Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha

Last week, I wrote that a few of the key obstacles to ending the war are Blue Dogs,, Harry Reid and Rahm Emanuel.  The Washington Post reports:

"If you strictly limit a commander's ability to rotate troops in and out of Iraq, that kind of inflexibility could put some missions and some troops at risk," said Rep. Chet Edwards (D-Tex.), who personally lodged his concerns with Murtha.

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"Congress has no business micromanaging a war, cutting off funding or even conditioning those funds," said Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.), a leading Democratic moderate, who called Murtha's whole effort "clumsy."

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"I think Congress begins to skate on thin ice when we start to micromanage troop deployments and rotations," said Texas's Edwards, whose views reflect those of several other Democrats from conservative districts.

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.) pointed out that Democrats still have public opinion strongly on their side and that a vote on any plan would place Republicans in more jeopardy than Democrats. A new, more restrictive authorization for the war also is gaining serious consideration in the House, Emanuel noted.

Chet Edwards and Jim Cooper are both Blue Dogs from Southern districts, so I get that they aren't going to be outfront on liberal issues.  But what they are saying here is not only arguing that Bush ought to continue the war, but reaffirms all the right-wing tropes.  Murtha's plan endangers the troops.  Don't tie the hands of the Commander-in-Chief.  There's talk of passing the Murtha plan, but giving waivers to Bush to deploy non-combat ready troops.  I told you - not serious.  And then there's this.

But that approach may be all but dead, according to several Democratic lawmakers. Murtha doomed his own plan in part by unveiling it on a left-wing Web site, inflaming party moderates.

I don't know if I believe that, as Post reporters Shailagh Murray and Jonathan Weisman are kind of crappy.  But I'm sure this argument is at least being used within the House.  Look, if you want to know why the Democratic brand has problems, it's because Blue Dogs are always reaffirming right-wing frames, and idiots like Rahm Emanuel are talking to reporters about what's popular as opposed to what needs to happen to end the war.  It's important to note that now the House wants to move to where the Senate is, which is to rewrite the Authorization for the Use of Military Force.

I got some flack last week for saying that the Democratic leadership, in particular Harry Reid, isn't really serious about ending the war.  Scott Lemieux, Matt Yglesias, and Steven Benen all disagreed with my assertion because they argued that Reid couldn't pass the nonbinding resolution.  Eric Alterman even labeled me one of many lazy reporters for asserting that Reid wasn't serious about ending the war.  One of Reid's spokespeople called me up pretty upset that I would dare assert something like this.  

Of course, I didn't argue that Reid should have passed the resolution.  I said that his priorities are misplaced.  He never did the work to force the Republicans to vote on the war, giving them the easiest possible out.  Rather than deal with Iraq, Reid let the Senate go into recess.  Rather than put up an initial strong position, defunding the war, he started with a fig leaf and McConnell smacked him around.  

And let's be real.  This talk of authorization is coming from Joe Biden, and while I agree with it, it's only a starting point which will only get worse as McConnell takes a whack at it.  Already the House is moving from Murtha's hard stance to the Senate's position.  This is soft negotiating.  Do you really think, if Reid couldn't get a nonbinding resolution through, that he's going to be able to get a rewrite of the AUMF through?  Of course not.  He needs to task for more.  Reid should demand the Murtha plan.  That will push the Blue Dogs back in the House, and actually give us a real shot of restricting Bush's power.  Reid can't pass it, of course, but that was never the point.  If you start with defunding, maybe you can get to rewriting the AUMF with some cession of the escalation.  If your main fight is over the AUMF, I don't see how you get there.  In other words, where you start dictates where you finish.  And Reid has chosen to put his priorities somewhere other than ending the war.

That's fine.  That's who he is.  But let's stop having illusions about the conservative Democratic leadership in Congress.  I mean, Yglesias, Lemieux, Alterman and Benen seem to have an awful lot of confidence that the Democratic docility of the last twenty years, the docility that caused Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid to sabotage Ned Lamont, has suddenly changed.  I'm still looking for evidence.  Chet Edwards, Jim Cooper, and Rahm Emanuel are problems in this debate, and they need to be primaried.  So is Harry Reid, and Joe Biden.  I'd like some progressives to step up and go after these people publicly, because it's time to fight to end the war, and push the ball down the field.

