Benazir Bhutto Assassinated

I awoke to the news that, as my father put it, "they assassinated Bhutto last night."

From The AP:

Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide attack that also killed at least 20 others at a campaign rally, aides said.

The death of the 54-year-old charismatic former prime minister threw the campaign for the Jan. 8 parliamentary elections into chaos and created fears of mass protests and violence across the nuclear-armed nation, an important U.S. ally in the war on terrorism.

The attacker struck just minutes after Bhutto addressed thousands of supporters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, 8 miles south of Islamabad. She was shot in the neck and chest by the attacker, who then blew himself up, said Rehman Malik, Bhutto's security adviser.

Fox News (the preferred news network in my parents' house) is reporting that Pakistanis are gathering on the streets throughout the country marching and chanting that Musharraf is to blame (an opinion shared, per TPM, by longtime Bhutto adviser and confidante, Husain Haqqani.) In the meantime the State Department has issued a statement insisting that Musharraf was powerless to stop the attack.

As we consider the various ramifications of Bhutto's assasination, we can't help but look locally at how it will impact our own elections here at home as terrorism and the prospect of an unstable nuclear armed Middle Eastern country returns to the headlines and pushes the election off of cable news probably for the entire day. On this topic, although I am loath to admit it, Carl Cameron said what I was thinking:

The experience, the resume, the leadership qualities, the steadiness...of the candidates on both sides is going to be put under a whole new microscope. Hillary Clinton has for months been suggesting that Barack Obama is naive and inexperienced when it comes to international affairs and foreign policy. On the Republican side, Rudy Giuliani has based his entire candidacy on his reputation for his post-9/11 leadership as mayor of New York. John McCain has been saying for months that he is the onjly candidate with adequate international and foreign policy experience to be commander in chief in war time.[...]

This is precisely the type of international moment that echoes loudly on our domestic presidential campaign trail as both parties look to the candidate they would pick to lead their party and the nation.

Indeed Rudy Giuliani was the first out of the gate with a statement, invoking his own formulation "The terrorists' war on us." We can no doubt expect this event to be cited in statements and speeches all day today as the candidates seek to further shore up their international affairs credentials and, let's face it, it may be the only way they make the news today.

Update [2007-12-27 12:23:44 by Todd Beeton]:I'm sorry but Bhutto's assassination was a political event whether people like it or not; it's much larger than the tragic death of Bhutto and the throngs of supporters who were killed as well, this is earth-shaking, both abroad and at home. There is a parliamentary election in Pakistan on January 8th, which Bhutto's death clearly throws into chaos; is it distasteful to speak of that election as well? And what arbitrary date does it suddenly become OK to discuss the political ramifications of this event? As much as people like to belittle talk of who is going to win the primaries over the next few weeks as trivial "horserace" coverage, there are few issues more crucial to the future of our world than who the next president of the United States is. The extent to which this event informs that decision, I see it as absolutely relevant to the discussion.



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Re: Benazir Bhutto Assassinated (none / 0)

This is just maddening ... Joe Biden has been talking about this issue non stop for two months, but no mention of him now?  Giuliani?  Clinton?  Give me a f-ing break ... when have they ever cared about what happens in Pakistan?


by Dan Conley on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:01:55 AM EST

Yes, Biden is good on foreign affairs... (none / 0)

But can we PLEASE stop trying to make this sad event into some sick horserace? Benazir Bhutto and many others just died. Pakistan is in peril. Let's not try to make this into just another "candidate war".


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:06:29 AM EST
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Re: Yes, Biden is good on foreign affairs... (none / 0)

I agree to a certain degree, but it would not honor her memory to just turn this into a "personal tragedy" and walk away as if America could do nothing about it.  Pakistan is the way it is because of U.S. involved over many decades.  Musharraf couldn't have succeeded in his coup nor lasted as long as he has without our support.

