Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa

Perhaps you've heard that Oprah is appearing with Barack Obama today at 4:30pm EST in DesMoines. Over 20,000 tickets have been issued. The event is airing on CSPAN and streaming online at CSPAN.org. The big question, of course, is will Oprah's endorsement matter. On one hand, in general, endorsements from celebrities rarely carry any weight; on the other hand, Oprah isn't like most celebrities, she actually is an opinionmaker and inspires people to take action. But voting is different from buying a book.

Michelle Obama is introducing Oprah now.

Are you watching?

Update [2007-12-8 16:45:33 by Todd Beeton]:It's actually pretty interesting to see Oprah in this context. "I understand the difference between a book club and a free refrigerator, between that and this moment in our nation's history. And so I bathed, I got dressed and I am here because I care about this country."

"I am not here to tell you what to think. I am here to ask you to think. Seriously."

"I am not here for partisan beliefs. Over the years I have voted for as many Republicans as I have Democrats. This is not about partisanship for me, this is about a personal belief."

Update [2007-12-8 16:45:33 by Todd Beeton]:I wonder to what extent her remarks are reflective of his messaging, if there was any vetting or even suggested talking points from his campaign. One of her lines was interesting, she reframed security as something other than fighting terrorism, including domestic issues such as healthcare. If this is an indication of a future Obama argument, that would be a good thing.

Update [2007-12-8 16:51:29 by Todd Beeton]:OK, Oprah just expressed opposition to the war with this line: "And long before it was the popular thing to do, he stood with clarity and conviction against this war in Iraq." That is far different than advocating for a candidate. One wishes she were more outspoken about the war back when she could have been an influence in the debate. "We need a president with clarity and conviction." A little hit at Hillary perhaps.

Update [2007-12-8 16:59:20 by Todd Beeton]:Oprah just introduced Barack with the line "He is the one!" Seeing Barack speak, it's interesting to see the difference between his stump style and his speech/rally style. I've only seen him in the context of the latter, but he is phenomenally comfortable, casual, personable. I guess that's what people mean when they say he's found his voice.

Update [2007-12-8 17:13:45 by Todd Beeton]:He's now in stump speech mode. I've seen him speak a few times and this is the first time I can recall I've ever heard him say "I am a proud Democrat and I know some people in here may not be Democrats." He said "I am a proud Democrat" three times. "I want to lead a party that's not timid but bold. A party that is leading, that's not just talking about change as a slogan but that is talking about real meaningful change." Glad to see he's embracing partisan language and indeed it doesn't prevent him from advancing a unity message. He uses it as a. an invitation to non-Democrats to join his campaign and b. as a rally to reform the Democratic Party. And c. he manages to get in a subtle dig at Hillary. The only problem is that I wish Obama was putting his money where his mouth is and was running a less timid campaign himself.

Update [2007-12-8 17:20:3 by Todd Beeton]:Ah, yep, Obama is re-framing security: "And we will lead the world to meet the challenges of the 21st century. Nuclear proliferation and terrorism, but also climate change and poverty and genocide and disease, those are threats to our security as well."

Update [2007-12-8 17:20:3 by Todd Beeton]:Haha. "I'm going to be releasing my kindergarten papers tomorrow."

Update [2007-12-8 17:25:16 by Todd Beeton]:"Iowa, I need you to stand up!" seems to have replaced "Fired Up! Ready to go!" Good. What's up with CSPAN's audio? Isn't this what they do?

Update [2007-12-8 17:32:37 by Todd Beeton]:OK, now for the crazy CSPAN callers. Two Republicans in a row saying they find Obama refreshing and they're considering supporting him. Usually the Republican phone line is filled with Democrat bashing. Interesting, a Republican just accused CSPAN of sabotaging Barack's speech b/c of the audio problems.



