...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second

Some late night pondering and prognosticating...

In 2004, the model for how the final Iowa result came about was that the two front-runners went at it, thus creating a space for a third (and fourth) guy to come up through the middle. So, I wonder, now that Clinton and Obama are going at it, why don't people expect this will play out once again to Edwards's benefit? One reason I've heard is that the Clinton/Obama fisticuffs don't come close to the hurt Gephardt put on Dean, but I'm not sure if that's the whole answer. Whatever the reason is, "Edwards wins" predictions seem to be entirely based on polling and organization judgments, while thoughts on the result of the Clinton/Obama battle seems to be leading to another prediction entirely.

From the always wise EJ Dionne:

As the news about the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination focuses on the increasingly bitter confrontation between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, Edwards is fighting for survival. He knows his fate hinges on a strong showing in the Iowa caucuses that are now less than a month away. He will be out of the race if he runs third.

If Edwards fades, supporters of all three candidates agree that his backers are more likely to drift to Obama than to Clinton. Yet if Edwards gains ground, he could push either Clinton or Obama into third place -- crippling one of them.

TNR's Noam Scheiber concurs:

I agree with E.J. Dionne -- I think Edwards takes second in Iowa. My thinking is this: Clinton and Obama are engaged in a death-match there. Someone is going to win that death-match, and someone is going to lose it, and the person who loses it is going to be in big trouble. That's because the person who loses will not only have lost on semi-substantive grounds (by which I mean not just health-care or foreign policy but whether they have the experience, judgment, character, etc. to be president), but because they will have been diminished in the process.

Certainly, whether by design or by accident, Edwards is beginning to seem like the calm, above the fray candidate, and he is wisely changing his persona a bit to fit that role. As Dionne notes:

Edwards, who was once tougher than Obama in his criticism of Clinton, may now profit as the onlooker in a Clinton-Obama slugfest. During his Nashua appearance last week, Edwards smilingly noted that "Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton have been bickering about their health care plans." Edwards said he shares Clinton's view that universal health coverage would be impossible without a mandate on individuals to purchase insurance. Obama's health plan contains no such mandate.

Yet Edwards' mild tone -- in contrast to his fiery attacks on a corporate-dominated Washington -- suggested that he prefers to have Clinton take the lead in the controversy.

Nowhere is this shift in persona more apparent than in his latest ad running in Iowa:

I think this is his best TV ad yet because he really connects with the viewer. He seems cool yet also presidential and gets his moral test rhetoric across without its seeming like an angry tirade or a doctoral thesis, which is how it often comes off to me. Quizzically, most of Edwards's previous ads have consisted of clips from speeches anyone viewing the ad on TV could see in person on any given night if they were so inclined. This ad presents a new Edwards, still tough, still a fighter, but with an extra level of accessibility, which is key.

So will John Edwards come in first? Second? I'll punt and predict only that it will be one of those two. But which one?

Take the poll and explain your response in the comments...


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In Iowa, John Edwards will come in...
First
Second
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Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

Hmm. I didn't know his dad was a mill worker. He should bring that up more often.

Joking aside, I like the guy (I like all our candidates). I doubt he'll finish first--not sure about the rest.

What I want more than anything out of Iowa is for the media not to rush to crown the winner as the surefire nominee too quickly. All this attention and importance focused on roughly 150,000 eventual caucusgoers (as well as the relatively small New Hampshire electorate) is ridiculous. Those two states have seven House members between them, and aren't demographically representative of America in so many ways. Hopefully the Feb. 5 primaries will take place in an environment where the front runner hasn't been already decided by the press attention given to the early winners.


by OrangeFur on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:39:31 AM EST

Demographics (none / 0)

Iowa's poor demographical representation = Jesse Jackson got 9% in '88, Alan Keyes with 15% in '00, Bill Richardson around 10% now, Obama over 25%.


by danIA on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:41:26 AM EST
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Re: Demographics (none / 0)

