Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap?

This week, both Dailykos and MyDD held our monthly straw polls. You can see the results for Dailykos here, and the results for MyDD here. For both websites, it was the first straw poll taken without Clark as an option. It also produced the first widely divergent results between our two websites that I have ever noticed. While both blogs placed Edwards and Obama first and second, on Dailykos, John Edwards won a comfortable victory over Obama, 38%--26%, while on MyDD Obama won a narrow victory over Edwards, 36%--33%. Not only is that a large, fifteen point gap between the two websites, it is entirely possible that Edwards is even more popular than that on Dailykos (he was running at 40% after 10,000 votes) and that Obama is even more popular than that on MyDD (considering the Obama poll stuffing incident). While these polls are not scientifically random samples of the readership of the two blogs, I don't think the differences between them can be entirely dismissed on those grounds. Something more fundamental is causing this growing divergence.

In search of an answer, I went looking through the archives of the popular diary series "Demographic Tuesdays" on Dailykos, and through the results of the recent demographic survey of MyDD readers. In most categories, there was broad similarity: education level, income, religion, race / ethnicity, and GLBT as a percentage of the readership. There were only two areas where there was noticeable divergence. First, the readership of MyDD is much younger than that of Dailykos--almost twice as many MyDD readers are under the age of 30 than at Dailykos (30% to 15%), and the median age difference is at least eight years. Second, Dailykos has a much higher percentage of women readers than does MyDD. The Demographic Tuesday poll on the subject indicated a gap of 33%--22%, but previous polls I have seen on both sites suggest the gap is significantly larger than that.

The reason for this difference is probably one of voice. The best research I have ever seen on the subject (non-public research, unfortunately), suggests that even in the supposedly identity-blind world of the Internet, people gravitate toward content produced by those with whom they share cultural and demographic similarity. Looking at the three writers who produce about 95% of the front-page content on MyDD, Matt, Jonathan and myself, we are all dudes and have an average age of just under 29. Looking at the writers of Dailykos, there are six women among the sixteen regular contributors. Further, I am younger than twelve of them, Matt is younger than fifteen of them, and Jonathan is younger than all of them. Dailykos has both an older and a more female group of writers, which I believe is the main reason why they have an older and more female audience. That Dailykos has an older audience, I believe, why Edwards does better on Dailykos, and why Obama does better on MyDD.

Age and gender are both clear factors in 2008 candidate preferences among the Democratic electorate nationwide, so why shouldn't they also be factors within the blogosphere? Consider, for example, that the most comprehensive crosstabs of the Democratic primary electorate to date were published last month by Pew. According to those crosstabs, Obama did vastly better among younger Democrats than he did among older Democrats, while for Edwards the situation was reversed. It is not just Pew, either. Virtually every polls has shown Obama performing particularly strong among younger voters, wile Edwards does better among older voters. I can't prove it definitively, but I think the age gap between MyDD and Dailykos is one of the main causes, if not the main cause, behind the different preferences for Edwards and Obama in straw polls on the two sites. (There may also be a gendered element in the Dailykos preference for Edwards, possibly stemming from many feminist bloggers liking Edwards, although I do not really have any evidence to back that up at this time).

This may have already been obvious, considering Obama's ridiculous success on a generally younger site like Facebook. What was perhaps less obvious, and also only interesting in a meta sense, is that MyDD has a younger readership than Dailykos. Who knew? In discussions in the comments at Dailykos, the most common criticism I read of MyDD is how we are just too damn serious all of the time. Who would have thought that we young guys would also be more "serious." Then again, that might have more to do with the focus of MyDD than anything else, since we are geared toward political professionals, and Dailykos draws on people with a much wider range of backgrounds. People who make a living in politics tend to be on the younger side of things, as it is probably best to get out of this business before it beats you down too badly.

It is funny, in a Phillp-Frye-is-his-own-grandfather sort of way, that the "blogfather" has now somehow become younger than its offspring. It is even stranger when you consider that I got my start writing diaries on Dailykos, and then made the move to the older blog where Markos started writing. Ugh. It is probably because I should be asleep, but I'm getting a headache even thinking about that.



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As I've said before, (none / 0)

If either HRC or Obama appear on the ballot, I am going to be a no show at polls. And, I can barely tolerate Edwards - though, he has shown some maturity lately.

Can we not get, or do we not deserve anything better than HRC/Obama/Edwards?.

I, and my friends have long agonized over why Mark Warner/ Al Gore/ Wilsack are not running.


by saguaro on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 06:01:01 AM EST

OT: MyDD NCAA Brackets (none / 0)

How about a quick thread to talk about the MyDD brackets at ESPN?

There are 17 MyDD players tied for first after the first sixteen games with a record of 14-2 each.  Big separation possible tonight as a number of leaders have picked a minor upset: Nova over Kentucky and a few have picked a major upset of Texas A&M over Wisconsin.


by Arthurkc on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:07:30 AM EST
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Re: OT: MyDD NCAA Brackets (none / 0)

There's a message board on the Challenge page. I put up a comment. The "help" buttons are not much help over there.


by Books Alive on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:46:02 AM EST
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You're in the minority on this (3.00 / 1)

All of my friends are pretty excited about our choices.  Maybe it's because they're mostly either minority, gay or female.

While none of the candidates are perfect, they each offer something that excites us.  More importantly, they each are much better than the current administration.

If you want someone to be "perfect" in your eyes, you may have to run yourself.


by exLogCabin on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:09:39 AM EST
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Re: As I've said before, (3.00 / 3)

Yeah that's a great attitude to have...

