would actually be greatly diminished if we talked about all topics. We have carved out a niche market for ourselves where we are able to provide coverage and expertise (or at least a fix for junkies) on a small number of areas. If we tried to write about everything, we would suck. If we changed our focus, we would collapse. If you are upset we are not talking about your pet topic, there are other places where such discussions are taking place.

  4. MyDD is not a place where we talk to low information voters, or to swing voters. I make no apologies for writing about subjects and in ways that only political junkies can either care about or understand. I don't care if you think preaching to the choir is a bad thing. I don't care if you think the elections we are discussing are "too far off" to deserve attention. We are trying to attract progressive political activists, progressive political junkies and progressive political professionals, so of course we are going to write in their language, on their areas of interest, and from their viewpoint. Like any successful business or political campaign, we try to cater to our target market.

  5. MyDD is not Crossfire. MyDD is not a place for "balance." It is not for Republicans. We have no intention of presenting the opposing partisan side of an argument. If you don't like that, tough. We are a place for Democrats and progressives. We do not make that a secret. This is not a place to forge national unity. We are trying to help build the progressive movement. Sports teams don't allow their opponents to participate in their practices. Companies do not allow competitors to participate in board meetings. Political campaigns do not allow their opponents to participate in staff meetings. Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh don't have progressive co-anchors. The only people who are allowed to participate in MyDD are people who are willing and capable of doing so in a way that helps forward our goals.

  6. MyDD is not a media entity where non-Democratic candidates are endorsed, even in the diaries and comments. This should be obvious given everything else I have written in this post, but let me make it clear as day. What is written on MyDD in comments and diaries reflects on the rest of the website. Given our mission and areas of focus, any diary that overtly supports a candidate for American office that is not a Democrat will be deleted (when I finally notice it). In some cases, it will result in banning. Quite frankly, if I did not do that on a website where I was responsible for the content, I would quite possibly be in violation of the bylaws of the Pennsylvania State Democratic Committee, on which I hold a seat. We clearly don't always like what Democrats do, but in the end only Democrats get endorsed.

  7. MyDD is not a place that tolerates 9/11 conspiracy theories. Posting such theories in the diaries of comments will result in immediate banning (when I notice them). Period.

  8. MyDD is does not operate for free. These days, MyDD produces nearly 100 front page posts, and an even larger number of Breaking Blue pieces, every week. Our average daily traffic is close to 30,000 people. We use custom-made software to keep the site running. In order to produce the content, programming, and server space necessary to keep MyDD running, we have to sell ads and solicit reader donations. We simply have no other option. Anyone who wants to purchase an ad here can do so. If you think that makes us sell-outs or beholden to our advertisers, you are absolutely wrong.
I felt the need to make these points clear. I appreciate the vast majority of comments and diaries at MyDD, but people need to know what I do not tolerate on this blog. If we didn't follow these rules, and if we didn't police anti-social commenting and comment rating, the site would go down the tubes. It does not take long for trolls, off-topic comments, and flame wars to bring a site down, if left unregulated. If we want to be successful, both for the causes we support and for ourselves, we have no choice but to regulate discussion, focus our content, cater to our target audience, and generate revenue. Those are the realities in which our community is based.



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Things Google is Not (1.00 / 2)

Google is not supported by banner advertisements, does not remove any content posted by any contributor, and is not the only search engine.

That Google however used the approach, I have always hoped for here at myDD, to become an objective source of due diligence (researchers such as myself can fashion the search terms they like, without 'sponsored links' getting in the way) - seems still a possibility here, given Bower's panegyric.

Google was never a few people with an agenda and a policy - it was instead, even less of a number of folks (actually, two) who got together and decided that the current banner ad-supported model of e-commerce was flawed and when they went for funding their model of supporting themselves through innocuous (as opposed to large and blatant) advertising was not well received.

They became a privately held company through Sequioa investments. They, as I, realized nearly 500% return.

My hope is that myDD will also become somehow, some of the things google never was either.

-=-

A horse will not  listen to someone who is afraid to lay down the law, and a horse will not listen to someone who punches it in the neck. But if you can run alongside every day, a horse is an animal that will bear you on its back.

A donkey is just a more difficult version.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 02:56:20 AM EST

Ummm.... what? (none / 0)

I have no idea what any of this is. You want MyDD to be Google? wtf?

I honestly do no t understand what you are talking about. Even if I did, you don't dictate MyDD's vision and purpose. This is not a public institution. If you want a website with a different purpose, go make it yourself.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:03:05 AM EST
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Re: Ummm.... what? (none / 0)


google is not a public institution. if you read my post, I would offer the most logical reading is that I have stated  it is a highly profitable, and very simple resource that most anyone can use.

google figured out that the end user is here to try to execute a search, not to drift off into banner advertising.  so their advertisements make sense, chris -  they are well placed and very effective.

To quote an example I have written here before, a law firm paid google 50.00 per click-through for one with a term that relates a particular and rare disability for which the firm specifically specializes in (and for which there would be a highly likely client).

Google didn't modify their function.  That is my point. The end user executes a search. I think here at myDD I don't profess to know the real function but it seems much like a town Hall. I am offering to you that google figured out that the key thing not to interrupt was the search.
Its your job to figure out what people are really doing here. I am just on the thread, not on the post. I don't have to be that important.
>:)

Questions, Comments, .. Rude Remarks?


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:54:53 AM EST
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Re: Ummm.... what? (none / 0)

TPM-Josh Marshall uses Google Ads.


by jasmine on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 08:14:19 AM EST
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Re: Ummm.... what? (none / 0)

It took me a bit of head-scratching but I think he's suggesting that, to bring in more revenue, you should use a Google search engine for the site instead of the one that you currently use, in order to allow the insertion of targeted ads instead of the likely predetermined ones you currently run.

Kind of an intriguing idea from a purely business point of view, except that one, this is not a traditional money-making web site or the web site of a money-making business and you're not interested in turning it into one, two, I'm guessing that the domain of potential advertisers whose ads you'd be willing to put on this site is too small to be appropriate for the Google model, and three, for Google to make financial sense on this site, you'd have to allow the running of ads from companies that either had nothing to do with what this site is about, or whose products, services, business practices and political activity and donations are fundammentally in conflict with what this web site and its values are about.

In other words, a non-starter of an idea.


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:58:20 AM EST
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Re: Ummm.... what? (none / 0)

yeah there really aren't enough advertisers that would come here without having a conflicting agenda... But you know if mydd DID become a money making operation somehow that's money than can be spent on improving the web site and financing campaigns...Private money doesn't always have to be used towards selfish ends. Just like the public sector could do well to start it's own businesses like they did with the post office... By the way... I order things with fedex and fedex gets them to me 6 days late, It gets ordered via ups, it's always there on time. Anyone that says the public and private industries couldn't compete in for profit just hasn't had the same experiences I Have I guess.

