Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton

The Hotline was wrong. The Des Moines Register endorsement goes to Hillary Clinton.

That readiness to lead sets her apart from a constellation of possible stars in her party, particularly Barack Obama, who also demonstrates the potential to be a fine president. When Obama speaks before a crowd, he can be more inspirational than Clinton. Yet, with his relative inexperience, it's hard to feel as confident he could accomplish the daunting agenda that lies ahead.

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Clinton is tough. Tested by rough politics and personal trials, she's demonstrated strength, resolve and resilience.

Can she inspire the nation? Clinton is still criticized in some quarters as being too guarded and calculating. (As president, when she makes a mistake, she should just say so.)

Indeed, Obama, her chief rival, inspired our imaginations. But it was Clinton who inspired our confidence. Each time we met, she impressed us with her knowledge and her competence.

The times demand results. We believe as president she'll do what she's always done in her life: Throw herself into the job and work hard. We believe Hillary Rodham Clinton can do great things for our country.

This seems to be a big deal to me. Similar to the endorsement Clinton received from Iowa Democratic Congressman Leonard Boswell, the Register endorsement could help stem the meme that Clinton's support is lagging in the Hawkeye state, a meme that is not only hurting her there but also could potentially hurt her nationwide as the veneer of invincibility can no doubt be helpful in a campaign (even if that veneer also comes with downsides like excessively high expectations).

While it will take some time to see if Clinton will be able to retake her lead in Iowa, which she held since the beginning of the summer until she lost it as of late to Obama, there seems to be a very strong possibility that this endorsement will, at the least, help Clinton regain some of the momentum she had clearly lost in this key early state.



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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 3)

My my, what a lovely Christmas gift for Hillary Clinton.  God knows she deserves a break.

I am very happy with the commentary accompanying this major endorsement.  They really see Hillary as her supporter so ... informed, capable, wise and, most importantly ... ready.

I am happy.

Congratulations to Hillary.


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by Regan on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:20:58 PM EST

Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Great endorsement for her .

I have become lukewarm to her candidacy of late , because I dislike incompetence when I see it especially on several occassions and for a long stretch but there is no doubt to she is the best candidate for president out there.

I hope she uses this as a turning point in her campaign . This is huge.

I have to say desmoinedem is perhaps the most knowledgeable about Iowa on this blog , he had it right.  


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:23:09 PM EST

Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

desmoinesdem is a grrrrrrl. :)


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:45:53 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

that's what i thought too.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:47:35 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Hey , thank you very much .

The circle of us " grrrrrrls"  is growing larger on this blog.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:52:46 PM EST
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it helps her with the media narrative (none / 0)

I don't think most undecided voters care. As I've said, Edwards was surging in Iowa last cycle for weeks before the DMR endorsement.

But this is good for Clinton in that it gives the talking heads something to say besides, "Obama has all the momentum."

My brother was watching Chris Matthews today, and almost everyone on his panel said Obama will win Iowa. Only Dan Rather disagreed, saying Edwards will win Iowa.

Maybe tomorrow morning some pundits will say Hillary is the comeback kid in Iowa.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:48:55 PM EST
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Re: it helps her with the media narrative (none / 0)

Dan Rather is the smart one.

Most of those panelist he brings on , don't know what the hell they are talking about.

They all have their heads so far up Obama's behind to know what they are talking about.

I actually have stopped watching hardball , the guy gets on my nerve with his stupidity.  


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:55:48 PM EST
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Re: it helps her with the media narrative (none / 0)

Chris Matthews is a Hillary hater. He always picks a panel that nods their head while he foams at his mouth and keeps spitting at them and constantly interrupts them. He never has a panel member who disagrees with him.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:00:11 PM EST
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Re: it helps her with the media narrative (none / 0)

As I've said, Edwards was surging in Iowa last cycle for weeks before the DMR endorsement.

Exactly, this is all a bunch of hooey.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:04:30 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

You are luke warm? So who are you for, then, Obama?


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 03:40:07 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

HOLY F***! I did not expect that.

That's right, ready to lead from day one.

You know, in December of 2006 it was my prediction that Clinton and McCain will duke it out in 2008. Friends, battle of the Titans. Who knows?


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:23:38 PM EST

Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Are they REALLY friends?

I tend to stick up for my friend when someone calls her a bitch.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:25:47 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

LOL. That was unfortunate, but what you gonna do? He was in a tough position.

