Matt Stoller Targets Chelsea Clinton

I just read an extremely disturbing post by Taylor Marsh.

I have always felt that both Chris Bowers and Matt Stoller, even before they left MyDD were very unfair to HRC. However, I am a Clinton supporter and tend to take criticism of HRC and the Big Dog to heart. Both Chris and Matt have criticized HRC extensively on her policies and stances, which I believe to be fair game. But is targeting Chelsea Clinton fair game?

Matt insinuates in Is Clinton a Weaker General Election Candidate that Chelsea is "greedy" because she works for a Hedge Fund.

...the Clinton's have, how to put it, real character issues. I haven't written this before, because I don't believe in going after family members unless they make themselves an issue, but Chelsea Clinton, despite the opportunity to do anything she wants, chose to be a hedge fund manager. What does that say about the Clinton family commitment to public service?

Matt goes on to say:

I write this because Clinton is using her daughter in an ad that says 'My Mom taught me to stand up for myself, and to stand up for those who can't do it on their own', and then express pride at passing those values on to her daughter. What kind of value system is that? And what does it say that Clinton is bringing her daughter into the contest bragging about her daughter's greed? This is one small example (Mark Penn is another), but it's pretty clear that the Clinton's have become in some ways Bourbon-esque aristocrats.

Matt further says:

Clinton made a choice to bring her daughter into the Presidential contest. Why? I don't know. But if she's going to do that, then it makes sense to look at those values. And they don't show a commitment to public service, unless you think hedge fund work is public service.

Am I missing something here? What's the crime in Chelsea supporting her mother? What does her choice in careers have to do with anything? Wouldn't any daughter or son support their parent's choice or decision (unless you're Rudy Giuliani's children)?  Think about it.  Even Mitt Romney's children hold substantial roles in his campaign.

Please read Matt's post and Taylor's post in its entirety.  I agree with Taylor Marsh and find Matt's post to be over the line. Also it's Matt's blog, Open Left that proved the meme "Clinton's a Weaker General Candidate" is wrong when it did an Electoral College analysis using state-by-state, head-to-head candidate match-ups.  


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Re: Matt Stoller Targets Chelsea Clinton (none / 0)

I think Matt's post is over the line.


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:17:15 PM EST

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When you put yourself out on the campaign, you put yourself out for all the scrutiny that comes with the campaign trail.  Why do you think people started criticizing Oprah right after she hit the trail with Obama?  Because she became fair game and some of you guys felt you had something to gain by trashing the name of a good person.  It goes both ways.  Don't trash Oprah and say people scrutinizing Chelsea isn't fair.  


"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." - Soren Kierkegaard
by SixthElement on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:25:33 PM EST
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What does Chelsea working for a Hedge Fund got to do with anything? So working in the financial services industry is somehow evil? I don't follow you!


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:30:58 PM EST
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Hillary lied, why not Chelsea too?  

Why is she going to tell people "My Mom taught me to stand up for myself, and to stand up for those who can't do it on their own" when she goes straight to work for hedge fund financial services?  

What's the value of a value you don't use?  Chelsea was pretty much lying to everyone who sees her say that.  How many people are she going to find in the hedge fund business who can't stand up for themselves?  

That's the issue here.  Chelsea is lying to the people.  


"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." - Soren Kierkegaard
by SixthElement on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:36:46 PM EST
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Your response was just plain stupid. I won't engage with you any longer. This is serious for me and is not a game.


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:38:18 PM EST
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She opened the door for scrutiny, and she'll have to deal with it.  If Stoller is making you & Chelsea weep, I'd hate to see what happens if this hypocrisy got picked up by the MSM.  


"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." - Soren Kierkegaard
by SixthElement on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:43:55 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller Targets Chelsea Clinton (2.00 / 1)

This comment is another good example of what the diary talks about.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:38:34 PM EST
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She was LYING?  How so?  That seems like a rather ridiculous statement to make.  