I don't really think we should be telling them how to do things though, just suggestions.


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:05:40 AM EST
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Re: Ummm.... what? (none / 0)

My guess is that for this site to become much more popular it would have to change in ways that the owners are not interested in changing it. And that for ad revenue to bring in much more money without increasing readership markedly, they'd have to expand the domain of advertisers to include ones that they wouldn't feel right in putting here.

I'm sure that there's room for tweaking the site that would increase both readership and ad revenue that wouldn't require changing it in ways that they don't want to change it, but I'm guessing that such increases would be fairly small, and not make THAT big a difference.

This site's owners are not looking to make money off of it, but to advance a genuinely progressive Democratic agenda, and that implies and imposes certain unavoidable constraints which I'm sure they're well aware of.

This isn't the left-wing version of NRO. These guys are serious people.


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:24:14 AM EST
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Re: Ummm.... what? (none / 0)

Kovie said:

they'd have to expand the domain of advertisers to include ones that they wouldn't feel right in putting here.

I have two words to say to that: PORN.  

You know, good progressive porn like "Fair'nHigh 45 ho's to 1."  Or "Wag my baddawg."  "Supersize Me."


by Winston Smith on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:59:40 AM EST
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Re: Ummm.... what? (3.00 / 1)

I can only hope that you're snarking. Plus it's one word. Yet more snark?


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 06:49:51 AM EST
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Re: Ummm.... what? (none / 0)

We have a blog in Kentucky, The Bluegrass Report, a pretty good blog lefty blog most of the time, but as you scroll down the blog you'll see ads for McCain and other right-wingers.  It's disgusting to see such an ad on a supposed Democratic blog.  


by Nick Stump on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:21:28 PM EST
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Re: Things Google is Not (3.00 / 1)

Oh wit, now I remember. The reason you are so incoherent is because you are actually turnerbroadcasting, someone who was banned for constant incoherence, off-topic remarks, insulting front-page posters, homophobia, and demands that MyDD mold to your wishes. Lately, you have done the same thing with this new account

If you want MyDD to be something it isn't, go find somewhere else to play.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:08:02 AM EST
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Re: Things Google is Not (none / 0)

Heck, make your own blog and put it in your sigs if you want to open a form in which to do this crap but not alienate people, can it really be that hard?


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:44:48 AM EST
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I guess (none / 0)

you should add sockpuppetry to the list of bannable offenses?


by taylormattd on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:45:14 AM EST
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Should Mydd go public? (3.00 / 1)

CHRIS, Where can I buy 500 shares of Mydd Stock???


by optimusprime on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:02:36 AM EST
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Re: Things Google is Not (none / 0)

I wish it were possible to filter out heyAnita, he/she has been adding to the noise here for at least a year with trollish and/or inane comments.

Anyone know of a plug-in to let users make other users invisible?  


end the occupation of Iraq
by aip on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:15:15 AM EST
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You could try (none / 0)

rating their comments down, a comment that gets enough Zero ratings gets deleted.

(or at least it goes away and you can't read it)


by justathought on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 02:00:21 PM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (3.00 / 2)

Well,then Mr. Bowers, It appears I'm going to like it here after all. As I read this post, I kept saying to myself, "Now that's what I'm talking about."

Thank you for clarifying.

:)


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:08:36 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (3.00 / 2)

This site is refreshing for the ideas,topics,and information utilized it brings to advance the progressive cause

I'm glad Chris was willing to state up-front in parts 2, 3, 4, & 5 just what exactly this site is: esoteric - from dictionary.com -it fits perfectly

understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest

He's right;there are innumerable sites for all the other stuff he mentions

mydd is special and focused and thats why I love it


by merbex on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:04:07 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

I too, am pleased to see MYDD defined.  I'm especially glad to see the statement about endorsing Democrats and only Democrats.  Bravo!


by Nick Stump on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:23:21 PM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

are there any exceptions to rule 6 I.e. when bernie sanders agreed to caucous with the democrats but was really an independent and to boot we really love sanders unlike lieberman? just a question. Not something I disrepect or intend to break if not.


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:19:37 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Sort of. Bernie Sanders actually won the Democratic nomination, but turned it down. And yes, those who caucus with us are a part of the coalition. In the end, the Democratic Party is only a coalition, anyway.

But if there was a Democrat who ran against Sanders, I would endorse that person.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:26:38 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

understandable, even if you ended up prefering sanders. I'd like to think that in declining the nomination he saved us money and we got a free seat though and just try to edge him towards joining the party. We're the very people that could convince him that if he has objections to elements like the DLC he isn't alone in that. If he refuses and one of our  guys runs against him our hands end up tied though. I understand and the potential ethics violation just adds fuel to the fire.


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:31:50 AM EST
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Non-partisan elections? (none / 0)

Judges, City Council seats and mayors are non-partisan here.




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:40:48 AM EST
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Re: Non-partisan elections? (none / 0)

Nothing in truly non-partisan anymore. And we need to think this way. Find Democrats to fill those spots!


by sndeak on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:51:46 AM EST
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True dat (3.00 / 1)

You would have to see the politicization of Washington State 'non-partisan' Supreme Court races and 'citizen initiatives' to believe it. Coordination does not even begin to describe the overt alliance between the Republican Party, the Master Builders, and Tim Eyman. I don't blame them, Democrats have our own overt allies. We just haven't been able to bring a similar focus to the judicial races that the Republicans have.


by Bruce Webb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:41:50 AM EST
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Re: Non-partisan elections? (none / 0)

Non-partisan is a purely process and ballot distinction, and has nothing to do with the candidates, how the races can be run, or whether the battle remains R v. D.

So there is no D next to the person's name on the ballot, and no partisan primary ... but we still need to fight to get Democrats elected to these positions.

They are the bench afterall, and we shouldn't ignore that because of a fear of partisanship.


by Mister T in AZ on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:35:43 AM EST
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I agree with all your points except Sanders... (none / 0)

and Leahy for that matter. They are progressives who happen to be independents.  I would rather have them in office then some turn coat blue dogs!  


by optimusprime on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:06:51 AM EST
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Re: I agree with all your points except Sanders... (none / 0)

Leahy is a Democrat.


by scientician on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:53:26 AM EST
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Re: I agree with all your points except Sanders... (none / 0)

Leahy's a Democrat. You're thinking of former Senator Jeffords.
Visit Forgotten Countries, my new foreign policy-based blog
by Englishlefty on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:55:05 AM EST
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got them confused (none / 0)

thanks for the reminder guys


by optimusprime on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:36:23 PM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (3.00 / 1)

Please use capital letters and punctuation!


by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:32:41 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

also, when advertisers try to subvert not any specific candidates or promote themselves but to subvert and idea like net-nuetrality, do we still let them advertise because they pay?