I'm interpreting your post to mean that Iowa is happy to vote for minorities despite the population being mostly white. I'm certainly not suggesting otherwise. I actually wasn't referring only to race when I wrote "demographics" (for example, things like urban/rural breakdown, major industries, welath distribution, etc. could be different than the national numbers.). Nor was I really picking on Iowa. It's just that no one or two states can give an accurate representation of the country (not even California), but the media likes to give a huge amount of "momentum" to the winners of the early state caucuses/primaries.


by OrangeFur on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:30:23 PM EST
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Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

P.S. I also want to mention that I've posted a fairly lengthy reply to everyone who commented in my diary ("An Open Request To Obama Supporters"). I figure that I shouldn't make my reply another diary, so will let anyone who might care know this way.

Here's a link:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/12/3/2332 50/376


by OrangeFur on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:41:40 AM EST

Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

Pimping your diary in another diary is a no no.  Open thread is fine, but not in another diary.


by dkmich on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:02:06 AM EST
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Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

Sorry. My diary had fallen out of the most recent ones, and I didn't want to post another diary. But thanks for the tip.


by OrangeFur on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:31:28 PM EST
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Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

That is an awful ad. "We might be the first generation to fail" is the only line that stuck with me. It is an utterly depressing thought in what otherwise appears to be a commercial trying to emphasize hope.

I would love to see Edwards succeed, but with ads like that i can see why people don't latch on to him.


by RerumNovarum on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:56:50 AM EST

First by 10 pts. He's the safety choice... (none / 0)

for the general election. Meaning that there is little doubts about his electability. Clinton & Obama have electability doubts clouding around them. Undecideds are probably going to break his way, Biden, Richardson. And the undecideds are quite high. His second choice numbers & favorability numbers are also great.


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by cosbo on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 03:57:03 AM EST

Re: Electability (none / 0)

I think there are major doubts about his electability.  He displayed it again at the Black and Brown Forum.  There are about 6 major issues where he is on record saying he made a mistake and there not small ones: Iraq, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, NAFTA, Bankruptcy, China, linking 9/11 to justification of the Iraq invasion (read War on Terror).  The I'm So Pretty video is devastating, long since forgotten because it helped push him way behind long ago. The discrepancy between being an environmental crusader and having an outlandish personal carbon footprint by anyone's standard. It all adds up to being hypocritical which is the kiss of death for any candidate.  No one is making much of this anymore as long as he's safely in 3rd.  But in the General Election, I think he's the easiest target for the Republicans.  Anyone who has to run away from his record is an easy mark and Edwards entire campaign has been one of trying to avoid mentioning his actual votes.  He also is the least experienced candidate running.


by Piuma on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:04:58 AM EST
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Re: Electability (none / 0)

Nice try in attempting to cast doubt on electability. But please tell me where Edwards is on record as saying he made a mistake with NAFTA when he's opposed it all along, still opposes it and wasn't even in the Senate when it passed?

Yes, all of those things are soooo devastating that he's tied for first in Iowa and gaining in NH!


by adamterando on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:30:03 AM EST
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Re: Electability (none / 0)

My mistake on NAFTA, I apologize.  But the rest are still there.  It doesn't matter if he was leading in Iowa and NH, he is extremely vulnerable to attacks which are grounded in the difference between his record and his rhetoric.  


by Piuma on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:05:42 AM EST
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Re: Electability (none / 0)

Being "on record saying he made a mistake" on Iraq, Patriot Act and other consequences of the "War on Terror" may in fact put Edwards pretty much in the mainstream of most voters because most Americans agree that they "made a mistake" about these policy positions and now realize the negative ramifications that were hidden behind the government and corporate propaganda. This narrative may make Edwards more appealing than Obama whose "I told you so" narrative can come of as lecturing and sanctimonious.  


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by jeffbinnc on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:35:33 AM EST
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Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

I believe John Edwards will win the Iowa caucuses based on his strength in rural Iowa, his favorable position vis a vis second choices, and the feeling that the Clinton/Obama war will escalate much further in the next week or two.


