Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean?

Here's Al Sharpton expressing genuine concerns about Barack Obama's candidaacy.

"Why shouldn't the black community ask questions? Are we now being told, 'You all just shut up?'" Sharpton told CBS 2's Marcia Kramer Monday. "Senator Obama and I agree that the war is wrong, but then I want to know why he went to Connecticut and helped [Sen. Joseph] Lieberman, the biggest supporter of the war."

Sharpton also questioned why Obama supports "tort reform, which hurts police brutality victims."

What set Sharpton off was a published report that he is trying to hurt Obama's campaign because he's jealous. Sharpton says that claim is untrue, charging the story came from the Obama camp to pressure him into an early endorsement.

"I'm not going to be cajoled or intimidated by any candidate not for my support," Sharpton said.

Political pundits say Obama is anxious for Sharpton's support because it could hurt Hillary Clinton and help Obama raise money. "At this stage of the game, it's all about the money and I think you're going to see the candidates with the biggest fund raising making it through the end of the year," Political Consultant Joseph Mercurio said.

Does Sharpton's endorsement matter? CBS 2 polled some New Yorkers and the results were mixed, but the majority appeared to lean toward the side that believes Sharpton's endorsement will make a difference.

It's easy to get into the back-and-forth about Sharpton and Obama, the horse race aspects, and miss the larger picture.  Al Sharpton is expressing very legitimate questions about Barack Obama's candidacy.  Why, in 2006, did he support a candidate like Lieberman who, whatever his personal qualities, represents a dramatic right-wing extremist ideology on America's place in the world?  I can imagine any number of answers, many of which are legitimate.  But it's important to know why Obama chose a 'go along get along' attitude in a key race, and why he displays this tendency in his political instincts (Tammy Duckworth was another questionable anti-progressive choice).

Obama's campaign is impressive, and his personal charisma is remarkable.  He's certainly progressive in his policy sympathies, and he's definitely brilliant.  The question is whether he is able to follow through on a progressive politics that actually changes the rules of the game.  That's the question that Sharpton is asking - why, if you are progressive and are running on your opposition to the war, did you support the biggest warmonger in 2006?  That question, or some variant, deserves an answer, and to more than just Al Sharpton.



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One point, though... (none / 0)

  ...if Sharpton's so concerned about the war, why would he even consider supporting Hillary Clinton?

 Sharpton's points on Lieberman are well-taken, of course, but I'm looking for genuineness, not gamesmanship.

  And don't forget his concern-trolling of Dean's campaign in 2003...


by Master Jack on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:45:32 PM EST

Re: One point, though... (3.00 / 2)

At this point, I think he might be leaning towards Edwards. Am I wrong on that?


by adamterando on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:46:29 PM EST
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Re: One point, though... (none / 0)

Sharpton did really well in SC in 2004 so he will be  recruited by all of the candidates. He finished in third place ahead of Clark, Dean, and Lieberman.


     Edwards      131,174      45%    27     
      Kerry              88,508     30%    17
      Sharpton      28,201     10%    1
      Clark              21,011     7%    0
      Dean              13,815     5%    0
      Lieberman       7,147     2%    0
      Kucinich        1,319     1%    0


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by robliberal on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:58:21 PM EST
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that's in a diary I just posted (none / 0)


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by TarHeel on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:00:11 PM EST
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Re: One point, though... (none / 0)

Keep in mind, this is a primary with almost 50% African-American voters.  That's not a tremendously good showing.


by rashomon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:35:38 PM EST
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Re: One point, though... (none / 0)

"The are patriots who supported the war in Iraq and patriots who opposed the war in Iraq" - Barack Obama.

Edwards, Clinton, Dodd and Biden aren't ruled out from ever seeking public ofice. The problem with Senator Clinton is that she doesn't seem to learn from her mistakes. And that's arrogance.

Apart from Obama, the only other person sharpton could endorse is Kucinich, who's a long shot. Otherwise, he's just a joke!


by CompassionateConservative on Tue Dec 11, 2007 at 07:19:57 AM EST
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Re: One point, though... (3.00 / 1)

That would be a nice catch if he is. He has said good things about Edwards.


by okamichan13 on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:14:16 PM EST
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Re: One point, though... (3.00 / 1)

I've read repeatedly that he's leaning Edwards.


by dblhelix on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:52:30 PM EST
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who said Al will endorse Hillary? (3.00 / 1)


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:58:02 PM EST
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Re: One point, though... (none / 0)

Obama endorsed Lamont


by vamonticello on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:45:40 PM EST
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Re: One point, though... (3.00 / 1)

It was a token endorsement. He didn't WORK for him. Didn't even make an appearance. Just sent out an email.


by Master Jack on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:14:13 PM EST
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Re: One point, though... (none / 0)

He endorsed and campaigfned for Lievberman before the primary. It helps to follow politics before correcting someone else. He did a party line token endorsement for Lamont and did not campaign for him.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 01:10:09 AM EST
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Re: One point, though... (3.00 / 1)

Can you name a sitting Senator that supported Lemont before the primary?  I can't.  Sitting Senators of the same party support each other in the primaries.  As far as the General,  Reid and Schumer ordered most of the sitting Senators to stay out of the race... if Lieberman won and a lot Democrats and the DSCC actively campaigned against him, he would have caucused with the GOP and they would lose control.  Do nothing and you have a guarenteed seat, get involved and you have a 50-50 chance of losing the seat... yes it sucks, but strategically it makes sense.  


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:05:11 AM EST
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Re: One point, though... (none / 0)

Feingold did not endorse Lieberman.