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:22:15 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Yes.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:21:21 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

I think he made it clear.

Democrats and Progressives Only.

Not "independents"

I'm sure he will clarify if I'm wrong.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:22:15 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

it was pretty clear, during the latter half of the 06 senate season I started to read kos a lot more so I'm frankly unaware of if they made any memntion of sanders. He ends up being basically the only obvious potential exception, if he's out it's just something I have to accept.


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:25:28 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

god, typos galore.


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:25:52 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

In regards to #6, how then do we handle a guy like Bernie Sanders who is NOT a Democrat (although his beliefs are in line with MANY of us)?  Is it ok to support non-Democrats, if the state party endorses the non-Democrat, as in Sanders case?  Just want to clarify as this was a recently relevant issue.


by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:31:31 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

I Already asked and bowers already replied =p great minds think alike I guess


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:32:59 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Never Mind, missed that you answered.  Mea Culpa.


by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:34:04 AM EST
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Make the water comfortable (none / 0)

So that Bernie will jump in.

Take the Party in a Progressive direction and more Progressives will become comfortable identifying for and voting for Democrats.

Much of the institutional leadership of this Party has spent the last 27 years running away from the legacy of the New Deal. Time for us to reverse that.

Look I believe in Capitalism. I just understand that left on its own its operators will operate in the interest of Capital and against the interest of Workers. Doesn't make them evil. Does make them the opposition.

Unleash your inner FDR and make workers understand that their interests are better protected by the Democratic Party. The fight doesn't have to be vicious, we don't have to imitate Karl Rove in order to defeat him. But the fight has to be purposeful and deliberate. The Economic Right does not have worker interests at heart. They just don't. Call them on it and people like Bernie will jump in.


by Bruce Webb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:55:10 AM EST
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Re: Make the water comfortable (none / 0)

If I was God, I would make you the president, Mr. Webb.


by blues on Thu Mar 22, 2007 at 12:40:58 PM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

makes a noise that sounds like "Lou Dobbs for President"


by craverguy on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:31:32 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Hey Chris,

Where did this come from?  Has it been brewing for a while or was their an incident?


by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:35:09 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

I noticed that the strange Brownback diary got deleted


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:55:14 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Ah I see... I didn't realize that was going to piss Chris off that much.  I thought that the guy was wacky, but I didn't think he was being trollish... unless the thread went downhill after the last time I read it.  Frankly, I hope Brownback DOES GET THE GOP NOM... any of our people can kick that guys ass in the general... easy win.


by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:06:33 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

He runs the site though, so obviously its his call and I respect those decisions.


by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:07:33 AM EST
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I've always been a fan... (none / 0)

Honestly I've always been a fan of this site more so than Dailykos because of the sheer depth of coverage that cuts out the details for only the meat of the matter. You guys are professional and don't really go into insane depth as to why something like Walter Reed was messed up... just how we can use it to get our guys elected. It's the straight dope on this end. I never really noticed that until that post awhile back where either you or Matt started to compare yourself in the light that dailykos has a community but you guys air towards the professional side of things but I remember reading this site every day without fail and skipping days every so often on kos without even really realizing that was why. In other words: Keep up the good work and I can understand.


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:42:37 AM EST

Re: I've always been a fan... (3.00 / 1)

I think that each site serves a valid purpose and is the way it is because of that purpose. As is the case with many other sites that have their own unique purpose, format and style. E.g. Digby, Greenwald, TPM.

To use an expression that I normally despise--it's all good.


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:27:06 AM EST
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Re: I've always been a fan... (none / 0)

Yup.  If MyDD was DailyKos-lite, why would anyone read it?  This is "Advanced Electoral-Mechanics," not "partisan outrage of the week."


by scientician on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:56:47 AM EST
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Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

1. l337.

=)

though an rss feed would be lovely, i can live without it =)


by Mephistopheles on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:48:32 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

if you google mydd RSS there is one but it is either unoffically made or not linked to on this site


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:26:25 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

Really? I've had this one for ages in my RSS reader, and I'm certain I got it off the MyDD front page.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/mydd


by scvmws on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:32:32 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

hmmm. not working for me; i have my rss in firefox :o


by Mephistopheles on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:39:16 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

personally I use the Wizz RSS plugin. it works for me


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:44:51 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

well, what i am and hope to continue using is putting the feeds in the bookmark toolbars by clicking the dealy at the far right of the address bar.


by Mephistopheles on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:55:49 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

I can't really do anything except tell you wizz has   a few nice features firefox doesn't. Like with the watch list within ten minutes I Always know when this site or dailykos or anything else I want to with an rss updates. If that doesn't sway your decision, I Don't know what's wrong with your firefox.


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:07:40 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

There's an "RSS dealy" in Safari, which I use -- but I read my RSS feeds in NetNewsWire. The feedburner link just redirects to my RSS reader, so you might try manually adding that address into whatever you're using as a reader.


by scvmws on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:17:05 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is (none / 0)

Another feed:

http://www.mydd.com/index.rdf

This one has worked for me for years.


by ThomasAllen on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:56:42 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

I admit I would have supported an independent and maybe even a Republican against William Jefferson.  Because I know in two years a different Democrat would have won that district.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:57:47 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (3.00 / 1)

It's interesting how many times I've read this exact post on so many other sites. Hell, I've even written it myself.

There's an expectation that "freedom of speech" means "freedom to demand that someone else's forum that they created with their own resources must cater to my every whim". Or that moderation is equal to censorship, and deleting posts is worse than bludgeoning a baby bunny.


by s5 on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:37:06 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

bludgeoning a baby bunny

Clubbing baby harp seals is more fun.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 08:40:29 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

I have painted all my extraneous comments with a green cross in the hopes they will escape clubbing.

Chris, I am surprised there has been so little surprise at the reminder of these marching orders.  I have all the faith in the world in your intent, and no wish at all to change the dinner party to which you were kind enough to invite us, but I'm wondering if your delivery might benefit from being a little softer.  