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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

No! I am enjoying my Saturday and surfing the blogs. I don't need Oprah or Bill to tell me whom to vote for.


by American1989 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:35:30 PM EST

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I'm not watching...I'm not voting for Obama since he decided to keep anti-gay bigot Donnie McClurkin in his campaign...Don't forget about this...Barack is suppose to change politics and give us hope...as a gay man I can tell you that I was disgusted by Obama caving to the anti-gay right wing and the so called "ex-gay" movement by not disavowing McClurkin...instead...Obama made him the emcee of his gospel concert. Don't be fooled by Obama.


by OKLABUBBA on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:37:56 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (2.00 / 2)

Let's cut tot he chase- i am gay. I support Edwards, and he's not perfect on the gay rights issues. Don't get me started on Clinton's throw us under the bus approach to these issues. My point of saying all of this- is come on give me a break with this. Obama isn't perfect and yes he does a lot of things I disagree with , but the idea that he is any less for gay rights than any of theother candidates is just ludicrous.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:05:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

I'm not looking for a candidate who shares my views completely. S/he doesn't exist until I run for office myself.  I'm looking for a candidate who shares my values, has the courage of his/her convictions, and will do a good job as President.

Right now that's Bill Richardson or, realistically, John Edwards.


Election fraud is treason, nothing less.
by NM Ward Chair on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:30:38 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (1.00 / 0)

Barak chose mcgurkin on purpose to gain support of homophobes in South Carolina. It was a wedge issue. Not a very hard coded message to read. It was the politics of division.


by maxstar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 10:26:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

If Obama keep rising in Iowa, as he has been for the last week, will the media attribute it to Oprah?

And, hey, if Oprah somehow single-handedly put George Bush in the White House, can she do the same with Obama? ;)


by Kal on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:38:07 PM EST

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by OKLABUBBA on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:38:11 PM EST

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by OKLABUBBA on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:38:37 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

I'm watching Top Chef Holiday Reunion.

Marcel's beard makes him look like Wolverine, but without the hot  arms and ass!


by BigBoyBlue on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:45:17 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

cute- but OT.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:50:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Hey, I'm just answering Todd who asked if we were watching!  ;)


by BigBoyBlue on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:58:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Oh come on don't ruin a perfectly good joke by saying you were trying to be serious


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:02:41 PM EST
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I'm calling undecided voters in my precinct (2.00 / 2)

to invite them to a town hall meeting with John Edwards this Wednesday in Des Moines. The special guest will be Tim Robbins. Now that's my kind of celebrity!


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:49:11 PM EST

Re: I'm calling undecided voters in my precinct (none / 0)

Right on.  Keep working it, any way you can.


Election fraud is treason, nothing less.
by NM Ward Chair on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:26:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

I don't get her comments to be frank. What does she mean by its not partisan but personal, but she's out acting in a partisan way. I love Oprah, but I really don't get her comments at all.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:51:38 PM EST

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I get what she means. Unfortunately, people are skeptical of endorsements if they feel it's rooted in partisanship and so saying it's personal not partisan is a disclaimer she feels the need to make to prove her sincerity. It sucks, but I get it.


by Todd Beeton on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:05:20 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Todd - my sense is, listening to her remarks, is that very little of this was written for her. Much of the phrasing is, frankly a little too eloquent and philosophical and reflective, to have made it out of any modern political campaign communications shop.


by blueflorida on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:53:37 PM EST

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That is Oprah.  The way of her delivering, her words, that was her spot on.


by iamready on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:16:40 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

I'm watching it on C-SPAN. Her remarks were quite powerful and direct. Oprah's never been one to mince words...  Obama just came onto the podium.

Oprah feels that the issues (and one candidate) that she supports trasncend partisanship, but deal with morality. Said she's voted for as many Republicans as Democrats.

I actually think her endorsement will make a difference, especially in South Carolina.