As for us, let's get rid of our illusions.  Democrats in the House and Senate will move only if we move them.  As of now, they are laughing at us openly, and I will point you to Reid's clumsy misleading statements about his obvious role in the Fox News debacle, and his lack of concern about our extremely reasonable demand not to give Fox News legitimacy.  If he's so disdainful of Democrats on something so trivial, what makes you think he's serious about Iraq, an issue he really doesn't want to touch.  It's time to get to work.

UPDATE: Chet Edwards is not a Blue Dog.



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Re: Blue Dogs (none / 0)

If we don't want dissenting voices in the caucus to limit what we can do, then obviously we need to win more seats. Another 20-30 seats and we could pass things without the blue dogs' support, much like in the Congress immediately following the 1964 landslide.

Also, Chet Edwards is not a blue dog. Check the members list.

There are some others that I am surprised to see on there though.

http://www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/membe rs.htm


by R2Dem2 on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:36:01 AM EST

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I'm very surprised to see Mike Arcuri (NY-24) on there.  He has no reason to associate with this bunch.  


by LionelEHutz on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:57:46 AM EST
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Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (3.00 / 1)

Great post!  It's an up hill battle that I am thrilled you are willing to wage.


by aiko on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:47:15 AM EST

Caveat (none / 0)

Matt, its important to see the bigger picture sometimes.  Thanks to the engine of democracy, Reid who only has a single senate seat in the majority , is going to have to listen to the minority party + compromise.

I think, however, we do need to ratchet things up a bit. First, its not really important what news media entertainment channels do, or don't do - lets begin there. The crucial 18-24 age group demographic has crashed on this form of media, and its not coming back. The only time they will get a ratings boost is if Borat makes an appearance on their show. Jagshamesh!

In fact, the FCC is responsible for policing this kind of action. All we really need is truth in labelling, just like the food we eat - and if the news media entertainment channel you've spoken of is not, in fact, objective - then they can be labelled as such, in a way clearly visible to the viewer - right now its saying "box news" or whatever their name is, so let it say "box news media entertainment" and there you'll have it, keep going on that remote control - if you want to see news.

Although I do agree with you in principle, your idea that a simple set of postings on a blog and some loosely coordinated actions against these senators - hardly represents a party position.

And finally, yes I do agree with your base principle which is that inertia has set in, and we must start lighting things up.

My main problem is that the media in general will tend to push before us only sensationalism - hillary said this, obama said that, blah bla blah.
I wonder if the real solution to this problem might be to find a way to change the dialogue in our country so that every time we speak, we don't have to have a dog and pony going in the background?

You know, sort of what happened to moe's tavern when moe started turning it into a family restaurant? I mean, the simpsons movie is coming out pretty soon.. we should get going.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:11:15 AM EST

The Washpo (3.00 / 1)

says "Murtha doomed his own plan in part by unveiling it on a left-wing Web site, inflaming party moderates."

Out of curiosity, which website?

In any case, it's clear that not enough Dems in Congress have the stomach to do what needs to be done. The "soft on terrorism-support the troops" line still scares them shitless.

It's remarkable that the war in Iraq has done so little to change the politics of national security.


by david mizner on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:13:42 AM EST

Re: The Washpo (none / 0)

not sure... but I know when I recently watched moveon's latest move: Ground Truth at a house party == Murtha had a taped message afterwards.


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 12:10:27 PM EST
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MoveCongress.org (none / 0)

Murtha's interview was available on the homepage here. This is a consortium of sorts, and because the name is too close to MoveOn.org, they're having a contest to rename the site! The video itself runs 24 minutes.


by Books Alive on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:44:29 PM EST
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Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

Patrick Murphy is a Blue Dog. Perhaps he should help getting them in line.


by PsiFighter37 on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:31:37 AM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

They don't all agree on all issues, and Patrick is overseas at the moment.


by Adam B on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 12:11:23 PM EST
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Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

I'm wondering if Patrick Murphy pro-Military Commissions Act was a pro-war Rahm pick...

