Are Our Campaigns Regressing?

This is an interesting interview of Joe Trippi.  I found the following question and answer fascinating.

CBSNews.com: So what do you think the next trail is? Or is it just going down the 2004 trail in a more sophisticated, more experienced way? Or do you think there's an entirely new and different way of doing it for the next cycle?

Joe Trippi: Well the technology's evolving, so that's going to make it different and more powerful. These campaigns have much more powerful tools like Facebook and MySpace and YouTube that we didn't have.

But I think what's interesting to me is the lack of transparency this time for some reason. None of these campaigns are saying how many supporters they have online. I mean, none of them are saying how much money they've raised on the internet.

CBSNews.com: Why is that?

Joe Trippi: It flabbergasts me. It's this really weird thing where the technology's evolving further, but the campaigns are actually regressing. The one thing I thought that everybody or that at least us and Clark and some other campaigns had sort of proven is the power of transparency. I mean of basically people knowing. You know the number of supporters, the amount of money raised --- the sort of a transparency where the supporters of the campaign actually had some incite into what they were helping to build.

And for some reason, none of these campaigns -- they have varying transparency on their website but nothing near I would say even 50 percent of the kind of transparency that you saw even in the Kerry campaign. I mean, that's what I'm saying. We're not talking about the Dean campaign here.

These campaigns have had moments of transparency versus a campaign of transparency. So that interests me, but I view that as almost a step backwards.

I'm not really interested in transforming campaigns for tranforming campaigns' sake.  I do think that a different kind of politics is necessary to change the country the way that it needs to be changed.  And I think that Trippi is right on - there's been a step backwards from 2004.  The various campaigns are playing the insider financial expectations game, only this time there's no Dean in the race and the amount collected from big donors is so much bigger.  I don't know why transparency in campaigns is so important, or even if it is.  I just feel like there's something incredibly small about Bill Clinton whining about the New York Times giving Obama a free pass for his war vote, the Obama campaign shooting back quickly, and all of them tacitly agreeing that gays are kind of icky.



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Just wait, someone better is coming (none / 0)

Go Clark.

Maybe he has been right to wait.  I can't imagine him triangulating away his morals, after being on the cover of The Advocate in 2004.

In addition to his transparency on the internet, in the interest of transparency Clark in the last campaign made his tax records available to journalists.  As I recall, a journalist from the Washington Post did a very careful analysis, and found him "clean."


by catherineD on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 01:26:04 AM EST

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Eh.

It's a lot easier to not triangulate from the sidelines.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 06:03:32 PM EST
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I am not a conspiracy nut, but things seem to be scripted this year.  When things didn't go according to script in 2004, Howard Dean was savaged by the media and his own party.

Obama and Clinton look as if something is planned between them.  I don't know, it's just a feeling.  Obama "playing" the outsider and all, but truly being the penultimate insider (shilling for Lieberman).

Why I like Gore (and Edwards if Gore does not run) is that there an authenticity and a visible desire to actually change the country, unlike in the 90s when Bill Clinton just rided a wave without rocking the boat.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 01:28:42 AM EST

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rided = road.  I not that stupid, haha.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 01:29:35 AM EST
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OBAMA DID NOT FUCKING SHILL FOR LIEBERMAN  HE SUPPORTED HIM DURING THE PRIMARIES BUT NOT IN THE GENERAL.  HE DID STAY AWAY FROM CT IN GENERAL BUT HE ALSO PUBLICALLY ENDORSED LEMONT.  DID HE DO ALL HE COULD DO?  NO, BUT HE ALSO DID NOT DO ALL HE COULD DO TO ELECT LIEBERMAN EITHER.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:46:42 PM EST
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Ouch.  All caps.  You're hurting my ears.

I think we should all shut up about Lamont/Lieberman when talking about the presidential primary.  None of our candidates did much to help Lamont.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:49:26 PM EST
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This just reinforces the growing meme that Obama's internet supporters are kind of extremists.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 05:38:20 PM EST
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I just feel like there's something incredibly small about Bill Clinton whining about the New York Times giving Obama a free pass for his war vote, the Obama campaign shooting back quickly, and all of them tacitly agreeing that gays are kind of icky.

