Can We Stop Talking About the White Guy, the Black Guy, the Hispanic Guy, and the Woman?

[Cross-posted from ProgressiveHistorians.  Image courtesy Eastern New Mexico University.]

You know, John Edwards, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, and Hillary Clinton.

Of course, I've just stereotyped them by describing them this way.  You can see that, can't you?  Yet I'm not the first to stereotype the diverse field of Democratic candidates in this race.

Joe Biden, who's running against all four of these people, kicked off the stereotype-fest with his now-famous remark about Obama:

I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.  I mean, that's a storybook, man.

Biden is, of course, a jerk and a joke.  More troubling is this statement from MyDD diarist Francis L. Holland, who apparently speaks for a large section of the blackosphere:

If you think about it, the most fundamental aspect of the status quo throughout American history has been the literal and figurative disenfranchisement of women and Black voters, as well as other sociological minorities.  They could not hold electoral office and they never have held the highest office in the land because white men ALWAYS have arrogated that office unto themselves, sometimes with the complicity of white women.  Women remain only 16% of the US Congress while 1% of the US Senate is Black in a nation with a 13% Black population.

If you define the status quo as "the continuing disenfranchisement of those who historically were denied the right to vote and hold elective office", it becomes clear that the election of John Edwards to the Presidency - another white male in a string of 43 consecutive white males - would constitute the clearest possible reaffirmation of the status quo.

Holland is correct, of course, that electing yet another white guy doesn't say a lot for the diversity of our culture.  The problem is that Holland, and those who agree with him, really do see Edwards as just another white guy.  Are we disqualifying Edwards from the Presidency just because he was born with pale skin?  What's he supposed to do, get his face tattooed black so his election would add to the diversity of American history?  To suggest that he's unqualified just because he's white is deeply disrespectful to Edwards' history of fighting against poverty, big corporations, and conservatives of all stripes.

In another example, Daily Kos diarist Jerome a Paris described the European view of Hillary Clinton:

The fact that she is a woman does matter, and having a female president (elected not particulalry because she was a woman) would be an importnat milestone.

Nice paradox here: It's an "important milestone" that we elect Hillary because she's a woman, but that's not why we should elect her.  Having it both ways, are we?

And here's a fourth and final example: in the current newsstand edition of The Nation, Patricia J. Williams spends an entire article talking about why people are talking about Obama's race:

At a more complex level, however, American identity is defined by the experience of the willing diaspora, the break by choice that is the heart of the immigrant myth. It is that narrative of chosen migration that has exiled most African-Americans from a substantial part of the American narrative--and it is precisely his place in that narrative that makes Obama so attractive, so intriguing and yet so strange.

I call BS, Ms. Williams.  Obama's an attractive candidate because of his oratorical prowess, his lyrical and analytical mind, and his antiwar credentials, not because of who his parents were or because his skin is a certain color.  All the while Williams is decrying the inherent racism that leads people like Biden to ignore Obama's qualifications in favor of his race, she's perpetuating the same stereotypes by pretending that the Senator's campaign is all about his color.  The article is listed on the cover as "Transcending Race," but by focusing on race to the exclusion of everything else, it's still firmly mired in the racial muck.

Sure, it's cool to be part of a political "first," whether it's electing the first black President, the first Hispanic President, or the first female President.  But when previous "firsts" have happened in American history, people traditionally haven't voted for their candidates SOLELY OR PRIMARILY BECAUSE doing so would effect a "first".  Andrew Jackson was the first President from the "West" (which, at the time, was Tennessee), but people elected him because he was a famous general and a rough-hewn populist.  William Henry Harrison was the first President born in a log cabin, but Americans supported him because he was a respected hero of the Indian wars.  John Kennedy was the first Catholic President, but his campaign succeeded upon the strength of the candidate's boundless energy and inspiring rhetoric.

Ten years ago, when Pat Robertson played the theme for "Gone With the Wind" as entrance music for his party's first major Female Presidential candidate, Elizabeth Dole, and defended his choice by saying that Dole was "the Southern belle," I remember thinking, "When my party gets female or minority candidates, we'll do it right."  Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be happening.  I've heard more commentary about the White Guy, the Black Guy, the Hispanic Guy, and the Woman than I care to admit.

