New Nevada Poll

The results, courtesy of KRNV in Reno:

Total Men Women
Clinton 32 28 36
Obama 20 24 16
Edwards 11 9 13
Gore 11 13 9
Richardson 2 3 1
Clark 2 3 1
Gravel 1 1 1
Kucinich 1 1 1
Dodd 1 1 1
Biden 1 1 1
Undecided 18 16 20

The listed margin of error under the Democratic results is plus or minus four percent, a figure that would seem surprisingly low for likely Democratic caucus-goers (who almost certainly make up less than 5 percent of the state's population), leading me to believe that either a) this poll was of Democrats, not likely Democratic caucus-goers, and/or b) the margin of error was for the poll as a whole, not likely Democratic caucus-goers, leaving the margin of error for likely Democratic caucus-goers significantly higher (perhaps so high that it would be wrong to draw a conclusion from the poll). Then again, I could be wrong; I'm going off of my gut analysis in the absence of more detail on the television station's website.



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Hmm. (none / 0)

This is consistent with my cynical counter-theory on the Edwards debate thing -- he had decided that, despite his union strength, he actually wasn't going to be competitive in NV anyway, and had SC as a backstop after NH, such that opting out of the Fox debate was an easy decision to skip something in a state that wasn't going to much matter to him anyway.


by Adam B on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:24:44 PM EST

Labor hasn't endorsed yet (none / 0)

Until they do, the numbers won't move.
Labor will endorse Edwards and then his numbers will show movement in NV.
by raddude on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 03:23:05 AM EST
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Well, here's the other thing (none / 0)

Today's WaPo:

Last week, Edwards announced he would not participate in a Nevada Democratic debate, co-sponsored by Fox News, which Net-roots activists had been asking the candidates to boycott. His decision was made public in an e-mail from senior campaign adviser Jonathan Prince to the Daily Kos, one of the most prominent liberal blogs.

The debate, scheduled for August, was canceled Friday.

In the interview, Edwards said the activists' concerns had no influence on his decision. "I saw the list of debates that we had and the list of things we're doing specific in Nevada, and I said, 'Why are we doing Fox?' I said, 'No, tell them no.' " Asked whether he knew about the bloggers' concerns, Edwards said, "I didn't personally know, no."

He called on Saturday to say: "The correct answer to that is I was generically aware that the Net-roots hates Fox. I did not know about any specific activity about this."


by Adam B on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 08:40:05 AM EST
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Re: Well, here's the other thing (none / 0)

And??


by adamterando on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 09:05:44 AM EST
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It's just weird to take it as a netroots victory, given that.


by Adam B on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 02:11:11 PM EST
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Re: Well, here's the other thing (none / 0)

Well I think it says something about Edwards himself that he made this decision without first needing pressure from us in order for him to decide to opt out. He already got the problem with Fox. He didn't  people on blogs to tell him there was a problem there.  


by adamterando on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 02:29:44 PM EST
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Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

I stopped paying attention to polls that feature contenders that have not even announced they are running. This is what I call a "wishful thinking" poll. Are there any Nevada polls that do not feature Al Gore?

I love the guy, but I can't this poll seriously when he's in it.


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:39:01 PM EST

Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

TAKE.

;p


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:39:41 PM EST

Re: 2008 NV Poll (none / 0)

I'm damn sure that this is not a poll that accurately questioned the correct voters (ones that will show up to the Nevada caucus).  The attendance will be very low, even compared to Iowa.

If someone can get conduct a poll that asks 1) how likely are you to attend the 2008 caucus? AND 2) did you attend the 2004 cacus?, THEN I'll believe the numbers.  Good luck to anyone who tries though... it would be very difficult.

This looks like a poll of regsitered Dems in Nevada.  I don't concede that Hillary is probably leading among regsitered Dems.  Also, I happen to believe that Obama is #2 and Edwards #3.  That fits pretty well.  I don't like that they've included Gore because the chance of him entering seems remote now, in my opinion.


by mbcarl on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:42:19 PM EST

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It's not surprising that Nevada polls would look similar to national polls this far out.  Nevadans aren't used to taking a harder look at the candidates like Iowans and NH'ers are, though I'm confident they'll learn.  I'd bet Nevada polls will start to take on unique numbers sometime next fall/winter when they realize how important their caucus will be.


by dbeard115 on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:44:57 PM EST

Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

Anyone know why Edwards is the only man that has the support of more women than men?