Matt is over the line with his post.  Nobody goes after Obama's kids or Edwards' kids to see what they do.  Besides, Edwards worked for a hedgefund and is/was proud of it, claims it helped him in his fight against poverty.  


by georgep on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:07:18 PM EST
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Just because it probably seems that I never agree with you George, let me step in and say that I think Matt's post was inappropriate and that there's not reason to call Chelsea a liar. There's no reason to make Chelsea's professional decisions relevant to Hillary's presidential qualifications.

Related to this, I saw something interesting the other night as I was watching C-Span coverage of Chelsea doing the meet and greet after an Iowa appearance. Many folks asked her what she was doing these days--professionally speaking. She replied that she was working "in finance" in New York. So, even though I don't think it's relevant to Hillary, Chelsea understands that voters probably wouldn't exactly love the fact that Hillary's daughter works for a hedge fund.


by DPW on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:27:27 PM EST
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The two are NOT THE SAMe (2.00 / 2)

Jesus, what a stupid comment.  Chelsea is not a politician.  She has said nothing. She's just a person whose mother is running.

This is not that complicated.  Children of politicians are not fair game.


by dataguy on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:42:22 PM EST
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Re: The two are NOT THE SAMe (none / 0)

Thank you for your candor dataguy!


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:43:25 PM EST
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Re: The two are NOT THE SAMe (2.00 / 1)

Do you still call kids, kids when they are 18?  There is a difference when you are a child and an adult.  Chelsea made the choice to go along on the campaign, not Hillary.  Chelsea opened the door for scrutiny.  It's that simple.  

Chris Dodd is the son of a politician.  Nobody can scrutinize him by your standard.  George Bush is the son of a politician, nobody can scrutinize him by your standard.  

Get real.  When somebody is 18 years old and making their OWN decisions, they are fair game.  If you're an adult, and acting like an adult, why should people treat you differently?  


"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." - Soren Kierkegaard
by SixthElement on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:47:39 PM EST
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Re: The two are NOT THE SAMe (2.00 / 2)

You make zero sense.  What difference does it make if a son/daughter is 20 or 16?  I guess you just want to bash "the Clintons" for all they are worth.  That does not make your stance any more reasonable.  Chelsea is not running for office, for cripes sakes.  She is just on the campaign trail.  Hillary's mother has also been seen campaigning with her.  How about we go through her every life move to see if we can discern sinister "family commitment" issues.  Hey, how about Obama's two fathers?  Maybe we can see something in their lives that gives us an idea about how committed his entire family is to progressive causes?

A more idiotic issue could not be made, and you defending "going after Chelsea" for where she works speaks volumes.


by georgep on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:14:44 PM EST
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Re: The two are NOT THE SAMe (none / 0)

I think data guy is the one who doesn't make sense.  He's calling a 27 year old a child.  


"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." - Soren Kierkegaard
by SixthElement on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:47:55 PM EST
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I don't like Hillary much and I thought that was a pretty ridiculous thing for Matt to write.  Also, correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he written that he came VERY close to taking a job on Wall Street after  college?  There's nothing inherently evil about working in the financial services industry.  All depends on what you're doing...


by HSTruman on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:25:03 PM EST

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Exactly! Before taking a job with the Federal Government I worked for a bank (Investment, Retail Sales). Does that make me evil or something? I just don't understand Matt's point. Going after HRC on policies is one thing, but going after Chelsea because she works for a Hedge Fund is quite another.


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:33:33 PM EST
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Oh Brother.... (2.00 / 1)

I am now thoroughly convinced that there is NOWHERE some of these HILLARY HATERS wont go. I am sure that Dorothy Rodham is next on the list. Why not bash an 87 year old woman?   Thats the politics of HOPE for ya.  