If you don't go out of your way to support the  Dem candidate, even if you don't like them... that's fine.  

If you want to vote third party, ok I can live with that.  

If you want to vote... republican (shudder) well that sucks but its your right...

But to choose not to vote at all is unforgivable to me.  

If you are a Dem, even if you don't like the noms, you should vote for them or perhaps a liberal 3rd party candidate (although after 2000, I'm not too happy about that too... damn Nader).  You don't need to compaign for them but one could argue if more Dems came out in 2000 or 2004, we would either not be in Iraq or be out of there.

In other words, many people died to give you the right to vote.  Don't dishonor them by not doing it.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:52:08 AM EST
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Let me get this straight... (none / 0)

No show at the polls. So you are saying that neither of them is even slightly better then any of the neo-cons running? I would have to disagree!

By the way... Don't discount Wes Clark.

As I said in another comment...

"Please.. don't give me the meme about it being to late. I thought that at one point but now it is looking like it may be to early. The others are beating up on each other and the press is going along with it. They are being damaged."


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by kevin22262 on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:52:31 AM EST
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Richardson (none / 0)

Bill Richardson is the Dem candidate for today, just nobody else seems to know it.

He's got great experience, having run a Department, been in the UN, been a diplomat, been a governor and a whole buncha other stuff.

He's from the southwest.

He's smart and pretty laid-back.

Hispanic, at least 50%.

I really like this guy.


by dataguy on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 01:43:22 PM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 1)

I have nothing to back this up other than anecdotal evidence:

I'm young (22), and although I read both websites, I follow MyDD far more closely than DKos.  MyDD is sort of like a "blogtank," where new ideas are formed and explained.  Although MyDD may be more in-depth or "serious" than Daily Kos, it also covers the basics of politics more thoroughly.

To me, the Daily Kos front page is styled more like an editorial section of a newspaper than something that offers new ideas or analysis.  Daily Kos resonates with its audience because there are pre-existing principles that everyone already agrees upon.

So, MyDD readers may be younger because they are more interested in incorporating new ideas to their worldview, or they may skew younger simply because MyDD spends more time focusing on the "basics."


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by whogotthegravy on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 06:12:17 AM EST

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 1)

Clarification: I'm not saying that I think that MyDD is better than Daily Kos, but rather that MyDD caters to my personal tastes more.


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by whogotthegravy on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:06:59 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

I agree with that... I'm 29 and feel the exact same way... I like MyDD better because it fits to my personal tastes of style.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:53:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I lurk and babble (none / 0)

on both sites, but for me Kos is all about the diaires, writing them and rec'ing them; I barely ever even read the frontpage posts, not often to know the tastes and tendencies of the posters. As such Kos is a little more interactive and, of course, the audience is bigger. I wouldn't waste of my pearls of wisdom on a My DD diary, cause who the hell reads them? So, here, finally is my point: I think the pro-Edwards sentiment over at Kos has something to do with the pro-Edwards diaries that pop up over there. As far as I can tell, there almost never are pro-Obama diaries over there, in part because he hasn't done much that warrants an exclamation mark in the eyes of progressives.


by david mizner on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:36:04 PM EST
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Re: I lurk and babble (none / 0)

Nice shot there Dave.  You'd have been better off to say he hasn't done much that warrants an exclamation mark in the eyes of some progressives.  Not all progressives feel the way you do about Obama... many like him quite a bit.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 01:33:22 PM EST
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No, I don't (none / 0)

doubt that he has support among progs; I just don't know why.

So here's a simple question: what bold thing has he done since entering office?


by david mizner on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 02:06:13 PM EST
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Premise of the question is stupid (none / 0)

What should he need to have done "bold things" for?

He excites people and has a liberal voting record. That's more than enough for me.


by andgarden on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 02:43:42 PM EST
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Okay (none / 0)

But only boldness is going to alter an unaccetable status quo, but hey, if to each her own: if being liberal and exciting is enough for you, that's grand.


by david mizner on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 04:16:32 PM EST
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Re: Okay (none / 0)

I'm sorry... I was trying to figure out the bold bills John Edwards passed while a senator... or Hillary Clinton?  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 05:07:32 PM EST
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Should I take that answer (none / 0)

to mean that you could't come up with a single bold thing Obama's done in the last two years?

Cause Edwards was a senator a long time ago, and he's gotten a lot bolder and more progressive since then. And when he was a senator, from a conservative state, he opposed the flagburning amendment, one of only two redstate senators to do so. Opposing a bill that's wildly popular to your constituents and considered to be patriotic, that's pretty much he definition of bold.


by david mizner on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 06:34:41 PM EST
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The big lie (none / 0)

"Edwards was a senator a long time ago"

Please, he was a Senator until 2005, and his voting record doesn't comport with the image he's now trying to cast of himself. I like Edwards plenty, but to ignore his tenure in the Senate would be absurd.


by andgarden on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 06:45:24 PM EST
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Who ignored it? (none / 0)

I just discussed his tenure, and yeah, he's moving left-is that a bad thing?


by david mizner on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 07:12:44 PM EST
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And isn't it telling (none / 0)

that I ask a simple question, name one bold thing that Obama has done, and his supporters can't answer it. No one his support in the netroots has leveled off.


by david mizner on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 07:13:48 PM EST
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Re: Who ignored it? (none / 0)

You "discussed his tenure" by dismissing it out of hand. He's moving his rhetoric left; the voting record tells a different story.