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by CLLGADEM on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:44:14 AM EST

Edwards Takes First (none / 0)

Hillary and Obama will flame out.  They can't keep a consistant position, they couldn't find the time to vote against the Peru trade deal, and they are the "insiders".  In 04, Iowa sensed the potential in John Edwards.  In 08, they will come home to their gut.


by dkmich on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:04:51 AM EST
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Re: Edwards Takes First (none / 0)

That seems logical. The campaign has been relatively stable for so long (even Obama's rise has been steady, not meteoric) that a big flame-out seems inevitable.

But the operative word is 'seems'. If the Clinton-Obama fight doesn't escalate and there's no game-changing development, Edwards could still win, perhaps handily in delegate count (although not by more than a percent or two in actual numbers caucusing). But to avoid this being spun negatively enough to kill most of his bounce, he really needs a clear victory to give him momentum for NH.


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by Englishlefty on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:32:48 AM EST
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Re: Edwards Takes First (none / 0)

That is what Clinton wants; she wants to prevent Obama from coming 1st.


by American1989 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:09:46 AM EST
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Re: Edwards Takes First (none / 0)

I totally agree.  The Clinton camp makes no secret that they would rather have an Edwards, Clinton, Obama finish rather than an Obama, Clinton, Edwards finish.  An Obama, Edwards, Clinton or Edwards, Obama, Clinton finish would be double-edged swords for her; third place in Iowa would absolutely destroy the inevitability meme and guarantee Clinton would have a raging fight until at least Feb. 5th.  At the same time, such results would leave both Obama and Edwards in the fight, splitting the anti-Hillary vote.


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by CLLGADEM on Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 05:21:20 AM EST
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Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

I'm not sure you will see a similar effect compare to the one in 2004 when Iowans got tired of Dean and ghepart attacking each other ad here's why.

Agood portion of Iowans have ruled out Edwards for some reason or another and if i was to take a guess , my answer would be that many just sees him as an old face which in turn hurts him as "not the change candidate".

What helped Edwards in 2004 was that he was a  pollite fresh guy , but he's no longer seen that way.

I also think that Obama and Hillary has solid support in Iowa just like many polls seems to suggest...The des moines register and ARG clearly states that Obama and Hillary support is stronger then Edwards.

Obama and Edwards will definately bring new caucus goers into the fold...This is a guarantee and the way Edwards wins is to have as less people pparticipating in the caucus.

Hillary will bring in new women into the fold and Obama will definnately bring in new 17-29 yer old people..This is a group he completly dominates both Hillary and Edwards.

In 2004 , about 120-140k attented the Iowa caucus , but i strongly think there'll be in increase of +30k-40k....When you have the first potential black and woman president running , there's no way you could make an argument this wont bring in new people.

Obama and Hillary's popularity triples the popularity of Dean and ghepart..More people are tuning in...During the JJ dinner ,we say an increase of a few thousands....Democrats are extremely energized.

I frankly wouldnt be surprised if we get about 200k caucus goers on january 3rd because this is one of the most exciting Iowa caucus in decades where thw rest  is extremely close and will go to the wire...A lot of Iowans wont want to miss it and not be part of history.


by Prodigy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 05:59:25 AM EST

I disagree with your 2004 analysis (2.00 / 1)

I will keep saying this. Dean and Gephardt did not lose Iowa because they attacked each other.

Gephardt's campaign did focus groups in Iowa in September 2003, long before attack ads were airing. Steve Murphy talked about this after the primaries.

In September 2003 they were trying to figure out how to get Gephardt's numbers up in Iowa--he had a 70 percent approval rating among Democrats but was stuck in the low 20s.

They tried a lot of messages in these focus groups, but couldn't crack the code. They consistently found that as the undecided Iowans learned more about all of the candidates, they moved toward Kerry and Edwards--just as masses of Democrats did in December and January.

Undecided voters ruled out Dean and Gephardt early on. The attack ads were not a big part of this process.

That is one of the big reasons I've been saying all year that Edwards and Obama would pull away from Hillary. Four years ago I heard a lot of "I don't know, but not Dean," and this year I hear a lot of, "I don't know, but not Hillary."


