DNC Winter Meetings II

Day two. Harold Ickes continues to work the aisles.

Kathleen Sebelius: No, she's not a candidate, but she goes first. The second-term Kansas Governor Sebelius talks my language, with code like "a Democratic triumvirate" and "a year and a half before the election we began the work on the ground" and "we took out an incumbant AG". She points out that "there are two Republican parties in this country... and they have begun open battle with eachother. It gives Democrats an incredible opportunity... to invite moderates to join the big tent." Kansas is becoming Democratic. I was interviewed by Lawrence.com yesterday (am attending a Blogger confo there at the Dole Inst. mind-month) and they asked about Sebelius as a VP candidate. I have no idea what the other candidates are thinking, but there were many on board in Warner's camp that envisioned a Warner-Sebelius ticket (what if they had announced the ticket before IA?) as unbeatable.

Joe Biden: The person giving the prayer invocation stated, "We invoke divine intervention... to create sensitivity". Biden's song intro is "Put me in Coach.. look at me... centerfield," by Fogerty. OK, Biden clears it up right away, opening with, "so, how was your week? ... It's been a hell of a week," before Biden eats some crows. The whole rukus about Biden's off-the-cuff remark on Obama by bloggers mimiced exactly the sort of thing that bloggers take the MSM to task for-- do the bloggers that pile on Biden really believe that he is racist, or are you just playing piling on for fun? And the reason I bring this up is because Biden actually has a feasible plan for Iraq. "We must stop this war". In that same article that Biden talked smack, was wrote:

"By contrast with what Mr. Biden describes alternately as his opponents' caution and their detachment from reality, the Senator from Delaware has for months been pushing a comprehensive plan to split Iraq into autonomous Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish ethnic regions that is controversial, to say the least."
Of course, Biden's candidacy is more like an oldtimer's game than it is a major league candidacy.

Bill Richardson: "Stay lose, we gotta year to go", says Richardson regarding his stand in the polls. Richardson's intro is "lean on me" by Bill Withers [the hip hop remix], and closes with some cha-cha music. He looks great-- Richardson might be getting tips from Huckabee. He is one of two that I believe can break out of the second tier. Richardson has a big opening in Nevada, if he is able to mobilize Latino voters to show up. If he does, in a week when it's the only contest and there's not a competing Republican contest for media attention, he's gonna pop onto the radar in a very big way. Then, maybe Florida? Don't count out union support for Richardson either, as he's got a record in New Mexico that's very union-friendly. Teachers too, Richardson came with NM at 47th in pay and is now in the 20's-- AFT. NM's enacted equality legislation, enacted the Kyoto standards, it's impressive. I really like Governor's as Presidential candidates, they have accomplishments they can point to, and Richardson has foreign experience as well. He was very well recieved by this audience, with multiple standing ovations, and Richardson probably moved up a few nothes in their views. Richardson believes in a "reconciliation" effort in Iraq, and calls for a deadline by the end of this year for the US to be out of Iraq.

Mike Gravel: Gravel will be the voice of the pissed-off Democrats, saying about the Oct 2002 vote, "political calculations trumped morality" and "anyone who voted for the war... is not qualified to hold the office of the Presidency." In short, Gravel will not give Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Clinton any breathing room. As a Senator, he says, "I spoke truth to power... and as a result Nixon sued me." Gravel is coming back from being on the Senate floor during the Vietnam war, and as he stood up then to end the war,he now will be the thorn in the side of those "that did nothing" when they were in office, as a Democratic majority in the Senate, and allowed it to happen. "And we all know, 'vital interest' is a code word for oil." With Gravel in the race, there's really no need for the vanity candidacy of Kucinich. Gravel is an anti-war candidate that speaks well and carries a stick. "Power to the People" is the song and "Let the People Decide" the slogan of Gravel.