Deborah White
Liberal Politics at About.com


by Deborah White on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 04:56:45 PM EST

unions (none / 0)

It's not the NH venue, but I am curious if Obama will address Oprah's union opposition.


by souvarine on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:05:11 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

I think Obama meanders far too much.

wow, now he's screaming...

this seems to be a mix of stump and rally speechifying. on the whole, I think it's pretty effective. But he needs to tighten things up, show a sharper clarity of purpose. That would improve his Presidential profile.


by along on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:08:54 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

I think the screaming is c-span's mike


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:14:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

I think Obama meanders far too much.

Much agreed. But in an odd way, I think it may help him to be perceived as authentic and thoughtful. Makes for bad TV though.


by blueflorida on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:16:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

Clinton supporters are funny and pathetic...

I can tell you right now why you're losing. Because the country doesn't care about all these stupid partisan battles.

People are only now starting to pay attention. What do they see? They see Obama, with Oprah, giving an uplifting speech. They see Clinton and her supporters being snarky and attacking Obama on everything and anything, even the stupid and ridiculous.

I know you idiots think that makes you look tough, and you think that people want tough. But think again.

Take a step backward for one second, clear your minds of all your ridiculous partisan posturing, and think as THE VAST MAJORITY of people think. Imagine you are someone who honestly hasn't made up their minds. You see Obama this week, and you see Hillary this week. Who do you think looked better?

You Clinton supporters are BLOWING this election. The fact that Hillary is losing serious momentum and might actually lose to Obama is ENTERING the consciousness of American thinking. People who don't follow politics and who couldn't care less about Clinton or Obama know that she is blowing this.

Clinton has nothing to offer but the same old lame rheotric we've heard one million times before. Her attacks this week were stupid, childish and cynical.

Obama offers people hope. He offers the same thing, dare I say it, that Bill Clinton offered in 1992. Hope. People gravitate to that message.

So continue your snarky comments all you want. The only people who care are other embittered Clinton supporters...NO ONE ELSE IS LISTENING.

After all, it's your funeral.

Later idiots!


by JackBourassa on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:41:02 PM EST
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Obama offers hype - not hope. (none / 0)

most Dems and most Americans can tell the difference.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:42:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama offers hype - not hope. (none / 0)

Seymour,

You are petty and a fool. ABO ---- Anybody But Obama --- why? Because he's beating your girl.

How pathetic is that?

I guess if she can't have it, no one can. Is that it? Is it?

It's Stupid. Buddy, reread my post above and tell me that it doesn't apply to you and your stupidity and pettiness.

This attitude is why you are losing serious ground. People are seeing this behavior and it is sickening to them. Hillary wants to become the first female President, I assure you that this is not how it will be done. Not acting like this. Not acting like a bunch of petulant children who are having their little fits and tantrums because everything isn't going exactly their way.

Pathetic. Truly pathetic.


by JackBourassa on Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 01:42:16 PM EST
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CNN and Fox carried Oprah's remarks live!  That rally is genormous.  I got chills.  And the crowd looks wonderful.  Gosh, I wish I could be there.  So much positive energy and warmth.

This is the best "Oprah's Favorite Things" yet.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:16:06 PM EST

Chills? (none / 0)

OMG ... I have to run ... hope I can make it to the toilet before I spew.

Seriously, chills?  From a pol and a tv star?


by dpANDREWS on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:19:08 PM EST
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I hope you spew all over yourself. (2.00 / 1)


by rapcetera on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:55:48 PM EST
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Re: Chills? (none / 0)

If you've never gotten chills listening to a politician, then you are far too cynical for me.

Maybe you need to go back and listen to a little RFK, remind you what politics can be.


by MNDem on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:38:34 PM EST
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Obama is no Kennedy. (none / 0)


by dpANDREWS on Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 08:50:37 AM EST
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Clearly Oprah is misguided (none / 0)

"Over the years I have voted for as many Republicans as I have Democrats. "

She clearly doesn't understand the difference between the two parties.