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:35:52 AM EST
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Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

It is the dynamic of an open field in both parties that creates the flux in Iowa.

Although Obama has made up quickly, it is hard to see him passing the longer entrenched Edwards ground organization.

There is less to indicate Clinton has the established GOTC needed. Ironically, Weather will be more of a factor in larger cities.

I agree there will be record turn-out regardless.

The wild card remains second choice. I actually like this option.


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by nogo war on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:07:42 AM EST

Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (2.00 / 1)

I think there is an outside chance that Edwards will finish first. Second is much more likely.

I don't see an Obama crash and burn occurring over the next 30 days. He is squeaky clean and his campaign is methodical.

Although the media narrative says that the two front runners are locked into a bitter battle, Obama isn't all that engaged. I think this is a test for him to see how he handles the heat--it tells us what kind of a campaigner will he be in the general. His grace under fire and refusal to attack back but rather defend with facts, smiles, and disbelief is a pretty good strategy for the moment.


by aiko on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:18:05 AM EST

Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (2.00 / 1)

You are right here when you say this is a huge test for Obama...He has to make a decision on whether to fully engage or respectfully defend himself while at the same time , throw some respectfull jabs at her jaw.

Well aimed attacks does works , so Obama needs to be carefull here...

The good news is , Oprah will be in Iowa in a few days , and this would give Obama the perfect launching pad to promote his hope message while ignoring Hillary's attack.

Iowans eyes will be on Oprah/Obama this weekend and Obama has got to be at his best and impress.

THE JJ DINNER WHERE 9,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED , GENERATED A LOT OF BUZZ FOR OBAMA...I BELIEVE THIS IS WHY HE'S NOW AHEAD.

THE OPRAH EVENT IS EXPECTED TO BRING OUT EVEN MORE PEOPLE..PROBABLY DOUBLE THE NUMBER WHO ATTENTED THE JJ EVENT , AND OBAMA COULD USE THIS EVENT AS THE PERFECT SECOND ACT TO CREATE A HUGE BUZZ AND WIN THE IOWA CAUCUS.


by Prodigy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:44:48 AM EST
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First. (none / 0)

And by a bigger margin than most think.

Hillary second.  Obama third.


by Rooktoven on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:42:52 AM EST

Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

Brilliant ad. The boomer generation is feeling economically unsecure, and Edwards speaks to that in a direct, honest way. Its classic Edwards. Barack still avoids the issue, and while Clinton does talk about it, her credibility is hurt.

Iowa got burned by Kerry; that's causing Clinton trouble more than anything. "We already picked a supposedly electable centrist, flip-flopper before". Right now Iowan are dating Barack, but come caucus day, they will propose to Edwards.

And most importantly, Edwards is still the best organized on the ground. He's been to every county in the state, and has precinct leaders in nearly every one of the them.  In any election, whether its county council or a presidential caucus, person-to-person networks and hands on campaigning by the candidate makes the difference. And on that front Edwards has them beat.

Edwards will come first.  


by alexmhogan on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 08:54:32 AM EST

Second is death for Edwards (none / 0)

It really makes my point that the Edwards campaign utterly blew it when it decided to be the attack dog on Clinton for the previous month. And personally, I see him as a lock for third. I have said why before. Obama is NOW the Hillary alternative. Iowa is NOW, thanks largely to Edwards' own decision to spend a month focused on attacking Hillary, a narrative of Hillary vs. Obama. Edwards has his core support it will deliver for him. HE will NOT GET anything else. HE is at his ceiling and floor simultaneously. Edwards is not something new. Iowa knows what he is. And now they "know" that the choice for Dems in this nomination race is Hillary and the Hillary alternative. Neither one of those is Edwards. I think you are all wrong.
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:18:56 AM EST

You are right and wrong (none / 0)

You are wrong when you stated Edwards should had never gone negative on Hillary and here why:

Hillary was flying high and someone had to bring her down a bit....Obama attacks were too timid and did not do anything to knock her off her pedestal , so Edwards had to take out the guns hoping to bring the bird down and this is what he did.

