Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone can see it....

In the past 48 hours, the Clinton campaign has shown everyone that they are imploding. Not only is the Clinton camp lashing out in desperation, they are also actually standing in the way of real progress in world affairs and the American Middle Class.

For evidence, read below...

O.K. so let's get the trivial missteps out of the way...
#1 Clinton camp accuses Barack Obama of some kind of dishonesty for writing in kindergarten that he wanted to be president.
Now this is just plain stupid. "kindergate" was monumental in it's sheer desperation. But wait, it gets better - or worse.
Now the Clinton campaign is saying that the attack was merely a joke.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/ 12/04/were-just-kidding/

"In rather head-spinning fashion, Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign is now saying that it was only joking when it noted on Sunday that one of her rivals, Barack Obama, wrote an essay in kindergarten titled, "I want to become president." The Clinton camp's reference to Mr. Obama's kindergarten musings has been widely mocked over the last 48 hours, and now her campaign is defending itself by arguing that it was all a joke.

Pardon me? When reporters traveling with Mrs. Clinton in Iowa on Sunday received the information about Barack-as-kindergartener, it was presented quite seriously. The press release disclosing the information made no mention that it was a joke, nor was it written in a tongue-in-cheek way. It referred to a perfectly serious Associated Press article in January.
The Clinton campaign sends out jokey press releases from time to time; reporters who cover her know when the campaign is kidding and when it is not.
Moreover, Clinton advisers on Sunday sounded deadly serious when they referred to the kindergarten essay - which was highlighted in an effort to hit back on Mr. Obama's statement that day that some of his opponents had wanted to be president for many years."


Sheesh. That is pathetic. And she says Edwards is a mudslinger?
ha-ha
#2
The Peru Free Trade Vote.
Now Obama is not entirely clear on this issue, it seems, but he has a learning curve that HRC does not. After all, her husband gave us NAFTA.
Now for all of us out here in middle class America, we don't need anyone to tell us that times are not as rosy as Wall Street says. I guess that information did not make it up to HRC's stratosphere. And there is ample evidence that a guy like Huckabee is going to run on an anti-free trade platform, and will be able to paint HRC as an elitist democrat who supports companies shipping jobs overseas. yikes!

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?p id=256831

"The Senate approved the Peru deal by a 77-18 majority, meaning that, in the words of Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown, "Congress (has) passed another job-killing trade agreement that will shut down our factories, hurt our communities, and send more unsafe food into our kitchens and consumer products into our children's bedrooms."

But if the standard that is applied to senators seeking the presidency is that only their positions on close votes matter, then Clinton would have been wise to skip the fall 2002 vote on whether to permit President Bush to attack Iraq. Then, she could have played the issue different ways, depending on the crowd she was talking to - just as Clinton, and to an even greater extent Obama, cynically portray themselves as corporate critics when they are in front of labor and farm audiences and corporate allies when they are shaking down Wall Street donors.

The fact is that the votes senators choose to skip tell us just as much about them as do the votes they cast.

Clinton, Obama, Biden, Dodd and McCain all have track records on trade issues that have tended to place them on the side of multinational conglomerates and investors rather than workers and farmers in the United States and abroad.

They have all taken too many wrong stands in the clearest and most meaningful economic debate facing the country today. Notably, their positions on past trade tests - and their failure to recognize the significance of Tuesday's Peru vote -- put them at odds with key voters in battleground states such as Ohio, which the Democratic presidential nominee will almost certainly need to win in November, 2008."


#3 Now this is the most important, mostly because HRC's inability to admit an error is only as foolish as it is dangerous.

I am referring to the new NIE report that says that Iran has not had an active nuclear weapons program since 2003.
Listen to these quotes and see if you can tell which is
George Bush
and which is
Hillary Clinton

"In fact, having designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, we've actually seen some changes in their behavior.The Iranians were supplying weapons that killed Americans. They were supplying technical assistance from the Qods Force, which is their special operations element. So I think we've actually seen the positive effects of having labeled them a terrorist organization because it did change their behavior."

"To me, the NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) provides an opportunity for us to rally the international community - to continue to rally the community - to pressure the Iranian regime to suspend its program," "What's to say they couldn't start another covert nuclear weapons program."

(the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are)  "proliferators of mass destruction,"  "The Revolutionary Guards are deeply involved in Iran's nuclear program."

I can't tell who is running for the democratic nomination and who is the warmonger in chief. Can you?
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignm atters?bid=45&pid=256838

That my friends is not just a slipping campaign, it is a desperate campaign, willing to say things that send us in the direction towards more war, rather than towards peace, all for the sake of a campaign.

All in all, the tragedy of Clinton's missteps is not the sad attempt at excusing an attack as a joke, but the truly poor decisions which betray the working and middle class citizens, and the refusal to change course, even when it threatens our nation and our world with war.



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Bill Clinton rewriting history on the AUMF vote (none / 0)

seemed like the starting point to me of the Clinton campaign getting derailed.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 08:37:14 PM EST

I have a theory (none / 0)

why Hillary is panicing, the polls are slipping but I think they beleive Obama has a Gore endorsemnt in his back pocket. Chris Matthews thinks it's internal polling  but it must be something, they can't be this stupid.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 08:38:05 PM EST

tips? (2.00 / 2)


UP News, news from the people, not the corporations
by wade norris on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 08:40:09 PM EST

Re: tips? (2.00 / 1)

Here's a tip. Never say Obama is on learning curve as a SELLING point for Obama.
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 08:47:47 PM EST
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Re: tips? (none / 0)

hey I was trying to give the guy a break. I am an Edwards supporter and have been for 10 years (that's right, even back in NC when he beat Faircloth)

But I would still like to see Barack Obama as the vice president.


