Boo, Hoo, Hoo. Dems Aren't Kowtowing to Fox News

Notwithstanding Jane Harman, who apparently decided to appear on Fox News Sunday this morning, the cable news network for and by conservative Republicans is shockingly having some difficulty getting Democrats to come on its programming. Here's FNS host Chris Wallace moaning to The Politico earlier this week.

"I think the Democrats are damn fools [for] not coming on Fox News," Wallace said. "And my guess is that once you get a nominee, they probably will come on, because they know that we get a lot of voters they are going to need if they are going to win the election."

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Aside from his hourlong Sunday show, the Democratic candidates will not participate in any Fox News-sponsored debates, leaving Wallace to moderate three Republican contests over the course of 2007.

"Just imagine if the Republicans, under pressure from right-to-life groups, refused to appear on CNN or MSNBC," Wallace said.

"I think there would be holy unshirted hell. I think there would be such talk about these people being captives of the extreme right wing and why are they afraid to answer questions. And I think the absence of that is very telling.

"At this point, it has become kind of a loyalty test inside the Democratic Party, ... pandering to the far-left-wing," Wallace added. "And we live with it."

Wallace is either in denial or is making a fairly poor effort at spinning. Even leaving aside the very clear bias that permeates this network and which would be too long to document in a single post, there are a great number of reasons why Democrats have little business appearing on Fox News.

To begin, no one watches Fox News Sunday. According to The Politico article, FNS' ratings earlier this month showed it pulling in less than a third of the viewers watching Meet the Press on NBC and even less than half of the viewers watching either ABC's This Week or CBS' Face the Nation. And when you look at the makeup of that viewership, it becomes even more clear why Democrats aren't and shouldn't be patronizing Fox News.

Simply put, the people watching Fox News are diehard Republicans who aren't likely to be swayed to the Democrats just because a Democrat or two appears on the network. Clearly, the network functions more as a mode of disseminating talking points to the right wing base of the Republican Party than as a true news organization (like CNN or MSNBC, which Wallace cites as being similar to Fox News).

This fact is borne out in real data. As I've noted before, polling indicates that in 2004 Fox News viewers backed George W. Bush over John Kerry by an 88 percent to 7 percent margin -- not exactly the type of numbers that indicate a swing demographic. More recent numbers show that liberals and even moderates just aren't watching the network, but rather Fox News viewers tend to overwhelmingly self-identify as conservative.

So the self-identifying newsmen at Fox may believe that they are creating real news content and, as such, should be entitled to the same type of access to both parties as are the other news organizations. But Fox News isn't a real news organization and as such shouldn't be too surprised and certainly shouldn't be up in arms when it doesn't get Democrats to come on its programming.



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93% of Foxnews viewers in 2004 (none / 0)

did not vote for john kerry


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 02:57:22 PM EST

Besides being THE most Republican demo out there, (none / 0)

Fox News viewers who'd watch their Sunday show, are so fucking old they may not even make it to the next election....so, fuck em.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 03:06:43 PM EST

Re: Boo, Hoo, Hoo. Dems Aren't Kowtowing to Fox Ne (none / 0)

Wallace is a turd -- best was Bill ripping him a new one.

But i dont get why he is saying the far left is forcing Edwards and Obama to not go on, Kucinich has been on.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 03:22:28 PM EST

Fox can't take it in the long run (none / 0)

Fox can't afford to let this linger.  The mask is being ripped off and they have to do something to address it.  But how do you turn an aircraft carrier around quickly?

Long term I think they have to move to actually become fair and balanced ..whatever that means.


by dpANDREWS on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 03:42:11 PM EST

Re: Boo, Hoo, Hoo. Dems Aren't Kowtowing to Fox Ne (none / 0)

Why the fuck should I give a shit what Chris Wallace thinks?

Although I suppose that there is no angelic unshirted hell running around means what I've always suspected:

Fox News doesn't matter.


by MNPundit on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:41:09 PM EST

Re: Boo, Hoo, Hoo. Dems Aren't Kowtowing to Fox Ne (none / 0)

Actually my wife is an independent...who votes for candidates based upon merit rather than party....she watches FOX News al the time along with MSNBC.....so they idea that only republicans watch FOX News is foolish. Wallace is correct in that if you want to target independent minded voters who watch FOX your missing out.....I think its completely foolish to ignore FOX....why not appear and take the opportunity to get your views across......


by adbct on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 06:09:27 PM EST

Re: Boo, Hoo, Hoo. Dems Aren't Kowtowing to Fox Ne (none / 0)

Because your views are liking shining a flashlight toward the surface from the Mariana Trench--the light gets lost in the all dark mucky water, which is everything on Fox news except the Democrat.

You should be convincing her to turn away from the propaganda outlet--I did to my family though it finally took purchasing the Fox Blocker for them to really stop.


by MNPundit on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 06:34:12 PM EST
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Re: Boo, Hoo, Hoo. Dems Aren't Kowtowing to Fox Ne (none / 0)

A moderate or liberal getting their view across on FOX is like a whale walking across land. Its impossible. They only ask questions concerning their agenda, never yours, exs. why are you pro-abortion, why are you anti-business, Bush is doing a good job why do you oppose him, why are you out of the mainstream, why are you anti-Christmas, why are you anti-troops in Iraq. When you do get your kind of answer in, they filter it & reconstruct it in the news analysis segments to make you look bad.

Better for progressives to force them to become more balanced by pointing out their RW tilt rather than legitimizing them.


by carter1 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 08:25:53 PM EST
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Re: Boo, Hoo, Hoo. Dems Aren't Kowtowing to Fox Ne (none / 0)

But you just said she watches MSNBC too. What we need to examine is how many open minded voters watch only FOX News.


by Pravin on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 05:21:38 AM EST
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Re: Boo, Hoo, Hoo. Dems Aren't Kowtowing (none / 0)

Keith is about the only good thing about MSNBC. Then again, I don't expect any worse from a Clintonite.


by Pravin on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 05:19:13 AM EST

This is what FOX news is worried about (none / 0)

Every story needs a good villain. And the villain has to make periodic appearances. If Democrats keep boycotting FOX NEws. Fox will cease to be that interesting to its base.


by Pravin on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 05:20:48 AM EST

Re: This is what HRC fans should be worried about (none / 0)

HRC is appearing on FOX News right now live.  I hope the people who agree with the sentiment of this post remember that.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 07:48:14 AM EST
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