Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scandal

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales isn't the only one having a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week. The flow of information surrounding the Bush administration's move to fire several United States Attorneys on political grounds has only increased in recent days, with reporters at McClatchy, among others, scoring some serious scoops -- almost all of which mean bad news for those in the upper echelon of the administration, including President Bush's closest advisor Karl Rove. First, McClatchy's team of Margaret Talev and Marisa Taylor writing on Saturday.

Presidential advisor Karl Rove and at least one other member of the White House political team were urged by the New Mexico Republican party chairman to fire the state's U.S. attorney because of dissatisfaction with his job performance including his failure to indict Democrats in a voter fraud investigation in the battleground election state.

In an interview Saturday with McClatchy Newspapers, Chairman Allen Weh said he complained in 2005 about then-U.S. Attorney David Iglesias to a White House liaison who worked for Rove and asked that he be removed. Weh said he followed up with Rove personally in late 2006 during a visit to the White House.

Weh's account calls into question the Justice Department's stance that the recent decision to fire eight U.S. attorneys, including Iglesias, was made without the White House weighing in. Justice Department officials have said the White House's involvement was limited to approving a list of the U.S. attorneys after the Justice Department made the decision to fire them.

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Weh recalled asking Rove at a White House holiday event in December: "Is anything ever going to happen to that guy?" What Weh didn't know was that the firings of Iglesias and the others had already been approved.

Weh said Rove told him: "`He's gone.' I probably said something close to `Hallelujah.'"

In an article online today that details the White House's response to the Talev/Taylor article (Bush spokesperson Dana Perino conceded that Rove had acted as a conduit), the McClatchy duo, plus Ron Hutcheson, report the following:

The new details about Rove's involvement emerged as the top Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee declared their interest in talking to him.

The committee is trying to determine whether the firings were part of an effort to exert political control over federal prosecutors. Democrats consider Rove the key source for any political interference at the Justice Department because of his role at the center of politics and policy in the White House.

Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., and Linda Sanchez, D-Calif., confirmed their plans after McClatchy Newspapers reported Saturday that New Mexico's Republican Party chairman, Allen Weh, had complained to Rove and one of Rove's deputies about Iglesias.

"Mr. Conyers and Ms. Sanchez intend to talk with Karl Rove about any role he may have had in the firing of the U.S. attorneys," Sanchez spokesman James Dau said. "The revelations from Mr. Weh certainly give us something else relevant and salient to talk about."

As if all of this were not bad enough for Rove and Gonzales, Newsweek's Michael Isikoff reports in the March 19 issue of the magazine that a second ousted U.S. Attorney, David McKay of Seattle, has come forward and stated that he was pressured by a senior Justice Department official to stay silent about his firing and senior Democratic lawmakers began calls for the resignation of the Attorney General.

My sense at this moment is that it will not be the case that both Rove and Gonzales emerge from this scandal with their jobs -- that President Bush will have to throw one of them under the bus to save the other. Naturally, this would be an extremely difficult decision for the President as the two men have been among his closest political advisors throughout his career. That said, given the realization that at least one head will need to roll as a result of this ongoing scandal, which continues to hit its stride with every new revelation, President Bush would likely make the choice to sacrifice one of his advisors to save the other. Which one he would choose to protect, I do not know, nor would I at this time care to guess.



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Purge Scandal (none / 0)

I doubt either will be fired, but I expect our esteemed Attorney General to quit.  The Bushies are loyal to their guy, and they will take the bullet.


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by Vox Populi on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 02:59:42 AM EST

Graham Laughs at Schumer.... Schumer - your move? (none / 0)

And Lindsay Graham gets to laugh at the Democrats, basically saying "what you gonna do about it"  We still have Lieberman on our side, didn't have a vote he didn't like remember.

Graham: `The Fact That Schumer Asked For [Gonzales] To Step Down Means He Won't'»

Today on CNN's Late Edition, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) was asked about Sen. Chuck Schumer's (D-NY) call for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign. Graham said, "I think the fact that Senator Schumer asked for him to step down means he won't," claiming that Schumer's statement "does interject a little politics here."

Graham played down the administration's purge of U.S. Attorneys, calling it perfectly within President Bush's authority and merely "poorly handled" and "unseemly." He also repeated Karl Rove's lie that President Clinton also purged attorneys. "Clinton let them all go when he took over," Graham said...

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/11/grah am-gonzales/

Hello fascism.


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:02:28 AM EST

Re: Graham Laughs at Schumer.... (none / 0)

I believe what Graham says is actually accurate, it's just misleading. When a president comes into office, it's perfectly normal for him to pick new Us attorneys, it's just this mid-term ousting of such a large number that is unprecedented and suspicious.
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by Englishlefty on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 10:18:50 AM EST
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Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (3.00 / 1)

If anyone bites the bullet, it will be Gonzales. There is no way Bush is going to throw Rove under the bus.


by PsiFighter37 on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:06:06 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

Though wouldn't that be sweet--Rove, with the crosshairs on him, confessing everything to a federal prosecutor, and then the press?