And it wasn't Obama's endorsement that was the main problem, he took the trouble to campaign in person for Lieberman and his endorsement of Lamont was half hearted after the primary.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:23:12 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 1)

Al Sharpton is jealous of Obama.  Lieberman supported Obama in his senate bid.  Obama just returned the favor.  The fact that Al Sharpton does not support Obama is a GOOD thing, Sharpton supported lieberman's opponent in 2006 AND he went down in FLAMES. Hopefully Al Sharpton will make a major endorsement of Hillary.


by vamonticello on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:48:39 PM EST

so Obama is against the war.. (3.00 / 3)

...but thinks "returning a favor" to Lieberman trumps the chance to get the biggest Democratic cheerleader for the war out of the Senate?

Sounds like for Obama, the "principle" of collegiality took precedence over the principles of ending the war and holding the Bush administration accountable.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:50:19 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (1.66 / 3)

Ned Lamont LOST because of Sharptons support, The voters took a look at Al Sharpton on stage with Lamont and said NO WAY are we going to put him in the senate.......There is nothing Obama could've done to help lamont.


by vamonticello on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:53:26 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (3.00 / 2)

nice revisionist history.


by proudtobeliberal on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:56:02 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (2.33 / 6)

Yeah, that's just racism speaking.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:58:00 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (none / 0)

I don't think it's racist to say that having Sharpton on the platform primary night wasn't a good photo op.  Argue if you want about whether Sharpton helped in general (probably helped), that was just a dumb photo-op.


by rashomon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:32:13 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (none / 0)

It wasnt a photoop. Sharpton stumped for him big time before the primary. iF Lamont asked him to gfet off the stage, there would have been a backlash anyway. They would have called Lamont racist. Sharpton was MIA in the general electgion campaign and it didnt seem to help Lamont one bit.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 01:13:53 AM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (none / 0)

It wasnt a photoop. Sharpton stumped for him big time before the primary. iF Lamont asked him to gfet off the stage, there would have been a backlash anyway. They would have called Lamont racist. Sharpton was MIA in the general electgion campaign and it didnt seem to help Lamont one bit.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 01:14:12 AM EST
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Matt (3.00 / 1)

That's cheap. Sharpton has plenty of issues which can have one not respect him without dragging in the racist canard.

That's not a debate point, that's a cheap shutdown line. You're lucky I didn't give it the zero it deserved.


by ElitistJohn on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 10:00:11 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (3.00 / 1)

Matt -  Thinking Al Sharpton is toxic is not the same as racism.

Those of us who remember Al Sharpton from his start with the Tawana Brawley hoax/lie (see link below) and his infamous commercials for LoanMax, the predatory lendor, can have a hard time taking him seriously even when we think he is right.  Those two examples are some the reasons he remains so controversial today even as he has tried to go mainstream.  The whole thing about not being able to trust someone who starts a relationship off on a lie.

The question Rev Al is asking is not totally illegitimate and I like Obama.  However, it would be a lot better coming from a more credible source.

More Tawany Brawley info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Braw ley


by John Mills on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:11:36 PM EST
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you may be partially right (none / 0)

but Al Sharpton in Connecticut is not the same as Al Sharpton in South Carolina.

If Sharpton supports someone s/he will send him to south carolina, parts of Florida and have him walk the streets.


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by TarHeel on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:59:34 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (none / 0)

That is really extreme.


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by robliberal on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:03:11 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (3.00 / 1)

Al Sharpton definately helped Lamont win in the primary, where Lieberman courted his endorsement, and only labeled Sharpton 'divisive' after he began campaigning for Lamont.  Possibly Sharpton's support didn't help among the Republican's who elected Lieberman, but that hardly makes the loss SHarpton's fault.

Anyway, Obama probably has a better image among Republicans and conservative democrats than Sharpton, and so could have definately have helped.  Saying that Obama couldn't have helped because Sharpton didn't equates two very different politicians for the sole reason that they're black.  Problematic argument.


by ahkiam on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:08:28 PM EST
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Re: so Obama is against the war.. (none / 0)

Obama never said that... this guy did.  But you can't tell me if Edwards wasn't a sitting Senator he wouldn't have supported Lieberman in the primaries.  Sitting Senators protect incumbents in primaries... that is why Obama campaigned for him in the primaries.  


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:08:07 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

So we should only support winners? By that logic, Democrats should support the exhumed corpse of Ronald Reagan. That's not say I don't support exhuming Ronald Reagan's corpse, there are circumstances (normally involving me being drunk and the corpse being dumped into the Marianas trench, or the centre of the sun or somewhere similar) where I could support it, I'm just questioning your thought (processes).
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by Englishlefty on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:03:51 PM EST
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and hire Karl Rove (none / 0)


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:07:47 PM EST
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paging irate Cegelis supporters (3.00 / 1)

Writing the name "Duckworth" is like waving a red flag in front of a bull.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:48:45 PM EST

Re: paging irate Cegelis supporters (3.00 / 1)

I was glad to see Duckworth lose while Democrats won the majority.

But that was only a local race that was fucked up by Rahm and Axelrod from Day 1. The more important question is how in the hell could Obama support Lieberman?


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:57:11 PM EST
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Re: paging irate Cegelis supporters (none / 0)

BECAUSE HE WAS A SITTING SENATOR.  THEY SUPPORT EACH OTHER IN PRIMARIES.  He stayed out of it per Reid in the primaries, just like the majority of Dem senators were ordered to do.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:11:02 AM EST
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Re: paging irate Cegelis supporters (none / 0)

Explain if Obama had to play politics, then why could't he stay out of the race and just give Lieberman a nominal endorsement. And once Obama was free to endorse Lamont after the primary, why was he not enthusiastic bout it?

And you need to fess up that not every senator supported Lieberman before the primary.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:26:45 AM EST
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And you are saying... (none / 0)

that this is  something that speaks well of Ol Barrack?

This is why we have such a fucked up government. 'Folks' doing as they are told rather than what the nation needs.