Oh, and if you knew anything about Senate precedent, you'd understand that Senators are generally expected to be "seen and not heard" in the first session they attend. Even Senator Clinton acted accordingly.


by andgarden on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:29:02 PM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (2.33 / 3)

I agree - many readers of daily kos diaries tend to be more narcissistic, flippant, knee-jerkish and less well-informed than those that frequent MyDD. It's understandable why Edwards' smooth, breck-girl good looks carries more appeal on daily kos than Obama's generally charismatic, though academically serious, persona on MyDD. Moreover, comments posted on daily kos reveal a paucity of knowledge of where Obama stands on most issues...


by mobiusein on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:28:36 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

That is so insulting.  Age is no excuse.  Most MyDD Obama supporters refrain from personal attacks.  You should follow your (probably younger) cohorts who argue ideas, not crap like that.  

Comments like that drive people away from Obama.  Please don't support John Edwards.  You are helping Edwards by your support of Obama with comments like that.  

I think the software between the two cites makes a diference. Daily Kos is more user friendly and easier to make comments.


by littafi on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:20:26 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 1)

I agree.. that was uncalled for.   Edwards is a good man... And while I like Obama better, I think either will make a good President.  And based on the demos, it seems an Obama and Edwards ticket (either man in the first slot) would do well for us.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:56:28 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

To be fair, there are Edwards supporters who make similiar comments about Obama... in both situations, it is wrong nad uncalled for.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:57:15 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 2)

I think that this is a gross overgeneralization.  Are you insinuating that DKos readers (such as myself) are unintelligent, ill-informed dolts who just like a pretty face?  As a 48-year-old, very well-informed and politically-engaged female I take offense to your statement and find it insulting.  There are a great many progressives on DKos of all ages, and I enjoy the diversity of opinion.  I also very much enjoy MyDD, which has a different focus; I consider both blogs equally valuable.

I think it is more likely that "older" progressives are less impressed with Obama's "rock star" status and are impatient with his statements on some of the issues (the recent misstep he made about Gen. Pace's statements is just one example).  He seems to be cut too much from the Hillary cloth with his careful, calculated responses (he really started to lose me when he "reached out" to the faith community and starting lecturing us progressives on how important it was to embrace one's faith and values).  For me, Edward's message resonates more deeply - certainly the economic disparity in this country (especially with regard to health care) needs to be addressed, and his apology about his vote on the war, his refusal to debate on Fox News, and his immediate statement repudiating Gen. Pace's remarks puts him in a better light as far as I'm concerned.


by CarolSoprano on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:35:24 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 2)

I'd also agree with this.  Although I check both daily, I don't have to wade through as much material at MyDD to find something I'd like to read.  It seems that following dailykos can be a full-time job, and it's damn-near impossible to follow the comments.  I'm also young and trying to learn about the nuts and bolts of political organizing and activism, and there is much more of that here.


by Oly on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:24:15 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

Whogotthegravy is precisely right. You know, it's weird looking at trends and analyzing them, it's another thing altogether to look at them and say, "Hey, that's me!"


by afertig on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:43:01 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

Chris, been watching the Cartoon Channel recently, huh?  They just ran that episode of Futurama in the last week with Frye going back in time to meet up with his "grandmother".

Obama will appeal to the younger demographic because he is closer in age than Edwards to new voters and because he is a fresh face on the national scene.  The latter might help him even more than the former.    We could call it the "lure of the new".  We'll see how that factor plays since this campaign is going seem like an eon by the time we get around to casting any ballots next year (or maybe the end of this year the way the states are leapfrogging their primaries).


by VizierVic on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 06:59:46 AM EST

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

I can't wait until the new episodes come out in 2008... Kick ASS!


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:59:21 AM EST
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A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

Hmm. Here I am, an old female, and I read MyDD nearly every day, and DKos rarely.

I'm here for the substance, the new ideas, the on-topic good manners (sorry if I offend anyone with that comment), and the practical political steps.

Maybe I'm actually "young" in political terms because I'm a Deanie who never did anything but vote before 2003.


by joyful alternative on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 07:33:12 AM EST

Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (3.00 / 1)

Hey from one older female who rarely reads DKOS to another....Solidarity!  I'm stunned though about the younger audience here. I always think about MyDD as having to do with the nuts and bolts of democracy, almost genetic research: identifying the success chromosome.  But I was an Edwards first voter, which is just so interesting....


by Shrink in SF on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:10:43 AM EST
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Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (3.00 / 3)

Another aging female weighing in--man us menopausal chicks be messing with your demographics big-time.

However, I do need to say that good writing, reporting and political analysis (like great music) crosses all demographic boundaries. I now have a little shrine to Matt Stoller in my house and worship at it daily.

Asking me to choose between MyDD and Kos is like asking me which of my kids I love best. They're different animals. I love them all. MyDD, Kos, Atrios, Digby, Juan Cole, Talking Points are my first reading stops in the morning. But I also like Oricinus, Jesus General, Americablog, Firedoglake, Steve Gilliard, the Mahablog and a bunch of others.

To date myself hopelessly...."We Are Family, Get up Ev'rybody and Blog!!!

Oh come on! Y' all know it. Second verse. Here we go.

Living life is fun and we've just begun
To get our share of the world's delights
(HIGH!) high hopes we have for the future
And our goal's in sight
(WE!) no we don't get depressed
Here's what we call our golden rule
Have faith in you and the things you do
You won't go wrong
This is our (blogging) Jewel

All right, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have gone that far with the Sister Sledge thing.