Just found out his campaign manager has now joined AIPAC as regional manager... Humm I wonder where Murphy is going to stand on Israeli Palestinian peace issues..

http://www.timensclub.com/events.htm


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:23:39 PM EST
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Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

January 21, 2007:

Joint Program with Kol Nashim.  Our speaker will be Josh Nanberg, Regional Political Director of AIPAC. Josh joined AIPAC as mid-Atlantic Political Director in late August after 10 years of working in electoral politics.

Immediately prior to joining AIPAC, Josh managed the successful primary election campaign of Patrick Murphy in Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District, covering Bucks county and parts of Philadelphia and Montgomery counties. Previously, he has worked on Congressional campaigns in Utah and Massachusetts, the 2000 Senate campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton in New York, and as Campaign Manager for former Secretary of State Kevin Shelley in California. In 2003, he served as political director for the Montgomery County, PA Democratic Committee, coordinating the campaigns of 12 candidates for county office and serving as an adviser to several local campaigns in the area. Josh's first foray into electoral politics was in the national press office for the 1996 Clinton/Gore reelection campaign, and he served as research director for the Kerry-Edwards effort in Pennsylvania.

This summer, Josh made the transition from partisan electoral politics in order to focus solely on pro-Israel politics and ensuring the strength of the U.S.-Israel relationship. As Mid-Atlantic political director, he is responsible not only for tracking all of the key Senate and Congressional races in Northern Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Southern and Central New Jersey and most of Pennsylvania, but also for educating AIPAC members on the races and--most importantly--encouraging Pro-Israel political activity in the region. He is a 1996 graduate of Syracuse University with degrees in Journalism and Public Policy, and received his Masters in Government Administration from the Fels Institute of Government at the University of Pennsylvania in 2004.


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:25:25 PM EST
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evidence-based politics (none / 0)

I mean, Yglesias, Lemieux, Alterman and Benen seem to have an awful lot of confidence that the Democratic docility of the last twenty years, the docility that caused Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid to sabotage Ned Lamont, has suddenly changed.  I'm still looking for evidence.  

Indeed. Much of political punditry strikes me as the same sort of hand-waving reliance on assumption, tradition, and personal anecdotal experience (with a strong dash of wish fulfillment) as traditional medicine.

Now we have evidence-based medicine that tries to apply some scientific rigour to diagnosis and treatment. In a similar vein, perhaps we need an evidence-based politics.


NB
by azizhp on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:01:52 AM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

This is exactly right: "Democrats in the House and Senate will move only if we move them."

Public pressuure.  It is why we still have a long way to go in changing the Democratic Party.  Primaries are part of it.  Fear of being "primaried" also is part of it.

Excellent article, Matt.  I find I agree with the folks "up here" on MyDD a lot.  Somehow I visualize MyDD as "up here" from dkos.  The conversation is a little different here.  Both are very good.  

You, Chris, and the others here seem a little more movement/activist oriented.  I like that.  Soem of you also seem to see in the Edwards campaign what I do -- a posibility to move the change we want forward.  It's more about the movement and the change it can create than about any one candidate.

Thanks.  Keep up the good work.


by littafi on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:06:39 AM EST

Did I read this right? (3.00 / 3)

Did Matt really say that we need to primary Chet Edwards?  

Look, if you really believe that Murtha's plan is the way to go and that the leadership should have started with defunding plans, rather than with non-binding resolutions, then fine.  That's a defensible position, although strategically not one that I agree with.  But I really think it is ridiculous to (1) accuse anyone that disagrees with that strategic position of somehow still "supporting" the war; and (2) say that we should primary someone like Edwards.  