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:47:05 PM EST

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He's cute?

Again, this poll should not be taken seriously. Al Gore is in it and when you look at the numbers and the demographics, it's clear that they would have chooses Obama or Edwards if Gore was not on that list.


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:50:48 PM EST
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Re: New Nevada Poll (3.00 / 1)

Most polls have shown the contrary, without Gore in the race much of the support goes to Clinton.


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by robliberal on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 11:00:49 PM EST
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Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

That almost always happens.  The frontrunner gets the most, then the one in second, etc, unless something is really changing in the race.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 12:29:19 AM EST
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Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

My Grammar sucks tonight. I should not have had wine with dinner.

Sorry. (lol)


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:52:17 PM EST

Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

This poll is worthless.

From the Reno Gazette-Journal which cosponsored the poll with KNRV:

The poll, conducted by Research 2000 from March 6-8, polled 600 voters statewide who vote regularly in state elections. The poll consisted of 240 Democrats, 246 Republicans and 114 independents. Of those surveyed, 306 were women and 294 men. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

I forget the calculation but the MoE among Democrats  is much higher, given these numbers, than +/- 4%.


by chicago jeff on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 08:40:39 PM EST

Horribly, Hopelessly Useless (none / 0)

How can you try and determine this thing if over half the sample are republicans or independents who have no say in the caucus?

Please someone, find the Fox News connection to this poll so it can be flushed down the memory hole.


Mark Adams, Dispassionate Liberal
by Mark Adams on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 08:51:07 PM EST
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Yes KRNV did a horrible job, but it's not possible to do a valid poll of Nev. in March 2007.  Who will show up to the caucus?  The supporters of the candidate whose campaign gets them to the precinct meetings.  It's going to be all about organization.


by McFrederick on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 10:24:27 PM EST

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Of course it's valid -- it's valid for what it purports to measure: preferences among Dems as of March 2007.  It doesn't claim to predict the future, nor can it.


by Adam B on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 12:05:54 AM EST
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Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

NOW I am absolutely certain that most pollsters and operatives that listen to polls (not to mention pundits) have no idea WTF they are doing.

Not polling likely caucus-goers?  That's f'ing amateur!

And again, polling like this does not factor in organization, second choices, and those whom those polled will not support - very important in caucus states.  It's like the polling outfits and commissioners have no idea how politics works.

Warning to pundits who cite polls like this: come across as a moron at your own risk!


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by Peter from WI on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 11:30:24 PM EST

Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

This poll is meaningless..........

Do state delegates believe Hillary is electable?

As we know, John Edwards is the only electable candidate in our democratic field.


by Djneedle83 on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 12:16:10 AM EST

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As a fellow Edwards supporter, that's bs.  Any of our top contenders could beat any Republican candidate.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 12:27:53 AM EST
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Edwards ranks a distant third behind Clinton and Obama in most states. In general election matchups all 3 do well against most GOP nominees except the mayor.


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by robliberal on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 12:33:02 AM EST
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All three do well against all the Republicans.  They just don't beat Giuliani all the time.  Sometimes they do.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 12:45:09 AM EST
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Re: New Nevada Poll (none / 0)

My instinct is the caucus support is much closer than that among Hillary, Obama and Edwards. I would ignore this as a caucus poll and take it as more of a statewide poll of overall preference.

Actually, by far the most interesting aspect is the crosstabs of the hypothetical presidential matchups. Hillary is much weaker than Obama among both women and independents, when matched up against McCain or Guiliani. Edwards doesn't fare particularly well in those head-to-head general election matchups, roughly the same as Hillary.  


by Gary Kilbride on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 05:54:17 AM EST

Let me link to what I referred to (none / 0)

Otherwise it takes a couple of clicks on that site. These are numbers from hypothetical Nevada matchups of Hillary, Obama, Edwards and Gore against McCain and Guiliani, broken down by category:

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6 204732


by Gary Kilbride on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 06:03:12 AM EST
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