As far as Obama vs. Edwards, I'll vote for either. I don't care. Just block Hillary, for God's sake.


by midwestmeg on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:15:15 AM EST
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Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

Great perspective here - and funny!

"I now have a little shrine to Matt Stoller in my house and worship at it daily." LOL!

"Asking me to choose between MyDD and Kos is like asking me which of my kids I love best."
Great sentiment, I agree completely.

"As far as Obama vs. Edwards, I'll vote for either. I don't care. Just block Hillary, for God's sake."

Also FULLY agree - either I would be very happy to have in the White House.


by jc on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:46:27 PM EST
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Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

As a 64-year-old female, I read both.  I read MyDD largely to find out what younger people are thinking, and for the nuts-and-bolts info.  I generally find it informative, albeit more clearly male in style.

I read the front pagers on Kos for news, but rarely the diaries.  Too many inane comments to wade through, too many comments period.

I think Chris is right that Obama (the non-Boomer) is more appealing to younger, more pragmatic voters.  Older voters also may be less willing to take a chance on a woman or Black candidate--just a hunch.  Personally I'd prefer Gore, but have given to both Edwards and Obama to help keep them going.  Either is ok with me, with the caveat that younger voters had better turn out if they really want him and what he stands for.


by Mimikatz on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:59:24 PM EST
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Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

Another woman chiming in.  I started out on DailyKos, but probably read MyDD more regularly than DK now.  

Two quick comments.

One is that Gore would be my first choice, but Edwards comes a close 2nd because of his emphasis on poverty and the two Americas.  I like Obama, but I'm sad to say that I no longer trust Hillary on a host of issues.  However, I think she would be far superior to anything the Republicans offer up, and I think anyone with progressive interests who doesn't vote for her if she's the nominee is crazy (or partying like it's 1999 again and the last six disastrous years never happened.)

Two is that something that MyDD does lack that some female readers may crave is the sense of community and intimate interaction between posters and commenters. It might not just be the lack of feminine voices on the front page that is affecting the demographics here at MyDD, but the interaction of the community which is much more cerebral, distant, and less interactive (look at how few comments most posts here generate compared to DK or Firedoglake or Eschaton.)  It is not just a matter of quantity, either, but the quality of those comments.  MyDD comments are, for the most part, fairly dry and impersonal, with relatively little emotion expressed and not much identity revealed.  

Now, to fly in the face of my last point, greetings, Mimikatz.  I've always read and enjoyed your observations here and elsewhere.

 


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by katerina on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 03:46:52 PM EST
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Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

Again, I'm a 60+ female, but so far Obama is my favorite candidate.

I don't see MyDD as "male in style," and I didn't realize people here were so young until I saw Matt on C-SPAN. There isn't a lot of chatting for the sake of chatting here, or personal aggrandizement, or bashing for the sake of bashing.


by joyful alternative on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 12:37:34 PM EST
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MyDD - Dailykos (none / 0)

I'm an old female, too.  I read MyDD daily and have for years.  I skim Kos occasionally (more during elections), typically reading only Markos's posts, seldom read a  diary and never read the comments.

I read MyDD because if anything is going on with the Democrats or any big news story, an intelligent post about it will be here within minutes.


by tex UnFairWitness on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 08:12:29 AM EST

A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

I don't really think the progressives have a candidate in the election yet.

I also think it is unfortunate that having women viewers is associated with becoming a boring establishement blog, which is what I think kos is.  This maybe a reflection of the fact that minorities and women are slower to get on the net than young white guys. This is not always the case, myleftwing and booman, are still pretty fresh.  Half the kos posters took lessons from Rahm and Bob Shrum and they appear to be boring establishment political operatives.

I admit I like the fact that mydd hasn't caught on.  It isn't tnrized.


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by Dameocrat on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 08:21:09 AM EST

Generation Gap? (none / 0)

Heh. I just turned 49. I spend more time here. Then again, I can't remember if I voted in either poll.


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by Michael Bersin on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 08:43:00 AM EST

I'm an older female, 42 and (none / 0)

This is my first stop in the morning unless TPM or FDL are deep into some controversy.

I love the commentary on the political process.  I think Matt Stoeller has some very insightful posts and really needs to write a book.  

I think that Dkos is more like an huge warehouse of ideas that touches broadly on many topics but doesn't really dig into the weeds like MyDD, FDL and TPM does.


by lisadawn82 on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:02:23 AM EST

It's like Cheers (3.00 / 2)

This makes perfect sense to me.  I'd also add that the dKos community drives youth traffic away, and maybe that's why folks are ending up here on MyDD.

I post almost exclusively about young voters and progressive politics.  Frequently I got either no response or a hostile response to my posts from the general community. It's just not a friendly place for a lot of young activists that don't conform to the community's view of what is important.

But here on MyDD, I always get a good reception - to the point that Jonathan and Chris have front-paged my writings.  This is just a much more receptive community.

As for the seriousness, that makes sense to me too.  It think a lot of Millennials are sick of the Boomers and their politics.  We're pragmatic and want to make a difference, and this seems like the place to do it.


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by Mike Connery on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:16:02 AM EST

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 1)

To me, the biggest difference between the two blogs is that MyDD is more wonkish, numbers and policy oriented, whereas DailyKos is more tribal and paranoid.

