Democrats, Activists and Ending the War

Clearly, as Matt notes in the post below this one, there is growing consternation within the progressive netroots about what many consider to be the slow and ineffective steps Democrats in Congress have taken to end the war. Given this, I think it might be helpful to review the various means the netroots and grassroots can take to pressure congressional Democrats into quicker and / or more effective action. I do this because I want to shift the debate over whether or not Democrats are doing enough to end the war towards how we can all help to end the war. That, and because I also hate engaging in arguments with people when I am not sure what we are arguing over.

Now, I actually feel much worse today than I felt yesterday, so please bear with me.

I see four basic avenues of pressure, which are somewhat interrelated:
  • Primary Challenges. In the Senate, Democrats and the netroots have pretty much maxed out when it comes to using primary challenges as a means of hurrying the end of the Iraq war. At this point, Joe Lieberman is the only Democrat in the Senate in favor of escalation (see here) and he was hit with perhaps the most publicized Senate primary challenge in history for his hawkish views. After Lieberman, almost every other Senate Democrat who the netroots are not particularly happy with when it comes to war is not up for re-election in 2008: the Nelsons, Schumer, Clinton, and Reid. Of the two candidates who are up for re-election, Carl Levin and Mark Pryor, only Pryor seems like a viable primary target. Levin has a generally progressive record, and I have a difficult time seeing how running against someone for bad message control will gain a lot of traction. If Pryor fails to go along with the rewrite of the AUMF and / or the Murtha restrictions plan, it should definitely be time to look into a primary challenge. However, that will not be an easy front, considering the stranglehold conservative Democrats have over the Arkansas state Democratic Party.

    In the House, there are already a few prominent primary challenges lined up (Wynn, Tauscher). It takes a long time to put together a compelling narrative behind a successful primary challenge, and even the best challenges in the House usually fall well short (see Marcy Winograd in CA-36). If people really wanted to make a splash, develop a compelling narrative about how Steny Hoyer is not doing much to further the end of the war, and attack there. That would certainly make some noise, but the attack would have to be made credible fashion. As is the case with Levin, a primary challenge over inept messaging is just not going to gain any traction. However, a primary challenge against someone who is overtly against ending the war in Iraq would gain traction, no matter how Republican the district may be.

  • Withdrawing Financial Support. In the House, one tactic I think Democrats should consider pursuing would be to withdraw DCCC financial support from endangered Democratic representatives like Jim Marshall and Gene Taylor. Quite frankly, after he was only one of two Democrats who voted in favor of escalation, it feels like a self-defeating waste of money to dump resources into Marshall and Taylor's district. This wasn't a big deal in 2006, since the DCCC spent virtually no money helping out those two incumbents--the wave kept Marshall and Taylor afloat. However, what is the point of defending Democratic incumbents in fairly Republican districts who vote with the opposition on the main issue of the day? Defending these two guys certainly does not make it seem to me that Democrats are using their resources to try and end the war, which was our mandate after the November elections (and how we won the election). At some point, the amount of resources Democrats give our incumbents to defend themselves must be tied to some metric of party loyalty. Otherwise, our message will remain muddled.

  • Direct Activism. There is already a decent amount being done on this front, including mass protests, the "virtual march," and occupying offices. In my opinion, however, virtually all of this will be unsuccessful either in pressuring Democrats to do more or in convincing the progressive base that not enough is being done, unless it is tied to a single legislative plan of attack. What I mean is that this activism needs to be geared toward pressuring reps to pass the Murtha plan, and to rewrite the AUMF. If the direct activism is out of synch with the legislative drift, it is hard to see how the former can impact the latter.

    One problem with this is that dramatic activism, such as occupying congressional offices, does not tend to be done on behalf of gradualist policy, such as rewriting the AUMF or the Murtha plan. I actually got into an argument about this with someone as Dailykos yesterday, who was arguing on behalf of occupying congressional offices but simultaneously arguing against the Murtha plan because it didn't go far enough. It strikes me as self-defeating for anti-war activists to engage in activism opposing a plan to end the war. My dream would be direct activism of all sorts targeted against Democratic members of Congress who are not supporting Murtha's plan and / or the rewrite of the AUMF. However, I am not particularly confident that is going to happen.

