NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His Wife's Senate Run

The latest ARG poll of the New Hampshire senate race (558 RVs, Dec. 16-19, MOE +/- 4.2%) shows John Sununu pulling ahead of Jeanne Shaheen for the first time since Shaheen declared for the seat in September. Since ARG and Rasmussen polls showed Shaheen leading Sununu by 5% in September, Sununu has consistently been behind by double digits, but now the tables appear to have turned.

Shaheen (D) 41
Sununu (R) 52
Undecided 7

As you might expect, this result appears to be a direct consequence of Bill Shaheen's not so subtle attack on Barack Obama earlier this month that led to his stepping down as New Hampshire co-chair of Hillary Clinton's campaign.

From Congressional Quarterly:

The name "Shaheen" appeared in the national news just a few days before the poll was taken, but it wasn't Jeanne Shaheen that made the headlines. Her husband, longtime Democratic presidential strategist Bill Shaheen, announced Dec. 13 that he was quitting his co-chairman position on Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton 's presidential campaign after making comments about Barack Obama and drug use that evoked strong criticism.

Dick Bennett, president of American Research Group, told CQ Politics that he believes some poll respondents were influenced by the Shaheen flap because Democratic voters, especially those supporting Obama, may have negatively reacted to reminders that the Shaheen family has already signed on to Clinton's campaign.

Indeed, you look at the party breakdown of support for the two candidates and it certainly looks as though NH Democrats are punishing Shaheen for her husband's stunt. While 93% of Republicans say they support John Sununu, only 79% of Democrats support Shaheen and even 13% of Democrats say they'll support the Republican. This is in stark contrast to the 90% support Shaheen drew from New Hampshire Dems in the November Survey USA poll.

ARG president Dick Bennett warns that this result is likely a temporary aberration and that the race is likely to tighten once again, but it certainly sends a warning to Democrats not to take this race for granted and serves as a reminder to the presidential candidates and their surrogates as to just how much power, and with that, responsibility, they have when it comes to the down-ballot races in a presidential year. One of the knocks against Clinton is that her divisiveness and her potential to rally Republicans will hurt Democrats down ticket nationally; considering Bill Shaheen's connection to the Clinton campaign, this poll certainly does nothing to allay that fear.



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the Dems will come back to Shaheen (none / 0)

I have seen this movie before--Democrats are angry with their candidate for whatever reason and may even insist that they would never vote for that person.

In October they come home and vote Democrat.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 01:07:30 PM EST

Re: the Dems will come back to Shaheen (none / 0)

Yeah, they'll get over it.


by Bush Bites on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 01:44:35 PM EST
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This poll was pretty (none / 0)

clearly an outlier if you look at the other polling done in the period.

Even ARG I think knows it's not right.


by fladem on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:38:08 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (2.00 / 1)

Wait , so now ARG polls are reliable.

People have to make up their minds on these things.

A lot of people tend to dismiss the ARG polls , the NH poll showing a lead for Clinton was dismissed and their Iowa poll was dismissed.

So which is it ?


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by lori on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 01:11:31 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

ARG has never polled IA before this election cycle.

Polling caucuses is very difficult, much harder than a primary.

We have no record of their past performance in polling Iowa. That is why their is skepticisim about their Iowa poll's which are in-consistent compared to other Iowa polls.


by BDM on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 01:23:28 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

The ARG polls are actually conducted in conjunction with the folks that conduct the dmr poll which is regarded as the best poll in Iowa , so I wonder if people would dismiss the dmr poll too.

However the ARG polls coming out of NH was also dismissed as an outlier especially by some Obama supporters .

So maybe people should reevaluate the dismissal of polls if it doesn't show what they want to see.

I don't dismiss polls just because they are bad for my candidate but a lot of people tend to do that.


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by lori on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 01:30:09 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

Well, seeing that YOU take AGR seriously, what say you one THESE results ?

Hmmmmmmm?