The age thing makes the most sense to me though.  Older Democrats get turned on by populism and economic fairness stuff, which is Edward's major shtick.  I think younger voters are a lot more indifferent to economic populism.


by fwiffo on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:17:32 AM EST

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

David Sirota isn't a populist.  Surely this is not the dividing line.  


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by Dameocrat on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:24:53 AM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

He is doing an overal generalization.  There will be things on both sites that don't fit into the Generalization, but the majority seems too.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:02:11 PM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

Why are younger voters indifferent to economic populism?  Still all think you'll strike it rich?  It would seem to me that as mobility in America is reduced, younger people would be the most hurt.  

There are actually 3 generations here--Boomers born ~1945-1963, Gen X born ~1964-1982 and Millenials, born ~1983-2001.  Plus a few of us holdovers from the Silent Generation, born ~1925-1944.


by Mimikatz on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 01:08:35 PM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

They know this.  The person was speaking for himself/herself.  millenials are the source of the antiglobalization movement, and they are the people most at risk in a world of outsourcing.  This is why I think Obama will go downhill with them if he doesn't distance himself from the "Hamilton Project" pronto.  However, I am not committed to Edwards either.  I am in the uncommitted category. I am skeptical of all of them until they give me a reason not to be.  Edwards still has a record of supporting the IWR, and Obama doesn't.


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by Dameocrat on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 01:29:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 2)

I don't think we're indifferent to it at all. I do think nobody's cast economic populism in terms that address our specific needs at this point in time. Come talk to us about student loans, tuition, entry-level jobs, and housing costs, and you'll have a very attentive audience.


by eugene on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 01:32:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

millenials xers and populism (none / 0)

They know this.  The person was speaking for himself/herself.  millenials are the source of the antiglobalization movement, and they are the people most at risk in a world of outsourcing.  This is why I think Obama will go downhill with them if he doesn't distance himself from the "Hamilton Project" pronto.  However, I am not committed to Edwards either.  I am in the uncommitted category. I am skeptical of all of them until they give me a reason not to be.  Edwards still has a record of supporting the IWR, and Obama doesn't.


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by Dameocrat on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 01:33:14 PM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 1)

Your dates are a little off for the generations according to a lot of accounts... According to American Demographics Gen Y or the millenials start in 1976... Howe and Strauss use 1982, but most market research firms use 1978 to 2000 as millenials or Gen Y...  

Demographics by generation

Cohort                         Year of birth
WWI                             1922 to 1927
Post-war/The Great Depression   1928 to 1941
Baby Boomers                    1942 to 1965
Generation X                    1966 to 1977
Generation Y/Millenials         1978 to 2000

Of course all of it is in dispute... there is a Generation Jones between X and Boomers according to some researchers... the Millenials can further be split up...  Its interesting.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 01:46:46 PM EST
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Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

Boomers start in 1946, as those of us born in 1945 well know. The class behind me in school was always more than twice as big, and remedial funding efforts always came too late to fix the 60-kid classes and half-day sessions they caused. Etc.


by joyful alternative on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 12:49:18 PM EST
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Obama is better of the two (1.00 / 0)

This is a referendum on Obama; Barack is a stronger candidate than Edwards  - myDD'ers just spend more time vetting their candidate. Once you get past the appearances, with Edwards, you still have someone who got their butt kicked by Dick Cheney in a debate. How is it possible to get your butt kicked by a guy who can't even stop from shooting his own friends in the face on hunting trips?

Still, kudos to Edwards for standing up to Fox news. At this moment Mydd poll reflects my sentiments exactly - its obama by just a whisker over here.


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by heyAnita on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:19:05 AM EST

Re: Obama is better of the two (3.00 / 2)

Edwards didn't get his ass kicked. He just wasn't the rabid attack dog that you wanted him to be. Cheneys negeatives were already huge and Edward's where low. There was nothing for Edwards to gain by ripping into Cheney - Cheney's negeatives couldn't go much lower, but it would have hurt Edwards' negeatives a lot more.

It was a good debate and he conducted himself well.


by Quinton on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:17:45 AM EST
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Re: Obama is better of the two (none / 0)

Unfortunately, THe gop created the CHeney kicked Edwards ass message in the media... and untrue that it was... it is the opinion that stuck with a lot of people.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:03:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is better of the two (none / 0)

Anybody who lies in the debate, loses by default.


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by rbrianj on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 03:34:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Comparing results (none / 0)

Not only is that a large, fifteen point gap between the two websites

How do you arrive at this number? I obviously don't know what's being compared. Thanks.


by Books Alive on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:20:28 AM EST

Re: Comparing results (none / 0)

At dailykos, Edwards has a 12 point lead, but at MyDD Obama has a 3 point lead -- this is a 15 point swing in the opposite direction.


by Oly on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:28:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Comparing results (none / 0)

OK, thanks.


by Books Alive on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:58:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 2)

oddly, I prefer myDD to DK, even though I fit the profile of an older male (33) who prefers Edwards. However I would support Obama in a heartbeat if he just started using his bully pulpit more aggressively in term sof policy. Perhaps it is because I am older that Obamas highfalutin rhetoric doesnt impress me and I want to see results; Edwards has delivered and to me is the more genuine progressive.


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by azizhp on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:25:59 AM EST

How Does This Affect the Ground Game? (none / 0)

If the Obama campaign becomes overly reliant on young people to carry the ball on the ground during the primaries, I suspect that he will underperform his poll numbers when his actual results come in.

I don't have any facts to back up that suspicion, but I just wanted to toss it out there for people to think about, support, or debunk.  And I make no comment as to why it might be so.