I'm not arguing that the ethnic or racial or gender characteristics of the candidates haven't informed their personal and political development -- of course they have, as they've influenced their sociocultural experience.  But by focusing on these characteristics to the exclusion of other, potentially more important facets of the candidates, we're essentially making a etic characteristics.  But if we're choosing Presidential candidates based on genotype, then we should drop the current crowd entirely and nominate Marion Jones instead.  Hey, she's black AND female, plus she's way, WAY hotter than Richardson.

People ignore the essential nuance of the candidates when they boil them down to ethnic or gendered stereotypes.  Of course, reducing candidates to sound-bytes is a natural process for most people, but let's stereotype them with something they've actually earned, shall we?  I'd much rather have folks think of the candidates as the poverty warrior, the eloquent orator, the four-time Nobel Peace Prize nominee, and the former First Lady.  At least those designations have some basis in the candidates' actions, which means they helped create them and can change them (as Edwards has over the past couple of years).

John Edwards is not a white guy. Barack Obama is not a black guy.  Bill Richardson is not a Hispanic guy.  Hillary Clinton is not a woman.  And Chris Dodd is not a frog (all appearances, and the fact that he blogs at the frog pond, to the contrary).  They're human beings, people auditioning for the right to lead us at home and represent us to the world.  If we started talking about them as leaders and stopped talking about them as symbols of their race, gender, or ethnicity, we might actually get somewhere.



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by Nonpartisan on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 12:54:23 AM EST

Complete lack of understanding (none / 0)

Sorry but this diary completely fails to recognise how many voters make their choices.


by kundalini on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 06:34:18 AM EST

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I'm not failing to understand it.  I'm saying it's bad and we shouldn't reinforce it.


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by Nonpartisan on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 10:49:51 AM EST
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Re: Can We Stop Talking About the Wh (none / 0)

I dislike this idea personally.  

While I don't like Hillary personally her being a woman would definitely help her in my decision if it came down to her or edwards.

Diversity is good.  


by sterra on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 09:17:32 AM EST

Re: Can We Stop Talking About the Wh (none / 0)

So is it Edwards' fault he was born a white guy?  Why should something beyond his control have anything to do with his qualifications for the Presidency?


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by Nonpartisan on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 10:50:33 AM EST
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This isn't a matter of "fault" in that sense.  With several candidates who have more experience and assets than Edwards, excellence and diversity are a more important goals than any personal interest Edwards has in being president.

I'm not sure I even understand why we are talking about Edwards, considering that he is at 5% in New Jersey.  If Hillary were at 5% in New Jersey AND running third or worse everywhere else, I think we would declare her candidacy to be over and done with.  What prevents Edwards' advocates from accepting that there are at least two other candidates whom Democrats consider to be MUCH more interesting than Edwards?

I strongly urge that we just admit that Edwards' declining candidacy is dead in the water, and then decide between Hillary and Barack, with some serious attention given to Bill Richardson, who actually has DECADES more experience than does Edwards.  If you put Edwards and Richardson in a color-blind competition and just weighed their resumes, it would be absolutely impossible to pick Edwards.


by francislholland on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 12:52:08 PM EST
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But again, "assets" are in the eye of the beholder, aren't they?  Many people think Edwards' "excellence" exceeds that of all the other candidates.  You may not agree with them, but why is their opinion any less valid than yours?  That's the problem I have with your line of reasoning.


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by Nonpartisan on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 02:36:37 PM EST
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Nonpartisan, I am very pleased to see this discussion continuing.  So much so, that I have excerpted heavily from your diary and cited you at my Francis L. Holland Blog, where Blacks who feel excluded from the "whitosphere" go for information about the ongoing debate within the whitosphere over equality.  http://francislholland.blogspot.com/2007 /03/no-we-cannot-stop-talking-about-colo r.html

Silence always favors the status quo.  I am certain that the time has come to name and end 43-consecutive term white male monopoly of the American Presidency.  Although the United States has only 35% white men, yet it has never had a President who is NOT a white man.  If we cannot mention that there has never been a female, Black or Latino President of the United States, then we cannot begin to redress that manifest injustice.

You make an entirely unwarranted leap of logic in your diary that is, unfortunately, characteristic of many posts about this that I read in the "whitosphere".  You assert that:

when previous "firsts" have happened in American history, people traditionally haven't voted for their candidates SOLELY OR PRIMARILY BECAUSE doing so would effect a "first".  