If Edwards had never gone after her , Hillary would've probably be coasting to a 10% lead in Iowa right now.

You are right when you stated that the current narrative which pitts Hillary vs Obama , could easily damage Edwards then hurt and here's why:

There's definately an "anti-hillary" voting block in Iowa , and you need to remember that the des moines register front-page had Obama leading in Iowa...This got huge play in Iowa.

Second , if the narrative is 'hillary vs Obama" then this anti-hillary voting bloc could easily see Obama has the real  anti-hillary candidate and they could start coelesing around him.

Because Obama and Hillary are seen as democratic titans , their big fight could easily make Edwards job of getting more media attention very hard...It could really suck all the air out of Edwards room because the media wont be talking about anyone but Obama and Hillary.

If all the media does is cover Hillary and Obama , i strongly do not believe this would help Edwards.
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Dean and Ghepart werent as popular as Obama and Hillary....Not even close.

Edwards got the most favorable attention when he started attacking Hillary , specially during the Philly debate where he took Hillary down..and he deserve a lot of credit for taking her down even if Obama wins Iowa.

This is why i strongly doubt that Edwards should just stay on the sideline and watch...I believe Edwards will try to elbow his way in the fight and not let the narrative be "hillary


by Prodigy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:43:49 AM EST
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Re: Second is death for Edwards (none / 0)

You are also right when you suggested Edwards may be at his ceilling and floor when it comes to support in Iowa.

If you're not for Edwards now , will you be for him later considering that he ran in 2004 and is by far the most well known candidate in the race?

If Obama and Hillary really go crazy , then yes , they could be a possibility he could win , but i believe Obama will no go as crazy as Hillary and as long as Obama is respectfull , he'll be alright.

Matterfact , you could make a case that Hillary helps Obama by attacking him because he could now be perceived as the anti-hillary guy.


by Prodigy on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:53:35 AM EST
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Re: Second is death for Edwards (none / 0)

what data proves this- he's been higher this year. he shouldn't go higher if he has these numbers as  a ceiling. and no one can claim that's because no one knew clinton was in the race.


by bruh21 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:26:16 AM EST
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I'll believe Edwards has hit a ceiling (none / 0)

when undecided voters in large numbers say they are no longer considering Edwards, and when Edwards trails the others in second choices.

I talk to other precinct captains and field organizers regularly. I always ask them what they are hearing from undecided voters. Consistently, Edwards is getting serious consideration from undecided voters. He won't get them all, but he will get a chunk of them. He will pick up more from supporters of non-viable candidates on caucus night.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:42:55 AM EST
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Re: Second is death for Edwards (none / 0)

Sometimes you can get stuck on a position without much to back it up. When was the period during this election cycle when "Clinton versus Obama" in the media has not been the narrative? Your point would almost have some validation if that was the narrative shift-- ie, "Edwards versus CLinton versus Obama" to "Clinton versus Obama" but that on its face is false. Even some polling out fits spent much of the year ignoring Edwards and they are simply repeating that narrative now. It would also make more sense if the polling data agreed with you. As I said before, if you got to depend on a lot of new voters showing up to claim your victory, then your victory is in my already suspect. Again voting behavior. Let's take the LA Times Polls for example- they have no exactly been spotless this year. I mean they at one point required multiple times the voters that normally shows up in IA to show up this year- and yet which poll do you choose to use?  

And as for your point about knowing candidates- that's not really the point and you know it. They also know Obama and Clinton, the point is to remind them of Edwards as Clinton and Obama are going nuclear on each other. In other words, your comments lack any sense of context as to what's happening with the other two candidate. You create the "antiHillary" strawman without regard to how Obama and Hillary are acting toward one another or how that may impact voters.


by bruh21 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:23:01 AM EST
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Edwards has the highest favorables (2.00 / 1)

among Iowa Democrats and also leads among second choices.

So there is no way he has hit a ceiling of support here.