So, to a degree, the blood is on our hands as well.  Considering that we are in the middle of Presidential election, could we dispense with the trivia and horse race coverage for just a day or two and consider a new Pakistan policy that might honor Bhutto's memory?


by Dan Conley on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:13:11 AM EST
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Yes, I agree on that... (none / 0)

This SHOULD cause us to rethink our Pakistan policy. HOWEVER, I object to the way some are trying to turn this into "petty politics" by arguing over which candidate "benefits" from this tragic event. I don't object to sane discussion of Pakistan policy, just insane speculation over some "horserace".


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:17:19 AM EST
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Re: Yes, I agree on that... (none / 0)

If we had a real news media that took political campaigns seriously, this would be an opportunity to revisit what the campaigns have already said about Pakistan and put the issue into a substantive context.  Biden isn't the only candidate who has talked about Pakistan, Obama actually engaged the issue first.

I think the complaints that people have today about this story and horserace is really a general complaint with this story tacked on ... there is NO serious, substantive coverage of our Presidential races, it's all horserace all the time.  

For example, Chris Dodd is chairman of the Banking Committee ... has anyone asked his opinion of the current banking chaos and the potential for a $1 trillion bailout in the next administration?  If Citibank were to collapse tomorrow, would everyone say "please don't trivialize this tragedy?"  Well, the trivialization has already happened because the press refuses to engage this election how it needs to be engaged if we're going to have a working democracy.


by Dan Conley on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:24:39 AM EST
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I don't think this helps anyone politically.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:06:03 AM EST

Agreed... (2.00 / 1)

It's a tragic event. Let's hope the people of Pakistan can cope with this. And yes, let's just leave it there. There's something awfully disturbing about us arguing over which candidate "benefits"  from this horrid event.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:08:48 AM EST
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Disgusting (2.00 / 1)

and stupid more like it.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:12:03 AM EST
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Re: Disgusting (2.00 / 1)

I can't stand it.  This is such a profoundly sad event, why do people have to turn everything into a candidate war?  This wonderfully brave woman has died today.  Can't we just can the candidate stuff for once?


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:23:55 AM EST
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disagree- it helps clinton because of how americans tend to view foreign policy in simplistic terms. but i also agree its inappropriate as a conversation when the real issues are bigger than candidates. like how does this affect the region?


by bruh21 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 05:28:53 PM EST
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I think we CAN avoid it today (2.00 / 3)

and anyone with sense will avoid it. I find it immature and distasteful that you have written a post that tries to horserace this story. Poor poor show.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:11:27 AM EST

Re: I think we CAN avoid it today (none / 0)

Well the networks are not avoiding it unfortunately and the blog post really only talks about what the media is making of this story. Certainly we should know what they're saying.


by Progressive America on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:16:40 AM EST
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The Media's behavior (2.00 / 2)

has NEVER been our standard. I refuse to adopt it today of all days.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:25:11 AM EST
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Re: The Media's behavior (none / 0)

But certainly what they say is important to know. Todd only reported what they were saying.


by Progressive America on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:29:30 AM EST
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Re: The Media's behavior (none / 0)

No, Todd is legitmizing and saying we have to do it. He is wrong, offensively so imo.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:53:26 AM EST
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Re: I think we CAN avoid it today (none / 0)

Avoiding it is a huge mistake. The woman didn't just die of cancer, she was murdered in a political assassination.  U.S. policy toward Pakistan is an element in the event ... to say anything else is an insult to Bhutto.

So I agree that the news should not be trivialized, neither should it be thrown into a desk drawer.  Candidates should be talking about this news today and reporters should be covering what they say because how politicians react to international events is a big part of testing their ability to perform the job ... and because we have an obligation to keep the situation in Pakistan from spiraling out of control.


by Dan Conley on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:18:40 AM EST
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I think you misunderstand me (2.00 / 1)

I think we MUST discuss the consequences to the national interests of the US, Pakistan and the countriesw of the world. What we SHOULD NOT do is discuss what it means to Rudy's campaign. Not today.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:26:16 AM EST
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Re: I think we CAN avoid it today (2.00 / 1)

really sad news of the murdering of a great leader. she knew the risks of coming back in a such a public way. she exposed herself to the dangers becuase she wanted her people to be free.