I think that is a line that a lot of regular year in year out caucus goers or primary voters may bristle at.


by dpANDREWS on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:18:11 PM EST

Re: Clearly Oprah is misguided (none / 0)

Your comments show your ignorance of Iowa.  Oprah just basically said she is an Independent.  Meaning she votes for whomver, across the aisle.  And if she was for HRC, none of this uninformed crap coming from you would be written.  Iowans respect each other, across the aisle.  And the Republicans for Obama is real.  You will see caucus night.  As we have not heard any Republicans for Hillary?  Have we?


by iamready on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:19:34 PM EST
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Re: Clearly Oprah is misguided (none / 0)

Well, there are certainly Republicans for Edwards, seeing as how he wins Republican debates without even showing up to them! :)


by KainIIIC on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:39:11 PM EST
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Re: Clearly Oprah is misguided (none / 0)

And who the hell are you? Are you here to explain Oprah every thought and comment? Give me a freakin' break. ugh!


by lonnette33 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:08:08 PM EST
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Losing strategy (none / 0)

You are not going to win a Democratic Primary on the backs of Republicans, idependents, and first time voters.


by dpANDREWS on Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 08:52:07 AM EST
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I think its a line that will play well on Fox and with white voters who may believe this is a race thing.  It also reinforces her credibility to go before such a huge crowd of democrats and say it.

Yes, chills.  I love authentic people and their authenticity radiates even across television.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:25:31 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

bruh21...obama had a chance to stand up and say to this country that he wouldn't tolerate anti-gay religious zealots like McClurkin...he didn't do it...he made it worse by keeping McClurkin on the concert stage and having him emcee...that's all i am saying...if we are suppose to judge these candidates on their actions and not just their poll tested themes why can't i be offended by obama? is obama anti-gay...i don't think so at all...did he make a calculated political decision that will keep me from ever voting for him?...YES.


by OKLABUBBA on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:26:09 PM EST

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absolutely- which means I am judgeing ALL of them by that standard. If I am going to do that- this mean not cherry picking for whomever you are shilling for in this post. Because all of the top 3 have these issues, but nice try


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:04:37 PM EST
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Oprah + Obama = OVER RATED (none / 0)

Don't believe the HYPE at Iowa's HY VEE HALL - -

The sound system sucked - - - microphone cut out on several occasions - - - reminded me of Howard Dean screaming into the microphone - - - you'd think with all the Hollywood celebrity money betting on Barack they'd be able to afford a sound system that was Mike Gravel like in quality

    As for Oprah's intro speech - - - First thing you notice is she's flipping pages like George Bush - - - - SCRIPTED - - - looking less sincere

    OBAMA will lose as many votes as he gains off today's BIG EVENT with OPRAH

    He did not look presidential...He did not sound presidential....

    OPRAH + OBAMA=OVER RATED

     Nice "Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman" anecdote Divine Miss O, but I'd say that Dr. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X will have a greater impact on American politics than OBAMA ever will....

   


by Swamp Draining Populist on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:31:39 PM EST

Re: Oprah + Obama = OVER RATED (none / 0)

The sound problem was C-Span's fault.


by Namtrix on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:35:59 PM EST
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Re: Oprah + Obama = OVER RATED (none / 0)

Swamp:Please calm down and please don't operate any heavy machinery tonight.


by howardpark on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:22:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (2.00 / 3)

I think what will resonate about Oprah is her nervousness, slight awkwardness, the fact that she was clearly stepping out of her comfort zone, something she hasn't done before and didn't need to do.  In fact, there's a risk involved for her.  It was like watching a person make their first step into political activism, first making that call to another supporter or first knocking on someone's door to canvass.  It was her as first time caucus goer.  We know that people are very sympathetic to her, that they identify with her, and by doing this I think she may inspire many, many people to step forward.  Obama ends his speech by saying he is here because someone, somewhere had the courage to stand up.  Today, Oprah stood up.


by Piuma on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:31:41 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Very good observations Piuma.  I agree.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:38:40 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Check out this diary and prove all 5 points wrong:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/8/ 163927/952/474/419557