    I also worry that one of the reasons the left does not want to engage in activism on behalf of the gradualist plans to end the war is because, in the event that the plans fail to pass, they don't want to be tarnished with those failures themselves. Better to be tagged with a plan that occupies the moral highground but that never had any chance of passing, than with a compromise plan that had a real chance to pass but did not. Within your base of support, the former always makes you look better than those weak Democrats who failed, while the latter means you look just like those weak Democrats you rail about all the time.

  • Ending the grace period in the base. There is a fourth, and significantly vaguer, form of pressure that a few people are floating around. The best way I can describe that pressure is to use blogosphere messaging in order to convince the activist base that Democratic leaders in Congress, especially the Senate, no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. Consdering Harry Reid's low approval vote in the most recent Dailykos straw poll, that seems to have been pretty much accomplished (or, at least is in the process of being accomplished). However, in my opinion, if this form of pressure is not tied to a carrot, it isn't really going to get us anywhere on Iraq. We have to define both what a favorable outcome on Iraq in the Senate would be, and what we will do ourselves to help the Senate Democratic leadership achieve that result. If we are simply on the sidelines not offering support to help pass the rewrite of the AUMF, or if we do not define what a successful outcome in the Senate would look like, then I am not sure how we are helping to end the war through this form of pressure. Yes, we need to push the leadership to push Democrats to do the right thing, but we need to push ourselves to push Democrats to do the right thing too.
Anyway, I am posting this because I hate engaging in arguments where I am not sure what the parameters of the debate actually are. If we are angry at Democrats for not acting with all due speed and effectiveness, I would like to know what all due speed and effectiveness would mean. If we are mad at the netroots for not applying enough pressure to Democrats in congress, I want to know what sort of pressure would be both desirable and effective. From my point of view, this means pressuring the specific Democrats who are not working to pass either Murtha's plan or the rewrite of the AUMF in a variety of ways. Those who straight up oppose Murtha's plan or a rewrite of the AUMF should be targeted in primaries or see a withdrawal of party committee support for re-election. Those who we are certain are not working fast enough or effectively enough should receive the negative messaging and direct activism I described above.

In a nutshell, that is the best method I can think of to hasten the end of the war in Iraq. If I disagree with people in what they write about Democrats and ending the war, it is because I disagree with them in these terms. I hope that the people who disagree with the tactics I propose would disagree with them while simultaneously offering a different tactical path. I don't want to disagree with people for the hell of it, because we have different temperaments, or because we have different levels of patience / trust in varying leaders. I want to see different plans to bring the war to an end, and debate the varying plans on their relative merits. If you have one, I would love to hear it.

Update: It turns out the DCCC actually spent around $200K on Marshall. Not one of their higher expenditures, but it was still $200K we spent to help continue the war.

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Re: Democrats, Activists and Ending the War (none / 0)

I will repeat what I said in the thread just below.  I think this is going at it from the wrong direction.  Rather than looking for a way to do the strongest thing we can think of to end the war we would do better to look for the easiest thing we can all agree on, post a resounding success and move on to the next easiest thing.

In practice this means not going for a funding cutoff first but deciding to do something we all agree on and can actually pass such as:

Make an unequivocal statement that we have no intention to permanently occupy Iraq and prohibit maintaining or building permanent bases there.

All Dems would agree with this.  Many if not all Republicans would not.  Not only do we get to post a win, but we get to do something useful while at the same time making a great contrast for use in the next election.  We would get to say things like "My opponent supports staying in Iraq FOREVER ..."


by sck5 on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:20:30 PM EST

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Another note - We dont stop there.  We immediately move on to stronger stuff, which is then more likely to pass given the momentum from the previous win.


by sck5 on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:21:23 PM EST

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Don't underestimate the power of targetted phone calls to Hill offices, especially if the caller is calm and articulate.  They get noticed.


by Adam B on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:24:17 PM EST

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yes, this should certainly be attempted before occupying the offices.


by selise on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:33:57 PM EST
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Occupying the offices of our nominal allies is silly, immature and self-defeating.