African-american for Hillary 2008
by terrondt on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:28:52 AM EST
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Re: I think we CAN avoid it today (none / 0)

This is a profoundly political, horse-race-oriented web site that continuosly tries to dissect and politically analyze the news on a tick-by-tick basis.  If you are terribly offended by hearing a discussion of the American political ramifications of Bhutto's death, this may not have been the best place for you to browse this morning.


by Trickster on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:40:54 PM EST
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What a ridiculous comment (none / 0)

It amazes me that behaving like Joe Scarboroough is considered the standard of behavior for political websites.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:43:33 PM EST
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Re: What a ridiculous comment (none / 0)

Apparently you are shocked, shocked to find there is politics going on here.  Well what DID you expect to read when you came on here this morning, precisely one week before the Iowa caucuses?  Do you think MyDD specializes in scholarly foreign affairs analysis?  

Personally, I come here because I'm a political junkie and I can reliably find other political junkies performing amateur analysis on political junk.  If I want to read something else, I'll go to another website.


by Trickster on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:53:43 PM EST
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Not shocked (none / 0)

I am condemning STUPID and WORTHLESS political jabberwocky from a poster who has not taken the time to understand the ramifications of what has occurred FIRST before spouting empty nonsense about what it means politically in the Iowa Caucuses. I am not shocked by Joe Scarborough acting a fool and frankly, and sadly, I am also not shocked that Beeton is doing the same thing. But I care about the Left blogs and I do not give a shit about dumb ass crazy Joe. You do not like what I have to say, you can ignore my comments, or criticicize them as you wish. but you have no idea what I am saying apparently.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:58:08 PM EST
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Re: Not shocked (none / 0)

Obama's team just politicized this to the hilt.  Axelrod is holding Hillary partially responsible:
http://thepage.time.com/axelrod-on-bhutt o-assassination/
I'm sorry, that's disgusting.  
formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:11:05 PM EST
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Re: Not shocked (2.00 / 1)

Axelrod might as well have said that Hillary has Bhutto's blood on her hands.  Very poor form.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:36:34 PM EST
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Re: Not shocked (none / 0)

Exactly.  


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:51:35 PM EST
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I think it was nice of the State Department to exonerate Musharraf so quickly.  I'm sure that statement will mean a lot to those people in the streets.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:26:13 AM EST

And how stupid is it (2.00 / 3)

Forget about how dishonest it is, think how STUPD it is. The Bush Administration could not be worse.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:27:06 AM EST
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Re: And how stupid is it (2.00 / 1)

I frankly don't know if the State Department had any other option, to tell you the truth.  I mean, when someone asks you about the rumors that Musharraf was involved, you can certainly respond by saying that we don't have enough information yet, but that also sends a message.

To me the clueless State Department statement is really just an artifact of our dysfunctional Pakistan policy in general.  This illustrates the box we've put ourselves in, where any number of Pakistanis believe that Musharraf had a role in assassinating a popular rival, it's entirely possible that they're correct, and yet we have no choice but to stick up for him until the bitter end.  It has the feel of the way we used to support the Shah.

This much I know: to the average American, this news will come through with no greater degree of nuance than "the terrorists are out there, and they just blew someone else up."  If we want people to understand that the situation in Pakistan is a bit more complex than that, we've got some educatin' to do.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:38:38 AM EST
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Re: And how stupid is it (2.00 / 1)

Of course they did. Consider BUSH's own statement. That is all that needed to be said. I could not disagree with you more.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:54:18 AM EST
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Re: And how stupid is it (none / 0)

Well, there's no link, so I have no idea of the context of the State Department's position.  If it was a direct question at a briefing I'm not sure they had a choice.  If it was simply a voluntary press release then I agree there's no need to chime in on the Musharraf issue.