With respect to the first point, it's not just "DLC" democrats that view defunding as a tough issue.  Jim Webb, amongst others, also thinks that's a bad idea.  Now, I personally think that cutting off funding may very well be necessary eventually -- but I think it has to be done VERY carefully and with the full support of the public behind it.  Steps like the nonbinding resolutions and/or revisiting war authorization help to build explicit support for DEFUNDING as opposed to just against the war, which we obviously already have.  Now, obviously it's possible that I'm wrong about what the right strategy is, but either way I am STILL on the side of progressives who want to end the war.  So are some of the people you're attacking.

Second, can we stop pretending that the netroots are going to primary every politician they don't like out of existence?  I gave money to Ned Lamont.  Primaries can be a very good thing.  But trying to take out Chet Edwards?  That's just stupid.  The same with Rahm, though for different reasons.  That would just be flushing money down the toilet.  


by HSTruman on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:23:21 AM EST

The fact is (none / 0)

there's a palpable worry among Congressional Dems about the political fallout from this debate, worry that is unwarranted given the sentiment of the country, and cowardly given the immorality of the war.

The most serious effort to block the war in the Senate is the Feingold amendment. All you really have to do to discern this is to consider the author. The smart-set would say that the votes aren't there to push such a measure, but you don't know until you try, and in any case; why aren't the votes there? Why aren't Dems at this late date doing taking the boldest action available to stop the war?


by david mizner on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:26:08 AM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

Blue Dogs are a huge problem. As you say they constantly reinforce right wing frames. They call themselves "the fiscally conservative Democrats". Which reinforces the right wing frame that only Republicans are fiscally conservative and the other Democrats except them are not.

I remember at a news conference in the opening days of the Congress they repeated that line and Hoyer came out to speak and he had to correct them that he thinks the program they were touting was "fiscally responsible" They just don't see how damaging that little word can be in the context of damaging the Democratic brand.

I really can't stand them...and hey Hoyer is not a perfect liberal by any means, but even he saw how ridiculous it was to for them to keep using that moniker.


by need some wood on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:36:30 AM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

OT - Vilsack out - see Atrios!!


by Astraea on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:39:09 AM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

With the very big exception of the Iraq war, Murtha votes more conservatively than many of the members on the Blue Dog list.

Anyway, some of the blue dogs continually drain cash from the national party.  Leonard Boswell get $800,000 in DCCC expenditures and will probably take another million this cycle.  Melissa Bean did the same.  In part, this is a natural tendency (although misguided) to overvalue "veteran" lawmakers.  Loesback and Braley will not get that kind of cash in 2008.  Nor will Selden Spencer in Iowa 4.

The votes are not nearly the problem as th repetition of Bush/Rove talking points in the mouths of elected officials.  Certainly no other House member on the Gulf Coast lashed out at Bush as much as Blue Dog Charlie Melancon.  (certainly not Bill Jefferson).  Melancon won by an unexpectedly large margin the last time out.  "oral betrayal" is not needed and does not help.


by David Kowalski on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:40:36 AM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (3.00 / 3)

Declaring that Chet Edwards needs to be "primaried" shows your lack of understanding of that district (which has been redrawn considerably several times) because Edwards' constituents LOVE him.  His district is highly republican-leaning. He's continually on the Republicans' most-targeted list, yet he always manages to eek out a win. (They drew him into Texas A&M's district, a highly republican-leaning university... but a mistake, as they didn't understand the loyalty that friggin' Aggies have for one another [he's an Aggie]).

Long tirade short, a "progressive" primary challenge would only serve to strengthen Chet Edwards, as he would LOVE it, able to point out that "see! he's not a liberal."

Another aside...

Chet Edwards, until only recently, has been the representative for Fort Hood, the largest (land-wise) military base in the united states (and he's remarkably been re-elected in TEXAS as a DEMOCRAT over and over again, and has maintained those party allegiances). And you bet your ass that he'd NEVER vote for anything that REMOTELY smelled of hindering troop operations. Chet Edwards is simply espousing the views that a vast majority of his constituents have. When Chet Edwards goes, his district goes with him.