More seal: less club.


by Shrink in SF on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:48:57 AM EST
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Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

as to number 1... Jerome and Markos coauthor a book so therefore...? the rules are all the same even though all the post are unique? "...But at dailykos...!"? I mean comparing the purposes of the two sites and their strengths and weaknesses is one thing but they just aren't the same thing. and if you have to say that the comparisons have gotten excessive & obsessive. and as for using kos's rules as justification. I PREFER your site.


by fireinthedawn on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:49:12 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Chris,

What's the policy on civility--i.e. treating people with whom you disagree, however strongly, with some measure of respect and decency (provided, of course, that they do the same)?

I got attacked here recently by someone who couldn't handle my take on a matter regarding Hillary's latest Iraq policy, or my trying to tell them that their extremely long and (I thought) off-topic comment was an inconsiderate and off-topic form of diary hijacking. It wasn't so much that they took issue with me--I can handle criticism--as how they did it, in typically trollish manner.

E.g. calling me names, comparing me to a part of the male anatomy, accusing me of being a stealth Hillary shill (I am not, and how typical) or even Repub, etc. Basically the usual adolescent nonsense from someone with an axe to grind who is less interested in discussion than in pontification.

I sent the author of the diary (Matt) an email alerting him of this person's behavior, and ranked each of these comments (but only these comments) with a 0.

Is any of this behavior acceptable, or am I right in considering and treating it as trollish, as per THIS site's policies and rules (I spend more time on DailyKos than here, and I have a pretty good idea of what its troll policies are, but not so much this site's). In my opinion, this should be absolutely unacceptable behavior, for all sorts of reasons. Just wanted to get your take on it.

(And yes, I do recall my little tiff with you a while back when I wrote something I shouldn't have written, for which I think I apologized, but I don't think it even began to approach this person's level of sheer offensiveness.)

Thanks.


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:16:05 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Kovei, It cam be upsetting and throw people in general off topic when a person doesn't agree with you and calls you names, ect.
I do agree that having robust discussions are important and civility is important as well.
I don't agree with your candidate on many things but, I think people should not be nasty to you personally because you support someone other than another person's candidate.  People have the right to support who they want.
And we should respect each other and try to show a little class when debating or posting.
by vwcat on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:58:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

And who prey tell is "my" candidate?


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:31:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Just can't admit it (2.33 / 3)

Pursuant to point number 5.

Just admit it.

You're not about Progressives and Democrats.  You're about Progressives and CERTAIN KINDS of democrats.

If i wanted to be a dick about it, I'd say CERTAIN KINDS OF DEMOCRATS THAT MEET BLOGOSPHERE NETROOTS LITMUS TESTS, but that's up to other people to decide.

I may have been mistaken about mydd.  a certain purpose is suggested above, but it's only to point out what it's not.  Ok.

So what is it?

I know other progressive blogs believe in a war for the soul of the democratic party.

if mydd doesn't subscribe to that kind of pointless rhetoric, i'd like to know that.  often times i'll read an entry here and i'm convinced mydd does subscribe to the intraparty warfare championed on other blogs.

other times i'll notice a different tone.

one good way to make it clear that mydd doesn't subscribe to intraparty soul searching circle jerking warfare is to never lie about what a centrist is trying to do.  yes.  i know centrists lie about what a more left of center person is trying to do, but two wrongs don't make it right.

i'm convinced the blogosphere is locked in a war for consultant money.  there is no other explanation about a group of people who criticize the rear guard of elitism, but can't ask themselves the same hard questions about how elitist they are about their traffic.  about their own petty vendettas.

if that's not true of this blog, that's great.


by Stewieeeee on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:23:10 AM EST

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

What are you talking about? I certainly don't have a clue.


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 06:51:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

I understand what they were saying.  Is MyDD a blog to support and build the Democratic Party, or is it a blog to tear down the Democratic Party with internicene warfare based on "progressive" litmus tests?  Sometimes I wonder.


by Old Yeller on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:04:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

MyDD is whatever its owners want it to be. I respect that. People are certainly free to object to its philosophy and policies, but if that ends up being a broken record then they're probably best off taking their passions and ideas elsewhere, as they're not likely to contribute much of value here. Meta has its purposes but must never take over.


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:09:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (2.00 / 1)

I'm talking about Progressive blogs that claim to want to get Democrats elected, when it's really more about getting a certain kind of Democrat elected, and when it comes to other, more centrist Democrats running to defeat repugs using different strategies (ford in the last cycle is the best and most recent example), the stated charter (getting democrats elected) seems to get lost in the infighting..

i just wish progressive blogs would be more direct about whatever their stated mission is.  it appears that's never discussed.  

lets put it this way.  the diary i'm responding to says what mydd isn't.  ok.  fine.  now that we know what it isn't.  what is it?

don't let an idiot like me supply any guesswork.  but be honest.

would it really hurt if a blog like mydd just came out and finally admitted.  it's about getting CERTAIN DEMOCRATS elected.  and when it comes to other dems, well, they're on their own.

etc.

etc.

etc.

blogs have to do better than just make defensive statements about what they aren't.

they have to define what they are, and they have to honest about it.


by Stewieeeee on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:57:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

Stewie wrote:
"would it really hurt if a blog like mydd just came out and finally admitted.  it's about getting CERTAIN DEMOCRATS elected.  and when it comes to other dems, well, they're on their own."

I don't feel like MYDD has ever made a secret of championing certain kinds of Democrats (progressives) over other kinds of Dems. In fact, given the strident slant to the right of the DLC and other flavors of the Democratic coalition, MYDD provides a great value to the party as it gives hope for voters and activists who might otherwise go to third parties that they should stay within the party and work for change from within.


by johnalive on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:26:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (3.00 / 1)

I think they have stated it. It's a progressive Democratic blog whose goal is to get progressive Democrats elected. What's so complicated or odd about that?

If they wanted to get ANY Democrat elected then they'd leave out the progressive part. If they wanted to get centrist, pro-corporate Democrats elected then they'd say that they were DLC Democrats, nor progressive. But they are progressive, and thus primarily support progressive Democrats.

So I really don't get your point. Neither Ford nor Lieberman are progressive, so they got little (Ford) to no (Joe) support here, as per this site's political philosophy.

Eesh.


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:29:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

Nothings complicated about that.

But that's not what's being stated.  what's being stated is Progressive Blogs are in support of the Dem Party WITHOUT the qualification you and i just agreed upon.  this blog and the dailykos say "Get democrats elected" which isn't exactly honest.  they say don't say "get our democrats elected."  which is more honest.