It looks like Biden is already confronting the point head on:

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden of Delaware, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said, "I am convinced Ms. Bhutto would have won free and fair elections next week. The fact that she was by far Pakistan's most popular leader underscores the fact that there is a vast, moderate majority in Pakistan that must have a clear voice in the system."

"This fall," Biden said, "I twice urged President Musharraf to provide better security for Ms. Bhutto and other political leaders." He said "the failure to protect Ms. Bhutto raises a lot of hard questions for the government and security services that must be answered." Biden urged Bhutto's supporters to refrain from lashing out in anger.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:10:41 PM EST
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Good statement from Biden (none / 0)


by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:02:21 PM EST
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State Dep't NOW says (2.00 / 1)

in press conference they have no idea who was involved and are not exonerating anyone. They clearly saw they made a mistake and have backed off. Worthy of an UPDATE Todd.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:23:44 PM EST
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Re: State Dep't NOW says (none / 0)

Well, good.  I retract my devil's advocate argument.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:50:15 PM EST
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It's a reminder of Bush's support of Musharraf, if nothing else.  While Musharraf might not be directly behind it, I think his supporters were.

I think this will be politically neutral in the end, despite Rudy up four points on Intrade this morning.  


by mikelow1885 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:30:54 AM EST

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This is maddening! If terrorists attack, we need the Repubicans to protect us; if they don't we need Repubicans to keep the terrorists at bay. They have developed a "win/win" scenario so that whatever happens, Repubicans "win." The sorry reality is that that knife cuts both ways. THEY are in power. If we are attacked, THEY have failed us. If they don't, WE are simply lucky. Repubes have been incompetent at EVERYTHING they have attempted (budget, Katrina, healthcare, enviroment, war, etc., etc.). Why would ANY sensient being think they were competent at fighting terrorism ... or anything else, for that matter? They have realized Ronald Reagan's dream by proving his misguided premise: "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem." He's right: George W. Bush's government IS the problem, not a solution to anything. The sooner we cut through this rhetorical crap, the better for all of us!


by randron on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:34:05 AM EST

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Just like the intense though minority opposition to Hilary Clinton which runs around 45%, Benazir Bhutto was bitterly opposed by 45%, and these crazies would go to great lengths. One can only hope that Americans of all persuasions would settle their political races in a much more civilized way and not return to the uncivilized ways of the 1960s.


by Boilermaker on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:39:40 PM EST
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Sorry, but your update is nonsensical (1.50 / 4)

Here is what you COULD have done. Spoend today devoted to reporting on what this means for US interests. Indeed, the only SENSIBLE way to discuss the POLITICAL ramifications domestically of this event require an understanding of what it means for policy. Frankly Todd, you spent NOT a second considering it. The political candidates have more sense than you about this. Terrible post. terrible update. Utterly clueless.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:45:51 PM EST

Your update states (2.00 / 1)

"to the extent this informs the decisions [on who to vote for President] it is relevant." Indeed, it is, how about writing a post on how this effects our interests so you can intelligently discuss how it informs the decision for President? You put the cart before the horse. You have no idea what the Bhutto assassination was about, what it means, and how it will effect the Presidential race. In essence, like Joe Scarborough, you put the cart before the horse.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:51:23 PM EST
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And Todd (2.00 / 1)

if you want to look at the politics angle, maybe you should post on the candidate reactions to the event. Like this post does.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 12:59:17 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, but your update is nonsensical (2.00 / 1)

In case my comment gets zeroed out by the likes of idiots like piuma, here it is again:
Sorry, but your update is nonsensical (0.00 / 1) Here is what you COULD have done. Spoend today devoted to reporting on what this means for US interests. Indeed, the only SENSIBLE way to discuss the POLITICAL ramifications domestically of this event require an understanding of what it means for policy. Frankly Todd, you spent NOT a second considering it. The political candidates have more sense than you about this. Terrible post. terrible update. Utterly clueless.

by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:00:44 PM EST
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Not ice I did NOt question (2.00 / 1)