Hillary/Obama 2008
by Sandy1938 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:25:36 PM EST

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Has Matt Stoller discussed Michelle Obama's deep ties to WAL-MART?  Or will we only hold the Clintons to the impossible standard he and his handlers determine?


by truthteller2007 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:29:43 PM EST

They hate the Clintons! (none / 0)

No. I just think he and Chris hate the Clinton. Why I don't know? It's really sickening truth.


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:34:34 PM EST
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Impossible standard?  Give me an f--ing break Truthteller.  Since when is it impossible to live your life in this country without serving entitities that consume to such a degree that our very existence is threatened.  I didn't know about the Chelsea "hedge fund manager" fact but, I totally agree, it is disturbing.  A young woman with every door available to choose that one is telling.

This world is dying for a little less selfishness.  Let's try to find leaders that challenge us to think less of ourselves and more of our neighbors and the world.  Impossible standard--if that were true, we're screwed.


When I gave food to the poor they called me a Saint. When I asked why the poor were hungry they called me a communist.- Dom Helder Camera
by kentuckydave on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:59:31 PM EST
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Hillary Was on the Wal-Mart Board! (none / 0)

Jeez...it is Orwellian for a Clinton supporter to go after Michelle Obama over Wal-Mart.  I have no idea what you are talking about but it is a matter of fact that Hillary was on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart!  


by howardpark on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 09:38:06 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller Targets Chelsea Clinton (2.00 / 3)

Maybe I'm not objective on this because I'm a Wall Street sellout myself.  But if someone tried to use my job as evidence that my dad didn't teach me real values, I'd punch them in the teeth.  (Violent overreaction is also a skill I picked up without any help from my dad.)

Everyone has to make their own choices, but I wouldn't personally presume to judge any young person in their 20s who feels like they want to make some money and set their future in order.

Sometimes I wonder how many of the people who make cracks about hedge funds even know what they are.  Al Gore has a hedge fund, you know.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:37:21 PM EST

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Exactly SteveM.  Don't forget about Edwards and Saros. I don't see anything wrong with Hedge Funds. However, in Edwards case, he was being hypocritical in regards to HRC and lobbyist money.


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:40:37 PM EST
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Well, I sure hope we don't find out Cate Edwards is taking any of that George Soros money!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:44:39 PM EST
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LOL


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:45:59 PM EST
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Well at least he didn't call Chelsea a drug dealing muslim.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:39:10 PM EST

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And neither did HRC. She has a Civil Right record to prove it. I knew it was just a matter of time before Barry and his supporters would play the race card. Real low!


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:42:17 PM EST
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Her campaign did and you know it.

stop saying "race card." it embarrasses me as a white person.

racial politics are real. race is real. its not a trick card to play.

his name is not barry.


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 10:11:05 PM EST
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it is shameful - thats like saying "Chris Dodd's children got a C in Math, Doesnt Dodd teach his children about the value of education?"

Its out of line and stupid.

NB - I do not know anything about the grades of Chris' two young daughters.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:08:56 PM EST

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I believe one of his daughter is in kindergarten, and the other is too young to be in school.  So I'm hopeful that they haven't gotten any unacceptable grades just yet.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:19:47 PM EST
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truthteller slams obama for having a son of a contributor working as an intern. i didn't have the heart to tell her chelsea works for one of her mom's major contributors.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:49:29 PM EST

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Did you miss the point of the diary? Chelsea's not running; her mom is. Chelsea hasn't said anything but shoed up at a rally to support her mother; like any son or daughter would. What is wrong with you people? Chelsea is innocent and shouldn't be slimed.


by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 05:20:53 PM EST
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i agree with out. that's why i didn't make the argument to truthteller.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:22:38 AM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller Targets Chelsea Clinton (none / 0)

i agree with you, rather.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:22:56 AM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller Targets Chelsea Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Just throw Stoller in with all the assholes like McCain and Limbaugh who have attacked Chelsea Clinton for years.


by hwc on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 06:32:29 PM EST


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