It shows that Oprah-Obama is a complete fraud


by thorgrim on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:53:35 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

And I'm sue you want everyone to read all the comments posted on that diary, too.


by royce on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:10:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Not so much.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:23:42 PM EST
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I must admit... (2.00 / 2)

I'm not a big Oprah fan, really, and wondered what she was going to bring to these appearances.  Well, no worries there, that was pretty impressive and consistent with Obama's message throughout the campaign.  Oprah seems to be a genuine benefit, she seemed unsure of herself but fired-up and sincere.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:01:59 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

I wouldn't be surprised if this endorsement ended up hurting Obama.

It makes Obama the "Oprah candidate" and that comes with a lot of baggage.

Oprah association further feminizes him. It makes all his talk about "lets hold hands, hug and heal" part of the Oprah/Dr Phil axis of pop psychology. Not exactly Commander in Chief imagery.

And there is nothing shocking about Oprah supporting the black candidate in the race. Pretty predictable.

There are lots of people out there who are turned off by Oprah's simplistic views about everything that ails the world and Obama's "why can't we all get along" message is part of the same simplistic mindset that says we can overcome deep partisan divisions over issues simply by holding hands and singing kumbaya.


by DonB11 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:05:51 PM EST

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Thanks for letting us know where you stand, Don. Predictable that Oprah would endorse the black candidate? What does that mean?  What's the excuse for supporting Obama from George Soros, Ted Sorenson, George Clooney, et al?


by royce on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:12:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

It means that many white folks can't see black people independent of the color of our skin. Yes, this includes many so-called liberal progressive whites.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:02:42 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

LOL!!!  The sour grapes are amassed.  


by iamready on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:22:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

"that was pretty impressive and consistent with Obama's message throughout the campaign."

Yes, it was a message that turned me off.

It boils down to this; all these deep partisan divisions in the country boils down to personality. All we need is someone with good intentions and willing to extend a hand to the other side and all these bitter disputes will be resolved. Democrats and republicans will hug, agree on solutions to divisive problems and treat each other with respect. After Obama gets elected president the Right Wing Noise Machine will voluntarily shut down and we will live happily ever after.

I thought this message was a complete bs based on simplistic thinking and turned me off the Obama campaign. He has only gotten worse.


by DonB11 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:11:34 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Somehow it seems there's little risk Obama was ever going to get your vote.  And as for the partisan battles you seem to anticipate with enthusiasm perhaps you should consider Civil War Re-enactment, a very popular hobby on both sides of the aisle.  At  least you would get some fresh air and a whiff of black-powder.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:28:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

She said she had voted for as many Republicans as Deomcrats, I wonder if one of them was GW Bush, she was very pleased to have him on her program in 2000.


by my nickle on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:12:36 PM EST

Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Yes, she also fawned over Bush during the 2000 campaign. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she voted for Bush in 2000.

Also remember, Oprah helped sell the Iraq war too. In the months leading up to the war she had several shows with pro war pundits and she cheered on the war.


by DonB11 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:20:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

Good luck going after Oprah with all this.  Nobody is listening.  Oh, BTW, Al Gore kissed Oprah's cheek too.  Just in case you were not informed.  Here


by iamready on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:25:04 PM EST
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I thought she said she voted for Gore (none / 0)

that's my memory, anyway. I wasn't even living in the US in 2000, so I just read about it online.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:02:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (none / 0)

I only wish we could donate more than $4,600.  I may have to start my own 527.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:26:48 PM EST

The Infotainmentization of Politics... (2.00 / 2)

continues apace.

Listening to Republicans, it's hard to see how compromise and consensus is presently possible.

This is not Harvard Law Review, and the powers that be will not cede power so easily.

I may not like Clinton's ties to power, but at least I know she will fight.

To me, Obama seems too eager to negotiate against himself, and I think this will not translate into the kind of change necessary.