Beeton's integrity as people like piuma do to Jerome on a daily basis.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:01:43 PM EST
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Re: Not ice I did NOt question (none / 0)

Who are you to say what is off-limits?  The argument Jerome presented was precisely about integrity and opened up the door to a discussion of integrity.  I would suggest you look at your own behavior first before criticizing others.  I zeroed you only to get your attention about that.  


by Piuma on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:08:45 PM EST
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Your argument is (2.00 / 1)

as I understand it, because Jerome purportedly challenged the commitment of Obama to a "new politics" he opened the door to having his own integrity challenged. That is lunacy imo. Every comment made by anyone then is subject to such a challenge. Frankly, your rule is this - challenge Obama and expect to be attacked in every imaginable way. I find that approach contemptible.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:19:02 PM EST
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Re: Your argument is (none / 0)

You don't read too well, perhaps because you read through those glasses of your own partisanship.  Jerome's argument was that a campaign consultant's fee structure speaks to the integrity of the consultant and the campaign.  Why don't you stick to expressing your own opinions instead of telling others what you think their rule is?  It is not surprising to me that someone who is so filled with contempt themselves will find the words and opinions of other contemptible.


by Piuma on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:39:31 PM EST
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Trying to find the substance of your argument (none / 0)

It seems to be this:
Jerome's argument was that a campaign consultant's fee structure speaks to the integrity of the consultant and the campaign.
I think that is actually a fair assessment of what Jerome says and I think you did not say that before. But let me address it now. If Jerome makes that argument, THEN the next time he works on a campaign it seems to me FAIR to ask that he disclose his payment structure and hold him to account if he deviates from the standard he has enunciated. By the same token, saying THAT does not mean it is fair game to question his integrity simply BECAUSE he has made that argument.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:05:39 PM EST
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Re: Not ice I did NOt question (none / 0)

It is quite clear what is off-limits, as per this site's rules:

1. Attacking other posters of this site with inflammatory insults is a bannable offense.  

2. Candidates are fair game.

Could not be clearer than that. What has been said to Jerome in regards to his opinion about Obama has gone way beyond the pale of the acceptable, is against the rules of this site, and simply does not belong within the framework of civilized discussion in any case.    


by georgep on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:55:16 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, but your update is nonsensical (none / 0)

Seriously, BTD, you made your feelings known early on in this diary.  I (and I am sure many others) appreciated your take on this, and take it into consideration.  Is it really necessary to continue harping on it?  

My personal opinion is that the tragedy is important in many ways, geopolitical of course, but also in regards to our national nomination process.  I mourn the loss of a great politician who would have been quite helpful in the region, but I am also interested how the tragedy affects us towards the upcoming nomination/election season.  I guess you were hoping for a moratorium on such discussion for a day, but that is just a difference of opinion that should not lead to such strong condemnation (btw, I agree with you that the attacks on Jerome by Obama supporters have been irrationally hateful and full of unfounded vitriol.)  


by georgep on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:50:33 PM EST
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Fair enough (none / 0)

I was responding to the UPDATE which missed the point imo.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:00:03 PM EST
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I idea that we should not tie this into the Presidential horserace right away is apparently an not an opinion Mrs. Clinton shares.  Her comment from the HuffPo article:


At a high school in Lawton, Iowa, on Thursday, Clinton said she had come to know Bhutto during the former prime minister's years in office and her time in exile and was "profoundly saddened and outraged" by the assassination.

In a world of such violence and threats, Clinton said, "it certainly raises the stakes high for what we expect from our next president. I know from a lifetime of working to make change."

Contrast that with the quote by Obama:


Obama said he was shocked and saddened by Bhutto's death.

"She was a respected and resilient advocate of democracy for the people of Pakistan," he said. "We have to make sure that we are clear as Americans that we stand for democracy and that we will be steadfast in our desire to end the types of terrorist attacks that have blighted not just Pakistan but the rest of the of the world."