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by BlueDiamond on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:43:23 PM EST
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ARG polls are, in fact, UNreliable...... (none / 0)

I don't have statistics handy at my fingertips or the time at this moment to look them up, but as a poll-obsessed political junkie who generally believes in polling I can tell you ARG is NOTORIOUSLY inaccurate.  ARG has a LOT of extreme volatility in its own trendlines and also frequently its results deviate from those of most other polling outfits testing the same races.  Those things both indicate methodological problems.  I trust ARG only when it confirms what other pollsters already are saying about a race.

I'm an Obama supporter and I don't hang my hat on an ARG poll when it's good for Obama or when it's bad for Obama.

And regarding Sununu, I would bet real money that the next poll comes out by a different outfit, assuming no events intervene to genuinely change the race, show Shaheen either tied or winning, perhaps even winning by a decent margin.

It's really lazy analysis for a pollster to try to attack Bill Shaheen's remarks regarding Obama to a decline in his wife's polling numbers vs. Sununu.  Most voters AREN'T EVEN AWARE that this dust-up happened.  This is because of RULE #1 in campaign analysis:  most people don't care about or follow politics.  Most voters pay attention to big things or at least what they perceive as big things, and these little controversies don't have the impact that political junkies think they can have unless they fit into a broader narrative.


by DCCyclone on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:05:53 PM EST
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I find it harder to dismiss the Iowa (none / 0)

poll than the New Hampshire Poll.

In New Hampshire 3 other polls in the timeframe show nothing similiar (though a Fox poll a couple of days earlier did).   Also, exit polling shows about 45% of the NH primary is made up of independents and ARG always limit this size of the sample to 30% - which is pretty clearly wrong.

The Iowa poll, though, is the only one taken in that time frame.  I think ARG in general is pretty questionable - but there is nothing directly comparable.  


by fladem on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:40:45 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

Good.


by Louverture on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 01:15:03 PM EST

I think I've heard this story before (2.00 / 1)

I guess losing the House one time in 1994 wasn't enough. If Clinton wins, we're going to have a very difficult time maintaining the House or Senate in 2010 and on. We're also probably going to lose many opportunities at pickups in 2008 when we could have a chance at 60 Senate seats.


by Progressive America on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 01:31:01 PM EST

Re: Lets blame the Wife says Obama fans (2.00 / 1)

"Whatever Bill has supposedly done."

That's funny.


by Bush Bites on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 01:47:45 PM EST

Re: Lets blame the Wife says Obama fans (none / 0)

I thought they were co-presidents.


by parahammer on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:03:01 PM EST
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NH Senate Primary (2.00 / 1)

There is a progressive running against Shaheen in the primary.

http://www.buckey08.com/home.html


by parahammer on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:00:28 PM EST

Re: NH Senate Primary (none / 0)

Exactly. I'd like to see Buckey's polling numbers now.


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by clarkent on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 06:18:56 PM EST
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Bump in the road (none / 0)

Bill Shaheen may have effected the numbers a bit.  It could be an outlier.  

Who knows.


by dpANDREWS on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:11:33 PM EST

Ive long said that (none / 0)

Democrats are cutting off their nose to spite their faces by nominating somebody as polarizing and gaffe prone as Hillary Clinton.  


by Toddwell on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:13:31 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

One cannot cite one poll as proof of a Republican trope's actual existence.  More significant, however, is the reiteration of this trope by Obama supporters.


by truthteller2007 on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:17:01 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

You can likely thank Clinton if that happens.  


by Toddwell on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:19:19 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

hey what would she do with all of that obama pac money , lol.


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by lori on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:21:04 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

Do you want Shea-Porter to lose?  If Clinton is elected President, she is going to have to have Shea-Porter in Congress if she wants to even think about getting her agenda through Congress.  


by Toddwell on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:25:47 PM EST
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Todd I'm disappointed in your commentary here..... (none / 0)

You're really hanging your hat on this poll in a big way and buying wholesale that there's a connection to these results and Bill Shaheen's comments.

