On Reachable Voters and Reaching the Netroots

Dear Leading Nevada Democrats,

Please read the extended entry. You can do that by clicking the "read more" button directly below this sentence.

During the eight presidential elections from 1976-2004, Democrats received an extremely stable percentage of the self-identified Republican vote (source). The highest percentage of self-identified Republicans to vote for a Democratic presidential nominee was 13% for Bill Clinton in 1996, and the lowest percentage was 6% for John Kerry in 2004. In the other six elections, Democrats received between 8% and 11% of the self-identified Republican vote, amounts that are very close to the margin of error for all of these surveys.

Apart from presidential elections, the inability of Democrats to win votes from a high percentage of self-identified Republicans was perhaps put into its starkest relief in 2006. Despite the Democratic landslide around the nation, and despite Democrats increasing their share of the total national House vote from 47.5% in 2004 to over 53% in 2006 (source), Democrats still only received 8% of the self-identified Republican vote (source). Remarkably, in 2006, Democratic candidates actually improved more among self-identified Democrats than they improved among self-identified Republicans:

National Democratic Share of Partisan Vote, 2006 and 2004
Independent Identifiers: 57% in 2006, up from 49% in 2004 (+8%)
Democratic Identifies: 93% in 2006, up from 89% in 2004 (+4%)
Republican Identifiers: 8% in 2006, up from 6% in 2004 (+2%)

All of this is just scratching the surface. There is simply no empirical evidence from the past forty years that Democrats have the ability to shift a statistically significant number of Republican identifiers during a national election. Democratic margins among both Independent identifiers and Democratic identifiers have proven to be both far more variable and quite statistically significant. During the past three decades, both groups have given Democrats a 26-point variance in their voting percentage: between 67-93% for Democratic self-identifiers and between 31-57% for Independent self-identifiers. When it comes either to Democrats finding new voters, or to Democrats maintaining their current "soft" voters, clearly the overwhelming percentage of these "swing" votes are to be found within Independent self-identifiers and Democratic self-identifiers.

Given this, it would follow that the news outlets with the highest combined percentage of Independent and Democratic identifiers in their audience would be the most desirable outlets for Democrats to reach. A Pew study from last year provided information on this front, as the chart on the right shows. According to the Pew study, at least two news outlets, CNN and NPR, have more reachable voters for Democrats than Fox News. When one considers that Fox's ratings have been stagnating over the past year, it is now also entirely possible that MSNBC has more reachable voters in their audience than does Fox News. That becomes even more likely when one considers the relative rigidity of older voters in their party preference habits when compared to the party preference habits younger voters, as Fox's audience is chock full of the 55+ demographic. The Pew survey also suggests that morning news programs, especially the extremely popular Today and Good Morning America programs, would also have more reachable voters than Fox News.

My point in bringing this all up is to show that the main talking point the Nevada Democratic Party is using to justify holding a debate on Fox News is hogwash. There are numerous news outlets, including NPR, that have more reachable, "swing" voters for Democrats than Fox News. However, I certainly can't remember the last time a prominent member of the Democratic Party justified going on National Public Radio as a way to reach more voters, whereas that is constantly--and robotically--the justification many use for going on Fox News. This is not even to mention that NPR is a far, far more respectable news organization than Fox News, and it will treat Democrats much more fairly than Fox will before, during and after any debate.

Now, I am well aware there are few things most leading Democrats find more distasteful than actually trying to appeal to the Democratic base, and that giving into pressure from the progressive netroots might be the most unappealing prospect of all. After all, what would the viewers of Fox News think of such a thing? The last thing Democrats need to do is to appear captive to us extremists online, as that might provoke Bill O'Reilly's wrath. I also know that leading Democrats have a long and unfortunate obsession with trying to capture the votes of the demographic groups least likely to vote for them, such as the obsession over the past two years with white evangelicals. Given this, I don't want to put them in a position where they feel they have to choose between Fox News and the netroots. So here are some ways tNevada Democrats can avoid this problem when it comes to holding a debate on Fox News:
  1. Have NPR co-host the debate. If, as leading Nevada Democrats have repeatedly stated, the rationale for have Fox News broadcast the debate is to reach new viewers / voters, than at least have a radio station with more reachable viewers / voters in its audience co-host the debate with Fox News. Since NPR is a radio station, it would not interfere with Fox News holding the television broadcast rights to the debate at all. It would also help temper coverage of the debate before it, during it, and after it, since NPR is not nearly as hostile to Democrats as is Fox News.

  2. Have Air America co-host the debate. If, as leading Nevada Democrats have implied, they know that Fox News has an anti-Democratic agenda, then at least have a radio station with an arguably pro-Democratic agenda co-host the debate. This is, after all, a Democratic primary, and as such one would think that Democrats have as much right to examine the Democratic field as Republicans. Once again, this would not interfere with Fox News holding television broadcast rights. It would also show acknowledgment of emerging progressive media, which one would think is at least as important to Democratic prospects as is long established conservative media. It would also demonstrate a sense of respect toward the voters who will actually determine the next Democratic presidential nominee--you know, Democrats?