Obama's response is not unique.  In fact, of all the candidates quoted in the article, only Clinton brings the event into a discussion of her candidacy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires 20071227/candidates-pakistan


by Piuma on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:59:25 PM EST

Shame on Clinton (none / 0)


by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:00:38 PM EST
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What do you think of Axelrod's statements, in light of what you just posted?

Bhutto's death will "call into issue the judgment: who's made the right judgments," Axelrod said. "Obviously, one of the reasons that Pakistan is in the distress that it's in is because al-Qaeda is resurgent, has become more powerful within that country and that's a consequence of us taking the eye off the ball and making the wrong judgment in going into Iraq. That's a serious difference between these candidates and I'm sure that people will take that into consideration."

"She was a strong supporter of the war in Iraq, which we would submit, was one of the reasons why we were diverted from Afghanistan, Pakistan and al-Qaeda, who may have been players in this event today, so that's a judgment she'll have to defend," Axelrod said. "I know Woody Allen said that 80% of life is just showing up but there's actually more to being proficient in foreign policy than just having been around for a long time. You also have to have good judgment. Obama was willing to split with the conventional wisdom on Iraq and many of these other issues and I think events have borne out his judgment."

Now, I would argue that that's about a hundred times the level of politicization displayed by Hillary's brief comment.  Perhaps you would disagree.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:39:41 PM EST
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I am personally not offended on a relative scale by any of the statements on the Democratic side, including Hillary's or Axelrod's. We have had politicians make political statements exploiting our soldier's lives. So relatively, this is no worse to me.

You want desperate. Read the Republicans' statements. Exc4ept for Huckabee, the others are still using this to justify either the general war on terror or the war in iraq. McCain and Guiliani especially are both priceless. McCain name drops Iraq. Guiliani namedrops war on terror. Romney does his usual hedging and says that this shows that Iraq is not the only front in the war on terror(I guess this way he can say that he thinks it is one of the fronts, while at the same time, he can say that he doesn't think it is wise we think Iraq is the only front).


by Pravin on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:53:49 PM EST
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I wonder what Romney intends to do in terms of opening up that second front.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:57:57 PM EST
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The assassin who took the life of Ms. Bhutto was armed with both a gun and a suicide explosive device.  Al-Qaeda attacks do not normally feature firearms, only their sick propensity for so-called martyrdom via explosion.  It is more likely that the killer was on orders from Musharraf to shoot her; he may have further been told that the suicide vest was in fact a special body armor.  The 'body armor' could then have been detonated by remote once Bhutto fell.

Musharraf's strategy regarding the U.S. is clear and long established; forcing us to choose between himself and the Islamic extremists.  No third choice available.  The murder of Benazir Bhutto is totally consistent with his m.o., having failed to manipulate her once she returned to Pakistan, or avert her near-certain victory in the upcoming election.  

Conspiracy theory?  Maybe.  Just consider, though, what the al-Qaeda/Taliban faction REALLY have to gain by Bhutto's death as opposed to Musharraf.  


Take out the trash. Down with Saxby Chambliss!
by CLLGADEM on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:18:22 PM EST

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I wouldnt be so sure it is Musharaff. It is possible that he did not do his best to protect her. But in reality, protecting her was going to be something even the US Secret Service would have a hard time dealing with. It was just high a security risk.I just blame Musharaff for playing with fire for too long. He tried to get too cute with the funding by our idiots in DC who should have known better. I knew our foreign aid was getting misused.

In any case, it could have been Al Quaeda, Taliban, ISI, or a combination of them. I don't think we can tell for sure until later. Musharaff would not want to deal with the clusterfuck that Pakistan is going to be in the next few weeks where Bhutto's supporters are going to wreak havoc in revenge.


by Pravin on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:49:51 PM EST
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Re: Benazir Bhutto Assassinated (none / 0)

I find it unlikely that Musharraf was personally involved in plotting this assassination.  It's far more difficult to establish whether he was complicit somehow in the lack of adequate security.

Even if Musharraf was completely out of the loop, I'm confident there were plenty of elements in the military that felt threatened by what Bhutto represented: a resurgence of control by civilian politicians.