Tom Vilsack: Vilsack is the other second-tier candidate that could break out. Most significantly, because of Iowa. We won't know for sure until later this year, but with John Norris heading up his campaign, I don't underestimate their organizing ability at the county and precienct level. His low standing in the polls, where he is able to show traction, actually helps him in this regard, though I would expect that unless Vilsack wins with something like a 40-45% plurality, the media is going to largely focus on the GOP winner even more than Vilsack. I didn't recognize the tune of his intro (no lyrics) and his speech begins with a strong autobiography of his adoption story, and the life lessons he gained. On his candidacy he says, "Before hope, there is courage. The courage to create change, and that's why I'm here before you today as a Presidential candidate." Vilsack, as a Democrat that says he's tired of America being frightened, and has a strong 'get out of Iraq now' stance. He's for getting out "now" and turning the destiny of Iraq over to the Iraqi people. "Not a cap, and an. Not eventually, now. Those who voted to start the war. Those who voted to fund the war. They can vote to end the war. Now." As Vilsack points out, we Democrats win by being outsiders. That's why he and Richardson are the two candidates, both having substantial gubernatorial terms, that have the ability to become first-tier.

That's it. All the candidates today adhered to the 50-100 sign limit -- stupid rule -- only HRC's staffers seemed to have ignored it. And none of the candidates adhered to the time limit for their speech.

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Re: DNC Winter Meetings II (none / 0)

"do the bloggers that pile on Biden really believe that he is racist, or are you just playing piling on for fun?"

Can't speak for others, but for myself the answer is: just for fun.


by JTL on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 12:29:04 PM EST

What Biden said was bigoted. (none / 0)

    Do we really have to go over this again.  If Trent Lott had said those things, what would you think?  So now we're the hypocrites for pointing out his bigoted comments?  I don't think so.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 12:43:15 PM EST

Re: What Biden said was bigoted. (none / 0)

It depends on how you read it ... hearing it, with the interuption from the other person coming where it did, I thought that it really was mis-punctuated.

OTOH, I do not feel any remorse that a Senator in the pocket of big banks (which is what gives him a more or less free hand in foreign policy) has run into a rocky patch.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 06:32:48 PM EST
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Punctuation marks. (none / 0)

    That's silly.  It was still bigoted wherever you place them.  Biden has a history of insensitive racial comments as other commenters have noted.  If he doesn't want to be perceived as a bigot, then he has to stop saying bigoted things.  It's just that simple.  He's making an ass of himself, and he's embarrassing the Democratic party.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 07:20:58 PM EST
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Re: Punctuation marks. (none / 0)

I mean, you've got the first mainstream African American [candidate] -- who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," he said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Its in the wider context that the blogysteria reading makes little sense to me, because this whole section was meant to talk about what a great candidate he is, before coming in with the stinger ...

... he doubts whether American voters are going to elect "a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate," and added: "I don't recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic."

It is so unfair, for Biden to be savaged for this, when there is so much else to savage him about.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 10:19:28 PM EST
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No, it is fair. (none / 0)

   His comments are still insensitive at best.  And again if this had been the first instance, it wouldn't be a big deal.  Indians at the Dunkin' Donuts - slave state loving - Biden doesn't get a free pass just because he isn't as bigoted as some other people.  Joe Biden isn't Dave Chapelle.  


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 10:51:05 PM EST
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Re: No, it is fair. (none / 0)

I only saw the slave state remark in print, and I thought that all you people who presumed that Delaware being a slave state was brought up as a point of pride ... and it is pure presumption, it was not in the remarks themselves ... were way out in lala land.

The Indian in the 7-11 remark was xenophobic, so I'll give you 1 out of 3.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 11:20:08 PM EST
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I heard the slave state remark. (none / 0)

   He said it on Fox News.  Biden was pathetically trying to refute the interviewer's assumption that Delaware is a northeastern liberal state with a liberal senator.  Biden not only answered the insulting question, but tried to prove his conservative cred by saying that Delaware was almost a slave state.  It's tremendously stupid and insensitive bigotry.  I'll give myself 3 out of 3.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Mon Feb 05, 2007 at 05:52:23 PM EST
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Re: DNC Winter Meetings II (none / 0)

Kathleen Sebelius is one of my favorite politicians in the country.  She's done a jam-up job in Kansas and would be a great addition to any ticket.  (She also had, in my humble opinion, the best TV ads of the entire 2006 election cycle.  I especially loved the paper clips one.)

Richardson is indeed looking svelte.  I was blown away by the difference in his appearance from when he visited SC in June versus his latest visit a few weeks ago.  I asked him staffers how much weight he'd lost, and they said about 50 lbs!  Of the candidates who've visited SC so far, Richardson's one-on-one people skills are unmatched.


by Laurin from SC on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:02:37 PM EST

I've been voting Edwards/Sebelius ... (none / 0)

... in some silly online poll for a while now, just on the back of what she has accomplished for the party in Kansas, and the benefit that it could bring in MO, IA and even central Ohio.