by Adam B on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:40:41 PM EST
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yeah, but we could gank their shiznit. (none / 0)

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by Teaser on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:56:34 PM EST
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wrt Direct Activism...

i'd be happy to participate in an organized effort to "occupy offices" with the stated goal of immediate troop withdrawal... in my view a compromise to the murtha plan (and re-write of the aumf) would be a tremendously successful outcome.

imho, we've got to push the margins of the debate in order to make murtha seem centrist and reasonable.  i'm willing to be portrayed as a dirty hippy if that helps.

wrt Ending the grace period in the base....

this is going to happen (is happening) regardless of what you and matt do. so i recommend you don't let it happen w/o you. i think it was gandhi who said something like leaders are people who figure out where the people what to go and then help them get there.

thanks, chris.


by selise on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:32:36 PM EST

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I see a lot of people who are arguing past each other, unable to see that we're in agreement (or to find a consensus) because we're relying on a deliberate unhelpful Washington journalistic establishment to find out what we're each doing.

It's been so long since we've had any power that it's not surprising we're having some hiccups on the exercise of it.

Everyone should be able to agree that Congress should -- nay, must-- mandate troop readiness.

With that established, it's pretty clear how the various actors can work to support that goal while pushing the own agendas.

Those who want to defund the war should have the message: "Congress must protect the troops by mandating readiness and reasonable deployments -- and must defund the war now to bring the troops home now."

The bloggers have a duty to frame the issue by collecting and distributing stories about how the administration is abusing the troops' willingness to serve. The Social Security fight was so effective in many ways because we worked to collect story, story, story.

The think tanks/Congress need to be crunching the macro numbers on how Bush's abuse of the troops is hurting the effectiveness of the armed forces as an instrument of our national will.

&etc.

Also, the bad reporters of WaPo, AP, etc. need to be smacked down. Similarly the wingnut Republicans need to be rightly portrayed as the enemies of the troops that they are.

And consistently thank Cheney for admitting that the Democratic Congress cares more about fighting Al Qaeda then his administration does.


by The Cunctator on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:32:50 PM EST

One of the (none / 0)

problems, however, is that seemingly everyone is willing to believe shitty, and frequently anonymously sourced, journalism from, for example, the AP or outfits like "Politico."

If a person's real beef is with the amount of time the Senate leadership is taking to implement an Iraq plan, then the person should just say so. There is no reason whatsoever to believe unsourced bullshit stories in the media about how democrats are "backing off" Iraq plans or even deliberately trying to keep the war going.

Of course, if a person has a problem with the Senate leadership taking too much time, that person should also explain (1) why they believe 49 democrats can get any Iraq plan passed; and (2) why, given the fact that the Iraq war is funded until at least Sept of 2007, it is a problem for Senate democrats to spend some time attempting to craft an Iraq extrication strategy that will actually be effective.


by taylormattd on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:46:15 PM EST
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In terms of parameters, I think they should be anything BINDING, whether it's Murtha's proposal or even revision of the AUMF, which, I am told would have binding ramifications. Democrats who do not support binding actions are trying to have it both ways and that's unacceptable.

In terms of tactics, to date, Democrats have felt absolutely no pain for refusing to pursue binding courses of action. The only thing they fear right now is Republicans and Joe Lieberman. A shot across the bow at a Democrat like Utah's Jim Matheson who is running to reporters reading Fox News talking points and berating people like Murtha would go a long way to showing Democrats that there is a price to pay for their refusal to act. Matheson is an especially interesting case because he comes from Salt Lake City, where Mayor Rocky Anderson is both popular and one of the nation's leading anti-war voices.


by David Sirota on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:45:47 PM EST

Defunding (none / 0)

is the much better--less bad--approach. Each approach would, of course, spark a constitutional showdown, and on defunding, Dems are more solid legal ground. Even some conservative legal scholars and politicians have acknowledged that Dems have the constitutional authority to choke off funding. (Of course, Repubs want Dems to do it, because they think it's a political winner; they're wrong.)