Invest in nature
by NCDem on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:50:07 AM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

The WaPost gives 'moderates' a bad name --- please let's call a spade a spade. Jim Cooper (Tenn.), is NOT a leading Democratic 'moderate,'  nor are many of the other panty waist Blue Dog Dems. They are conservatives from conservative districts. Thank you.


by JohnS on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:58:14 AM EST

At some point (none / 0)

it may be useful to develop language for our vulnerable members that doesn't reinforce right wing talking points.

Nobody does this because we are so focused on developing the talking points to make the plan succeed. But we have to realize that on certain issue, there will be Party members who need the room to state their concerns so that voters can feel that they are doing their jobs.

This requires language that gives them the room they need but doesn't harm the Democratic Brand....


by Nazgul35 on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 12:00:52 PM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

wow matt do you even know what the meaning of electoral politics is?

no other democrat has as much of a rat's ass chance of carrying chet edwards's district.

and rahm emanuel is not a "problem in the debate" by saying that popular sentiment is on our side.

matt stoller is the reason why people think bloggers are unhinged.


by eddersen on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:48:11 PM EST

DON'T PRIMARY CHET EDWARDS! (3.00 / 2)

Read your history.  He was the only Texas Dem. to survive Tom DeLay's mid-decade redistricting.  He wins in a 70% republican district.  He has been a target for the past two election cycles and in '06 smashed his opponent.  If you suceed in winning a primary against him (which is doubtful) you will suceed in losing the general election to a real right-winger.

Leave Chet alone.  The people of his district trust and respect him.  And he is an outspoken advocate for Veterans.

Fight on!


by Richard Morrison on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:58:51 PM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (2.00 / 2)

this guy Stoller is one silly son of a gun.  Does he not understand the words "super majority"/  Does he not understand what it takes to override a presidential veto.  Maybe he is to young to have seen Schoolhouse Rock and get the downlow on how our Nation makes law...but lets make this simple for him...whining and screaming and barking at our side, our allies, our team will not bring one trooper one day early...jeeze get a clue will ya?  These times dont call for grandstanding from know little amateurs, these times demand backroom finesse and cubbyhole sluggery...two things that lil' Matt doesnt think we should trouble with.  He (and his) demand and they expect folks to jump.  Sorry pal, Ill trust Rahm's combo of brains and brawns over Matts divide and demand any ol' day.


by timlhowe on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:49:03 PM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (1.00 / 1)

i couldn't agree more. this matt stoller guy is as stupid as he is brazen and unreasonable. MyDD's voice is sullied by his simplistic, rash commentary.

unfortunately, matt, this country is a democracy. popular sentiment, as much as you or i disagree with it sometimes, is the trump card.

you can't expect harry reid to force any resolution down the senate's throat when the chamber has 49 republicans, nor can you force defunding the war on congressman chet edwards when his district is majority republican.


by eddersen on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:13:38 PM EST
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Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (1.00 / 1)

`Actually I just re-read Stollers piece- he aint silly hes stupid.  I come to this site to read jerome and then i end up reading this self appointed expert who says that we should "primary" many of our leading Dems.  Let me tell you folks, I used to have big ol battles with Rahm back in the WH days and he nearly always won.  The Congressman from the Chicago Bears would make this tough guy of the type pad whine and cry for his Mama if he actually had the balls to challenge him...on anything.  Jeeze, does anybody actually believe that this guy truly has any knowledge about politics or strategy or anything worth hearing.  Come on folks - he is only pretending he knows this stuff - he has only opinions - and without knowledge or thought - they are as they are written - truly, deeply worthless.


by timlhowe on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:04:13 PM EST

Re: Blue Dogs Sabotage Murtha (none / 0)

Reid is going to try and tie the rewriting of the AUMF to the war funding bill. Repubs who vote against it vote against funding the troops. Reid has a shot at getting it passed with a veto proof majority. It pretty much forces Bush to follow most of the ISG's recommendations.  


by markg8 on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:32:04 PM EST


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