Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential Debate

If Dean, Reid, and all those state parties are serious about reaching out to voters that are not traditionally participants in the Democratic primary process, there's a much better solution than Fox News.  Fox News is a Republican propaganda outfit, which isn't just my opinion, but Howard Dean's as well.  But more than that, Fox News, indeed, no cable network is really involving the public in the debate process.  They aren't built to do that.

But CurrentTV is.  CurrentTV is targeted at young viewers who create their own media; on the home page right now there's a question 'Renewable Energy: What's th best plan?' with not a news story, but a submission form.  Current is an attempt at a genuine conversation, not a top-down TV sound bite model.

When real political candidates show up at a forum, they legitimize that forum.  If Fox News can host a Democratic Presidential forum, it becomes a real news outlet.  Democrats are forced to watch our leaders pay respects to a group of people who regularly use their bullhorn to call us traitors.  That's bad, and we don't like it.  We've made our voices heard about that, and Reid is probably hoping that if he ignores us we'll go away.

But the flip side of this is that CurrentTV can also be legitimized as a real news outlet if real political candidates show up at a forum.  Reid and the Nevada Democrats could play a critical role in building a new communications platform for Democratic politics by pointing at Current's citizen involvement and youth focus, and saying 'more of this please'.  Imagine the creativity and innovation CurrentTV and the internet can bring to the Presidential debate process, integrating video podcasts, blogging, public discourse, and fundraising.  It would crack the debate wide open.

Imagine this scenario - during the debate, CurrentTV has a web page set up for conversation about each candidate, along with a donate button and a tally of the cash coming in to each candidate.  Who won the debate?  Well just look at the amount of money and tally it up (this is one place the money will come from, Atrios).  Pretty sweet from all sides, isn't it?  Well maybe not Rupert Murdoch's but it would work for everyone else now wouldn't it?

Or take this other scenario - CurrentTV breaks down clips in real time, posting them on the web, and then asks viewers to remix answers as the debate is going on.  They will play the best newly remixed clips at the end of the debate.  

In 2008, rewriting the map is going to be about young voters and new media.  CurrentTV is all about young viewers and new media.  It's a great match.  Let's crack the debate wide open - it's what we elected Howard Dean to do.



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Re: Current TV Should Host (3.00 / 1)

I believe MSNBC and Foxnews should switch debates.  The Democratic debate goes to MSNBC, thereby legitimizing MSNBC and hurting Foxnews.  Foxnews can have the Republican debate MSNBC signed on for.  


by georgep on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:53:51 PM EST

Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (3.00 / 0)

I REALLY like this idea.  We should be pressuring our leaders as hard as possible to empower the new open source media and help build a viable alternative to the old media gatekeepers.  It's WAY past time for the rebirth of the marketplace of ideas, don't you think?


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by Sean Robertson on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:54:08 PM EST

Brilliant! (none / 0)

Yes! Yes! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


by Alice Marshall on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:58:13 PM EST

brilliant idea, brilliant! (none / 0)

I don't see how anyone could oppose this while claiming to have the best interests of the Democratic Party in mind.


by Bob Brigham on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:00:01 PM EST

Re: brilliant idea, brilliant! (none / 0)

Huh?  It is a debatable issue, but Current TV?  They don't have a large following.  I had never heard about that site before I saw it referenced to in this post.   Should the debate not hit as wide an audience as possible?   You are basically taking out of the equation of viewership of an interesting debate folks who don't have a high-speed internet connection or a powerful computer (which includes many minorities in particular, but also many folks in the general population.)


by georgep on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:15:39 PM EST
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Re: brilliant idea, brilliant! (none / 0)

Current is a TV channel.


by Matt Stoller on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:17:52 PM EST
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Re: brilliant idea, brilliant! (none / 0)

Not in this market (Tampa Bay.)  


by georgep on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:25:50 PM EST
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"Current TV" is available nationally,,, (none / 0)

...via satellite to a fraction of DISH Network and most DirecTV customers.


by Eric Jaffa on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:54:35 PM EST
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Re: brilliant idea, brilliant! (none / 0)

Channel 128 on Bright House Cable in Hillsborough County.


by Michael D on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:03:45 PM EST
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Re: brilliant idea, brilliant! (none / 0)

Ah, I have Verizon FIOS TV and before that I had DirecTV.   I don't think Current TV is on either of those, unless I missed it?  


by georgep on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:22:04 PM EST
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Distribution (3.00 / 1)

Current TV is not available on basic cable.  I'd rather it be on the Food Network.


by Michael D on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:06:21 PM EST

Re: Distribution (none / 0)

It could be available on the internet.


by Matt Stoller on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:07:28 PM EST
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Re: Distribution (3.00 / 1)

That's true.  But Current TV can't have the candidates compete in Kitchen Stadium to see whose campaign will reign supreme.

