Is Fox News Hurting?

Now this is something I didn't expect to see.  AdAge, the influential advertising trade magazine, has a poll on their site asking whether the Democratic Party was right to cancel the Fox News debate.  They also have coverage of the flap, which every PR and media buyer is going to see.  Meanwhile, Mediabistro reports the following from Variety:

"The Congressional Black Caucus has given two of its four scheduled presidential debates to CNN but said it is 'in discussions' with Fox News to sponsor two as well," Variety reports. "The CBC is hosting two debates for Democratic presidential aspirants and two for Republicans for the 2008 cycle and had been seeking network sponsors to cover costs and broadcast the debates."

Update: 11:47am: The Variety story originaly included this line: "Fox is working overtime to sponsor a debate between Democrats, seen as critical to maintaining its 'Fair and Balanced' mantra and credibly covering the 2008 election." It has been deleted.

Somebody got on the phone and yelled at Variety to delete that quote.  I wonder why.

Could it have anything to do with this, from the State of the News Media 2007 from the Project for Excellence in Journalism*?

While the numbers are impressive -- particularly Fox News's financial milestones -- they do not come without questions. First, Fox News was expected to overtake CNN in profits in 2005 as well, but fell short, so the accuracy of projections remains a question.  The second is more long-term. With all channels losing audience in 2006, has the cable industry as a whole -- beyond just news -- begun a downward curve?

The number of cable households that are subscribers has barely increased in years, inching just 1% or so every year in the last five.  With no new audience, advertisers aren't paying what they used to. Cable networks are no longer able to get the significantly higher rates they are accustomed to, and ended up with only a 2% gain in the 2006 advertising "upfront" period.  In addition, the slowdown in advertising revenue and growth means each network or channel spends more on self-promotion to maintain its position.

In all likelihood, Fox News has a less profitable and less influential demographic base than CNN, which is why their larger audience isn't translating to higher profits.  Their partisan branding problem is probably something that's always made them nervous and something they've always papered over with an aggressive 'Fair and Balanced' branding campaign (Air America, which is overt about its ideology, has trouble with advertisers).  This is probably why Fox News is desperately trying to get the CBC to host a debate with them.  They may succeed, as we have less leverage with the CBC Institute (though internal allies are fighting against Fox News).  Regardless, the money people are noticing the animosity against Fox News, and realizing that the Fox News brand isn't necessarily something their clients should want to be associated with.

The corporate world is cautious about politics, and they don't like to get in the middle of political spats.  They prefer their politics quiet and out of site.  It's probably just better for them to put their ads on CNN and MSNBC, and leave Fox News for the penis pills and the like.

* I don't know why the Project for Excellence in Journalism includes Fox News or why they don't just start a new partisan press category.



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What are the ads on Rush Limbaugh's show? (none / 0)

Viagra and Pole barns.  

I read an article in the Wall St Journal years ago about ad rates for Fox and CNN.

The article claimed that even though Fox had more viewers, CNN was able to charge more for ads because it was seen as more legitimate.  


by Yoshimi on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 02:01:42 PM EST

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bad link to the poll


Bob Brigham Blog
by Bob Brigham on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 02:10:55 PM EST

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Either that, or it too was taken down.  I can't find the poll anywhere on the site.


by maddogg on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 02:42:53 PM EST
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"In all likelihood, Fox News has a less profitable and less influential demographic base than CNN, which is why their larger audience isn't translating to higher profits."

In your wildest, lunatic dreams. Fox News today is making more money than CNN and MSNBC combined (see stock autits and comparisons) and their network just beat the ABC, CBS and NBC this week. Put it all together and they are now "King Of The Hill". If Fox News and Fox Network offers to combine their audiences for a debate, I am sure our  presidential candidates will fall all over each other to sign up.


by joliepoint on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 02:46:35 PM EST

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Got a link for the profits?

Also: profit isn't revenue. Newspapers are still highly profitable, in spite of falling revenues. They just keep making cuts in the newsroom.


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 03:42:31 PM EST
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Also, stock analysis would be comparing Time Warner and NewsCorp, both of which are sprawling corporate media empires.  


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 03:46:32 PM EST
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Polls, Polls, and Damn Lies (none / 0)

To paraphrase, there are polls, polls, and damn lies. KOS has one going now that's en-lightning with almost 13,000 votes:
Edwards 40%;
Obambam 26%;
Richardson 8%; and
Hilly barely leading Kucinich 3% to 2%.

Hmmm....could it have anything to do with Edwards coming out first against Fux? Naaaah.


by texex on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 03:09:39 PM EST

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In all likelihood, Fox News has a less profitable and less influential demographic base than CNN, which is why their larger audience isn't translating to higher profits.

Advertising has to do with credibility as much as audience numbers. It is not just that you want your product seen by as many people as possible, you want  it to be seen in the right context. That is why the NY Post can't attract advertisers, no one wants there product anywhere near those stories.

If you go back in archives in AdAge and the other marketing trades you will see articles pleading with the cable networks to drop the Michael Jackson coverage because it is so discredible. Tabloid coverage may attract viewers (although even that is quesitonable) but it scares advertisers.


by Alice Marshall on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 03:38:49 PM EST

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It's pretty clear if you look at the kinds of ads that run that CNN has a higher-value demographic.

I mean, how much money can Fox be making with those "Apply directly to the head" spots?


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 03:40:41 PM EST

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Maybe cable viewership would again increase if the local monopoly cable carriers did not constantly increase their subscription prices, or even decreased them.

Cable service needs to be re-regulated.


by seeker on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 04:05:56 PM EST

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" It's probably just better for them to put their ads on CNN and MSNBC, and leave Fox News for the penis pills and the like."

HA!


by IsThisOverYet on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 04:23:43 PM EST

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I just quit supporting Kucinich after his support of Fox "News".
I now have one foot in Edwards' camp.

Whether or not Fox "News" is hurting, those Dems who are in favor of appearing on Fox "News" will be.

Fox IS a legitimate opinion place just like Air America.

They should just say so and stop the lies about it.


by Ma Joad on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 05:48:35 PM EST

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They seem to spend so little effort gathering "news"  at Fox. No wonder they keep getting scooped.

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by Khalid Did on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 07:29:59 PM EST

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The poll at AdAge appears to have vanished.


by brackdurf on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 10:22:54 PM EST

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   What do you mean by businesses liking their politics quiet? Corporate America gives to the Republicans by a margin of 70-30%. Call that quiet. Call owning all the media, and flushing all serious news down the toilet (nothing covered on Bush in 2000, nothing), quiet? Yeah, right, and there is no moon. Listen. Corporations are the most poltical, and cruel, operators out there.


"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
by liberal2012 on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 11:52:32 PM EST

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I think you're taking it the wrong way.  He didn't say that corporation aren't political, they just like to pretend that they aren't.


by maddogg on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 12:53:22 AM EST
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by renouv1 on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 06:24:05 AM EST


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