I suspect the bloggers know that if they admitted what you just admitted, that it's not about the Dem Party, it's about reforming the Dem Party, then they know that would lend obvious credibility that the blogging community is trying to take over the Dem Party.

in the end, though, i don't think it's about the idealism per se.  cause the blogosphere picks centrists.  tester and webb.  who both do not support doing what the blogosphere thinks should be done to end the war:  using the power of the purse.

it's about power and money.  same as it ever way.  same as it ever was.

when the revolution is complete the dem party will be no different than it is today.

different people will be getting the consultant money.


by Stewieeeee on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:11:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (3.00 / 2)

this is a blog that will support any/every Democrat against a Republican after having worked to get the best Democratic candidate possible for the race.  It's really not that complicated.

If you want to argue that the FOCUS is on certain types of Democrats, that's a different issue, and one that's mostly to do with restrictions on time and money than it does with the "litmus test" that you assert.  If the litmus test is simply that they're responsive to their constituents and responsible in their governance, than it seems like not so much of a problem.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:31:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

i don't believe that, difficult to prove either way definitively, but if one were to compare blogosphere support of casey/ford to support of tester/webb one might find a discrepancy.  

here's a good way to put it, from my point of view, anyone who says they're holding their nose and voting dem is not really supporting the dem.   i'd actually suggest that if they have to hold their nose, they really should just stay home and live with republican governance until they finally realize that even the least perfect dem is worth getting excited about.

yes.  it's not just a question of words.  it's a question of enthusiasm.


by Stewieeeee on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:47:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

You're practicing selective examples here.

Do you forget MyDD's support of people like the two Sen Nelsons, neither of whom is progressive?

Or worrying about Landrieu in 2008?  She'll get support here.

It's about the most progressive democrat possible for the given office.  

You're right that this isn't stated in Chris' post, but his post is "What mydd is not" not a definitive account of every thing MyDD is.  The omission does not make for some kind of hidden agenda or unfair bias.


by scientician on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:00:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

Tester and Webb are pretty solid matches to Casey and Ford when it comes to ideology. The difference is the degree to which the former examples are responsive to the people.  Furthermore, Ford and Casey both had millions of dollars, while Webb and Tester were begging for dimes.

The netroots, and MyDD in particular, is focused on the way in which the party and its representatives do business.  When trying to, for example, be competitive in an increasing number of races, it makes sense to focus on those who are getting neglected.

When trying to, for example, hold elected officials accountable, it makes sense to focus on electing officials who will be accountable.

If your complaint is really about airtime, it's misguided. I spent more money last month on my car than I did on food. Not because food is less important to me, but because my car needed to be fixed.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 01:37:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

There really isn't that huge an ideological difference between Tester/Webb and Casey/Ford.  Your choice of examples actually disproves your point--there is a support for the type of campaigns that lend themselves to being helped by internet campaigning, but it's almost patently obvious why MyDD would want to do that.

And honestly, the long term success of the Democratic party is dependent on not allowing the party to ever again be taken over by Daschle Dems.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 01:48:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (none / 0)

Interesting that Ford and Casey are both second-generation politicians; the others are an organic farmer and a novelist.


by joyful alternative on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:58:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

They started it (3.00 / 1)

Sorry to be childish but there was and is a certain cadre of Democratic leadership that openly and often attacked people who wanted to take this party back to its roots.

And to be fair some of us jumped back at them early. I wasn't the only one that cheered when Howard Dean walked on that stage in California and said "I am here to represent the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party".

There is a deep divide between those who want to fight the 50 state strategy and those who want to continue to narrowly focus on swing states. In part the difference is just strategic but there is no doubt it is paralleled by a progressive/centrist struggle, which in turn is aggravated by largely parallel anti-war/pro-war split.

All of this is more overt at dKos than it is at MyDD but part of "political strategy with an overtly progressive viewpoint." is the 'progressive'piece. DLC centrists don't meet any traditional definition of 'progressive'.

Call this an admission if you like. Pulling this party back to its traditional pro-worker stance is going to alienate people like Joe Lieberman who cater to his states insurance companies. Do I want Joe to jump? Of course not. Do I want Blue Dogs to bolt for the door? Nope, we need them. Is it some sort of damn tragedy and breakdown of civility if we back a more progressive alternative in a primary? Well hell no.

Certain people are simply mystified that progressives don't endorse catering to the center. Well facilitation is what brought us this war and this President. Twice.

"Nobody will vote for an angry man". Perhaps the most pathetic political talking point every deployed. Why not? If you weren't angry then you were not paying attention.


by Bruce Webb on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:17:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Maybe (none / 0)

you should read MLW instead.


by taylormattd on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:48:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Maybe (none / 0)

MLW is less supportive of democrats than mydd.

but they are right to point at other blogs and bring up the question of elitism.

the defensiveness surrounding that question is just a nascent form of the defensiveness we see now matured in the DLC.


by Stewieeeee on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:14:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just can't admit it (3.00 / 1)

Your rant is kind of incoherent, but I think you're referring to primary challenges.

As far as primary challenges go, I don't see the problem with them.  We agree beforehand to support the winner of the primary (I think if you ask people here if they would vote for Lieberman had he won the Democratic primary, they would say yes).  That being said, there are certainly Democrats we'd like to see replaced, and in those cases a primary challenge may definitely be warranted.

If you're going to make accusations that MyDD only supports "certain kinds of Democrats," please point out an instance where MyDD has endorsed a non-Democrat (except Bernie Sanders, who the Democratic Party did not run a candidate against, and in fact even endorsed).


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:59:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Request (none / 0)

Please, delete my account. I am not a Democrat and have no intention to become one. As i said many times - i want to remain Independent. And, yes, i DO support Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, when i see that suitable, and intend to continue this in the future. So, what for do i need an account here? I can read, what's interesting to ME, and i don't intend to write here anymore...


by smmsmm on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:25:12 AM EST

Re: Request (none / 0)

I may be wrong, but what I think that he meant was that this was a place for discussing topics relevant to Democratic and progressive politics, but was open to people of any or no political pursuasion--including Republicans and conservatives--so long as they restrict the topics of discussion to ones that had to do with Democratic and progressive politics, and participated here in an honest and respectful manner, and did not try to disrupt, deceive or promote non-Democratic or progressive ideas.

E.g. even if you're a diehard Brownback supporter, if you have an interesting, relevant and useful comment to make about Obama vs. Clinton that remains within the Democratic and progressive arena, you're welcome to make it.

Of course, why one would want to do this if one was not a Democrat or progressive is beyond me.

If I'm wrong, though, I stand implicitely corrected.


by kovie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:41:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Request (none / 0)

I am not a Democrat, athough I generally hold a lot of progressive values, especially on the more important issues in today's landscape.  I come here to get information on this political view, and if I have a comment that is relevant for this site, I make it.  If there's something that I disagree with where my views fall outside the mission for this site, I will just pass on making a comment.