From what has been reported in the last seven years, I would say they are at least very close colleagues and highly respect each other, if not friends. The Scandinavian drinking game rumor may have been false, but you never know.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:28:06 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Well, nice to see she can forgive him for cracking that joke about Chelsea.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:36:54 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Are you okay? You seem a little mean today? And I don't mean that in an offensive way.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:56:42 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Maybe it's because it's Saturday night and I'm stuck in Iowa. :)  Nah, I'm fine!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:06:38 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

You really in Iowa? Did you get hit with the latest storm, or did it pass South?


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:09:18 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Well, it's not like there's no snow, but I'd pretty much call it a miss.

The real question is whether I'll be able to get home tomorrow.  I had a 3-hour delay on the way out here and felt lucky.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:42:58 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

How do you keep ending up in Iowa?


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 03:41:33 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I might have confused you because I mentioned this same trip a couple weeks ago, but this weekend is my first trip to Iowa in like 5 or 6 years.  I'm not some undercover political operative or something :)


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 07:40:15 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Oh, no, ofcourse not.  I know that.  :)  I'm serious.  What brings you to Iowa?


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 10:17:18 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I had to go on lawyer business, and because of the holidays the only way we could manage to schedule our business was over a weekend!  Not the ideal situation.  The highlight of the trip was getting this nice Iowa lawyer to drop an f-bomb on me.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:58:46 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I lived in DesMoines 15 years ago (for about 9 months) before moving to Florida.  There were a couple of nice hangout/drinking fountains just off downtown Iowa to pass time, play pool, watch sports, etc.   I don't remember much in the way of "other type" entertainment, if you get my drift, but then again I was freshly engaged to be married at that time.  :-)


by georgep on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:30:57 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

they're friends only if hillary can benefit by his association.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 02:14:00 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I see McCain even less now than before, with Huckabee having come on strong.  


by georgep on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:38:37 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 1)

ITs a good break for Clinton but I wonder three things.

One, will this reinforce the sense of her as the "establishment" candidate, against which those seeking "change" will want to vote?

Two, what "experience" is the endorsement talking about? Informed, yes, I can buy that; thoughtful and well-spoken on the issues, sure. But at what point is anyone going to explain to us what experience it is that Clinton's relatively quiet 7 years in the Senate outweigh Edwards' 6 or Obama's 3? Can Iowans really be expected to believe that just being married to the President is relevant experience?

Thirdly, why did the Register endorse the candidate in each party who has been the most hawkish on the Iraq war? IS that indicative of how people in Iowa feel about the war?  


by desmoulins on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:25:36 PM EST

Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I agree, I think the editorial (for what ever weight editorials have) confirms that Clinton is part of the Washington establishment and will not buck the system. For me, the editorial reads like a very cautious approach to the election, and to American politics.

I hope the American public sees this as a "change" election, because we know that "results" in the 2007 Congress is often capitulation to the Bush Administration and the demands of Republicans.


by thetadelta on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:29:41 PM EST
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Iraq War wasn't the reason (2.00 / 1)

I think this passage was key:

Edwards was our pick for the 2004 nomination. But this is a different race, with different candidates. We too seldom saw the "positive, optimistic" campaign we found appealing in 2004. His harsh anti-corporate rhetoric would make it difficult to work with the business community to forge change.

Shorter Des Moines Register: we want a president who won't enact change without the blessing of the business community.

I think Obama's health care plan cost him this endorsement. The DMR wants single-payer, universal health care. Clinton and Edwards offer us the chance to get there, but the business community hates Edwards, and a lot of business elites in Des Moines are for Clinton.

Obama has support within the business community too, but his health care plan is not universal.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:32:35 PM EST
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Re: Iraq War wasn't the reason (none / 0)

Shorter Des Moines Register: we want a president who won't enact change without the blessing of the business community.

i'd go with your first hunch. obama, at the debate, said he supported capping farm subsidies because too much money goes to wealthy big ag conglomerates (corporate welfare) while small family farmer is lucky to get crumbs.

obama's theme of "he tells people want they need to hear, not what they want to hear."


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:06:04 PM EST
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Re: Iraq War wasn't the reason (none / 0)

small family farmers are lucky, rather...


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:06:37 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 3)

Do we really feel like Hillary's role in the White House was indistinguishable from that played by, say, Laura Bush?  Come on, like her or not, she had a serious policy portfolio.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:33:00 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 3)

...what "experience" is the endorsement talking about?

Children's Defense Fund, working with Marian Wright Edelman, a civil rights pioneer

Staff attorney Watergate Committee

Active organizer in every Democratic Presidential campaign since McGovern in 1972.

Chair of the Legal Services Corporation, the national non-profit that provides legal defense for those who cannot pay.

Major political advisor on two winning Democratic Presidential campaigns.