What's this? I haven't heard about it. Am I a complete dolt having missed something big?


by domma on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 01:33:48 AM EST

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I was wondering about that too, but the thing about gay people is unfair.  Yeah, they didn't say it soon enough, but they did eventually say that gay is not immoral.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 01:44:44 AM EST
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Found it:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesm outh/2007/03/obama_quote_tha.php

Yep, Bill is whining.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 05:54:10 AM EST
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Thanks, jallen! I'm torn. The war was and remains a mistake, and one line about not being privy to intelligence is miniscule. However, it is much easier to take certain positions when one is not a serving U.S. senator. Plus, calling out the Times on biased coverage is generally a good thing.


by domma on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 07:23:10 AM EST
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Based on what I have read in the times, I would say they are WAY more pro-HRC than Obama or Edwards.  

You are right about it easier to take certain positions when one isn't a senator... I agree with you because i have made that comment on here when I have seen some Edwards supporters go after Obama for not taking a hardline on some topics like Edwards has in 2008... their criticisms are valid but the fact he isn't a senator does play into some of his new found boldness, IMHO.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:52:30 PM EST
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Given that his last attempt ( i.e. the whole Fox News thing) as campaign hitman came up pretty badly, it's possible that this just won't work for them. It really doesn't mesh well w. his established public persona.
  It's pretty unfair  for her to have someone play the VP-pitbull role from the start, so I can't feel much sympathy.

   


by sb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 09:37:06 AM EST
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Boy Bill's got his head up his ass on that one.  He REALLY wants to play that game... then lets talk about HRC's unflinching support of the war even after MOST EVERYONE knew it was bullshit.  Edwards figured it out WAY faster than HRC did and at least he was willing to admit his mistake.  That is a STUPID fight to pick... HRC will LOSE badly on it.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:49:47 PM EST
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Actually it IS progress. (none / 0)

I disagree with Trippi's assertions.

In 2003-2004, Trippi was proving that online individual donors could raise as much if not more than corporate folks who bundle donations (like Bush's "rangers").  I believe Trippi proved that and has transformed politics as a result.

But, why do campaigns need to show how much they are getting from individuals online.  If you are a nonprofit raising money, you want as much money as you can get from a variety of sources -- small donors, medium donors, and large donors.  Why shouldn't campaigns try to raise from individuals online, individuals at house parties, big donors who bundle, etc.?  Is there something wrong with that?  And, why do they need to be "transparent" and share that publicly?  For what purpose?  

Talking about fundraising would seem to detract from the main messages -- ending the war, fighting global warming, restoring America's reputation overseas, funding education and health care, etc.  Dean's campaign got a lot of coverage for how it was operating and less on the message.  I was a Deaniac, but I think I'm glad that campaigns have moved beyond talking about methods and are now talking about issues.  Dean did talk about the issues at rallies and issued press releases, but that's not what got covered.

Also, I used to cringe sometimes when Trippi would reveal details of Dean campaign strategy.  It was fascinating for me, a political junkie who was following the campaign closely.  But, it couldn't have been smart when the opposition was reading the same blog posts.  Again, Trippi got famous for pioneering methods, but I don't know that it helped his candidate get votes.  Now every campaign can use those same or similar methods, but I think it's odd to ask them to reveal what they are doing.  That just doesn't seem like smart campaign management.

I do want to see candidates behave ethically, I want them to believe in the grassroots and let the grassroots take on important roles, but I don't want them to share information that causes our candidates to lose!


by susan on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 01:49:04 AM EST

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Transparency is good... it lets us know that our candidates aren't being corrupted by PAC money... I would prefer to know where every dollar Obama and Edwards raises is coming from... that is a big promise they need to keep.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:54:29 PM EST
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Real Campaign Finance Reform (none / 0)

The only real way to ensure our freedoms and reduce corruption in Congress is to allow completely open contributions, but force transparency through the Internet.  

We are entering a new phase of reporting.  The mainstream media has lost there investigatory reporting.  With the advent of the Internet it is coming back.  With voting records and contributions posted online we will be placed again in control of our own government.

The current campaign finance reform laws only cloud the whole process by diverting dollars away from actual candidates and toward special interest groups like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth or MoveOn.org.

As far as the first amendment goes I think we should be very careful about limiting it in any way especially when it comes to the selection of our elected officials.    McCain Fingold may not cross the line, I am not sure, but it certainly does not fix the problem and I would prefer to error on leaving our freedom of speech alone.


