Primary Season Polling Wishlist

Over the past week, several new national primary polls have been released. Here are the ones for Demcorats:

Latest National Polls
Candidate Marist, 2/15 Rasmussen, 2/15 Gallup, 2/11 Siena, 2/9 Rasmussen, 2/8
Clinton 37 28 40 45 28
Obama 17 24 21 12 23
Edwards 11 11 13 10 13
Gore 11 11 10 10 8
Others 7 ?? 8 4 ??
Undecided 17 ?? 3 20 ??

These polls are interesting. However, they are also deeply flawed. In the hopes of finding better public polling for the 2008 primary season, I want to make a few small requests to the news organizations commissioning the polls, and to the firms conducting the polls:
  1. Stop pushing undecideds to make up their minds. I am looking in your direction, Gallup. To produce a poll that shows only 3% of the Democratic electorate as undecided at this point is obviously absurd to the point of shameful. Support for all candidates right now is extremely soft, and as such there should be no attempts whatsoever to force the people who respond to your poll to choose a candidate at this time. If you want to provide an accurate snapshot of current public opinion, you simply can't push undecideds at this point.
  2. Include all candidates who are running. I am looking at you, Survey USA and Siena. Leaving announced candidates out of your questions is basically an in-kind contribution to the candidates you included in the poll. Why should some candidates, and not others, receive free polling information? This also distorts public opinion, in that voters will see all names on the ballot when they go to vote, and in that it artificially inflates the results for the candidates who are included in the polls. This is really bad stuff.
  3. Stop including candidates who have not yet declared they are running. Virtually everyone is guilty of this. Another major way to distort public opinion at this time is to lit several candidates who have not yet declared they are running as options in your polls. Right now, everyone is including Clark and Gore, and some polls are including Sharpton. Not only does this distort public opinion because it offers voters choices they do not have, it is not fair to the candidates who are running because it artificially deflates their results. When other candidates declare, then add them. Until that time, stick only to announced candidates.
  4. Conduct at least as many polls of early states as you conduct nationally. There is no "national primary," so polling it is of questionable value. Further, even though over a fifteen states, including several large states, are lining up for primaries or caucuses on February 5th, we all know that candidate support in states after Iowa and New Hampshire will be heavily influenced by election results in Iowa and New Hampshire. Thus, polls of Iowa and New Hampshire, which are no more expensive than national polls, are actually more useful and interesting at this time. So, please, slow down on the national polls, and give us more insight into the early states.
  5. Give us favorable ratings and name recognition numbers, too. Trial heats are both fun and interesting. However, it is useful to know candidate potential, not just current candidate standing. Without favorable / unfavorable numbers, as well as name recognition numbers, it is very difficult to know what polls this far out actually mean. Providing these two metrics would give your polls a lot more context, thus making them all that much more meaningful.
  6. More bells and whistles. I recognize that this request might exceed the budgets of a few polls, but it would also be great to include metrics such as second choices, likely voter methodology, and the strength of candidate support. While expensive, all of this would provide us with a deeper picture of the campaign. Also, personally I would rather have fewer, high quality polls than more, low-quality ones.
There is great potential for informative, quality polling in the 2007-2008 cycle. I think it would be best if we addressed ways it current polling could be improved now, so as to avoid annoying fights over polling methodology as we near election time. Further, producing polls we can all trust would be a tremendous public service, not to mention improve the reputation of the organizations who produce and publish them.



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I'm sure some polls have bells and whistles... (none / 0)

Since I didn't believe that I signed a NDA... I can say that Marist does a pretty decent amount of 'extra' polling questions ala too liberal, too conservative, just right...

To give an accurate the correct 'balance' to my endorsement of my college's polling institute... I have major qualms with their wording of some of the questions -- by giving the caller significant 'biased' information about a candidate, even if factual, might be in bad taste.

Calling Rudi a 'pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay rights Republican.' and then asking if those views are things that would change their support in Rudi... I have to comment that people don't understand the wording or that these are his views.

From inside a polling institute it is very interesting the wording they use and stuff... i just wish i knew what they were trying for.

Anyway here is a (super secret!) link to the Marist Poll data:
http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/usapoll s/CP070219.htm

-- MrMacMan


by MrMacMan on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:22:45 PM EST

Re: I'm sure some polls have bells and whistles... (none / 0)

Thanks for the link. And by the way, I actually thought the Marist poll was quite good, except that it included too many unannounced candidates. Lots of fun bells and whistles, that is for sure.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:26:19 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure some polls have bells and whistles... (none / 0)

I liked that the Marist Poll included the "is this candidate someone you'd at least consider" question, which I've begged for previously.  Blogged it over in the orange place; not good for Gore.


by Adam B on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 11:18:43 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure some polls have bells and whistles... (none / 0)

Gore's numbers improved in the Gallup poll:

Al Gore
        Favorable     Unfavorable     No opinion
2007 Feb 9-11     52     45     3
2006 Jun 23-25     48     45     8

and for the primary question, he went up from 11 to 14%.