Major political and policy advisor for eight years in the White House. Known as the "Supreme Court" for the importance of her White House counsel.

Seven years in the US Senate.

Armed Services Committee.

Engineered the biggest expansion of health care in the last decase -- SCHIP.


by hwc on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:33:47 PM EST
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God Bless You for trying..... (2.00 / 2)

BUT no matter what quantifiable experience of Hillary's that I have tried to share with the Obama supporters in my life,  they just give me a blank stare, pretend that they didnt even hear what I just said, and go back to pretending that all she did was shake hands and have tea parties.  

I hope you have better luck than I have had.  Regardless, I am going to keep trying to educate these people, perhaps in vain,  but at least they'll know not to try spinning that BS when I am in the room!


Another proud Hillary Clinton supporter for Obama
by Sandy1938 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:08:12 PM EST
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Re: God Bless You for trying..... (2.00 / 1)

i get a big kick out of anti-hillary people here down playing the dmr endoresment, but a few hours ago hoping and expecting it to go to anybody else except hillary. sour grapes for sure.


by terrondt on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:17:32 PM EST
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LMAO (none / 0)

yeah it was only important before Hillary received the endorsement.  Now it doesn't count!!!  Now its because "the DMR editorial board are made up of (Heaven forbid)  WOMEN!!!!!!  And we all know that women can't possibly be objective anyway, right??


Another proud Hillary Clinton supporter for Obama
by Sandy1938 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:22:34 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Thirdly, why did the Register endorse the candidate in each party who has been the most hawkish on the Iraq war? IS that indicative of how people in Iowa feel about the war?  

the super uptight host at the debate should have been a clue. hillary attracts the tightly wound.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:48:53 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Not indicative...


by danIA on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:28:47 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

<q>One, will this reinforce the sense of her as the "establishment" candidate, against which those seeking "change" will want to vote?</q>

That's a pretty "inside baseball" kind of speculation.  Never mistake the echo chamber of the hyper-activists with the broader population, even one more wired in like the Iowa caucus goers.  The number of people moved by that line of thinking will number in the dozens.


by InigoMontoya on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:58:48 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I think the experience argument is clearly not going to fly for either Obama or Edwards.  Clinton has 7 years in the Senate.  Obama certainly can't compare with his 3 years served (relatively "quiet" as well.)  Edwards' relatively "quiet" Senate career is also shorter than Clinton's.   In addition Clinton gets some credit for being strongly involved in the Arkansas gubernatorial workings and in the White House.  There is strong evidence that she actually "worked" in both administrations, rather than being "the wife," as you dismissively put it.  I don't think that one should give her full tenure, so to speak, for all those years.  But clearly, most logical thinking individuals would give her a couple or 3 years extra experience for all those years spent in the capacity she was clearly working in.   Once you do that, anything we remember from the very uneventful and rather "quiet" tenure Edwards spent in the Senate and anything we can make out from the very short Senate career Obama has served so far pales in comparison dramatically.  


by georgep on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:48:44 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Agreed. But how can she claim she has "35 years experience" while standing right next to Joe Biden, who's been in the Senate for ...35 years.


by desmoulins on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 10:27:29 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register (none / 0)

Looks like I was wrong -- new edit board seems to have brought a different set of criteria to the decision-making table, than previous DMR edit boards. Well, tactically, this is perfect for Team Clinton, because it shuts up the press about her slide in the polls, and sets the stage for The Comeback Kid, Part II. Further, I suspect that Bill Clinton is going to be even more prominent in making the closing argument to Iowans on Hillary's behalf in the final 18 days.


by blueflorida on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:28:39 PM EST

if I were running Hillary's campaign (none / 0)

I'd use Bill as much as possible. I'm not a big fan, but a lot of Iowa Democrats love Bill Clinton.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:33:50 PM EST
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Re: if I were running Hillary's campaign (none / 0)

True. Ya really can't deny his effectiveness as a spokesman.


by blueflorida on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:44:26 PM EST
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Biden deserved the endorsement (none / 0)

As much as I strongly support Obama, I thought the DMR would go for a candidate like Biden who is respected especially on foreign policy.

Biden deserved this one.
 


by rosebowl on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:28:49 PM EST

and he had the most to gain from it (none / 0)

I was thinking it would go to Biden if they didn't give it to Clinton.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:41:15 PM EST
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Re: and he had the most to gain from it (none / 0)

Out of curiosity, what tipped you of that it would go to Clinton?


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:59:28 PM EST
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Re: and he had the most to gain from it (none / 0)

Nevermind, read your comment.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:01:08 PM EST
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I heard a rumor about a month ago (none / 0)

to that effect, but really it was more like a process of elimination.