This implies both (1) that the only  possible reason for voting for Hillary Clinton or Barack or Bill is their demographic group membership, and (2) that those who urge that we vote for specific liberal Democratic candidates as part of breaking the white male monopoly are engaging in this hideous  "color and gender above all" advocacy that you decry.  You ignore, perhaps intentionally, the reality that there are many good and objective reasons that have nothing to do with gender or color or ethnicity to supporting voting for these candidates who are not white men.  

You seem to insinuate that those who want to elect a woman or a Black man want to do so ONLY because of that person's gender or color.  This is like asserting that a person buys a car ONLY for its color, with no regard whatsoever to the fact that the car provides excellent transportation.  A car only enters the realm of contention once we know that it provides excellent transportation.  Only then do we concern ourselves with its color.  Thankfully, the days when you could buy a Model T in "any color you want, as long as it's black" are just as antiquated as days when would could elect "any President you want, as long as he's white and male".

The fact is that I believe Hillary Clinton is the best candidate for the job of President and THAT is why I urge that that we not permit the status quo - the 43-term exclusively white male monopoly of the presidency - to hinder the election of the best candidate we have.  

The status quo always involves inertia, and inertia always requires the exertion of effort if it is to be overcome.  A habit established three centuries ago and scrupulously maintained ever since will not simply fall of its own accord.  

We did not overcome Jim Crow while studiously avoiding the words "white" and "Black".  When you suggest that we not mention the gender and color and ethnicity of a candidate, you attempt to institute a "gag rule" barring the discussion of America's issues of historical inequality and today's opportunities for historic equality.

2008 represents an opportunity for equality and we would all be criminally remiss not to realize this.  Just as equality in South Africa started with the naming of the inequality - that a 25% white minority ruled over a 75% Black majority - equality in America must start here, as well, with the naming of the injustice - that for three centuries a 35% white male minority has arrogated the Presidency unto itself,  legally and by custom, to the absolute exclusion of the women and minorities who together make up 65% of America.  This is the injustice that we fight to overcome, and only by naming it can we end it.


by francislholland on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 11:42:11 AM EST

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Thanks for your response.  To clarify, I don't believe that the only reason to vote for Hillary or Barack or Bill is their gender or ethnicity, and I wasn't intending to accuse you or others of making that your make-or-break criteria for election -- obviously you have a deep love for Hillary, and that's fine.

My objection is to the idea that someone like John Edwards is disqualified from the office, in whole or in part, because he happens to share a race with the forty-two white men who constituted the historical white male monopoly.  In such a calculation, Edwards' experience fighting poverty and standing up for the little guy of all races goes for naught, because of the accident of his birth as a white guy.  I can't accept that.

What you're saying here is that because you like Hillary for really cool, complex reasons, you're arguing in her favor using a crude genotypic line of reasoning.  Such an argument does your candidate no favors, IMO.  It's the equivalent of my arguing that we should elect Richardson because he's a Westerner.  I actually do think that's a point in his favor, but what are folks in the East and the South going to think if I make that my primary line of argument?  Probably not very good things about the candidate.

My disclaimer is that I'm pretty torn between Edwards, Obama, and Richardson at the moment, so I'm not defending Edwards because he's my guy -- I'm defending him because I think this line of attack is unfair.


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by Nonpartisan on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 12:21:06 PM EST
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It's simple, Nonpartisan:  If you run an office or a school where there are 43 white male professionals and no Blacks or women, this is what you do:  The first time a Black or woman applies who is equal to or better than the white men who apply, then you hire the woman or Black man, because in addition to filling the position with the best person, that suits the goal of diversity and avoiding the impending anti-apartheid riots.  

No, it is not the white male applicant's fault that he is white and male.  However, he also doesn't have an inherent right to the position, particularly when there are woman and minority candidates equally or more qualified AND hiring the white man would perpetuate 400 years of injustice.  

I repeat.  If you compare Richardson's and Edwards' resumes in a color-blind competition, there is absolutely no way you can conclude that Edwards is the most experienced candidate.  Richardson has been elected to the US Congress 7 or 8 times, has been elected Governor of New Mexico twice, has been secretary of (energy or something?) AND US Ambassador to the United Nations.

With Richardson a Latino who has been elected Governor twice in a state with considerable working class populations, I cannot imagine how you can argue that Richardson will do LESS for the poor than the election of a 44th white man.