And defunding, as opposed to revision of the AUMF, would lead to a full withdrawal.


by david mizner on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:04:54 PM EST
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What about using the Primary? (none / 0)

There's a race going on, of course, and we can use it to our advantage. We should ask the Democratic candidates to do everything they can to bring about the end to the war, and that means getting behind defunding, choking off funds, draining its lifeblood--whatever you want to call it. We should make it clear to the candidates that whoever takes the boldest stand on Iraq will be rewarded with newfound attention and support, and that simply putting out a plan for withdrawal isn't close to enough. Right now Edwards is the only candidate of the Big Three who supports defunding--there are many similarities between his plan and Murtha's--but even he doesn't endorse the full defunding approach. Obama is going around the country talking up his antiwar bonifides. Fine, as far as it goes, but he should supporting full defunding. If the candidates were trying to outflank one another, they'd pull the entire debate left.


by david mizner on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:50:33 PM EST

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I think one unfortunate thing is that all "official" Democratic activism is being pushed by and toward the Presidential campaigns. So you get Obama introducing legislation and saying, "Like it? Then come and work for me." Rather than, "Like it? Then let's put pressure on it to pass." This is not in any way a slam on Obama ... that's the way it goes when you are running for President. But I think what we need is some mechanism around which to build activism directly related to the problem at hand, rather than a campaign.


by BriVT on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:56:26 PM EST

It affects the debate (none / 0)

Pander-poker can be great for the country.

Edwards plays a Kennedy. Obama sees his Kennedy and raises him a Murtha. Edwards goes all in with a Feingold.

Pretty soon Harry Reid is feeling the heat.


by david mizner on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:10:23 PM EST
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True ... I don't think it's a bad thing that all the Democratic candidates are calling for ending the war (with somewhat of an exception in Hillary). But I do think it's bad that there isn't any other forum for activism to try to end the war earlier. With the Internet being such a great vehicle for organizing, seems like there should be other outlets with some sort of semi-official connection ...


by BriVT on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:18:15 PM EST
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Edwards (none / 0)

has in fact called on Congress to use its authority to defund the war. (I'm correcting myself.) Here is in on Face the Nation (2/26)

Bob Schieffer: ...[Schwarzenegger] says look, the Congress should either cut the funding on Iraq or let the president do what it wants t do."

Edwards: "I think we should do the former. I think the Congress should use its authority, its funding authority, to bring down the troop levels, an initial 40 to 50 thousand out of Iraq, and continue to use that authority to redeploy troops out of Iraq over the next year or so."


by david mizner on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:43:00 PM EST
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But what has he done to make that happen? And I don't mean that as a slam on Edwards at all ... he has enough to do building his campaign infrastructure. Which is my point ... Edwards and Obama and Richardson are saying good things, but they aren't providing any pressure on the process besides rhetorical pressure.


by BriVT on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 07:40:19 PM EST
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I stand corrected! (none / 0)

Edwards has come out in support of Murtha's plan. From WNYC"s Brian Lehrer:

BL: And what if you were in the house? This Murtha plan...
JE: I'm for it.
BL: ... to starve the war by requiring shorter stays for American troops, longer intervals between tours, some other things...you're for it?
JE: I'm for it.
BL: You'd vote for it.
JE: I'm for it.
BL: Alright then, do one other thing on this before we leave Iraq to distinguish yourself from the other presidential c...
JE: Can I interrupt you for just a minute?
BL: Sure
JE: You did that very quickly. The Murtha plan that I know about is one that requires American troops not to be sent back for another deployment in Iraq, some of them 3rd and 4th deployments without adequate training, without adequate equipment - is that what you're talking about?
BL: Yes.
JE: OK. Yes, I'm for that.
BL: Which is just an indirect way to stop the troop surge, true?
JE: Yeah, yeah - it certainly affects the number of troops in Iraq.


by david mizner on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 10:38:30 PM EST
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my honest feeling is that the presidential primaries are using up a lot of energy (sucking up all the oxygen if you will) that could be more effectively applied to issues. And for what? Most of these campaigns will fail, and even the one that (may) succeed won't produce real results until January 2009.

Even then, we don't really know these people. We don't know what they'll do. We can reasonably expect any Democratic administration to be miles better than Bush/Cheney, but it's well known that candidates will promise whatever to get elected. I'd rather see the party and the progressive movement focused on delivering results in the here and now.