And of course, there are inevitably going to be members of the military and security forces who are just flat-out sympathetic to extremist elements.  Remember who killed Anwar Sadat.

I've seen it already claimed that Rawalpindi is a garrison city where it would be very hard for extremist elements to infiltrate and set up an attack without some degree of cooperation from security forces.

I certainly agree with you that no one should be jumping to conclusions.  We should instead be trying to intelligently assess the possibilities.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:56:55 PM EST
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Re: Benazir Bhutto Assassinated (none / 0)

"Musharraf would not want to deal with the clusterf**k....."

Perhaps he would.  It might play into the "I bring order, everyone else represents chaos" meme to have widespread riots.  Remember, his lifeline is not domestic popularity, but U.S. support.

I'm not saying anything for sure.  Just theorizing.  The fact is that this is terrible and tragic news.  


Take out the trash. Down with Saxby Chambliss!
by CLLGADEM on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 05:35:44 PM EST
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Re: Benazir Bhutto Assassinated (none / 0)

Perhaps we should also consider those within the security apparatus who are not necessarily aligned with Musharraf who would have had the motive and opportunity for this assassination.  Your point about the use of firearms is a relevant one and clearly implies this was a traditional, professional assassination.  The question is whodunit?  Al-Qaeda has just as much to gain from this as any other vested interest which seeks to undermine democratic rule in Pakistan.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 06:03:14 PM EST
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HRC's Statement (none / 0)

I am profoundly saddened and outraged by the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, a leader of tremendous political and personal courage. I came to know Mrs. Bhutto over many years, during her tenures as Prime Minister and during her years in exile.  Mrs. Bhutto's concern for her country, and her family, propelled her to risk her life on behalf of the Pakistani people. She returned to Pakistan to fight for democracy despite threats and previous attempts on her life and now she has made the ultimate sacrifice. Her death is a tragedy for her country and a terrible reminder of the work that remains to bring peace, stability, and hope to regions of the globe too often paralyzed by fear, hatred, and violence.

Let us pray that her legacy will be a brighter, more hopeful future for the people she loved and the country she served. My family and I extend our condolences and deepest sympathies to the victims and their families and to the people of Pakistan.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:28:26 PM EST

Re: Edwards' Statement (none / 0)

John Edwards came out with a statement as well.

http://johnedwards.com/news/press-releas es/20071227-bhutto/


Take out the trash. Down with Saxby Chambliss!
by CLLGADEM on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 06:07:56 PM EST
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Our foreign policy idiocy (none / 0)

So all this money spent over a decade, and nothing really has changed in the region where islamic fanaticism has been pretty bad.

Both parties have been failures. Our idiots in DC(and most of our candidates were not diligent enough) did not do their best to avoid war with IRaq and other useless paranoid war drumbeating in other regions. Geez, this war on terror sure is a joke. The failure of the DEmocrats to make their case to the American public has been the reason why the  Bushies have wasted so many lives and money in a bid to scare the terrorists. Quite a few of our Democratic leaders have  been enablers of this disastrous foreign policy. Well, those terrorists sure don't look scared of blowing themselves up when they want to kill someone.

You can not scare islamic lunatics with a silly war. They just assassinated a woman who will do no harm to them, even if she got into power. That is how full of hate these idiots are.


by Pravin on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 02:46:18 PM EST

As a former front page blogger... (none / 0)

A nation is in mourning overseas. Appears Mydd's interests on who wins the Presidential election is of a higher regard than the chaos and strife of a fragile democracy tearing at the seams

You begin a breaking tragic story with the humanity perspective and allow people to share their feelings and commentary, not flog and flaunt with political rhetorical analysis.    

 


by optimusprime on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 05:07:22 PM EST

Re: Benazir Bhutto Assassinated (none / 0)


Ésta es malas noticias.

Fidel Castro on hearing of JFK's assasination - 23 Nov 63


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 06:06:29 PM EST


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