"There have existed, in every age and every country, two distinct orders of men - the lovers of freedom and the devoted advocates of power"
by Classical Liberal on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:09:11 AM EST

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Completely open?  Wouldn't the GOP be able to easily outspend us?


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:55:15 PM EST
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Well judging by the 527's you have it backwards: http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtes .asp?level=C&cycle=2004


"There have existed, in every age and every country, two distinct orders of men - the lovers of freedom and the devoted advocates of power"
by Classical Liberal on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 03:33:44 AM EST
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This is why primaries are key, without a process to force the dumbass consultants to do better there will be no progress.


by Bob Brigham on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:23:45 AM EST

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icky... flabbergasts. Matt, Joe come on. Is this really about transparency or is it more about your "good old days" on the internet express. If you're trying to keep your eye on the ball, you ain't.


by pservelle on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:43:51 AM EST

First of All (3.00 / 3)

As long as Clinton says "I'm leaving some troops in Iraq" and Obama says "I'm leaving some troops in Iraq," and bloggers are calling Clinton "Stay the Course" and not saying one iota of poop about Obama, and as long as the NY Times reflects that same bias.  Yes.  Obama is getting a free pass.  That is so obvious to anyone not already pledging suicide before Clinton.

The great blogger markos shot off his mouth about hillary's response to the gay question, and then it was only after a bunch of comments showed up pointing out that Obama's response was equally bad, the dude fessed up and said so.

So.  Yes. Obama is getting a free pass.

clinton's and obama's response to the nevada debate fnc issue was the same, and obama had "a lot to consider" and clinton was "showing no signs of leadership."

Yes. Obama is getting free pass.

Now that we have that out of the way, the thing about the internet is it's not supposed to be transparent.  all blogs defend anonymity of their contributors.  we hide behind stupid "handles", and fire off diatribes uysing language we'd never mutter in person.

it was naive of trippi to think the internet would create transparency.  it's actually less transparent than what came before.


by Stewieeeee on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:58:40 AM EST

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Funny,

you're commenting on a blog all of whose front pagers use their own names and most of who never say really inflamatory things.


by Ian Welsh on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:50:44 AM EST
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Commenters (none / 0)

Me.  Anyone.


by Stewieeeee on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:52:31 AM EST
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And the front pagers (none / 0)

use their own names because they want to, not because they have to.

in any other media, you really don't even have that choice.


by Stewieeeee on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 04:02:15 AM EST
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Apparently the national media likes Obama better than Clinton which is one reason that Barack would be a stronger nominee than Hillary.


by Sam I Am on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 08:28:42 AM EST
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Sure (3.00 / 1)

The MSM is always on our side.

Funny how the electability card comes out when we're talking about hillary, but when it came out about dean, ...... oh the humanity.

yes.  the point is, the media is giving obama a pass.  bill clinton is right.


by Stewieeeee on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 11:31:58 AM EST
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Obama's leaving troops and HRC's are drastically different.  Obama is calling for a small number designed to mainly continue training Iraqis, similiar to what we have in other countries.  He is not calling for a permanent base.

Hillary wants a small but significant force there and also seems to support a permanent base.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:02:00 PM EST
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LOL (3.00 / 1)

Obama's troops will stay in a hotel.


by Stewieeeee on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 08:41:57 PM EST
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Re: LOL (none / 0)

That's is quite funny.  


by Kingstongirl on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 09:54:18 PM EST
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top-down vs. bottom-up (none / 0)

I suspect the reason Trippi wants transparency is his believe in the revolutionary power of the "bottom-up" campaign. Which, let's face it, really didn't work all that well in the case of DFA. And that model is clearly being nixed by all the campaigns in this cycle, which I think is really what Trippi is miffed about. It means, among other things, that Trippi is no longer treated as the great guru and prophet of the new age of campaigning.

Personally, I think it's worthwhile to keep searching for a formula that produces an optimal mix of top-down and bottom-up organizing structures. It's a fascinating question really - a key question of democracy.


Damn George Bush! Damn everyone that won't damn George Bush! Damn every one that won't put lights in his window and sit up all night damning George Bush!
by brainwave on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 09:56:01 AM EST

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"None of them are saying how much money they've raised on the internet"? Isn't Edwards taking all of his online contributions through ActBlue, meaning that up-to-the-minute totals are publicly visible?