Both are signs of improvement.


by NuevoLiberal on Wed Feb 21, 2007 at 12:30:22 PM EST
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Chris, that's 14 for Gore in Gallup poll (none / 0)

I think he is polling just a tad better than Edwards, nationally.


by NuevoLiberal on Wed Feb 21, 2007 at 12:04:19 PM EST
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Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist (none / 0)

John Edwards will win Iowa, Nevada,New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Hillary and Obama will do poorly in the debates.

That is my prediction.


by Djneedle83 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:33:23 PM EST

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Are we supposed to believe that Edwards will be the candidate in 2008? His lame speches about poverty are getting old and lame. He actually lost twice- once in the prmary and then in the general. I've seen more than enough of John Edwards. ABE- Anyone But Edwards. (Any first teir candidate that is)


by bsavage on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:47:14 PM EST
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Once Rasmussen stops nationally polling Gore the 11% he has been recieving on average will primarly be split in 3 ways.

Approximately 40% (4.4-5.0)will go to Edwards, Obama will recieve 25%-30% (2.5-3)and the remainder will go the rest of the candidates.


by Djneedle83 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:50:57 PM EST

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I think it'd be foolish to think that some of Gore's support wouldn't go to Hillary.


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by Dave Sund on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 07:40:04 PM EST
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One of the polls did ask for preferences in the absence of Gore, and Hillary got the biggest boost, around 40% of his support, IIRC.


by curtadams on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 09:11:30 PM EST
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Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist (none / 0)

I think it will split somewhat evenly with most going to the top 3.


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by robliberal on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 07:59:01 PM EST
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Obama is the 2008 FlUFF CANDIDATE


by Djneedle83 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:51:58 PM EST

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Constructive argument from yet another Edwards guy.

I like John Edwards (though my support tints towards Obama). Why must his followers convince me that I should not?


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by Populism2008 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 07:32:39 PM EST
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Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist (none / 0)

everyone candidate has followers that don't reflect well on the candidate. That shouldnt be the reason why we do or do not vote for anyone.


by okamichan13 on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 09:33:11 PM EST
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Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist (none / 0)

Amen Chris.  There is little I like less than polls that amount to little more than entertainment value, but are treated as news.

I love your first point.  I know very few Dems who know who will support.  That includes me.  I vote on the Kos polls, etc. but I'm far from committed.  I may even contribute to more than one.  

The problem with the polls is that they love to ask "If the election were held today, . . ." when in fact the election is not for a year.  A better question would be "X,Y, and Z have announced they are running for the 2008 democratic nomination for president.  Have you decided who you will support?    If so, who?"  I'll bet with that question, you would have 60%+ undecided.  Of course, the news story about the horse race would be dull.      


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by hilltopper on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:57:42 PM EST

Wishlist (none / 0)

Stop including candidates who have not yet declared they are running.

I assume they do this for continuity, but with the field taking shape it is time to drop the undeclareds out.


by MassEyesandEars on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 07:34:53 PM EST

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So what's the deal with Rasmussen?


by LPMandrake on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 07:42:24 PM EST

undecided number is huge (none / 0)

I talk with politically active Democrats in Iowa every day. A very large number are still undecided--maybe not 50 percent, but a huge number. And I remember from 2003/2004 that quite a few people I knew changed their minds during the final months.

Any poll showing a single-digit number for undecideds is a complete joke.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 07:56:14 PM EST

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Good suggestions Chris.  I'm waiting for the first debates this spring to give all our candidates a chance to shine....or not :)


by catchawave on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 08:23:34 PM EST

These are all over the map (3.00 / 1)

Clinton's advantage over #2 Obama ranges from 4 to 33 points. Clearly the real margin of error is much higher than the 3-4% usually quoted. Some aspects of methodology must be really skewing the results.


by curtadams on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 09:15:41 PM EST

Re: These are all over the map (none / 0)

And ti would be quite helpful if we knew what those differences were.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 10:51:05 PM EST
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How about we do something similar to what we did a couple of years ago, and take up a collection to pay for our own poll?

An inexpensive poll of Iowa or New Hampshire, with all announced candidates listed, and no pushing of undecideds, would be something I would contribute to. And any whistles and bells we can add on would just be gravy.


by dwbh on Wed Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:56 AM EST


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