In addition, he has started to adopt conservative frames.  The way he engaged in McClurkinism was far from a new and different way to engage in politics, not to mention the principle of equality and tolerance.

As Krugman said:

"And now, having been caught out on the facts, the Obama people respond with a personal attack, lifting quotes out of context to pretend that I never had problems with the plan. Something is very wrong here."

The way he responded to Krugman stinks.  It is often the way his supporters act on the blogs.

Now, he is having a union not picket for a day so he can cross what would have been a picket line.  Is this pro-Union?  I guess it is in an Orwellian sense.

Yes, I know his record.  But what about his actions?  Yes, who care?  The show must go on.  There are profits to be made and a prize to be won.  At what cost?

I am losing hope that Americans have the capacity to make independent, intelligent choices rather than showing just how easily, yet badly manipulated we are.


by citizen53 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 06:57:19 PM EST

Re: The Infotainmentization of Politics... (none / 0)

Your opinion is noted.


by Korha on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:38:15 PM EST
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Again... (2.00 / 2)

I look at Republicans and do not see any compromise.

The call to compromise emboldens them.

The use of conservative frames will backfire.

The actions that contradict the rhetoric do not inspire confidence.

I don't see you defending these things.  It's easy to make glib comments.


by citizen53 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:44:37 PM EST
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Re: Again... (none / 0)

The president and GOP in congress has determined that their best strategy is to fight everything.  So yes, they are not compromising.  That strategy comes at a terrific price if voters see it as obstruction and politics.  The new democratic president will be able to accomplish some things with just the dem majority, but on big changes he will need to work with GOP.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:55:50 PM EST
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Sorry... (none / 0)

this has been the Republican way for many years.  It includes Republican voters.  Talk to a few sometimes about their priorities.  They are in lockstep with their candidates.

Let's not even get started on the corporate interests.  It is simplistic, in my view, to think they will not use every tool available.

I am for progress, not appeasement and capitulation.


by citizen53 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:01:48 PM EST
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Re: Again... (none / 0)

"That strategy comes at a terrific price if voters see it as obstruction and politics."

Wrong.

The public does not punish obstruction. The GOP has proven this.


by DonB11 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:03:08 PM EST
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Re: Again... (none / 0)

I read and understood your comment, and I acknowledge that I so read and understood it. Sorry if that came off as glib, but there's not much to say. There are certain differences of opinion--predictions, in this case--that only be resolved by actual events and what actually occurs or does not occur.


by Korha on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:52:51 PM EST
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Yes... (none / 0)

and there is also understanding history and watching the direction of the country as a means to predict where we are heading.


by citizen53 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 09:04:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Oprah Rally In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

I live in Washington DC and am sick of the partisanship.  Dems and repubs used to have friendships that would lead to legislative breakthroughs.  Since the 90's everything is a fight.  Obama offers a chance at restoring civility so we can get on with improving people's lives.

I have no doubt that restoring the Clintons will only widen the partisan divide and possibly put the new dem congressional majority at stake.  

As for the Obama rally, all three network evening newscasts led with it and reported on the enormous crowd and energy.  A lot of people said they of course came out to see Oprah but were glad to get to here Obama.  After showing the event of the day, ABC showed Clinton dragging her mother and daughter around.  It looked rather sad.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:05:27 PM EST

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You magically assume that the war waged against Democrats and liberal was not in earnest, and now is the time to be good Copperheads and give the Confederacy what they want- right when they're about to get crushed out of existence as a historical force.

One side's time is past and its old beliefs and grasp on power have to be broken; then they'll reform in less bad manifestations.  That's how it is.  People like you need to get a grip and let the plug get yanked on Nixon Republicanism, rather than sell us out and keep that zombie alive.


by killjoy on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:24:45 PM EST
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A polarizing president will only strengthen the GOP because it will drive voters into their arms.  All these groups in Washington know what side their bread is buttered and bringing back the Clintons keeps their money rolling in.  But what happens when their very reason for existing disappear?  What happens when they have no one to hate?  What happens is important work gets done.  