But I've never really had a chance to hear her speak, so I can't wait until this comes online at www.democrats.org.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 06:36:11 PM EST
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Are These Posted Anywhere? (3.00 / 1)

Are these Saturday speeches posted anywhere yet?  Any links yet?  I couldn't find them.  

You can see Edwards' speech from Friday at:
http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=68265

Actually, you can see all the speeches from Friday at:  
http://www.c-span.org/


by Demo37 on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:04:22 PM EST

democrats.org (3.00 / 1)

http://www.democrats.org/wintermeetingvi deo.html


John McCain is a Bush ally on Social Security.
by John DE on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:34:38 PM EST
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An Excellent Lead, But... (3.00 / 1)

Thanks!  

But...I just went there...and all they have at the moment...are Friday's speeches.  Drats.  


by Demo37 on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 02:41:47 PM EST
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Still not up ... but the Friday ones ... (none / 0)

... on that site were up before the end of the night, so I'll be checking back around 9 or 10 (EST)


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 06:34:19 PM EST
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Finally up, but no Sebelius ... (none / 0)

... or at least, I don't see it anywhere.

As the Ozzies say, I'm just filthy over that. I wanted to hear what she had to say.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sun Feb 04, 2007 at 04:05:21 PM EST
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Biden (3.00 / 2)

If this were coming from someone without a recent history for mind-numbingly ignorant remarks, then you may have a point.

But Biden's the guy who commented about needing a "slight Indian accent" to go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts in Delaware. Or that Delaware tried to secede but couldn't because there were a couple other states in the way...and that the latter comment was made as a blatant pander to a conservative audience.

One comment on its own can be a mistake. But several borderline (or flat-out ignorant) comments in a year indicates Biden has a real problem. No, he's not a racist--I'd use that term quite sparingly, even for repugs. But he does seem to play fast and loose with racial and ethnic stereotypes in a way that betrays a real insensitivity to the issue.

Those are the kinds of thing you expect from you crotchety old uncle, not from a presidential candidate.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:06:42 PM EST

Re: Biden (3.00 / 1)

Biden's been in the Senate so long he's like a man who's been lost in a time capsule.

He's well spoken on certain issues but he really has no feel for the modern racial etiquette.


by Texas Nate on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 04:31:41 PM EST
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Re: DNC Winter Meetings II (3.00 / 2)

I'm not a blogger, so I haven't had a chance to make a big deal about Biden's remarks, but I think Biden is clearly tone-deaf when it comes to racial issues and the African-American experience in this country. Does that make him racist? I dunno. Not really in a usual sense of the word, but that's kind of a semantic argument that I'm not interested in. I'm sure he doesn't look at, say, John Lewis and think bad thoughts, for instance.

But he's definitely guilty of having zero sensitivity to African-Americans. You just don't try to make a connection with a Southern audience by bragging on your state's history as a slave state if you has any sensitivity at all or value the African-American community. And the words he used in this case ("articulate" in particular) reek of paternalistic attitudes toward African-American politicians ("Oh, look, he doesn't sound black!") He certainly may not have meant it that way (Obama really is extremely articulate compared to anyone in politics today), but ... it's just one of the minefields someone like Bill Clinton would just instinctively know to avoid. Without the previous comments (like the Slave state one), and without the disrespect for Jesse Jackson, Mosley-Braun, etc, Biden could probably have gotten away with calling Obama articulate, but ... with the whole package, he just stepped right on the landmine. Boom.


by BriVT on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:09:51 PM EST

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* Biden seemed very tired, he can be a good speaker, but it obviously has been a rough week.  The good news is that he kept it short.

* Richardson was the clear "winner" of the day.  Lots of stanging ovations, etc.  The problem was that he started off talking about how he did not want to give a usual political speech -- there was real anticipation that he would be different -- then he gave a usual political speech, albiet a good one.  He did look great.  I think Richardson has the most "breakout" potential among the second tier.  Expect to hear a lot more about New Mexico, but not much about the real reason for his state's fiscal success -- plenty of easy revenue from gas drilling.