Edwards never has actually DONE ANYTHING for the poor, except win for them legal judgments from which Edwards collected a 35% lawyer's contingency fee.  All of Edwards' verbiage about his concern for the poor is just that at this point - verbiage.  If he wanted a chance to prove that it was more than verbiage, he could have stayed in the US Senate and worked on his first legislation to help poor people, instead of surrendering his Senate seat to the Republicans and running for President "to help poor people".

If Martin Luther King Jr. were running for President and Edwards challenged him with a pro-equality plank, I'm sure there are people who would argue that the election of Edwards could do more for equality than the election of Martin Luther King, Jr.  I have to give Edwards credit for having the courage (if that's what it is) to fly straight into the strong headwinds of reason.  It seems like 5% of New Jersey is willing to fly with him.


by francislholland on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 01:20:32 PM EST
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"All of Edwards' verbiage about his concern for the poor is just that at this point - verbiage."

Begging your pardon, but this is just factually incorrect.


by NicholasWalter on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 01:30:39 PM EST
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If you run an office or a school where there are 43 white male professionals and no Blacks or women, this is what you do:  The first time a Black or woman applies who is equal to or better than the white men who apply, then you hire the woman or Black man, because in addition to filling the position with the best person, that suits the goal of diversity and avoiding the impending anti-apartheid riots.

Okay, I agree with this wholeheartedly.  The difference is that a political campaign isn't the same thing as hiring for a job.  If we were just hiring based on experience, then we'd absolutely have to go with Richardson.  Richardson's the most qualified person to run for President in the last twenty years, possibly in the last fifty.  But unfortunately, people choose based on all sorts of reasons, most of them having to do with attempts to predict what the candidate will be like as President.  There are a lot of people who think John Edwards is the best candidate for President because of his ideas and his passion, things none of the other candidates can match (in the view of these people).

Also, I'm not entirely sure what New Jersey's poll numbers have to do with Edwards' viability, since they're not one of the early primary states.  Edwards is still leading in Iowa, which is what makes him a viable candidate.  I agree his campaign is in trouble at present, but I don't think it's a last cause as of yet.  Give Edwards time to see whether he can find his place in the field; it's early yet.


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by Nonpartisan on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 02:34:54 PM EST
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Re: Can We Stop Talking About the [race/gender] (none / 0)

Francis,

You state above "You seem to insinuate that those who want to elect a woman or a Black man want to do so ONLY because of that person's gender or color."

But previously you have said "You can't end the monarchy by supporting the king, and you can't end the political, economic and social disenfranchisement of women and Blacks ("the poor") by electing another wealthy white male as President of the United States."

Therefore, what you are in fact suggesting is that no matter the candidate, as long as they are a minority they should be preferred to any white male candidate.  By your rationale, if 50 Cent were in the race for the presidency, he should be supported [note: yes, I know 50 Cent is too young].

When you say "The fact is that I believe Hillary Clinton is the best candidate for the job of President and THAT is why I urge that that we not permit the status quo - the 43-term exclusively white male monopoly of the presidency - to hinder the election of the best candidate we have," I can understand and respect that position.  However rather than speaking of her qualifications you speak only of her gender in post after post on this site.  

Have I misunderstood something in your posts?  


by NicholasWalter on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 01:27:18 PM EST

Re: Can We Stop Talking About the [race/gender] (none / 0)

Why don't we limit our discussion of my "rationale" to the candidates who are actually in the race?  My rationale works perfectly well when applied to the context in which we find ourselves.  Of course, if you want to go entirely outside of our factual context (50 Cent) seeking to disprove my rationale then our conversation becomes much more complicated than it ever needed to be.  Why don't we just focus our discussion on the people who are actually running instead of concering ourselves with silly and admittedly impossible hypotheticals?

Meanwhile, if the status quo is the economic disenfranchisement of women and minorities ("the poor") it is counterintuitive and flies in the face of reason to believe that electing the 44th consecutite white male President would decrease the marginalization of America's women and Blacks.  Quite the contrary, it would perpetuate that marginalization and perpetuate the status quo.

If you want to make your onions grow, putting fertizer on your cabbage is not going to help.  If you want your onions to grow, then fertilize your onions.  If your couldn't care less about your onions then stop giving them lip service while using them as an excuse to fertilize the cabbage.


by francislholland on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 03:21:24 PM EST
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