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by Anthony de Jesus on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:50:15 AM EST

Re: How Does This Affect the Ground Game? (none / 0)

I think you're right.  Dean's support in 04 was strong with the younger voters, but in no state did he perform as well as polls said he should.  The young people simply didn't turn out, and in Iowa when they did turn out many of them were confused by not having been to a caucus before.


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by Vox Populi on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:54:40 AM EST
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Re: How Does This Affect the Ground Game? (none / 0)

I think that is part of the plan with the My.BarackObama.com.  MArch 31, they are starting to push the organization with the campaign.  THe plan appears to use these tools to try and increase youth turnout.  Whether it works remains to be seen.  If it does and Obama still doesn't win, the same mechanisms would help us in the general.  And if Obama is not the nom and is the VP, I think we will see some great turnout in the general for us.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:07:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How Does This Affect the Ground Game? (none / 0)

You are probably right, but I don't think to the extent that many people will assume.  

We'll see in a year, I guess.  But I suspect that a lot of the youth doubters will be very surprised, and many of the overly exuberant youth boosters will be proved slightly wrong.


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by Mike Connery on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:04:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Dailykos Generation Gap? (3.00 / 2)

I'm 24 and a solid Edwards supporter.  I don't read DailyKos and love MyDD.

I think that Obama has younger supporters can be a detriment to him.  Young people simply don't turn out in the numbers older voters do.  Add in the confusion of a caucus, and you're setting yourself up for another Dean 2004.

I think part of Obama's problem is he moves like an iceberg.  He's offered few policy specifics, and is slow to react to things (see the recent Fox debate and "is homosexuality immoral" for reference).  He talks in Senate-ese more than he should, which means his speeches are either hit or miss.  People have such high expectations of his rhetoric, and then they hear what amounts to a lecture when they want things laid out simply, and want more red meat.

Otherwise Obama is a good candidate, and if Clark doesn't enter is my number two choice in this race at the moment.


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by Vox Populi on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:52:49 AM EST

Re: Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

It is early though.  I think you will see the policy specifics later on closer to the primaries... right now is about getting the donations and building organization and infrastructure.  

The Fox debate was a gaffe... the pace remarks can ultimately be chalked up to a gaffe (given the way some people ran with it, even if the facts were a little murkey) although his record and thoughts on gay rights are pretty well known and consistent.

I disagree with your Senate-Ese statement... his speeches do not come off that way to me, but that is a matter of opinion.  

We will see with youth turnout.... it seems like the campaign is pushing to help increase that turnout.  Maybe they or the state or Democrats need to run a workshop in the caucus states so first timers know what the hell to do.  It wil be interesting to see the results.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:15:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama the Law Professor (none / 0)

Obviously, the issue of Obama's rhetorical style and delivery is not what this diary is about, and so I don't really want to invite a long discussion about it here.  Nevertheless, having seen at least a dozen Obama speeches now (including the one at the 2004 convention in person), I confess, I am fascinated by this particular issue.  

I do not think I would characterize Obama's problematic speaking characteristics as Senate-ese. (That applies in spades to Hillary Clinton's problems in this department.)  Instead, I see the law professor in Obama come out every so often.  I actually think that when Obama puts himself on autopilot (which happens to all candidates), he reverts back to his law professor personna. I don't mind it at all.  In fact, I like listening to a good law professor.  But then again, I know that certain audiences will scratch their heads when listening to this style of speech. (See, for example, Obama's recent speech to the firefighters union.)

To be clear, I could both praise and critique Clinton and Edwards' speaking styles (and autopilot styles) as well.  It is my sense that all three have strengths and weaknesses in this area. Heck, I should probably write a diary on it.  :)


by Demo37 on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 02:37:11 PM EST
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Re: Obama the Law Professor (none / 0)

I can see that... He gets into professor lecture mode... that is a fair statement.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 05:09:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

As much as it bothers me about Obama and "specifics", he really doesn't need to say anything but the obvious right now. He is still in his honeymoon stage. The press is being quite generous to him at the moment. All he needs to do is just wait and see. Wait for his poll numbers to settle down and then decide what to do next.


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by rbrianj on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 03:44:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (3.00 / 0)

Regarding the comparison of dkos and mydd populations:

Being seriously middle-aged, I am supposed to be over at dkos. <g> But I agree with some of the other comments that what draws me here is not the age of the folks in one community or the other.

It's about the content. Mydd is nuts-and-bolts and wonky all the time. That's what I want. I simply don't care about the "Yeah that's right" cheerleading that is rampant at dkos. I want to talk about actions and analysis that makes sense of what is happening in today's politics.

Keep up the good work.


Karl in Drexel Hill, PA
by KB on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:56:27 AM EST

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

Second, Dailykos has a much higher percentage of women readers than does MyDD.

that surprises me as I would have thought it would be the reverse.

I suspect you are correct, it is a question of voice


by Alice Marshall on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:59:40 AM EST

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

Exactly. I prefer MYDD's gender neutrality.


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by misscee on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:02:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

I read both blogs and voted in both polls. I voted for Obama on MyDD and for Edwards on Kos. The reason Obama lost my Kos vote was his lack of a statement on the bigot, Gen. Pace.


by Marq on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:10:22 AM EST

Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (3.00 / 2)

See this is what makes no sense to me.  If indeed Obama did make a gaffe on the newsday "interview" (for lack of a betterword)... he did comeout with a statement clarifying that night.  Obama also has an exceptional public record of support for gay rights and equality.  The Pace thing may have been a screw up (I still think Thrush was mistaken that Obama was answering his question), but Obama in those statements NEVER said homosexuality was immoral or it was bad.  He has always supported Gay Rights as well and he goes to a UCC church which participates in the Open and Affirming program... which means that they are a diverse church body that welcomes ALL people regardless of gender, color, sexual orientation, etc.  The UCC is also the only national church who supports gay marriage.