And the bit about "tacitly agreeing that gays are kind of icky" is ridiculous. I realize that MyDD has become Democrat Bashing Central lately, but try not to let the distortions get out of hand.


DC Drinking LiberallyDC for Democracy

by KCinDC on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 10:13:40 AM EST

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Ok, fine.  Taking three or four statements to say that homosexuality is not immoral while being pressured by interest groups is straight-up honest.


by Matt Stoller on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 10:36:58 AM EST
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Look at the situation though Matt... this wasn't Meet the Press, it was while walking to the car surrounded by advisors, supporters (since he signed autographs) and I am betting multiple reporters shouting questions.  You've seen those mobs before.  And all this after leaving a campaign forum...  Not saying he didn't fuck up (although the story is still a bit suspicious to me... given the answers had nothing to do with the question, nor that Thrush ever printed the EXACT wording of his question, I still think Obama was answering other people), but HE HAS A LONG HISTORY of supporting gay rights and gay equality dating back to the Illinois Legislature.  It really isn't fair to say he thinks Gays are Icky based off of one Fuck Up, especially given his history of support.  If he had said it on Meet the Press or something similiar or in a formal sitdown interview, then I would agree... but in this situation he was in... no way.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:07:19 PM EST
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Exactly. Why put so much credence in one hit piece based on questions shouted on the street? We've seen plenty of examples of erroneous and biased reporting, so can't we give our candidates a little benefit of the doubt before posting ridiculous statements about how they think "gays are icky"? No wonder we end up with idiot Naderites claiming there's no difference between the parties.


DC Drinking LiberallyDC for Democracy

by KCinDC on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 04:33:15 PM EST
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Stop apologizing for Democrats who screw up and start standing up for equal rights.  There is a right and a wrong, and being evasive on 'gays are immoral' is not negotiable in 2007.  It's a no-brainer and both HRC and Obama screwed it up.


by Matt Stoller on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 09:27:42 PM EST
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"None of them are saying how much money they've raised on the internet"? Isn't Edwards taking all of his online contributions through ActBlue, meaning that up-to-the-minute totals are publicly visible?

Edwards started his on-line fundraising on ActBlue but also raises money independently.  The ActBlue total is transparent as you say, now $1126K, but there has also been other on-line fundraising which may be quite significant.  The only clue I have is that the NYT quoted a campaign person as saying they had raised $300K in the first week from a email asking for "Coulter cash" to express disapproval of Coulter's "faggot" remark.  During that week, the ActBlue total went up by only $60K.

Edwards also has a system for establishing individual "grassroots" fundraising pages.  These can be transparent at the individual's discretion but the total raised there is (AFAIK) not transparent.  The campaign is naturally concerned about the press coverage of the public fundraising numbers for everyone that must be reported on 31 March -- they would like to exceed expectations then and thus want to lower expectations now.

The only other candidate raising major money on ActBlue is Richardson, who raised $280K there in the first part of the year, but has raised virtually nothing there for several weeks.

People can draw their own conclusions about Clinton and Obama's statements on gays -- I'm inclined to look more at their eventual unambiguous support and less at their initial hesitation.  What is clear is that Edwards' statements have been clear, forthright, and unambiguously pro-gay (except that he has not supported marriage).  Here's a nice DKos diary contrasting Edwards "straight talk" with McCain's.


by DaveMB on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 12:34:27 PM EST
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Matt,
They are politicians and two of the wordiest politicians at that.  Edwards learned his lesson with that long, wordy and delayed statement about the bloggers and kept it short this time.  Sure they are too cautious, but I don't think that indicates any tacit agreement that gays are icky.
by Kingstongirl on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 12:26:36 PM EST

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I didn't include Edwards in the gay piece.


by Matt Stoller on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 12:48:34 PM EST
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I know. I'm saying that Edwards learned what Hillary and Obama need to learn, which is you can do more with less (less fricking words).  But at heart they are politicians and lawyers, who always seem to want to give the long, careful explanations.  I still don't think it means tacit agreement though.


by Kingstongirl on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:23:22 PM EST
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He WAS asked in a formal interview though... a lot different than Obama's situation.  He gave the right answer and I applaud him, but then he might have fucked up if in a different situation.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:09:37 PM EST
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