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:11:14 AM EST
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Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

Gonzales' replacement would have to be confirmed by the Senate.  Lieberman  would vote for Bush's choice, but it would have to survive the Judiciary Committee first, where every memo about torture and the unitary executive would be brought up.

Rovce, OTOH, has a political job that doesn't require confirmation.  Rove could be fired and let back in through the back door to consult.

I don't think he would fire either one, though.  He wouldn't want to have to replace Gonzales at this point, but he can't live without Rove.  They all just slime along until 2009, unless the Dems impeach Abu G, which they won't.


by Mimikatz on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 01:15:53 PM EST
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Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

The Gonzales Eight scandal is the kind of thing that makes people like Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins independents. Screw Joe Lieberman. do you know what we'd be calling Lincoln Chafee if he flipped in October '06? Sen. Chafee. Lindsay Graham can gooberschtick it up all he wants - this scandal is the real deal. The DoJ has already admitted to unlawful acts.

Bush can either throw Gonzales to the wolves (he's not keeping Gonzales and throwing Rove overboard - Gonzales can be replaced with any number of hacks, Rove can't) or Bush is going to do a Saturday Night Massacre of any career DoJ people that comply with Congressional subpoenas and then we're going to have the trademarked constitutional crisis that people talk about all the time only for real. The Senate Judiciary is chock-a-block full of former US Attorneys (including Specter) and they know this is a very serious scandal.

The reading list for this spring in DC should start with Chinua Achebe's 'Things Fall Apart'. Stubborn doesn't make you agile and able to cope with problems. And finally the White House has real political problems to handle. They won't handle them well because they CAN'T handle them well - because they are stubborn and weak and the rats are jumping ship.


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:19:03 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated (none / 0)

Specter was district attorney for Philadelphia but never a U.S. attorney as far as I can tell.


by joyful alternative on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 06:59:38 AM EST
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Re: Karl Rove Implicated (none / 0)

I don't know if this has been said, but I think we should be looking at the Republican senators from states with replaced US attorneys.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 12:56:15 PM EST
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Re: Karl Rove Implicated (none / 0)

Domenici is in it up to his ears (up in 2008) but Ensign (who's not) has defended his state's USA and wants him reappointed.  Three are from CA, which has 2 Dem Senators, neither up for reelection.  WA has two Dems as well.  That leaves Arkansas, which has two Dems (but Huckabee as Gov) and the last one I can't remember.  What we need to be looking at are the ones that weren't fired because they went along, liek maybe NJ and who knows where else.


by Mimikatz on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 01:23:31 PM EST
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Re: Karl Rove Implicated (none / 0)

You're right. I'm thinking about Utah in 2006.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:51:08 PM EST
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I think they'll stay--for now (none / 0)

I'm not so sure that he'll fire either of them. So long as they work for the administration, he can refuse to let them testify in front on congress (under oath, of course) under some bullshit "states secrets" or executive privilege pretext, which would tie matters up in the courts and keep them from having to testify. Once they're no longer working for him, only the "states secrets" tactic applies, and it's the weaker of the two procedurally.

Plus, he signals weakness if he lets either of them go. This will only happen if GOP leaders pressure him--as they did with Rumsfeld. And I don't know if they'll be in a rush to do this as some of their colleagues are under a cloud in this scandal.

In any case, I think they're of more use to Dems the longer they work for Bush than if he fires them. Like Cheney, they embarrass him and keep attention focused on these scandals. (Of course, Libby hasn't exactly escaped attention ever since he got indicted, so who knows.)

It's the beginning of the end for this administration, and of a prolonged and well-deserved exile in the political wilderness for the GOP.


by kovie on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 06:14:55 AM EST

Nixon and Bush (none / 0)

I think it's overly optimistic, and also dead wrong, to expect that this President, when faced with a Nixonian scandal, to respond with Nixon-level decisions.  Bush is just not that cerebral.  It is unlikely that he will even recognize the political liability these two advisors now represent.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 06:41:42 AM EST

Karl Rove is Grimer Wormtongue (none / 0)

If this were the lord of the rings, and the president, the king of the riders of rohan - then Karl Rove would be grimer wormtongue.

Gonzalez has done a better job than Ashcroft (who in his entire tenture, made only one terror prosecution related to 911)

And Rove, is at the center of the Valerie Plame Scandal - pushes the president to politics over policy - and has created in George W. Bush a lame duck president.  Karl Rove was secretary to Bush Sr., and is at the white house constantly.

It is Bush's fascination with Cheney, and Rove that drive us down as a nation.

It is Karl Rove that causes Mayan Priests to attempt to purge our president, as an evil spirit - when he visits sites in central America.