I'm going to see Obama this weekend and if I get a chance I'm going to ask him why he failed to support THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANDIDATE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION BY CAMPAIGNING WITH HIM IN CT.

You Obama lovers and LiarMann concern trolls need to understand that what happened in CT was a clear indication that The 'Democrat' Party is really 'The Money Party' and that we've got to run MORE folks like Lamont and get rid of scum like Liarmann.


by Pericles on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 10:47:48 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 1)

I agree that Sharpton is a loon. I don't take him very seriously and his credibility in my eyes has been nonexistent because he refuses to apologize for the Tawana Brawley mess in which he was instrumental. But I also agree that he is raising some serious questions about Obama and should not be dismissed at hand.

But even bringing this up might piss off the Obama-for-Sainthood crowd.


by need some wood on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:50:48 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 3)

That's just wrong.  Sharpton is an important political figure, just not in your circles.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:57:33 PM EST
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my circles? (none / 0)

Um I wasn't aware I was in any "circles"...I just a private citizen expressing my view point in a blog.

I am not dismissing Sharpton or what he has to say...hence me saying that his point is very valid. But saying that Sharpton has serious credibility issues is neither wrong nor out of bounds. The facts speak for themselves.


by need some wood on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:08:53 PM EST
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Re: my circles? (3.00 / 1)

And the facts are that Sharpton's endorsement carries a lot of weight in certain Democratic primaries, so calling him a 'loon' places yourself outside an important segment of primary voters.


by ahkiam on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:11:27 PM EST
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Re: my circles? (none / 0)

if you are calling someone a loon without knowing their impact onf specific communities- then yes, you are of a particular mind set


by bruh21 on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 12:43:12 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

I'm curious as to which part is wrong (mostly because the comment's being recommended).

Sharpton is not a loon?
Sharpton has no credibility in needsomewood's eyes?
Sharpton was not intrumental in the Brawley mess?
Sharpon is not raising serious questions about Obama?

None of those things implies that he's not an important political figure. We've got plenty of credibility-free (even, I imagine, in needsomewood's eyes) loons who weren't instrumental in the Brawley mess in the most important political circles.


by BingoL on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:13:22 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

He can attract media attention, which makes him important -- but as long as he lets scummy Republican operatives run his campaigns, some progressives are going to remain cynical.


by Adam B on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:43:49 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

Sharpton is not a loon. The guy was a fucking asshole during the Tawana Brawley thing regardless of the actual truth in that matter asnd if you want to despise him for that, that's fair. He is an opportunist for sure(just like many of our politicians who are just not as blatant as he is). But to say he is looney is ridiculous. He is not someone I would count as one of the better leaders in the country. Still, the Tawana incident did less harm than the Iraq vote by many of your beloved "sane" politicians. And in recent years, he has become a better advocate for some minority causes than a showboat like Jesse Jackson whose best days have gone by. Race relations were bad and the Brawley case only made it worse, but let's not forget Bensonhurst and other crimes during that time. Race relations did not get worse because of Sharpton. Do we call GUiliani a loon for his ridiculous police state behvior during the 90s?

And if you see the way Sharpton debates people on tv shows, you can tell he is a lot more eloquent and logical on some important issues than many of your "sane" mainstream politicians. It's too bad he is an attention whore. I will give you that.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:35:04 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

Clinton and Edwards have had their positions examined by the left and right, media, and blogosphere going back a number of years. It will be interesting to see how Obama responds.


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by robliberal on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:53:47 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

People do not know shit about Hillary. When I talk to your average Hillary supporter on the sstreet, they really do it because she is Bill's wife and she was a good first lady. All her compromises in her senate career. How she did very little for other democrats in the last few years. I want to see Dem canddiates take her to task and asak her if she wants to be the representative of the Dem Party for the general election, and wants to lead this country, why didnt she act like a leader and fight harder in 2004 to get rid of Bush. If she is a true patriot, shouldn't she have been fighting to get rid of this guy? Or did she lie low to further her political prospects ?

She hasn't really been examined in the mainstream to a great extent. All the stuff about her is trivial petty shit. The republicans have made it easy for Hillary with their ridiculous accusations about the Clintons in the lasst 14 years. Even the MSM has helped their cause ironically with their petty attacks on the Clintons marriage and other minor issues. It lets her off the hook because anytime someone attacks her , people tune it out thinking it is just another baseless attack.  

I would like to see if Obama has the guts to get Hillary to open up about her positions and why she made certain decisions in the last few years. If Obama going to play it too safe and continues his Martyball, Hlllary is going to beat him easy.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:54:19 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)


by aldon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:04:30 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

Can someone say "Sister Soulja"?  Sharpton can't even get a Democrat elected Mayor of New York City, so why would Obama give a rat's ass about his opinion?  


by Steve Smith on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:11:50 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 2)

I don't know, but you ought to ask Obama, since he's pursuing his endorsement.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:18:27 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

I seriously doubt that.  What gives you the idea that Obama is looking for Sharpton's endorsement?  Because Sharpton says so?


by rashomon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:33:42 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

uhm- he would be incredibly dumb not to obtain the support of people like sharpton since an Obama win at the primaries would require the AA vote, and thats going to be crucial in places like the South and in the NE where Sharpton has pull amongst Democratic AA primary voters. You don't have to like him to aknowledge his power to influence a key constituency.


by bruh21 on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 12:45:26 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

How is he pursuing his endorsement? Is this on the record? Or per NY POST?


by Benstrader on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:48:29 PM EST
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he could assure (3.00 / 1)

Obama 90% of the black vote in SC if both worked for it


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by TarHeel on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:22:52 PM EST
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Huh? (none / 0)

Didn't Sharpton endorse Bloomberg?


by delmoi on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 12:13:43 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