As I posted in a reply elsewhere in this comment thread, ARG has notoriously inaccurate polls:  extreme volatility in its own trendlines and extreme deviation from other pollsters testing the same races indicate methodological problems.  And setting aside ARG's specific problems, it's the nature of statistical sampling that every pollster, without exception, produces the occasional outlier.  So to rely on ONE poll with results deviating WILDLY from ALL previous polling just doesn't make any sense, and the fact that the one deviating poll is by ARG increases further the skepticism an observer should have.

The other point is to note that it's dubious to think that Bill Shaheen's Obama comments would register in a NH Senate race between his wife and Sununu.  The first rule of campaigning is this:  most voters don't care about or follow politics.  People follow big issues or at least what they THINK are big issues, and little dust-ups like Bill Shaheen's big mouth don't move polling numbers unless they fit a broader narrative and EVEN THEN THEY DON'T CARRY OVER into a tangential race (Bill's wife vs. Sununu for Senate) that has nothing to do with the dust-up itself (between Hillary's campaign and Obama for President).

To think Bill Shaheen's comments about Obama mean ANYTHING in Jeanne Shaheen's Senate race is to make the same idiotic mistake that the corporate media made in thinking that MoveOn's anti-Iraq War NYT ad would affect public opinion on our Iraq policy.  Most voters AREN'T EVEN AWARE Bill Shaheen said anything at all about Obama.  Only fervent political junkies pay attention to shit like this.


by DCCyclone on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:21:45 PM EST

Re: Todd I'm disappointed (2.00 / 1)

The poll was taken in the aftermath of the "Obama sold drugs" story.  Shaheen is down to 70% among Democratic voters.  My guess is a number of these New Hampshire Democrats (who are paying attention to the presidential race) probably thought it was Jeanne and not Bill who said this about Obama.  I'm sure she'll recover, but this is what happens.  She disappointed us in 2002, let's see if she does it again in 2008.


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by Vox Populi on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:48:43 PM EST
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Honestly (none / 0)

I don't think the Bill Shaheen thing really hurt his wife. Maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I've never trusted ARG polls on... anything. Not in Iowa, not in New Hampshire.

If someone else releases a poll showing Sununu up by 11 points, then maybe this is credible. But after Shaheen solidly leading Sununu for so long, I doubt that a dumb comment by Bill Shaheen could really do that much damage.

Maybe they're even, or Sununu is up but within the margin of error. But 11 points? No. I don't trust this poll.


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by Fitzy on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:23:18 PM EST

Re: Honestly (none / 0)

The Senate campaigns are yet to be launched, and Sununu's record has not yet been exposed on television.  


by truthteller2007 on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:59:45 PM EST
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Re: Lets blame the Wife says Obama fans (none / 0)

Uh, yeah, Right. That's the most pathetic explanation I have seen yet.


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by BlueDiamond on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 02:44:53 PM EST

Grrr. ARG. (n/t) (none / 0)


by RT on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 03:00:22 PM EST

Even pollsters said result suspect (none / 0)

The guy who runs the ARG polls was so suspicious of the result of this poll he essentially said it looked bit suspect. And on this suspect poll the diarist builds a grand and equally suspect theory that anyone attacking Obama is doomed. What piffle.    


by ottovbvs on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 03:35:04 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

The question is, when will they poll Shaheen against Jay Buckey?  There is still a primary, you know.


by dday on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 07:50:42 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: Bill Shaheen's Obama Stunt Hurting His (none / 0)

The thing is that someone typically has to pay for such a poll.


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by Steve M on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 11:16:48 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: (none / 0)

Shaheen did it to HIMSELF, it's not Hillary's fault.  It wasn't her talking, it was HIM.


by reasonwarrior on Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 08:41:18 PM EST


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