The most tangible improvement the white house could make in their last year in power would be to  carefully analyse the trouble they have had in relation to the advice they have followed from Karl Rove.


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by heyAnita on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:01:55 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

Neither one of them will leave office.  These unscrupulous provocateurs are absolutely reprehensible.  Neither impeachment proceedings nor subpoenas will get them to leave office; lawsuits, but more likely only criminal charges will suffice to defeat these criminal conspirators.  

Is there such a thing as a class-action RICO lawsuit? Perhaps, but I would think that the possibility of some kind of settlement would keep them functioning in their respective offices.  IMhO, Cheney should be the first to go - through impeachment.  Nothing else will get him out of office, yet he is probably most culpable in the burning of Brewster-Jennings.  


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens, etc., etc...." -M.Meade "I, on the other hand, am not so sanguine." -ezdidit
by ezdidit on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:37:25 AM EST

Not even if the impeachment proceeding succeeds? (none / 0)

I'd expect that if AG Gonzales was impeached and convicted, he would in fact leave office. Not even he could successfully ignore that much of the Constitution (though, knowing him, he could well try to do so).


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by BruceMcF on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 02:33:36 PM EST
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Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

Is there such a thing as a class-action RICO lawsuit? Perhaps, but I would think that the possibility of some kind of settlement would keep them functioning in their respective offices.  IMhO, Cheney should be the first to go - through impeachment.  Nothing else will get him out of office, yet he is probably most culpable in the burning of Brewster-Jennings.


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens, etc., etc...." -M.Meade "I, on the other hand, am not so sanguine." -ezdidit
by ezdidit on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:38:18 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

Is there such a thing as a class-action RICO lawsuit?


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens, etc., etc...." -M.Meade "I, on the other hand, am not so sanguine." -ezdidit
by ezdidit on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:38:35 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

...a class-action RICO lawsuit?


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens, etc., etc...." -M.Meade "I, on the other hand, am not so sanguine." -ezdidit
by ezdidit on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:39:11 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

50 chars.?


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens, etc., etc...." -M.Meade "I, on the other hand, am not so sanguine." -ezdidit
by ezdidit on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:39:59 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

I don't see how hurling ROVE under the bus saves Gonzales. He's STILL the AG. The way I see it he's the one that goes under if someone does.

BTW, was anyone else worried that McClatchy would nerf knight ridder? Glad I was wrong there.


by MNPundit on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 10:40:52 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

Rove is responsible: every prosecutor that was purged, was done so for political reasons. Rove orchestrated the purge under the auspice of the new patriot act that gives the president the power to appoint an interim prosecutor indefinitely, without senate confirmation. That is a white house/ executive power and not related to the office of the attorney General (gonzalez)
who merely carried out Rove's orders.

Gonzales simply followed orders.

Think for a second: if a soldier is told to go to war, to kill innocent people - as in the case of the iraq invasion - should that soldier be held responsible for fabricating evidence in the run up, or for the operation itself?

So to answer you, quite the obvious: Rove taking responsibility for trying to politicize (as he has done with almost all of washington these days - the most partisan environment ever!) the office of the prosecutor - is justice served and Gonzales should merely be admonished.


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by heyAnita on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 11:42:44 AM EST
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The soldier analogy works if Gonzales is the Asst. AG and Rove is the AG. Rove is a political hack who works for the President.  His job is to scheme and come up with nasty things to do that keeps the Repubs in power and make the Dems look bad.  Alberto Gonzales is the Attorney General of The United States of America; he was recommended by the President, and approved by the Senate.  Though we can agree that it was a political appointment, it was assumed he had a passing familiarization with the rule of law.  Given his actions on Jose Padilla, wiretapping, NSL letters from the FBI, and attorney firings; his judgement if not his comprehension of what "legal" means is in doubt.  It seems to be that as the lawyer for land, when a political hack calls and asks that your subordinates, also keepers of the constitution, be fired, you have some say in the matter.


by Kingstongirl on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 12:54:47 PM EST
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With a year & a half left in the Bush presidency, they'll just stonewall it & run out the clock. This is their modus operandi.


by carter1 on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 10:48:08 AM EST

Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge Scand (none / 0)

Sorry, it's 22 months until Jan 20, 2009.


by Mimikatz on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 01:26:27 PM EST
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Re: Karl Rove Implicated in Prosecutor Purge (none / 0)

NYT's Paul Krugman has great columns here and here, Washington Monthly's Kevin Drum here, and TalkingPointsMemo's Joshua Micah Marshal here. They point out that we should be concerned about all the prosecutors who have not been purged -- what did they do that allowed them to stay?

Here is a excellent research opportunity for us all: who are your local federal prosecutors, what bogus charges have they brought against Democrats, and what investigations have they slowed against corrupt Republicans? This would be really useful information for unveiling the extent of the corruption and coverup.


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