Because Obama would be stupid to alienate a leader for no reason when he is trying to lock up the black vote. Sharpton doesnt hold sway over many blacks, but he still has a strong voice in the community. If Obama is going to try to attract crossover votes, why not suck it up and play the same game with Sharpton and humor him?
Sharpton, for all his attention whoring, can bring up more important issues compared to AIPAC.

by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:37:54 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

Does anyone know when Obama was in CT supporting Lieberman?  That I would love to have a tape of.


by orion1 on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:15:16 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 1)

I believe it was at the Jefferson-Jackson-Bailey dinner in March 06.  Obama was the keynoter:

When Obama took the stage, I had to stand up to watch the audience's reactions. Obama brought up Joe's name and the place booed him again but unlike the other times, this round of boos where pretty loud. And this point, Obama brought up the fact (which was pretty obvious) that there were a number of people in the crowd who didn't care too much for Joe. Obama stated that although he didn't agree with every one of Joe's positions, he felt that Joe was a good person. It was ironic that Obama said this because in his very next sentence, Obama went off and bashed the Bush administration over the war. The funny part was when he mocked the Bush administration's claim about the amount of people in Iraq using cell phones being an indicator that the US is doing good things in Iraq. It's funny because it was Lieberman who first made that comment, not the administration.

Overall, Obama's speech was pretty good and it really energized the crowd but it had one more boo moment. At the end of his speech, Obama told the audience to support the Democrats and re-elect Lieberman to the senate. Well, the people in the audience weren't so psyched about hearing Lieberman's name and booed Joe again at which point, Obama basically said "good night" and promptly left the stage.

This account includes video of Obama speaking.


by KimPossible on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:24:53 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

I just saw the video....Obama was not booed.


by vamonticello on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:34:54 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

lieberman's name was booed.. and obama was booed when he TALKED about lieberman


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:40:15 PM EST
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And then after the primary... (none / 0)

...Obama endorsed Lamont


by faithfull on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:41:43 PM EST
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And as Tim Tagaris revealed after the election... (none / 0)

Obama was the biggest disappointment of any Democratic official.

BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT.

And I say this as someone who may still end up voting for him in the primary.  But let's not whitewash history here and pretend he was something he wasn't.

Yes, he endorsed Lamont, but seemed to do everything he could to make it as weak as possible.  You have to ask why he went to those lengths, even having his staff lie about the e-mail list and making the Lamont campaign look like liars.


by BruinKid on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:41:23 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

I watched the video of Dean in Iowa and his scream was much louder than anything else in the whole room.

I was at the JJB in CT and I heard the boos for Obama.

That said, I don't think Obama's support of Lieberman before the primary and tepid support for Lamont afterwards is all that important.  I like Obama.  I don't like his position on Tort Reform and Sharpton is right to criticize Obama on that, but then there are things I dislike about every candidate.


by aldon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:49:25 PM EST
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but that's idiocy (none / 0)

"tort reform, which hurts police brutality victims."

Nothing about the Class Action Fairness Act which Obama supported has anything to do with police brutality suits, and I can't think of anything Obama else has done in Congress on the subject.

Of course, in Springfield, Obama pushed through legislation which now requires the recording of interrogations in all capital cases, which greatly ensures such defendants are treated humanely.


by Adam B on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:22:53 PM EST
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Re: but that's idiocy (none / 0)

Adam, are you arguing that CAFA is the only tort reform that Obama supports?  If so, I would like substantiation of that.  It seems to run counter to his quote to the Chicago Automobile Trade Association "Anyone who denies there's a crisis with medical malpractice insurance is probably a trial lawyer."  (Ref OverLawyered)

Granted CAFA isn't supposed to have anything to do with police brutality suits, but then again I doubt people that supported Sarbanes Oxley ever thought it would be used against lawyers representing churches.

While CAFA may have little to do with police brutality, other efforts at tort reform, such as the Federal Consent Decree Fairness Act, which died in Congress was widely viewed as hurting police brutality victims.  

For example, see Human Rights News Letter Opposing Consent Decree Fairness Act.

Whether or not specific pro-tort reform bills that Sen. Obama voted for could be used to directly hurt police brutality victims, it appears as if his stance on Tort Reform is too close to that of the Bush administration for my liking.


by aldon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:59:42 PM EST
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Re: but that's idiocy (none / 0)

Med mal has nothing to do with police brutality. Obama didn't support the Consent Decree Fairness Act, so far as I can tell -- only BNelson and Pryor were Dem co-sponsors.  

People can legitimately criticize his support of CAFA, though as someone who's lawyered on both sides I think it was a good bill, on balance.  I just think Sharpton threw this particular accusation out there without any basis.


by Adam B on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 10:13:36 PM EST
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MedMal <2% of health care costs (none / 0)

used as a republican scape goat..

going after medmal or electronic billing is a tiny insignificant part of dealing with healthcare reform


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by TarHeel on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 08:10:48 AM EST
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Re: MedMal &lt;2% of health care costs (none / 0)

Sure.  But I'll just note Obama's saying that the insurance is a problem; I haven't seen a quote in which he alleges malpractice law needs changing.


by Adam B on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 08:17:21 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (2.00 / 2)

Since 2004 Al Sharpton CHEATED on his wife and got a divorce.....let him endorse Hillary.....she will automatically LOSE support.


by vamonticello on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:18:55 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 1)

wow... hmmm, thats a bit hard to respond to


by okamichan13 on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:33:39 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 2)

You're picking the wrong fight here if you want to convince anybody to support Obama by going negative on Al Sharpton. He has serious progressive cred and ability to inspire.
His performance at the 2004 convention earned him everlasting appreciation from those of us who are pissed about what is happening to the country. He was the only speaker to defy the happy talk directive from Bob Shrum central and tell it like it was (and is).
I was 10 feet from the stage the night Lamont won the primary and, personally, it was as big a thrill to see Sharpton on stage as it was to see Ned.
by johnalive on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:22:08 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

Seriously, I'm an Obama supporter and you are starting to piss me off.  Stop wasting our time posting idiotic posts.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:14:56 AM EST
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My two cents about Sharpton ( and the blank post) (3.00 / 1)

Okay.  I meant to hit 'Rate All' instead of Post.  Sorry.  Can I delete my blank comment?  If so, how?