* Vilsack opened talking about his remarkable personal story -- we are going to hear a lot about his early years as an orphan.  Its always a tough role to close a meeting like the DNC.  I did not think he was up to it.  Vilsack is just so low key and the already distracted Dems had little reason to pay attention.  The teachers in the room liked his attack on "No Child Left Behind."


by howardpark on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:15:52 PM EST

Re: DNC Winter Meetings II (3.00 / 1)

Expect to hear a lot more about New Mexico, but not much about the real reason for his state's fiscal success -- plenty of easy revenue from gas drilling.

I apologize for the state of New Mexico making money from natural resources.  There.  Do you feel better?

Gov. Richardson is using that money to boost teacher pay and supporting alternative solar and wind energy businesses.  In other words, the Gov. is taking the money and investing in the future.  


by ATinNM on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:39:52 PM EST
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Re: DNC Winter Meetings II (3.00 / 1)

Good point...Richardson is using the revenue for good things, not tax cuts for rich people.  Thanks for calling me out on that.


by howardpark on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 08:18:22 PM EST
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Gravel/Biden (none / 0)

In evaluating whether Gravel's is a vanity candidacy, remember that he is one of the self-admiring VP candidates who helped push McGovern's acceptance speech til 2 am EDT.  He even seconded his own nomination.

Biden's problem is not shadow stereotypes, but emitting first-draft thoughts.  Most chain convenience stores and doughnut shops in Northern Delaware are owned by South Asians.  Delaware was indeed a slave border state with a secessionist element.  Wallace drew 19 percent in Delaware's middle county in 1968.  Biden has said that he considered entering politics as a Republican in those days because in Delaware its leaders were superior to Democrats on race.


by John Manifold on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:27:53 PM EST

on facebook (none / 0)

I was at the Friday session, and I got a flier from the College Democrats.  They're aiming to get to 10,000 on facebook in the next two months!  I managed to avoid laughing out loud after the Obama stories here on mydd.


John McCain is a Bush ally on Social Security.
by John DE on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 01:37:17 PM EST

Biden is a traitor (none / 0)

...because of his Delaware comments. His Obama comments just make me think he's a condescending elitist, but the Delware as a Confederate State line really substantively bothers me. And I don't he has apologized for it yet.


by MNPundit on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 05:20:18 PM EST

I can't see Vilsack winning in Iowa (none / 0)

Vilsack has not been a particularly popular or successful governor, IMHO. He made some incredibly bad decisions concerning appointments to the Board of Regents of the state universities with the upshot being a feactured board, multiple resignations, a spectacularly messed up presidential search for the president of the University of Iowa, and very bad feelings in a system that has previously been pretty smooth-running as such things go. He has also been unable to make progress on many of the economic and political issues facing Iowans (property tax reform, increasing cigarette taxes). Granted, he had a fractious state house and senate, but leaders need to be effective in producing wins even when the stars are not well-aligned. I can't see the orphan story being enough to outweigh his record in Iowa.


by Iowan on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 05:30:32 PM EST

I can't speak much for that. (none / 0)

But he is VERY strong on electoral reform and verified voting, which I appreciate.

-C.


by neutron on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 10:23:06 PM EST
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In what language is "trimvate" a word? (none / 0)

Since Kathleen Sebelius speaks your language, perhaps you could translate the phrase "a Democratic trimvate" for us?

I'm guessing "triumvirate", but even so, what three men would she be referring to?


by xebecs on Sun Feb 04, 2007 at 08:19:17 AM EST

Re: DNC Winter Meetings II (none / 0)

Communication and controlling message are not merely a means of winning the "interview" to get the job of president, but are in fact required on-the-job skills.  Biden apparently did not realize that millions of Black Americans find the term "articulate" directed at them to be condescending in the extreme; Biden is theoretically in the Democratic politics business, or so it is rumored.  

It's sort of like an attorney not realizing that he or she has to wear a business suit to court.  Who cares if the attorney graduated top 10% of his class; the bottom 90% knows how to show up dressed.  Of course, this precise example is terrible for Biden, since he is known for academic (ahem) records issues in his not-too-bad study at a not-too-bad law school, whereas the now-blessed-by-Biden-as-articulate! Obama graduated Harvard Law and was Editor-in-Chief of the Harvard Law Review, making him the most accomplished law student his graduating year on the entire North American continent.  So who is articulate now, Joe?


by Crablaw on Sun Feb 04, 2007 at 01:30:11 PM EST


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