GIven the long body of evidence on his feelings on gay rights, I don't understand how someone can change their opinion of who they are supporting based on one gaffed statement.  In this long of a process, all candidates will make mistakes.  Edwards has made some, Obama has made some.  Either your support is soft for the two (meaning you liek both and don't have hard support for one over the other) or... well I just don't know.  As I said it makes little sense to me.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:27:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

To me it seems like the problem was the manner of his answer. He shouldn't have needed to issue a clarification, as he should just have explicitly said that he thought Pace was wrong. His rather faltering response is worrying if it's going to be a precedent to how he'll respond to future Republican smears.
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by Englishlefty on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 03:44:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A MyDD - Dailykos Generation Gap? (none / 0)

I guess I'd be more worried about it if he had said it on Meet the Press or in a formal interview... this was almost a man on the street type interview after the Fire Fighters speech... It might have been a mistake, it might have been Thrush making more of it than it is... but this isn't to be feared... HRC's response was more worrying to me as a Democrat since hers was in a more formalized setting.  As I said, mistakes happen but this is far different than saying it in a formal interview.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 05:13:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Age Gap (none / 0)

That MyDD would be populated by a younger crowd is quite surprising, but I take your analysis to suggest that it's not college kids but instead young-ish professionals and activists; that makes some sense. DailyKos, because of its scale, looks more like the regular offline, Democratic rank-and-file (which is largely middle-aged and female). My sense of Edwards's strength lay in his communication style which places a premium on gut-level emotional appeals and rhetoric, whereas Obama tends to go for a more ministerial -- intellectual-cum-spiritual -- approach.


by blueflorida on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:12:34 AM EST

Edwards is the one!!! (none / 0)

I like MyDD and check it out all day, my job allows me to do this, i'm so lucky; but Kos is cool too. What i prefer about MyDD is the graphic interface, it's easier to use and not so jumbled as Kos is. Also, i'm a phila boy(geezer over 50) and there is a phila feeling about this site, not sure why i feel that way.


by jfoster on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:19:23 AM EST

Re: Edwards is the one!!! (none / 0)

Because Chris is from Philly... He does post a lot on local Philly politics.  So there is definately that feel on here at times.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:29:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ha ha ha! (3.00 / 3)

I'm sorry, but this just tickled my funny bone. Because I'm an older woman who reads both sites daily... and likes both Edwards and Obama. :-D

But seriously, the main difference in the 'feel' of the two sites for me is actually the comments. There are always fewer comments on MyDD posts and most of them are rather weighty, so I tend not to comment here unless I think I have something really significant to add, and never respond to other comments. On DKos, I would never have felt apologetic about posting a flip comment about my age and presidential indecision. Here, I'm still not sure whether I'm actually going to press "post" on such a fluffy comment. Guess I'll bite the bullet.


by tjekanefir on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:20:31 AM EST

Re: Ha ha ha! (3.00 / 1)

Thanks for wading in!


by Matt Stoller on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:34:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I really wish you would! (none / 0)

Speaking absolutely selfishly, I find the most valuable part of being round here when I do get challenged (nicely!), and have to try and explain my reasoning.

Because, quite often, the reasoning is faulty, or I've misunderstood the facts or the law or whatever - and the last thing I want to do is to carry on demonstrating my ignorance!

Being a total amateur in these things, that's really been the only way I've learnt: getting my 'knowledge' challenged, and quite often finding that I've been wrong all along.

So - I'd say, if you've got a point or query, make it. No one will be snippy or condescending.

Or if they are, I'll come along and beat them up for you!


by skeptic06 on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:07:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ha ha ha! (none / 0)

I agree about the comments.  I'm 38, who knew I was an older woman, and my main 3 are Eschaton, MyDD, and DK.  I've also been reading Matt Yglesias.  I find that the comments section at Atrios is geared towards his regulars, who seem to be very good(and funny) online friends, so I sometimes feel awkward chiming in with a comment.  DK makes me feel like I'm shouting to get my comment heard based on the sheer volume.  Here you can read and contribute to the comments, but I do feel compelled to rewrite some of my smart-assish comments also.


by Kingstongirl on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 08:38:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

I just get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of comments in posts and diaries. Am I the only one?
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by Adam Conner on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:33:34 AM EST

Re: Edwards And Obama: A MyDD - Dailykos Generatio (none / 0)

On Here or Kos... I feel that way on Kos... not on here.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:30:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards And Obama: (none / 0)

The fact that Edwards won here only demonstrates how out of touch this blog is with everyone else.

Dkos only slightly less.


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by Liberal Avenger on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:38:25 AM EST

Re: Edwards And Obama: (none / 0)

Edwards didn't win here.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:30:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I prefer MyDD because... (3.00 / 1)

It focuses more on the campaigns, tactics and strategy as opposed to all those icky "issues" they talk about on dailykos.  

For the record I am a white, male, under 25, political professional, but an Edwards supporter.  So I buck the trend--sort of.


by KickinIt on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:41:19 AM EST

alternative theories (3.00 / 1)

Just wondering. Did you consider:

1) Poll stuffing on DKos? Maybe the Edwards people organized something.