Anyway, on to Sharpton.  I lived in New York City in the 1980s and at the time I viewed Sharpton as a lose cannon and a bit of a nut.

Then, in 2004 when I was blogging the Democratic National Convention, we got all of the prepared speeches ahead of time.  You could read them, word for word along with the speaker on the stage.  Until Sharpton got up to speak.

I looked at his prepared text, and I listened to what he said.  They were completely different.  I thought maybe he was ad libbing for a little bit and would get to the speech.  When he had finished speaking, well over the alloted time, he hadn't said anything from the prepared speech.

A friend IMed me saying, after that speech, he could forgive Sharpton for his role in Tawana Brawley affair.  I have to agree.  The Sharpton that I saw in 2004 and then again is 2006 is brilliant.

When Sharpton came to campaign for Ned in 2006, my wife was Ned's scheduler and she ended up hanging out with Sharpton in Bridgeport.  Al Sharpton delivered an incredible speech at the Mt. Airy Church in Bridgeport Connecticut, and I'm convinced that his campaigning for Ned was a big help in Ned winning the primary.

Yeah, the Republicans stirred up some racism in Connecticut early in the general election after that, and it appears as if there are some people who want to repeat Republican talking points here as well.

Personally, I don't like to see Democrats attacking Democrats.  We need to save our attacks for the Republicans.  That said, I think challenging Tort Reform is within bounds.  In 2004, there were about 17,000 alcohol related fatalities.  Yet a study of preventable medical errors in hospitals, in 1999 estimated 44,000 to 99,000 patient deaths.

I'm not saying that malpractice cases are an effective deterrent to preventable medical errors, but I think it is fair to say that if we want to improve our health care, Tort Reform is really the wrong approach.

Yeah, Sharpton has some fiery speeches, but they are on the money and we should be listening more closely to what he says.

But then again, as I note in the title of this comment, that's just my two cents.


by aldon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:30:40 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

A lot of people wanted Obama on the ground in Connecticut to campaign with Lamont.  He did not go to Connecticut at all, for either Lieberman or Lamont, but after MUCH persuasion, he did send out a fundraising email.  However, I do believe Barbara Boxer actually went to campaign with Lieberman.  What does that say about her progressive politics and instincts?  

http://nedlamont.com/blog/1976/barack-ob ama-writes-emails

Barack Obama Writes Emails

(Barack Obama sent out an email to his CT list supporting Ned Lamont earlier today - Tim)

Ned Lamont has waged an impressive grassroots campaign to give the people of Connecticut a choice in the November Senate election. He has a vision for his state and country, and his campaign has been about presenting that vision to Connecticut voters.

Ned Lamont and I share a commitment to bringing our troops home safely from Iraq, to achieving energy independence, to helping all our citizens realize the American dream, and to empowering the American people to reclaim their government. Ned Lamont's campaign is about delivering on these goals in Washington.

The November 7th election is right around the corner. Please join me in supporting Ned Lamont with your hard work on-the-ground in these closing weeks of the campaign.

http://www.nedlamont.com/downthestretch

We all watched Ned's improbable primary victory two months ago. His campaign generated a record turnout that saw 30,000 new Democrats vote to change course at home and abroad.

Ned earned the Democratic Senate nomination through his hard work and clear message. And his victory paved the way for an entire crop of Democratic challengers to stand up and fight for the common good. Today the candidacies of Diane Farrell, Joe Courtney and Chris Murphy are integral to the Democrats' strategy to regain the majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.

A majority of Connecticut Democrats supported Ned Lamont in the August primary. I hope they will see this impressive movement through to the end by volunteering their time with Ned in these next two weeks.

http://www.nedlamont.com/downthestretch

Sincerely,

U.S. Senator Barack Obama


by jg40 on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:30:49 PM EST

Obama's endorsed Ned Lamont (none / 0)

Read it on Lamont's blog.

Obama supported the Democrat Ned Lamont.

Ned Lamont has waged an impressive grassroots campaign to give the people of Connecticut a choice in the November Senate election. He has a vision for his state and country, and his campaign has been about presenting that vision to Connecticut voters.

Ned Lamont and I share a commitment to bringing our troops home safely from Iraq, to achieving energy independence, to helping all our citizens realize the American dream, and to empowering the American people to reclaim their government. Ned Lamont's campaign is about delivering on these goals in Washington.

The November 7th election is right around the corner. Please join me in supporting Ned Lamont with your hard work on-the-ground in these closing weeks of the campaign.

http://www.nedlamont.com/downthestretch

We all watched Ned's improbable primary victory two months ago. His campaign generated a record turnout that saw 30,000 new Democrats vote to change course at home and abroad.

Ned earned the Democratic Senate nomination through his hard work and clear message. And his victory paved the way for an entire crop of Democratic challengers to stand up and fight for the common good. Today the candidacies of Diane Farrell, Joe Courtney and Chris Murphy are integral to the Democrats' strategy to regain the majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.

A majority of Connecticut Democrats supported Ned Lamont in the August primary. I hope they will see this impressive movement through to the end by volunteering their time with Ned in these next two weeks.

http://www.nedlamont.com/downthestretch

Sincerely,

U.S. Senator Barack Obama

Now repeat after me...
Obama supported the Democrat Ned Lamont.