  3. Do both. If this is about reaching out to new voters, and if you are aware that Fox News has an anti-Democratic agenda, then have NPR and Air America co-host the debate with Fox News.

  4. Come up with new talking points to justify the debate. If having either NPR or Air America co-host the debate is too much for Nevada Democrats, then at least come up with new talking points to justify having Fox host the debate that don't insult our intelligence. Fox isn't the only place where you can reach new voters, nor the best place to reach new voters. Partnering with Fox on a project does endorse them and provide them with credibility, no matter what someone may claim otherwise. Further, the fifty-state strategy also isn't just about talking to red areas and purple areas of the country-- fifty-states means blue areas too (remember those?). We are not a bunch of idiots who can be placated simply by repeatedly stating the same talking point no matter what question we are asking you. How did that work out for you in your Dailykos diary yesterday, anyway? You may think we act like a bunch of snotty know-it-alls, but believe me when I write that during an episode like this, that feeling is absolutely mutual.
There are lots of ways we can reach a mutually agreeable solution on this issue. It does not have to be all or nothing. Let's work this out.

Oh, and anytime you need instructions on how to properly formulate an embedded hyperlink, you might actually ask someone who has done it before. Just a thought.

Best,
Chris Bowers

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Thank you! (none / 0)

Excellent arguments for stopping this August trainwreck.  Nevada Dems, don't disengage from FOX for the netroots, disengage for these real reasons Chris presents!  You can't get the voters you think you can at FOX -- all you'll do is get our candidates disrespected (madrassa, hello??) and our party devalued.


by TeddySanFran on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:59:17 PM EST

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When I first saw that at DKos last night, I had to go check the state party site.  I had to make sure it wasn't a joke.  The joke is still on Tom Collins because from his canned responses last night, I am sure people probably snicker behind his back.  Does anyone know how this tool came to lead the NV Dems?  Is he Harry's buddy?


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:06:50 PM EST
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Collins is a DINO! (none / 0)

Tom Collins barely got elected as State Party Chair last year as the progressives, for the first time, tried running an organized opposition campaign against the entrenced DINO - and we almost won.

In fact, we denied him the mandate he sought - and he responded like a common bully with anger and being a dictator...the party has been going to hell in a hand-basket ever since!

The first thing he did, along with another DINO, Clark County Chair Liz Foley, is "purge into poltical purgatory" all of the progressives (and anyone else he couldn't intimidate) form the coveted Central Committee - the only Dems who can actually cast a vote in the State Party elelctions (which are coming up) March 31st - we were simply disenfranchized by executive fiat!

Guess who's in charge of the upcoming elections - TOM COLLINS!

Guess who is the Chair of the 2008 Nevada Caucus Committee/Commission - TOM COLLINS!

He's NOT going anywhere, the DINO's have taken over OUR Democratic Party...

...nothing could be sadder than what's happenin' in Nevada!

There is a cancer on the Nevada Democartic Party!

I know what I'm talking about, I've been deeply and broadly involved in the NSDP for years - and I'm one of the progressives that has been, now, ostracized...check out my bio at http://www.vegascommunityonline.com/John athanAbbinett.htm (I'm a well known state wide Veterans Advocate and Activist) and I was the Founder and Past State Chair of the Nevada Democratic Veterans and Military Families Corps Caucus.

I can, and would, testify in any court of law to these statements...

NSDP State Chair is a bully, dictator, homophobe, religious zealot, sexist and DINO!


by J L Abbinett on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 02:49:14 AM EST
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None of these things would satisfy me.  Primary debates are about Democrats picking a side, not showing our candidates to a general election public.  It will get negative, there will be attacks, and it is just going to make us look bad in front of people who will be gleeful about it.


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by ItsDrewMiller on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:05:03 PM EST

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Dude - are you gonna explain how you know that Hillary was talking about Dems last week about terror in your much publicized piece.  You quoted Peter Daou saying that she most likely meant republicans....Then why did you say on friday that she meant Dems?  Have you heard back from Daou?  Or did you just make this up based upon your own bias?  Her campaign said it was about Repubs, if they meant to attack Dems (and they did you say) why-o-why wouldnt they just say yup thats what we mean.  It wasnt like this statement came from an overheard conversation, this twas a very public event.  Atrios says that there is something called "the Clinton Rules"  In that Clinton haters feel they can say anything - make anything up - as long as its about the Clintons.  Is that your policy?  Facts.  People here deserve facts not pr alchemy.