2) Timing. DKos poll came out when Obama criticism  for his response to Pace's "immoral homosexual" comments was at its peak and after Edwards got kudos for his response.


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by demondeac on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:42:22 AM EST

Re: alternative theories (none / 0)

As for poll stuffing it's been my understanding that supports of a number of the canidates have been accused of doing that. Obama is quite popular online so if stuffing went on I think it's logical to assume that his supporters would have held their own against Edwards supporters (and others).

The ratio of support seemed to stay about the same from fairly early on through until the last time I checked it when there was 20,000 votes too.

I do think timing is key. Edwards has been making some good moves and getting good press (in the blogsphere and in the msm) and Obama had a fumble or two. I also think that perhaps at least among the highly informed netroots base Obama's shine is starting to come off. He's still talking in platitudes and vagueries and Edwards isn't.

During the last round on the Iraq resolution in the senate Obama and Clinton both voted for the Gregg amendment saying they won't get off funding for the troops. Sure, I know it's a gotcha amendment, but still. He's supposed to be showing he can lead and you can't do that from the back.


by Quinton on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:39:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: alternative theories (none / 0)

Stuffing usually isn't a lot of people... it is only a few.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:31:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Result NOT due to Demographics (3.00 / 1)

Although the polls were taken within a week of each other, this last week Edwards was out front on the Fox debate issue and Obama gave his pathetic morality non-answer answer within 24 hours of Kos poll.  I voted for Obama on the MyDD poll, and switched to Edwards on Kos yesterday.

In other words, between the time of the two polls, Edwards had a good week, and Obama a bad week.

Last question, are Obama and Edwards going after the same voters amongst all Dems, or just the netroot Dems?


by magster on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:46:39 AM EST

Edwards and demographics (3.00 / 2)

I totally agree that Edwards appeals to women more. Whenever I see people assume that Clinton will win huge among women, I am surprised. Not only do women like John Edwards, they absolutely love Elizabeth Edwards. Just yesterday I was walking my dog and ran into a woman in my precinct who was one of my key Kerry supporters last time around. She doesn't like Clinton and is leaning toward Edwards.

As for the candidates and age groups, obviously Obama seems to have a lot of appeal among the under-30 set. I think a lot of older voters are interested, but less enthralled.

In my experience as a precinct captain in 2003/2004, Edwards tended to do really well among voters in their 30s and 40s. Kerry seemed to do a little better among voters over 50.

There were plenty of exceptions, but this was the case in my precinct and others around me. There were tons of undecideds between Kerry and Edwards in the final week, and most of the ones I knew under the age of 50 went to Edwards (in my precinct and elsewhere in the Des Moines area).

In the suburban Des Moines precincts with a lot of empty nesters, like mine, Kerry got more delegates than Edwards. In the ones with more young families, Edwards got more delegates than Kerry.

Since the 30-49 age group is a very important swing demographic (my husband calls them the aging Reaganjugen), I think Edwards would be a great candidate at the top of the ticket.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:48:40 AM EST

Re: Edwards and demographics (none / 0)

I would agree that Edward has a lot of appeal among Women... I saw a feminist saying he would be the first woman president... a dubious title but I understand her point.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:33:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The gender thing (none / 0)

I'd love to see someone do a Ph D anthropology thesis comparing and contrasting the DKos and MyDD communities.

Because I'm far from clear that gender is the main explanation for the differences between the two sites.

As far as the FP stuff is concerned, one could, I suppose, reasonably easily set up lab-based tests to try and discover whether the writing could be tagged for gender.

I'd guess not.

I do note, for instance, that Nancy's stuff has fitted right in here in terms of style as well as content - the style is obviously a bit different from the guys', but not so much that it doesn't blend.

On the other hand - I am so glad we don't get hung up on these issues over here.

I'm not sure whether that feeling is masculine, feminine - or just sensible.


by skeptic06 on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:24:14 AM EST

Are younger folks more moderate? (none / 0)

I'm a baby boomer and I read both.

Daily Kos is bigger.  I enjoy Chris' opinions the most.  Age is not important to me.  

One thing that may be reflected in this generation gap is that older Democrats on blogs tend to be leftist because their political consciousness were formed by the civil rights and opposition to the Vietnam war.

Many of us see John Edwards as significantly to the left of Obama.  Since our cores are left, we support John Edwards.

I wanted to support Obama, but he is just too moderate for me on key issues, like the war in Iraq.  

Younger folks may be more conservative than baby boomers on Democratic blogs.


by littafi on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:28:24 AM EST

Re: Are younger folks more moderate? (3.00 / 1)

Absolutely - couldn't agree more!  We also have the benefit of hindsight and are not so easily taken in by charisma (after all, we've been there, haven't we?)  I'm really not comfortable with Obama's stances on many issues, just as I am not comfortable with Hillary's.  I really do want to like him - he's young, smart, and very personable.  I just can't get behind him with his careful, calculated statements and, in my opinion, his pandering to the "faith-based" community, which to me rings false.


by CarolSoprano on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:42:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are younger folks more moderate? (3.00 / 1)

Carol, Obama does NOT pander to faith-based community.  If you are saying that, you don't know the man or much about him.  Pandering would be him having no or little religous experience and then all of a sudden preaching from the rooftops.  This is not Obama at all... I am assuming you made that comment because you don't know enough about his history to know that calling him a panderer on that issue is laughable and conflicts with reality.

Obama is very spiritual.  He is a strong Progressive Chris