I use redstate.com to get information on the other side (since there are some issues that I lean more conservative).  I can't post there though because they deleted my account after one post, which was completely respectful but I guess not 100% in lock step with their mission.  If anyone thinks Chris is being intolerant here, the other side has much, much more draconian controls over their content, to the point where the comments there are pretty much limited to cheerleading.  At least reasonable respectful discussion is allowed here as long as a couple basic tenets are not violated.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:39:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

breaking blue (none / 0)

I asked this before, but since Breaking Blue has been brought up again -- does Breaking Blue have a feed?


Check out my blog, Capital Viewpoint
by whogotthegravy on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:15:27 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

I don't see why anyone who is a republican - in the conservative mold, would want to come on here.
Or, for that matter, someone who is not interested in democratic politics.

by vwcat on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:53:14 AM EST

Pros (3.00 / 1)

This blog provides very valuable analytical information about races and districts. If you're a professional of either party, you would find it valuable.  This is one of the interesting elements of this endeavor.  There's material posted here that would generally not be released publicly by a campaign or by the dem organization that commissioned the poll.

If I were a republican strategist, I'd definitely check in here.  Just as if I were part of the Libby defense team, I'd have had somebody reading FDL's coverage of the trial.  If I were a republican strategist doing so, I wouldn't post a diary or comment--there's no point. But I would certainly be lurking.


by jayackroyd on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 08:15:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Good problems to have (none / 0)

Dammit Chris--I'm sure anyone who writes for a blog that gets 30,000-plus hits a day is completely inured to critical responses, but how are you with unrestrained praise? I think you and Matt are high value progressive thinkers, agitators and polemicists. The fact that you have to write a post like this on a blog with a mission like this shows the broad appeal of progressive ideas, and a rising hunger for progressive success. These are good problems to have.

What I don't like about this post is that you are placing yourself outside the mainstream. A lot of what you guys say and do needs to be expressed to a general population that seems to be ready to hear it. That's why I'm going to keep encouraging both you and Matt to take what you write here and communicate it in general population venues, such as radio essays on NPR, C-SPAN, Huffpo, etc.
Appearing in such venues is going to attract more people t0 this site who are low-information, curious, raving street people with a modem, etc., so you are going to either have to keep your profile low (no please!) or repost this message from time to time and resolve that you are going to have a little extra working banning trolls and chasing away the clueless.

PS--Jonathan and Jerome are way cool too, but you and Matt hit the high notes of progressive thought like nobody else.


by johnalive on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 08:49:05 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Great clarification.   this is exactly what progressives need to do: be clear on our objectives, take a stand and not allow ourselves or our goals to be defined by Republicans.


slamn
by sallyLA on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 08:51:18 AM EST

I love #7 (none / 0)

God, I can't stand those wingbat blow hards.  A group of 8 of them were at the 'out of iraq' rally in Rochester yesterday passing out dvds. One person was in a SUV that had a icon engraved banner sign saying something to the words 'Demand the truth on 9/11'.


by optimusprime on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:12:35 AM EST

Thanks- Good boundaries (none / 0)

Thanks for posting the boundaries for this blog. I think it is a respected blog because it does maintain good boundaries and a clear sense of its mission and respect for participants who attend to that mission.


by cmpnwtr on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:43:54 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Excellent statement of mission and rules, Chris. It's good for everyone to be reminded of these things from time to time. Having a clear and defined concept for a blog = attracting the focused audience you seek and need.

Robert Frost said "Good fences make good neighbors" and at MyDD good rules make good posts and good discussion threads.


by billybob on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:48:01 AM EST

well said (3.00 / 0)


by Alice Marshall on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:58:10 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)


Congrats for starting this thread since it's much-needed and to be said in a thoughtful manner.

Two points that I want to address are a) a community of special interest, and b) advertising.

For those like myself who have existed on the Internet for these many years, Mydd is an important stop for understanding the latest in political process, nationally, and thus, my short visits on occasion.  And as to advertsing, generating revenue streams of various sorts, is not only necessary but imperative for institutional success.  Of course, I must say that I am a cad in that I am not overly supportive financially speaking, but I do have an excuse.  So think kindly of me.

I am the primary writer for the Catcus Juice Commentaries at the Chicano Veterans Organization, and I am a kindred spirit when it comes to expressing oneself as best as one can.

And in keeping with my two points above, we advocate our community of self-interest with respect to our usual perspective, the Privates, the Corporals, and the Sergeants.  And thus, our financial resources move in that direction.  Further, our political perspective is one for being self-identified as "aggressive" Moderates, and yet, we are in concert with the Progressive perspective 95% of the time on all the important issues/concerns facing us as a nation.  Perhaps, getting distracted with the remaining 5%, is not our forte either, since there is much too accomplish when it comes to moving America into a more focused effort and away from the "confused" Conservative or the "unprincipled" Conservative view that signifies this egregious behavior by the Right.

In any event, I wanted to weigh-in with my two cents, given that I am an big aficionado of Mydd, and will continue to do so.  And no, this has not been a an ad "plug" for the CVO, but just an acknowledgement that there are folks out here in the Sonoran Desert, who do sincerely appreciate all the hard work that goes into keeping the front page interesting and the availability of the diaries ever-presen, to "educate and to inform" above all else, despire our never-ending distractions.  In any case, as a source of thoughtfulness, I would easily give Mydd, "five stars" on the worst of days.

Jaango


by Jaango on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:05:47 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)


My apologies for the above typos, since I did not proof read.  My bad!

Jaango


by Jaango on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:09:20 AM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Chris,

If you haven't already, please post this in the site FAQ and strongly recommend that everyone read it before signing up. I wish I could have. Lesson learned.

I come to MyDD to get the kind of inside info I could not get anywhere short of a major DFA or DNC strategy session. Thank yous to you and your staff for maintaining the quality of MyDD.


by Spiffarino on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:07:13 AM EST

I echo this.... (none / 0)

Thanks for stating, clearly and forcefully, what this site is about.  It's turned me into an even greater political junkie than I already was, and that's only to my benefit.

Thanks for all the interesting and provocative posts, and information snippets (Breaking Blue).


by CTvoter on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:07:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

Thanks Chris.  I have noted this place has a lot more aggressive contrarians who routinely spew talking points or angry purist screeds, and wondered if that was tolerated here.

I'll be happy to dole out more 0's if that is conducive.  Is there an auto-ban feature here for people troll rated sufficiently?


by scientician on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:03:48 PM EST

Its your blog (3.00 / 1)

You can cry if you want to, cry if you want to ...