Obama supported the Democrat Ned Lamont.

Obama supported the Democrat Ned Lamont.

Obama supported the Democrat Ned Lamont.

Obama supported the Democrat Ned Lamont.

Obama supported the Democrat Ned Lamont.

Oh yeah, and Obama's "Hopefund" sent Ned Lamont $5,000.


by faithfull on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:40:50 PM EST

Re: Obama's endorsed Ned Lamont (3.00 / 1)

You're not telling the whole story. Here's an account from Tim Tagaris who worked on Ned Lamont's campaign:

Barack Obama
Quite possibly the biggest disappointment ... period.

While on his book tour, he was in NYC one day, had a scheduled day off, and appeared in Massachusetts the following day.  Yet he couldn't make time to stop in the state between the two on his day off.  We made it explicitly clear he was the single senator we wanted in the state above all others.

He declined.

Eventually, we asked Senator Obama to send out an email for the campaign to his Connecticut list.  We created a culture in which emails became news (much like we did with the blogs in the primary).  They made it entirely clear that he would basically not even mention Joe Lieberman's name in the email, let alone take him to task for his unfortunate position on the war in Iraq.  This was disappointing, but I wasn't going to be spiteful.  They sent the email, and as I hoped, the press came calling.  Our Press Secretary, Eddie Vale, was asked how many people the email went to.  He looked on the back-end of the website and saw the number of click-throughs to the landing page I created.  He answered "about 5,000."  Within minutes of the Associated Press piece going on the wire, I received several phone calls from Obama staff.  They were none to pleased about the 5,000 number.  Essentially, Obama could be seen as helping, but not helping THAT much.  His staff apparently made it clear that the email only went out to 225 people in Connecticut.  That's it.  The next day we were subject to a correction in the papers and ridicule from Lieberman's campaign and corners of the right-wing blogosphere.

It's also important to note that Obama's email came only after a tremendous amount of pressure built up from portions of various online communities who "threatened" in behind-the-scenes conversations and open discussions online that support for Lamont would be viewed as a part of a "presidential checklist."

Everyone should also know that Robert Gibbs, part of the group that ran the infamous Dean/Osama ad during Iowa 2004, is now Barack Obama's Communications Director.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/14 /122820/27


by proudtobeliberal on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:03:26 PM EST
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Yeah...Obama didn't do enough for my guy either (none / 0)

Wah.

He supported Lamont. Of course people, myself included, wanted Obama to do MORE for Lamont.

Obama campaigned for dozens of Democrats all across the country, and he was EVERYONE's #1 guy to have come and campaign and raise money.

Gibbs has worked with Obama since 04, and that (patently disgusting) ad can be traced back to almost anyone in Democratic politics, including John Kerry and Al Gore and Richard Gephardt and Wesley Clark. See www.progressivevalues.com, their old website.


by faithfull on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:42:29 PM EST
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Re: Yeah...Obama didn't do enough for my guy... (none / 0)

aww here's a tissue for your hertfelt tears.


by proudtobeliberal on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:55 PM EST
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Re: Obama's endorsed Ned Lamont (none / 0)

I just wish folks could let go of the Lamont thing.  It was extremely disappointing to see him lose, but I don't see why it's continuing to be such a sore spot.  I suppose it's hard for folks who invested so much time, energy and financial support to see the chance to kill off Lieberman go up in smoke.

FWIW...I think that Lamont lost the general when he went on vacation right after the primary.  He should have driven a stake through Lieberman right then and there.  Once it became clear that Lieberman wasn't going to drop out (and the Repubs insisted on a totally crappy candidate), it was going to be very difficult.


by rashomon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:54:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama's endorsed Ned Lamont (none / 0)

Oh, yes! Ned "Vacation" Lamont.

When he went on holiday he let Lieberman set the agenda and Lamont never recovered.

Case closed.


"If you vote between the lesser of two evils, you're still stuck with evil." - Aaron MacGruder
by Nedsdag on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 12:10:51 AM EST
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Re: Obama's endorsed Ned Lamont (none / 0)

Was that agreement or sarcasm?


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:19:55 AM EST
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Obama supporters go on and on (none / 0)

about how Obama has been right about Iraq from day one.

Yet when Obama had the chance to show how important this issue was to him, he endorsed Lieberman in the primary and barely lifted a finger for Lamont in the general.

Collegiality in the Senate was more important to Obama than sending a powerful message about ditching the number one Democratic cheerleader for the war.

That's why people are pissed off about it.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 12:35:37 AM EST
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Re: Obama supporters go on and on (none / 0)

Obama has still been right about the war since day 1

He just backed the wrong candidate in the primary, and supported the right one in the general.


by faithfull on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 01:40:04 AM EST
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Re: Obama supporters go on and on (none / 0)

TO be fair, it seems a small minority is pissed off about it.  If a lot of people were pissed, Obama would not be doing as well as he is, he'd be down in Dodd and Biden territory in polls.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:21:04 AM EST
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Re: Obama's endorsed Ned Lamont (none / 0)

Apparently you haven't seen people get going about the attack on Dean toward the end of 2003, early 2004.  SOme poeple on here can hold a grudge for a long time.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:18:33 AM EST
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Re: Obama's endorsed Ned Lamont (none / 0)

I ddidnt like Sharpton's attack on Dean back then. But I have to be objective and not be dismissive of this guy relative to other politicians. Everything gets graded on a curve and Sharpton come out better than quite a few so called respectable politicians in the last few years. At least for me.


by Pravin on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:42:42 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 1)