I've never seen a Current TV special.  It seems to be very devoted to the pod format.

If we're looking for broad cable distribution as well as good online availability, why not C-SPAN?


by Michael D on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:18:08 PM EST
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Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (none / 0)

This is a truly great idea, so long as Gore commits to staying out of the race.  I want Gore to run, but that would retroactively make this a serious conflict of interest.


by jhupp on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:07:07 PM EST

Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (3.00 / 1)

I like Current TV a lot - love the pods - but isn't their reach a little sparse? I know they have a young demographic, but we need to reach a wide audience too.

Couldn't they try for PBS?

Anywhere but the FOX Noise Channel.


by GregNYC on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:14:49 PM EST

Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (3.00 / 2)

Cosponsorship with C-Span would fix that.


by Matt Stoller on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:18:11 PM EST
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Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (none / 0)

This would be a good idea, but for the fact that Current TV is only available to those with Digital cable, at least in Maryland.  

That means millions of people (the poorest btw) would not have access to the debate coverage. Of course the same problem sort of exists with FOX news being only on basic cable.  

Great idea.  If only Current were more accessible.  


by andy k on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:16:21 PM EST

Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (none / 0)

Current is available in 30 million U.S. homes.  That seems like a lot.

Also, C-Span could cosponsor, and it would be streamed on the internet.


by Matt Stoller on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:19:28 PM EST
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Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (none / 0)

If C-Span would co-sponsor, this would be a great idea.


by andy k on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:57:20 PM EST
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Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (3.00 / 1)

That's about a third as many homes as CNN (domestically).  But I do agree that Current is a better choice than Fox News.


by Michael D on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:05:53 PM EST
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Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (3.00 / 0)

30 million homes is not a lot.  It's barely 20%.  It's actually the bare minimum amount of homes you need to register Nielsen ratings.  And if you look at those ratings with regard to Current, it's probably under 100,000 viewers nightly.  Actually it's probably half that.  The reach among blog readers and Internet denizens is probably grossly exaggerated.

And I know lots of people who work at Current.  They can't handle a two-minute segment without fire alarms going off, let alone a two-hour live event.  They simply don't have any production people on staff, and their President (not Gore, he's a figurehead) is a HUGE a-hole.  The only reason they repeat pods so much is because he bottlenecks everything and drives everyone crazy.  Their Internet team is actually not all that good either.  The rawness of their content and ingenuity of their citizen collaborators mask some huge problems with that network.  This is a nice idea, but would not end up well.  At all.


by dday on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 12:43:31 AM EST
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Re: Current TV Should Host the (none / 0)

I hate to tell you but Murdoch has even got his grubby little hands on Current TV too...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/de691d8a-552e-11 db-acba-0000779e2340.html

But yes, it's a good idea to get Current TV on-board.


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:21:16 PM EST

Re: Current TV Should Host (none / 0)

Or take this other scenario - CurrentTV breaks down clips in real time, posting them on the web, and then asks viewers to remix answers as the debate is going on.  They will play the best newly remixed clips at the end of the debate.

Or better yet -- let viewers type or videotape responses to the clips (as on YouTube) and play those back to the candidates so viewers can respond in real time, while the debate is still going on.


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by Nonpartisan on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:30:13 PM EST

It's not perfect, but I like this idea (none / 0)

No better way to reach out to a new constituency-I mean a really new one like younger voters, not the same Fox Noise conservatives the Dems have been unsuccessfully triangulating themselves to for the last 3 presidential cycles.

It does have a smaller reach, though the C-Span link up helps that. Even more than the relatively low number of persuadable eyeballs a Democratic primary debate will bring on the Republican network, playing this right and strong will pay other dividends. It will mark hardball with the media. Piss on the Dems, and you will not get a free pass anymore.  It will help delegitimize the propaganda channel-whose numbers are trending downward anyway-that will go back to bashing you at the earliest opportunity because they are bad actors in the process anyway.

And the controversy can drive more eyeballs to your eventual venue to see what all the fuss was about.

Nonetheless, what it boils down to, imo, is that the western Dems are afraid that they'll look beholden to the scary blogger hoardes if they change course here. So, they'll shoot the entire field in the foot yet again, because toes are overrated.

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH H!!!!!!!!

Use the primary to BUILD YOUR NATURAL BASE and bring in new voters.

Woo the crossovers during the general election. The primary is for solidifying and exciting your base voters.


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by boadicea on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:36:39 PM EST

Go tell Howard (none / 0)

and let us know what he says.


by KimPossible on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:56:18 PM EST

"Current TV" doesn't want to be known... (none / 0)

...as a Democratic TV channel.

And they only play short videos (usually 12 minutes or less).

I don't see this happening in 2007/2008.


by Eric Jaffa on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:57:12 PM EST

I agree with you (none / 0)

It probably won't happen, but it's a great idea.