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:44:06 PM EST
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You don't seem to be cluing in on what has been happening to the GOP as they maintain the polarization.  Any Democrat would be a fool to not let them hit bottom.
by killjoy on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:16:48 PM EST
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"A polarizing president will only strengthen the GOP because it will drive voters into their arms."

I suggest you read some history books.

FDR was a very polarizing president.

He was also very partisan. It made him a very effective president.


by DonB11 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:35:54 PM EST
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"But what happens when their very reason for existing disappear?  What happens when they have no one to hate?"

You ARE naive.

What happens when they object of hate disappears. They find a new one.

The GOP hated FDR with the same passion they hated the Clintons.

They hated MLK.

They hated the Kennedys.

They hated Carter.

They hated Gore.

They hated Kerry.

They will hate the next Dem president with the same venom.


by DonB11 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:39:28 PM EST
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"I live in Washington DC and am sick of the partisanship."

Sorry to break this to you but there would be no politics without partisanhip.

People who don't like partisanship should get out of politics.

If everybody agreed on solutions to problems there would be no partisanship and no need for politics. We would live in an Oprah universe of people holding hands and singing kumbaya.

We have partisanship because we disagree on solutions to problems. Some people want flat fax, some people don't. They will fight it out in partisan political battles. One side will win, the other side will lose.


by DonB11 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:09:03 PM EST
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You know how I know the Clinton supporters are scared? Because they are spinning and attacking more than usual. They only do that when they are afraid.

When was the last time AN Obama supporter (as in ONE), much less all of them, went this ape-shiz over someone endorsing Hillary? She's had enough of them.

Yet here they are. Just be good sports and congradulate the Obama people on a good endorsement. Instead, you are living up to your reputations as being petty and mean spirited by behaving this way.

I'll be so glad when Obama defeats Hillary in the primaries.


by JackBourassa on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:09:06 PM EST

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On the other hand, objectively you have a black entertainer on stage endorsing another black person- as a politician also at some level an entertainer-, whose qualifications are in some doubt, for President.

I'm not sure that's a ritual of passage of blessing and power that convinces a neutral average American voter.


by killjoy on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:35:19 PM EST
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I guess you do not understand how idiotic that sounds.  But I am guessing you have been called an idiot before.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:50:06 PM EST
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Usually by idiots, as proven by the events that followed.
by killjoy on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:17:36 PM EST
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'Neutral average American voter,' 'black person whose qualifications are in some doubt.'  Wow.  A bit of stereotyping going on there, do you think?  Mostly negative?  


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 08:42:54 PM EST
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Will Obama be able to rise to Oprah's vision of what he should be? Can be? For America?

I love them both, but this is msm-orgasmatic at best.

It's going to be a long week on cable news :(


by catchawave on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 09:13:51 PM EST

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Oprah is not running for President and she was not parroting anything, she had guests on her show.  Here is what someone who is running for President said:


"As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I firmly believe that the issue of Iraq is not about politics. It's about national security. We know that for at least 20 years, Saddam Hussein has obsessively sought weapons of mass destruction through every means available. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today. He has used them in the past, and he is doing everything he can to build more. Each day he inches closer to his longtime goal of nuclear capability -- a capability that could be less than a year away."

...

"The path of confronting Saddam is full of hazards. But the path of inaction is far more dangerous. This week, a week where we remember the sacrifice of thousands of innocent Americans made on 9-11, the choice could not be starker. Had we known that such attacks were imminent, we surely would have used every means at our disposal to prevent them and take out the plotters. We cannot wait for such a terrible event -- or, if weapons of mass destruction are used, one far worse -- to address the clear and present danger posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq."



by Piuma on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 10:35:47 PM EST

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That's not Hillary talking...although I am not surprised you thought so.


by Piuma on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 10:45:06 PM EST
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How did she shut down criticism?  She had someone express an opposing opinion to one of her guests and said we are not trying to propagandize and the woman is entitled to her opinion.  She's running an interview show.  Are now all these interview hosts somehow responsible for whatever lies their guests tell?  How was she to know representatives of the Government would lie?  This is a ridiculous argument.  