If you go down that road of deciding yourself whats true and whats not - how are you any better than a Rush spewing untruth to his dido heads?  Is that your idea of leadership?  Again Daou (the offical Clinton campaign net fellow) said it was a statement about Repubs - you say it was Dems.  What is your proof?

I have asked this of you repeatedly, this question deserves an answer. We cant just make stuff up just because it helps our favs.  We have GOT to better than the other side, or all this is just insincere posing and the other side will kick our butt because theyre better at this false game and have a louder voice.  We must keep politico mythos out of this election and demand only the facts from the MSM. Are we any better if we dont demand the same from ourselves.


by timlhowe on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 10:10:52 PM EST

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he did respond to this with a followup post with a link to a video of her speech. You should be able to find it if you look around.
by okamichan13 on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:46:32 AM EST
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No, no, no.  The update was a video and a statement by Stoller that said itw "obvious" that she meant the Dems.  No, its far from f-ing obvious.  Her campaign fellow Peter Daou said it was meant towards Republicans.  But Bowers, Stoller and Kos say it was meant for Democrats.  Why is it OK for Hillary's opponents to just make stuff up and/or use GOP scripted falsehoods. Atrios calls this process "Clinton Rules".  The idea that you can say or make up anything as long as its about the Clintons.

My friend, she is 22 points ahead of he closest opponent in a six way race, logic says she has a good chance to win.  Do you think it is a good idea to try to do to Hillary what the Bradley- Nader people did to Gore in 2000.  Or where you like Bowers and Stoller not paying attention back then?


by timlhowe on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 02:53:58 AM EST
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Remind me (none / 0)

Who was ahead at this point in the last presidential cycle?  

Hillary is not so arrogant and stupid as to consider this in the bag before a single primary vote has been cast. Stop painting her as such. Supporters like you are her worst enemy right now.

This is primary season.  She's talking about her primary opponents.  Daou's dancing as fast as he can, understandably, but the claim is not credible.
 


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by boadicea on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:03:49 PM EST
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It doesnt matter what you believe is credible when it comes to reporting.  Tha can be your own judgemont...but it is unfair to make the statement as fact.  Again, if they wanted to make that charge, why would they be fearful to continue?

She wouldnt believe its in the bag, neither did I, I just said it was possible.  very possible.

The last election was very different.  The name recognition of the candidates, outside of Lieberman, was very low.  The 3 main candidates now have name rec that is at about 80% and above.  Also, the support for Hillary is considered by pollsters as firm.  They know her, theyve heard the Negs, theyve made their decision. That makes her condition quite good when it comes to the math.


by timlhowe on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 07:39:40 PM EST
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Re: On Reachable Voters and Reaching the Netroots (3.00 / 1)

What I can't get over is the fact that Tom Collins:
  1. Ackowledged that Fox "News" is conservative and decidedly unfriendly to Democrats
  2. Continues saying that the decision to go with Fox "News" was to get our message out to new voters
  3. Doesn't seem to realize that getting our message out to new voters for the first time through the Fox "News" filter is about the worst way you could possibly go about doing so.

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by Fran for Dean on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:19:34 AM EST

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I think he means "voters who don't normally hear our message because of their media consumption choices," not "people who have never voted before."


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by ItsDrewMiller on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 03:39:39 AM EST
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To Which I Say (3.00 / 1)

It's a god-damned primary, Tom.

Bring in new Democratic leaning voters to the process, and you'll breath new life into your state party.

Keep trying to woo the Rep leaning (even if they say they're Indies) voters and you dilute your message with your natural constituency.

Fox Noise will never love you.  They will never be fair to you.  They are distortionists by design, not by accident.

I keep trying to say these folks aren't stupid.  I'd like a little help with that argument, Chairman Collins and Senator Reid.

Stop this folly.  I recommend Barbara Tuchman's The March of Folly if you need a concrete example of the political foolishness of continuing to pursue a policy against the best interests of the Democratic Party.

That said, I really love the way Chris' brain works. That solution would save face for those who made this decision and build a natural Dem leaning audience for the event.


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by boadicea on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 12:59:37 PM EST
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Re: To Which I Say (none / 0)

Yeah I totally, agree, just trying to clarify.  :-)


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by ItsDrewMiller on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 07:30:51 PM EST
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Well played, Chris Bowers! (none / 0)

Extraordinarily well done.  

This has been a surreal episode and your rational argument is such a tonic.


by Klio on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 10:50:38 AM EST

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How would those percent translate into raw numbers? I realise the amount of Democrats watching will vary from program to program and that many of the 'Democrats' watching Fox News will probably not vote that way anyway, but the numbers I've been hearing suggest that a fair number will still be reached this way.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 03:46:15 PM EST

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Thank you so much for this post Chris.  It's dead-on.  Fantastic compromise suggestions.  A good compromise is one where you don't lose.


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