The narrative in Iowa is not a two-person race. It's not even a three-person race. People here do not let the media tell them which candidates deserve their serious consideration.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:38:00 AM EST
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Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

The other night on the Lehrer Report on PBS a woman from the Des Moines Register made a very pointed remark - Iowans had NEVER elected a woman to any congressional, senate, or governor post.  She was not asked the question - it was part of her presentation on the caucus. Obviously she thought that history would hurt Clinton in Iowa.


by NYMARJ on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:49:49 AM EST

so tired of this spin (2.00 / 1)

Iowa DEMOCRATS, who are the ones caucusing, have nominated two women for governor and many women for Congress. We have also elected women to several statewide offices.

Hillary's going to come up with better spin than that.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:38:58 AM EST
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Re: so tired of this spin (2.00 / 1)

While we are at it, I would for once love to hear why a black man has a better chance in IA. In what weird altaverse does a black guy have a better shot than a white woman if we are going to play identity politics. That normally shuts down this sort of silliness.


by bruh21 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:25:05 PM EST
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Edwards first (none / 0)

Edwards will take first simply because neither Clinton or Obama can afford to let the other finish first. Remember: none of the campaigns has run a negative attack tv ad yet. And 50% of the caucus electorate admit to having no fixed preference right now. Especially with Edwards' advantage as the leading a second choice favorite, as Obama and Clinton chip away at each other's support, Edwards is likely to be the beneficiary.


by blueflorida on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:24:58 AM EST

Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

I've been posting comments here for 6 weeks saying the national media, and those who read it, are wrong to say Edwards had been running a negative campaign against Clinton; that was Clinton spin and belied by his actual speeches, ads and mailings in early states. The ads he's now running, which are being described as a "step back" from his attacks on Clinton, are largely out-takes from his stump speech -- lines he's been delivering for months, the same lines that were considered "attacks" by the Clinton campaign.

In the meantime, Clinton has made herself close to ridiculous with the attack on Obama's kindergarten homework. All that work, for weeks, to depict Edwards as "angry" and "negative" now gone. Edwards having done nothing differently, is now considered "above the fray."


by desmoulins on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 10:52:45 AM EST

I've been trying to say that too (none / 0)

What Iowans hear from Edwards is different from blog posts about campaign press releases.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:39:43 AM EST
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for what it's worth (none / 0)

A woman I know who is very active in Hillary's campaign in Iowa thinks that if the Des Moines Register poll is accurate, then Edwards will win. The internals and second-choice numbers are very good for Edwards.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 11:40:50 AM EST

Re: ...Or Maybe Edwards Takes Second (none / 0)

I hope Edwards takes first in a big way.  I'm afraid the Republicans still have a lock on a lot of electronic voting machines and will be able throw smoke on differences between pre-polls, exit polls, and the count on the basis of an unstated anti-woman/anti-black secret ballot.  I believe that is why Edwards is being ignored by the SCLM and the Republican attack machine.  They want him to go away because he is electable.


by Lindata on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:06:08 PM EST

This seems a little behind the curve (video) (none / 0)

Obama already has changed gears, and is now pursuing a two-track strategy for responding
to Clinton's attacks.

On Monday, the Obama campaign set up its new Hillary Attacks rapid-response site, which --
along with the Fact Check site it launched nearly a month ago -- can aggressively counter and
correct her remarks.

But on the same day -- two days ago -- Obama himself already was presenting an above-the-fray
persona, which served to reinforce Clinton's desperation. In response to a reporter who tried repeatedly
to engage him on Clinton's comments, Obama refused to take the bait, saying only that

It's silly season. I understand she's been quoting my kindergarten teacher in Indonesia.

but otherwise waving off both the reporter and the comments with a silent smirk that said:
"Give me a break. I'm running for President, here."

The video of this moment is embedded in this Morning Joe segment. The Obama clip
runs from 4:55 to 5:30. Also notice the follow-up comment from Scarborough's co-host,
which runs from 6:40 to 7:05.

Priceless.


by horizonr on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:36:33 PM EST


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