And to what aim are your comments?  Here we have a person who has for years tried to take a non-partial, removed position finally stepping forward and saying this campaign is so important, the country is in such trouble, that all of us must take an active step that perhaps we haven't done before.  It is the Democratic Party which stands to gain from that.  Even if Obama loses, it is quite possible that she will have brought people into the community and into a mode of political action which can be very useful.  To criticize this is a display of just how absurdly partisan for partisan sake certain people are trying to steer Progressive politics.  This folks is exactly what Obama is referring to in his criticism of 60's politics.  This is SDS turning on the Black Panthers turning on the feminists turning on and on and on and on and on.  What is the end of it?  Failure and driving good people back to their non-political lives.


by Piuma on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:45:11 PM EST

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LGBT Rights:


When the Reverend V. Gene Robinson became the Episcopal Church's bishop of New Hampshire in 2003, it set off a controversy over homosexuality in the worldwide Anglican Communion that continues unabated today. Robinson made headlines again on August 2, when he threw his support behind Sen. Barack Obama for president, the first time the clergyman has ever endorsed a political candidate. That the two are both outsiders of their respective institutions Obama as a black man who's positioned himself as the antidote to politics as usual in Washington, Robinson as a gay man seeking the full inclusion of gay people in a church with many hostile factions is evident enough. But as Robinson tells The Advocate, it was Obama's vision for a united America that really compelled him to sign on.
-The Advocate

Social Security:


"But let me just say one last thing about what we can't compromise on. We can't compromise on a progressive vision . . . We should not compromise on retirement security for our senior citizens. . . . So there are some things that are worth fighting for. And if people disagree and we can't persuade them, then we've just got to beat them -- and that's what we got to do in the next election." - Barack Obama
Remarks at the AFSCME Leadership Forum, 6/19/07

Healthcare:


The day Obama unveiled his plan, back in May, I wrote an article about it. I praised the plan as an ambitious, meaningful proposal that would likely improve the lives of millions of Americans. I praised Obama himself for showing a genuine commitment to this issue.
Jonathan Cohn, New Republic, critic of the plan.

Abortion Rights:


Barack Obama was the favorite presidential candidate in an Internet poll of supporters of Planned Parenthood Action Fund, an abortion rights group that also places a heavy emphasis on other reproductive health issues such as sex education and access to contraceptives.

Obama received votes from 42 percent of those who voted, besting rivals Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. Members of Planned Parenthood were invited to vote after Obama, Clinton and Edwards' wife Elizabeth spoke at a forum last Tuesday in Washington. The speeches were posted on the group's web site and members were allowed to vote through Friday, a spokeswoman said.
- The Swamp



by Piuma on Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 02:49:13 AM EST
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Perhaps some of you are too young to remember when the Clintons were in the White House.

Let's start with the record.  The Clintons favored retaining sentencing guidelines that subjected crack cocaine (blacks and hispanics) to stiffer penalties than powder cocaine (whites).  The Clintons have the nerve to talk about the prison population when they were responsible for maintaining discriminatory sentencing.

Of course there is Rwanda.  Was Hillary the face of the US when we sat back and watched genocide occur?

Then the scandals.  It wasn't just a right wing machine.  The Clintons lied multiple times.  They lied about all the women that they both abused, they lied about Whitewater, the rose law firm, travel gate, Vince Foster.  The Clintons will do anything for power.

So what can we expect if they lie their way back to the white house?  More scandals, more lies, more young women being abused, and more policies to help the rich.


by Javier Doval on Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 08:49:22 AM EST
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