What is not mentioned is the leadership war between sharpton, who is an opportunist, against jesse jackson, who is a friend of obama's from chicago.
jackson jr. endorsed Obama and jackson Sr., daughter has been best friends with obama's wife, michelle, since grade school.
Jackson and sharpton have a rivalry in which Sharpton wants to be the voice of the African American community.
He also wants everyone to kiss his feet and bend over backwards for him.
Since obama is close to jackson and his son and Sharpton wanted to run again this time he is being a baby and spouting off.
Politics being politics.
by vwcat on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 08:54:21 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: (3.00 / 4)

I don't think Sharpton wants to speak for THE Black community, Sharpton wants to and speaks for a particular segment of the Black community.  If Sharpton runs, the same segment of the Black community who supported him against Kerry and Edwards, will support him against Hillary, Obama, et al.  Obama does not want to speak for the Black community either, that is the last thing he wants his campaign to be.  He does however recognize that Al Sharpton has a voice within the Black community and having his support would give him credibility with the segment that Al represents.  To label Sharpton as an opportunist, but Jackson as a "friend of Obama's" is interesting, since Jesse and son seem to be the ones latched tightly to Obama's coattails.  I am not really a fan of Al Sharpton, but I think it is foolish to dismiss his concerns as jealousy.  From what I've seen of the comments about Obama, even with his extensive support, he is still a quandry to many here in the netroots.  There is a hope that he will be this transforming figure in American politics, but he is still an unknown entity.  If you all have questions, why shouldn't Al?


by Kingstongirl on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 10:07:21 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: (none / 0)

Yet he (along with Edwards) seems to be the consensus first or second choice for a majority on here.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:23:20 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: (none / 0)

But questions should always be asked... it is our duty to do so.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 02:23:50 AM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 2)

I'm surprised at all the invective spewed against Sharpton. He's been one of the most vocal and well-spoken opponents of the war and against Bush policies (the whole range not just the war). He was great in the 2004 presidential debates.


by okamichan13 on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:02:10 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

You shouldn't be.  I would be surprised if a poll of Dem primary voters had a net positive rating for Sharpton.  He did a good job in 2004 improving his reputation, IMHO, but I think he wanted to run again in 2008 and Obama's sucking the oxygen out of that.


by rashomon on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:40:35 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 1)

I dont see Obama running affects Shapton deciding to run or not. He wasn't expecting to win last time and wouldnt be this time. If he did run, it would be for the same reasons as last - not to win but to put more focus on urban issues and areas that don't get talked about much.


by okamichan13 on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 11:29:10 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 2)

Sharpton has continuously questioned Obama's dedication to an "urban agenda."  Sharpton is one of many progressives who view the Obama candidacy as a celebrity campaign that is light on substance and heavy on style.

"Where's the meat?  I see the sizzle, but that's just fat... where's the meat?"

And no, I don't think Sharpton asked that because he was hungry.  Of the major candidates, John Edwards has presented the most specific policies.  His focus on poverty and health care is closer to an "urban agenda" than anything Obama has proposed so far.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:02:30 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

An answer to one question about Obama. He had some loyalty to Lieberman because Lieberman was assigned as his mentor when he was a freshman senator.

every member of congress gets a mentor. It would be useful to identify the mentors for every member of congress.


by robkall on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:27:22 PM EST

Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (none / 0)

Obama supported Lieberman, his mentor, in the primary, then Lamont, in the general. Maybe some wish he had done more for Lamont... I do... But I do not think that Obama would have turned the race.

But here is my question... if Obama is out for Sharpton's endorsement, why would anyone think a leaked story to the Post that Sharpton is jealous would make Sharpton more likely to endorse him?

And why is Sharpton given such a pass when breaking the 11th commandment? Why does he have such animosity toward  Obama?


by Benstrader on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 09:47:43 PM EST
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Re: Sharpton-Obama: What does Lieberman mean? (3.00 / 2)

Oh god, not "robcentrist" again.  Great, with only one hand able to type (hurt shoulder and neck) and my fingers hurting from setting "rob" straigh yesterday I have to once again deal with the forces of mealy mouthed moderation that seek to castrate the Democratic Party.  A donkey without it's balls is...uh...an unhappy donkey!I

I like Obama. He is clearly my second favorite choice (actually my second choice is Mike Gravel because his $250 suit kicks ass and he says he can win with $10,000, plus he's nuckin' futz)  But look at the motivation for some of the positions he's taken.  

TORT REFORM - This is not a small issue.  The GOP is trying to use this issue to psuj for coporations and other entities to have limited responsiblity when they damage not only the environment but also human beings.  Obama voted this way for one reason.  It was repeatedly reproted and leaked by his staff that he voted this wau to show that he is "NOT BEHOLDEN TO THE PROPRESSIVE WING OF THE PARTY".  I remeber hearing about this and reading about it because it showed that maybe progressives were losing the fight for Barack Obama's political soul.