Current TV could, were they to do this, make the same offer to the Republicans. Hosting a debate does not make a TV channel the representative of a party (that's rather the point - Fox may have hosting rights, but it's not less anathema to the Democratic party for it.

Concerns about feasability aside, this is an opportunity that should be grabbed with both hands.


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by Englishlefty on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 11:54:29 AM EST
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New Format (none / 0)

This is a great idea.  I take everyone's points about audience size and availability, but as Matt pointed out, Current reaches 30 million viewers and posting clips on the net and/or cosponsorship with C-SPAN seem to answer most of those question marks.

I also wanted to point out though that this isn't the only debate these guys and gal will have.  Everyone in America will have their chance to take a look at all the horses.

Also, seems that the big point here is not just to dump FOX sponsorship, but to seize on the opportunity to try a new debate format.  Getting out of the staid format that just results in innumerable, meaningless soundbites from the candidate is an end in and of itself.

Think of this as proof of concept for future elections.


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by Mike Connery on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:09:25 PM EST

Re: Current TV is the big winner (none / 0)

This seems to benefit CurrentTV a lot more than it benefits Democrats (apart from the fact that anything other than Fox benefits Dems greatly). Sure interactive features would be nice, but this will be streamed somewhere, and those bonuses could be associated with any online venue, albeit with somewhat reduced reach. It might be nice to try some of these ideas first at the state or local level too. Generally I think broader reach is better, add the niceties on top, but don't ghettoize the debate just to try and help out a new channel that isn't really about this format anyway.
In the end it could backfire on CurrentTV too, if they become not just "Al Gore's channel" but also "the Democrats' channel."
Is there a reason not to try for broadcast TV instead of cable?
by jujube on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:34:22 PM EST

Re: Current TV is the big winner (none / 0)

Why couldn't Current do it for Republicans as well?  

It wouldn't make Current TV "Democratic TV" anymore than hosting democratic debates would make NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC or any other channel "Democratic TV."

The point is to try something new becuase the debates could be a lot more interactive and engaging than they already are.  And that would be a net plus for the public sphere in general.


Youth to Power
by Mike Connery on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:43:58 PM EST
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Re: Current TV (none / 0)

As part of the demographic that Current is aimed at, I think its pretty good.  I'm not sure how well it would work for them to host or run a debate, but I think its a good idea.


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by jallen on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 04:34:27 PM EST

Re: Current TV Should Host the Nevada Presidential (none / 0)

Excellent suggestion. Even if they can't do it for this debate, Current should hold one later in the year.

They'd do a fuckload better than MTV "Does your campaign use Macs or PCs?" News for hosting a youth debate.


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by Josh Koenig on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:19:38 PM EST

Why not just put it up on youtube? (none / 0)

You tube probably has more viewers then Current, and it certainly has more people able to access it (I don't get current).  When Current rolled out, I remember thinking it looked ridiculous.


by delmoi on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:03:32 PM EST

TV audience (none / 0)

I think it's a clever idea to try and remove the constraints of main channels. Perhaps this will work  for the politicians to widen their voice, but I don't think the main field of play is going to change. By and large, the politicians will stay in the same slot they are in today. I'm reminded of the impact Rock Your Vote first had with Clinton campaigning on MTV, but I also remember where he ultimately made his big speeches. MTV was very big deal, and Clinton gave the young audience a image of a guy full of optimism. Personally, I thought he came off disconnected from the audience he was trying to connect with, but that's just me. He got elected. Dean capitalized on blogs, and now the known-knowns are out: bloggers are actually an engaged part of the population.

As far as CurrentTV as an opening up the the forum to address Q & A, I think this could bring in potentially some new ideas, or questions from the audience, or at the very least, perhaps give the CurrentTV audience a chance to engage with political heavyweights. I'd be interested if the candidates would be willing to field question without knowing them ahead of time.

How many homes will be willing to tune into the debate? What's the poll on who's heard of CurrentTV? Are there other alternatives out there that can also be tapped? What about creating several different forums for discussion? Not just CurrentTV and presidential blogs, but other fields of mass broadcast, so the gaps in communication can be bridged. PBS (they're web based too) could be an over-the-air broadcast source that could connect the TV public that might not be connected via PC, they may possibly become interested and gradually migrate across the communication gaps and come closer and maybe even participate. Creative outlets might not get someone to vote immediately, but it could get many to connect and participate- audience participation is key for the CurrentTV concept to function.

A devil's advocate might say, you're lucky to get 50% of the vote to cast a single ballot on election day, and someone thinks ten hundred thousand people are going to participate in online political forum? If you get anyone, they'll be the same people already engaged.

Take care,
Rob


by Rob Price on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 12:40:07 AM EST

cosponsored (none / 0)

I would like to see it cosponsored on one of
the broadcast networks.That would expand the
audience.
by tw9m on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 02:30:06 PM EST


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