Want to lock in a Democratic Majority in congress? End the war.

But the presidential race is sexy, so it draws the most attention. C'est la vie.


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by Josh Koenig on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:48:14 PM EST
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There needs to be some mechanism to draw the multitude of different plans together into one coherent whole (or at least none that contradict each other.)

Maybe Kennedy and Dodd combine their bills (they're near as damn identical,) they co-sponsor Obama's and he co-sponsors theirs. Those who aren't in congress don't get a free pass. Richardson tries to arrange the passing of anti-Iraq war legislation in NM. Edwards campaigns for the various anti-escalation bills and endorses them - even, especially, when they're those of his rivals.

Points will be awarded for working together, courage, framing and giving the impression that Democrats are on the same page.

Of course, what the reward would be, I don't know, as the netroots is the only Democratic constituency with a large number of utterly decided voters already. But something along these lines would at least prevent cynical characterisations of these bills and the resulting gridlock.


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by Englishlefty on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:42:31 PM EST
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In my post on the thread below, I suggested that we give consideration to the filibuster rule in the Senate.

Since Democrats have to contend with a whole raft of legislation for the next two years, is ending the filibuster rule, a great "opportunity" or not?  Thus, the President's likely veto of anything coming out of Congress. And if even more consideration is given to the Democrat's use of the filibuster to protect any gains achieved?

From my perspective, I am in favor of the Democrats in the Senate foregoing the filibuster rule, and put up any legislation regarding "ending the war" up to a vote of conscience, and let each Senator on either side of the aisle, vote his or her conscience, as well as defend their position to the constituency back in their home state.  Thus, considerable transparency is forced onto the Senate, and which would be much-appreciated among the general populace and recognized as "principles" above "politics".

Perhaps, from another view, especially those who present themselves as either the "angels" or the "angles", as in the Gang of 14, they would no longer have their viable platform to control an agenda.  Thus, the Democrats would be working without a "safety net".  

However, the "safety net" would shift over to Nancy Pelosi, in which any risible legislation that makes it out of the Senate, would undergo the "gauntlet of reform" and subsequently, "tabled" in some lesser committee.  Take, for example, on Social Security, should something get out of the Senate to Bush's liking, having it "tabled" in the House, puts Bush's veto pen in arrested development and permanently.

As to Murtha's "rider" in some form of budgetary legislation, would be difficult for Bush to veto.
Thus, jettisoning the filibuster rule in the Senate, places all the marbles in the game, solidly behind Murtha and others in the House, and I can live with that, and easily.

And to me, the above, is placing "accountability" where it actually belongs, without the tedium of shenanigans that will come about, as the Gang of 14 ramps up its determination to circumvent Senator Reid.


by Jaango on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:00:19 PM EST

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Of course non-binding resolutions are the way to go to affect change! We've seen that in the recent past. We must not have a battle over a war. It's best to do it over afternnon tea. Bad PR to moderate voters and all that, you know.


by texex on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 04:02:56 PM EST

Good Post Matt (none / 0)

I still don't agree with everything you wrote, but I really like the way that you framed the debate that ought to be occurring.  Criticism along with constructive suggestions on how to move forward is ALWAYS better than criticism alone.  Really, excellent post.


by HSTruman on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 05:10:06 PM EST

A modest suggestion (none / 0)

This is a structural suggestion. I think Dems in Congress would be doing much better on this and other issues if they were in better communication with their constituents, especially activists and netroots. What if all you influential bloggers get together and start a campaign to pressure all congressional Dems to pledge to attend a local meet-up on a monthly basis. I think a little face-to-face time with impatient voters would do wonders for congressional attitudes. What do you think?


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by miasmo on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 05:28:01 PM EST

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by miasmo on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 05:44:58 PM EST

33% (none / 0)

Per Adam B.'s Breaking Blue post on people's ignorance of McCain's age...

According to recent polling only 1 in 3 Americans think that John McCain approves of "President Bush's" escalation plan. Only 1 in 4 think Giuliani does. That number is around 5% for all of the Democratic contenders and at 13% for Mitt Romney. People need to be educated on this!


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by ltsply2 on Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 05:54:04 PM EST


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