IRAQ- Once again, look at his motivation.  He backs down whenever the GOP threatens using the "L" word against him.  Watch his speech at the DNC winter meeting.  He starts to say something about the "liberal" label and then he stops himself.  It is towards the beginning.  Back to Iraq.  It is not just that he endorsed Lieberman it is how he did it.  He used the whole "don't be liberal" crap against fellow Democrats.  He said "I hope you have the good sense to re-elect Joe Lieberman."  You head it.  "Good sense".  As in "let's be sensible Democrats".  As in "voting for the Iraw War Resolution just gave the president authority, is is the SENSIBLE thing to do".  What a bunch of crap.  Also look at Obama anf Clinton vs. Edwards on Iraq post 2005.  Edwards was vocal in (and took a hit for)the Feingold Ammendment.  He supported Reed-Levin as well but thought Feingold's ammendment was the better of the two.  But Obama's staff made it clear that (like Hillary) he would vote only for Reed-Levin.  You want to guess why?  Once again he wanted to show his independence from our wing of the party.  Those behind the Draft Obama movement even sited this gutless vote as proof that he should be nominated! Huh?  He got the war right at the start.  Edwards did not.  But at least after the truth was 100% crystal clear to the entire world and there is no reason or excuse to avoid the truth Edwards has come around and been most vocal about the war.  Obama has backed down, even though time has proved he was right on the money, at the start.  I'm afraid that what we are witnessing is not the audacity of hope but the audacity of Barack Obama and his D.C. advisors that show that the Capitol Hill has had more effect on Obama than he has had on Capitol Hill.  Sharpton is not given enough credit.  he is right more often than he is given credit for, and he is great in a debate setting.  You can put him against Pat Buchanon, like when they talked about the war in lebanon and although Buchanon knew the names of every one involved and the year they were born and their favorite color Sharpton easily won the debate based on a simple truth, that unnecessary war is a moral outrage.  sharpton ahs a good point about Lieberman.  I will stand up for Obama for a second and point out that new Senators are assigned "mentors" so though Lieberman was his "mentor" Obama's true mentor, if he has one, is Senator Dick Durbin.  however Obama did fail the test with Obama.  So he eventually endorsed Lamont.  So what?  He was considering running for the presidency then (albeit quietly) and he knew that if he didn't he wouldn't get support from people who repeat that Obama endorsed Lamont in the end and think that's enough.  So Obama sent out a damn e-mail that he didn;t even write, big deal.  The election in CT was partly over Lieberman's Democratic credibility.  Bill Clinton kept him from getting destroyed in the primary. Obama was next door to CT and could have campaigned for Lamont, that would have hurt Lieberman's credentials in CT, but Obama didn't even though he had the day off.  Contrast that with Edwards.  He never endorsed Lieberman.  Then when Lamont won Edwards was the first major Dem to campaign for him.  I beleive he came back a second time as well.  Lastly look at Obama and the surge?  Why the hell does he always stop short of calling for cutting back the funding for the surge?  He is being hyper-political on his position on the war.  This is just like when he stopped short of saying that Bush's warrant free wiretapping was "illegal".  Edwards was asked the same question and he answered the question in one word - "Yes".  Talking about hope and a "new kind of politics" is great but hope only comes if you know that circumstances will change.  Edwards is far more willing to take action, and Obama is probably familiar with the scripture that says that "faith without works is dead".  Hope alone is not enough.  And D.C. pols are not going to all of a sudden embrace eachother if Obama wins.  If fact he has given the GOP a huge weapon to use against him.  Everytime he doesn't do what they want he will be hit with being a hypocrite.  Obama is obsessed with "consensus".  What we ned ar consensus builders, those who will boldly communicate our values and positions, build the party and fuel progressive policy. Obama has falled into the trap of accepting the conventional political wisdom.  He sold out on the warrantless wiretappin and he looks like he will do it again.  Polls about the issue were split, yet Obama backed down.  Am I being hard on him? Maybe a little.  But talking about how the whole red state / blue state thing is ridiculous, saying the word "hope" 3 times in every paragraph, and giving "on the one hand, on the other hand answers" about every issue under the sun is just not enough.  And those who dismiss his "sistah souljah" moment with Daily Kos ignore how out of his way he went to bring up the most well known "liberal" blog.  He said that he never reads anything that surprises him on Daily Kos.  It is a progressive blog.  If he wants spineless calculation when it comes to the biggest moral issue of our generation (Iraq), a Democratic leader trying to woo big business donors (like when they write in the Chicago Tribune about how they wish they could have voted for CAFTA, or when they vote for tort reform), and a Democratic leader who backs down from protecting civil liberties then he should look to his own voting record for the "surprises" he seeks.  Sure he had a lot of pressure on him early on.  But this is no way to handle it.  One more thing on tort reform, while frivolous lawsuits do exist they can be dealt with without taking awa the ability of truly wronged parties to be compensated.  It's about accountability.  Also anyone who brings up Iran should note that Edwards and Obama have identical positions.  Read Edwards in depth interview with Ezra Klein or watch his appearance on Meet the Press (as well as his appearnce on the Situation Room during the fighting in Lebanon, before the whole spat over his Iran remarks) and you will see that his position is consistent and that he has always called for the very sticks and carrots approach that progressive foreign policy voices have called for.  His suppot for Jim Webb's legislation is further proof of that.  Edwards got the war wrong in 2002 - mid 2005.  But who is getting it wrong right now?  We passed the point of no excuses.  While Edwards bucked his advisors and admitted his mistake Obama lets ex-Gephard and Daschle advisors (who already failed when their original bosses tried for, or thought about trying for, the White House) push him around.  This will piss some of you off but Barack Obama has lost a lot about what made us all love him in the first place. We all thought "future two term president" when he spoke at the DNC convention in 2004.  But Obama circa 2008 is not ready. He has not shown the ability to take the action this country needs.
I "hope" he comes around and I "hope" that in the by in 2016 either Obama or Deval Patrick (if they are the best candidates, and it looks like, except for Elliot Spitzer they just might be, although it's a long way away)become the first African American president because our country needs that wrong to be righted.  But more than we need history to be made we need historic change.  Edwards is the candidate of transformational change.  Change for all Americans of every color, gender, faith, and race.  Sharpton is speaking about his search for the candidate who will do that.  Two things need to happen in respect to the disaster in Iraq. 1 - It needs to end.  And Edwards is the candidate who has been most vocal about that.  If you listen to his plan he includes safe guards so that the Republicans can't pull the whole "the country will go to the terrorists" crap.  Our presence is an irritant there, we need to leave, and Edwards is shaping the debate on why and how we need to get out while Obama uses such an important issue to moderate himself. 2 - The war needs to be remembered as a mistake.  For the history books and for future generations.  Vietnam and Iraq were way too close to each other.  Our