Nicely said. As mentioned up-thread, if I wanted the noisy cafeteria of a DK, I'd go there. But MyDD caters to that breed of political junkie that craves constant information and update. I never thought of the 50-state strategy as relevant, until I found this place. Who'd ever have thunk about ponying up PAC cash to help those in need in the time of elections? Certainly no one else ever said anything about it.

And the jumps to other stuff I've made from items cited here - how many times I've been asked, "WHERE do you FIND this stuff?" FEC stuff, donor lists, data and analysis about trends, patterns, history - it's like unwrapping birthday gifts.

Don't you guys change a thing. Let the bashers, trolls and naysayers start their own damned blogs.

-GFO


by GuyFromOhio on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:53:17 PM EST

another thing it is... and not (3.00 / 1)

The proprietor makes the point that mydd is unapologetically Democratic with a capital, not a small d and the point is well taken.

As a black guy, and not the first, I do note that both mydd is unapologetically white too.  By that I mean, that this does not seem to be a place where one can discuss issues that whites think of as "black" issues, like say the nation's ubiquitous policies of racially selective mass imprisonment.  One can raise such issues, but from my limited past observation there seems to be not much interest in discussing them in this community.  Likewise the racially skewed resettlement of New Orleans, persistent health, wealth, employment and other evident racial gaps or a number of other topics are seldom if ever discussed here.  

I do hope that this is not seen as trolling or bashing or some other negative stuff --- blacks raising the subject of race without the OK of non-blacks are oft seen as "impolite", or worse -- but it does rankle in that although blacks get the worst of a lot of stuff, these are American problems and will be neither addressed nor solved until some folks OTHER than us take an interest.  So what does it take?  

And if self-identified capital "d" Democratic activists are not interested in these subjects, what does that say about the relationship between the party, and what you are used to calling its "netroots"which expects and needs nearly unanimous black support to win, and black people?  I submit that mydd and dKos are much like the Democratic party in that they imagine the range of their dialog, which pointedly excludes us, is entirely representative of the grassroots of the party.  I can assure you it is not.  Despite the thin layer of professional black politicians, the party seems to acknowledge us as infrequently as they can, and so does the dialog on mydd.

Is that a dysfunctional relationship or what?  And is there any interest in remedying it inside the Democratic party?  Can it be remedied?


"If you want that good feeling that comes from helping other people, you got to pay for it in abuse and misunderstanding" Zora Neale Hurston
by zumbi50 on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 01:23:56 PM EST

Re: another thing it is... and not (3.00 / 2)

I do not mean this as a criticism of your comment, just as a suggestion.

Perhaps if you wrote diaries that tie-in the issues you spoke of with the issues on which this blog tries to focus.

For instance you mention racial disparity in re-settlement of New Orleans, a diary could tie this subject into the race for N.O. Mayor, City Councilman, Louisisana Governor, or various Senate and House races.

Which candidate supports your view of resettlement? Which candidate (of either party) is dead set against that?

If you don't want to write about candidacies, how about a diary that explains the difficulty in registering people to vote, or a diary that notes/tracks the development of grassroots or netroot groups that focus on the issues you find important, and how they could connect with what people are doing here.

You are correct that this is a dysfunctional relationship, but there is a dysfunctional relationship between the netroots and the more hidebound beltway democrats as well.

There is a definite interest in remedying it, if not with the Democratic Party as a whole, at least w/in the still nascent netroots movement.

How about you, do you see any similar goals between the lefty bloggers and black americans?

Can these be utilised to draw the netroots and the black community closer together?


by justathought on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 02:52:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: another thing it is... and not (none / 0)

I second that. Issues of race, religious freedom and economic class are at the heart of the Democratic movement, or at least should be.

Why be Democrats if we can't address basic civil and human rights? On a strategic level it's also where we contrast ourselves with Republicans who more and more use race as a political tool.


by Spiffarino on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:15:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (3.00 / 1)

The diary thing is a thought.  But I have an existing workload at my site, www.blackagendareport.com, a book in progress and other projects -- a couple of them income-producing -- on the side.  I am unsure I can commit to a diary at this time.

Hillary and Barack have done drive-by mentions of the issue.  But an absolute majority of NOLA's citiznes, and an even higher number of its black citizns, who were 60-70% of the total, were renters.  I have yet to hear of either introducing and championing any measures that would give some rights of return to renters, or guarantee the constuction or opening of affordable rental housing, or create jobs or schools or health care infrastructure for them.  John Edwards mentions it more often, but Hillary and Barack are IN OFFICE where they could have introduced measures and have not.

I understand that there is a measure in the House about the right to return, and keeping HUD from demolishing the existing public housing, which by most accounts was only slightly damaged.  Common Ground and the Peoples Hurricane Relief Fund are doing great work that ought to bring the contradiction into sharp relief between what the government is doing and what it is --- but with no news media coverage it goes unnoticed.


"If you want that good feeling that comes from helping other people, you got to pay for it in abuse and misunderstanding" Zora Neale Hurston
by zumbi50 on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 03:52:59 PM EST

Re: Things MyDD Is Not (none / 0)

www.blackagendareport.com

thanks for the tip, outreach has to come from different sides at once.

The Blogger Scout Prime over at http://www.first-draft.com/ has done some good work on NOLA issues.

I've been reading her posts on NOLA since the blog readers got together enough money to send her there.


by justathought on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:40:23 PM EST
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This morning, Washington Journal on C-SPAN had a reporter from, of all places, the Wall Street Journal who was really into New Orleans and how nobody lives there now but rich people, how the feds haven't passed on the money allocated, how funding is set up as reimbursement so people who don't have the up-front money to do repair (which is most people) can't even get started, etc. I believe he said most public housing had unwisely been torn down.

It was pleasing to hear a WSJ guy sound like us.


by joyful alternative on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:14:01 PM EST
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I've been visiting this site fairly frequently, long before I bothered to finally register so I could comment. As such, I do enjoy many of the wonkier aspects of it, junkie that I am, even if some of the more detailed parts fly over my head from time to time.

Slanting much more toward the lurker than active contributor side of the aisle, I hope this doesn't come across as uninformed or ignorant. Most of these I find to be non-issues (like #s 7 and 8), but a few are a little more troubling.

1) MyDD is not DailyKos. I dont know what it is, but I never particularly became enamored with DKos, though I will check it every now and again. Giving more than a passing mention or crossposting stuff that goes on over there threatens to make this DKos' little brother, and I don't particularly relish that idea.