UP News, news from the people, not the corporations
by wade norris on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:04:23 PM EST
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Heh (none / 0)

Funniest part of this post:
The Peru Free Trade Vote. Now Obama is not entirely clear on this issue, it seems, but he has a learning curve that HRC does not. After all, her husband gave us NAFTA.
Actually Obama is darn clear and RIGHT on the issue, he is for it. "Obama on a learning curve?" This is a selling point? I must say many Obama supporters are not a reflection of the intelligence of the candidate. NOTE: I am a weak Obama supporter but a strong condemnor of his online supporters who strike me as incredibly weak.
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 08:46:38 PM EST

Re: Heh (none / 0)

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UP News, news from the people, not the corporations
by wade norris on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:05:02 PM EST
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Re: Heh (none / 0)

hey, i don't post here a lot (i maxed out on daily kos for the day,but the monumental HRC screw ups just had to be written about),how do you post a youtube video.


UP News, news from the people, not the corporations
by wade norris on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:06:09 PM EST
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A caution (none / 0)

those who live by the poll - die by the poll...

This could all change in a week.

But the attack on Obama's kindergarten essay is still one of the FUNNIEST I have ever hear.


by fladem on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 08:50:05 PM EST

This water's been cleared to pass under the bridge (2.00 / 1)

I've heard this 300 times already, and yet these memes just come and go...


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 08:53:03 PM EST

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#1. I would admit, the Kindergarten claim was low, but Obama started it and she did give a legitimate example. Obama did tell his brother in law he wanted to run for President. Personally, I have not problem with some with ambition. I think it is a must for a Presidential candidate. You have to want it.

#2. The Iran vote was to declare it is the sense of the Senate that the IRG should be called a terrorist organization. It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons. But Clinton has long called for diplomacy with Iran going on record in February 2007 on the Senate floor.

#3. Obama also supported it.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:44:06 PM EST

Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

Obama did not support it and made a public statement prior to the vote that he was against it.  He would have voted against it if Harry Reid had not pulled a fast one.  


by Piuma on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:52:42 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

but Obama started it

Really?  Hillary's "Naive and Irresponsible" namecalling started back in June.  

2. The Iran vote also labeled them as a group trying to proliferate nuclear weapons.  So yes, that vote did have something to do with nuclear weapons.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:59:45 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

FYI, "irresponsible and frankly naive" was 24 July, but your point stands -- Clinton
is the Original Character Attacker. For her to suggest otherwise is a manipulative
insult to voters.


by horizonr on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 10:07:54 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

Are you kidding me?


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 10:22:39 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

I'm saying Obama didn't start anything, Clinton started it all the way back in July.  Unprovoked, she started the mudslinging.  What she got were some hard edged primary distinctions, and then she cries foul, saying she's better than everyone else and won't attack Democrats.  Then the polls change and she pulls the fangs out and now she's plotting character assasination stretching any small blip on a radar into murder.  It's absurd.  Just like the article talking about how Clinton staffers absolutely hate Obama since he's beating them.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 10:33:20 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

this site constantly amazes with the lunacy of its posters. i'm an obama supporter, dude, but in what universe is obama beating hilllary? latest la times poll shows him way behind.


by CalDem on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 11:26:02 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

Nationally?  That'd be helpful if we had a national primary.  

Iowa is what matters.  We've seen plenty of memo's saying "Lose Iowa and lose the nomination"  And the Des Moines Register poll (Noted to be the best one to poll Iowa historically) shows Obama leading.  If Hillary felt she was on the winning end of the nomination, why would she mix things up and go on the attack all of a sudden?  

The words don't fit the rhyme.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 11:33:01 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

And he is not beating her in Iowa either. It is very  much a three-way. It has been like that for the last few months.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:08:40 AM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

And the Des Moines Register poll (Noted to be the best one to poll Iowa historically) shows Obama leading.

And again, if Hillary felt fine with her positioning in Iowa, she wouldn't have gone on the attack like she is.  

You can say it's a three-way race, but I'm guessing the internals aren't saying that.


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:12:54 AM EST
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Re: Clinton's campaign falling apart, and everyone (none / 0)

i haven't seen that memo and iddn't realize that the only state that matters is Iowa. actually, i think that's absurd.  iowa is clearly important, and Edwards is done if he doesn't win it and Obama pretty much is, too (tho I suppose 2nd to Edwards will keep him in the race). for Clinton it's the attempted knock-out punch. but if she loses there she'll still have better than 50/50 odds. Similarly among the GOP, it's unlikely Guiliani will win, but it won't knock him out if he doesn't.

I'm pleased Obama is doing well in Iowa and I do hope it catapults him into having a fighting chance against Clinton nationally, but the idea that he's currently beating her nationally is ludicrous.


by CalDem on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:11:39 AM EST
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I never said he is.  Early states propell with momentum. Kerry wasn't anywhere good in national polls before Iowa and yet he won the nomination.  Exactly what 2008 could shape up to be.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 12:14:34 AM EST
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Harvard Law isn't kindergarten (none / 0)

Why did Obama change the names of many of his friends in his book?

He has been running from Prez since he hit the ground at Harvard, and he is trying to bury a lot of his past now because much of it doesn't fit the image he has carefully crafted for himself.


by dpANDREWS on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:57:11 AM EST
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Re: Harvard Law isn't kindergarten (none / 0)

Unfortunately, no one will focus on that because the Clinton camp made a very stupid mistake. Instead, they will focus on Clinton the attack dog.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:53:11 PM EST
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You wish it were true (none / 0)

But your saying it doesn't make it so.

If there is one thing the Clintons know how to do it is run a campaign.  


by dpANDREWS on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 09:55:36 AM EST


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