2) MyDD is not an open, community discussion forum. I find that a little disheartening, if in fact it is meant to silence more than just the ubiquitous trolls. If someone wants to (intelligently) debate with you or anyone else the merits of the 50-state strategy, or whether the DLC and the DC establishment should run the party, I don't see why that should be suppressed. Knowing how the right wing blogs stifle any sort of debate should prod us to be more accepting, especially when we're trying to distance ourselves from the odious methods of discourse espoused by the Republican Noise Machine. I know it's very difficult to combat their horse crap when trolling here at the same time pushing a progressive agenda. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution either.

3) MyDD is not a general topic, current events blog. Aside from amusing little distractions like a facebook group or basketball pool, what person comes to MyDD looking for fluff articles or celebrity gossip (aside from Britney's new hairdo, Brangelina's latest adoption, or the latest Anna Nicole Smith tidbit, of course).

4) MyDD is not a place where we talk to low information voters, or to swing voters. I wouldn't expect otherwise, instead, what I would hope to find is information on how someone like myself, a rather progressive individual can go to my centrist/moderate/independent/largely uninformed friends and convince them that real Democratic politics are in their best interest. How, pray tell, do we convince Reagan Democrats, working class people, etc that we're not going to take their daughters and force abortions on them nor are we converting their sons to homosexuality, but instead going to provide them with better education, comprehensive health care, a cleaner environment, and a working wage?

5) MyDD is not Crossfire. I certainly wouldn't want anything resembling that mainstream media garbage, but instead, as with #4, I'd better like to understand the Republican arguments, just so I can better refute them. For instance, loathing economics as I do, I feel ill equipped to debate on the issues of the minimum wage, progressive taxation, the estate tax, etc without sometimes resorting to "because it's the right thing to do." Raising the minimum wage will bankrupt small business; the richest 1% really deserve to keep it all, etc.

6) MyDD is not a media entity where non-Democratic candidates are endorsed, even in the diaries and comments. If this is primarily focused on independents, moderates, and centrists who regurgitate GOP talking points, I can certainly understand. My problem, however, would lie in terms of situations like the oft-mentioned Bernie Sanders. Also, if Lieberman had won the Democratic primary and Lamont had run as an independent (however unlikely), it would've been compulsory for this site, according to this policy, then to endorse Joe. Now, personally, I could not stomach such an act, and likely would have donated to Lamont regardless. Would I, by such an admission or mention on this site be chastised or banned?

I am a registered Democrat and have been since I turned 18 in time for the 2000 election. I regularly vote in both general elections and primaries. Now what happens when a candidate I don't believe to be true to the Democratic Party wins? Such an occurrence happened just this November when Hillary stomped on both her primary and general opposition. It also happened in 2004 with Kerry. By the time the 04 presidential primary came to NY, Dean had already conceded. I have no intention of bolting the Democratic party in the near future, but I didn't vote for Kerry or Clinton, instead voting Green. Frankly, since I have the luxury of living in NY, I didn't feel doing so was of any consequence. Does that make me a traitor, simply because I didn't vote party line? Should we really want someone who votes blanket Democrat just because? Would we not view a registered Republican with similar disdain for not being able to break free of their own closed mindset?

There was a time (albeit many years ago) when I would've supported John McCain over a less than glamorous Democratic candidate (pre-2000 Gore, Hillary). I respected him for his integrity and for his work on campaign finance reform and attacks on pork barrel politics. Sadly, his behavior over the last 4 years has pretty much destroyed that. My despair can best be encapsulated by Jon Stewart's sad face when asking McCain on the Daily Show whether he was "going to crazy base land." Things I read on mainstream news sites about his rapprochement with the likes of Jerry Falwell and various other things I read on MyDD, have pretty much torpedoed any residual admiration I once had for the man. Does entertaining such thoughts or even expressing them make me a persona non-grata here?

I am an unabashed Democrat. I support the Democratic Party of FDR, Wellstone, Feingold, and Dean, not of Lieberman, Zell Miller, George Wallace, Hillary Clinton, and the DLC. I never understood why the GOP could have a Senate leader like Trent Lott, from a deeply conservative state like Mississippi, while the last two Democratic Senate leaders have been a South Dakotan who lost his seat and a Mormon from purple Nevada. Why cant we have a more liberal leader like Ted Kennedy from the Democratic bastion of Massachusetts, or perhaps a Feingold (when he accrues enough seniority....)

Just because someone is a Democrat does not mean they are the best candidate for the office. I stay a Democrat because I hope that some day we (the progressives and those unafraid to call themselves liberal) can reclaim the party for what it truly is. I hope that airing my grievances with those who exert undue influence within the party, the Rahm Emmanuels, the Harry Reids, should not be confused with largely supporting the ideas and values for which we once stood and the people like Dean and Feingold who hope to restore it.


by hellenica on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 06:34:22 PM EST

conflict you don't see (none / 0)

there is a conflict here... it is much in the end like you want a progressive board... without pesky progressive sensibilities... and you rely on what to justify that?  "it's not open" and "it's not free" and "it's property"... all true as a matter of fact.

but it's a real problem, your approximation is wrong in kind, not in degree, THESE contradict...

"with an overtly progressive viewpoint" contradict, ... and by the way a fully Democratic viewpoint.

You force equate these two concept through force of will and arrive only at an illusion that they can be united the way you hope.

It is not about purism, I myself am quite conservative, quite libertarian... it's not about progressive purity, but rather fidelity.


by pyrrho on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:07:43 PM EST

A Question Of Strategy (none / 0)

Regarding Chris' point number two:

MyDD is not an open, community discussion forum. This is not a message board, or a bulletin board. This is not a place where anyone is allowed to start, direct, or participate in, discussion. This is not even a place where everyone's posts are equal. This website has specific missions it wishes to accomplish, and as we work to accomplish those missions, we will direct discussion accordingly. You have to register an account to post comments at MyDD, and we reserve the right to close that account if you do not act in accordance with the overall spirit and mission of the site.


I have previously mentioned that there is a serious downside to this approach. We desperately need the low information voters. Overtly snubbing them is guaranteed to have serious negative consequences. If the site gets 30,000 hits a day, well, there sure are not 30,000 posts a day! So there must be a slew of lurkers, and while they probably don't tend to be activists, they probably do vote! If they see a blog that only seeks political insiders, the web equivalent of a smoke-filled back-room, these people will get turned off big-time. And no way can we afford that!

I say there needs to be a little hospitality and tolerance for these voters, a degree of welcoming. These are exactly the people we need on our side! It would not surprise me at all to find those 'points of clarification' dangled in front of the suckers that read the neocon sites, as 'proof' that progressives and Democrats are just a cabal of conniving schemers.


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