I knew they wouldn't go with Edwards because he is now disliked in the business community.

I figured they wouldn't go with Obama because his health care plan is not universal.

I thought there was a good chance they'd go with Hillary because she has the support of most Democrats who are Chamber of Commerce/Des Moines downtown alliance people.

The fact that women are a majority on the editorial board surely didn't hurt Hillary, but that wasn't the main reason I thought she would get it.

I figured if they went with a second-tier candidate, it would be Biden (I've been thinking since the summer that he will get a lot of newspaper endorsements because of his more "realistic" plan for Iraq).


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:03:39 PM EST
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Winners and losers (none / 0)

The biggest loser is John Edwards, who has really bet it all on Iowa and was counting on that second consecutive endorsement. They dissed him harsh:

"Edwards was our pick for the 2004 nomination. But this is a different race, with different candidates. We too seldom saw the "positive, optimistic" campaign we found appealing in 2004. His harsh anti-corporate rhetoric would make it difficult to work with the business community to forge change."

Obama breaks even: since Edwards is hurt, this helps make him the Not Hillary.  The second tier loses one more little bit of hope.

The second biggest loser is The Entire GOP Field for losing the endorsement to John McCain who's running pretty openly on a Screw Iowa strategy. That was a Pox On All Your Houses endorsement.


by jdeeth on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:31:13 PM EST

he wasn't counting on it (none / 0)

No one I talked to involved with the Edwards campaign expected to get this endorsement.

In 2004 the business community didn't have a strong opinion about Edwards. Now big business hates Edwards.

I would have been shocked if the Gannett-owned Register went with Edwards.

I think this must disappoint Biden more than anyone, because he had the most to gain by getting this endorsement. Potentially it hurts Obama and Edwards by feeding a "Hillary comeback kid" narrative in the national media. But I think newspaper endorsements aren't that important for most undecided voters.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:36:36 PM EST
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Re: Winners and losers (none / 0)

Excellent point.  Edwards has said that if he were not in the race his supporters would go for Obama.  


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:45:47 PM EST
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deeth, who do you think (none / 0)

will get the nod from the Cedar Rapids Gazette?


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:04:20 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

While it will take some time to see if Clinton will be able to retake her lead in Iowa...

One of the reasons you come to savvy political blogs like MyDD is to read cutting-edge analysis like this.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:31:54 PM EST

Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (1.00 / 1)

people still read doonesbury?


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:35:43 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Its a good get for Clinton, albeit surprising one.  If the all-female panel actually was going strictly by experience as they suggest, Biden or Dodd or even Richardson seemed better choices.  Its also curious that they did not mention Clinton's string of negativity.

But its clear from the editorial that the decision was between Obama and Clinton.  They spoke favorably of him twice.  I was surprised that they dismissed Edwards so harshly having endorsed him last time.

Finally, I wonder if DMR's opposition to student caucusing and Obama's refusal to back down hurt him.  I would think so.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:32:20 PM EST

I'm not at all surprised (none / 0)

First of all, three or four of the six people on the editorial board were not there four years ago. It's not the same group that picked Edwards.

Second, Clinton is the corporate establishment choice. Big business hates Edwards now, but didn't have a strong feeling about him four years ago.

As I wrote upthread, I believe Obama's failure to offer a truly universal health care plan is what cost him this endorsement.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:39:57 PM EST
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Re: I'm not at all surprised (none / 0)

She's not the MSM's choice, though.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 03:45:46 AM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 3)

It's not an all-female board, and I consider it pretty sexist to go there in any case.

If the editorial board had a majority of males and endorsed a male, no one would bat an eye.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:41:07 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I agree with you, but in this age everything is questionable.  Diane Sawyer, for example, asked Oprah if she endorsed Obama because of his race.  I was just falling into the same mindset (which, again, I reject).


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:49:01 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I agree.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:58:27 PM EST
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there's one man on the board (none / 0)

and I don't think Yepsen's garbage about out-of-state students had anything to do with it.

Yepsen is out of step with the DMR editorial board on quite a few domestic-policy issues.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:51:06 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

but they endorsed the 2 hawkish candidates. the war they didn't mind, but students caucusing, they did?


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:55:07 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Despite the endorsement of Senator Clinton, I still expect Edwards to win the state. He has such an advantage. The endorsement however, may decide who is number two and who ultimately goes on to win NH, SC and the nomination.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:33:55 PM EST

Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

who says iowans dont like negative campaigning? they rewarded hillary for it.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:34:25 PM EST

Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 3)

I just watched the endorsemnet and this line from the lady caught my hear ,

Barack Obama " inspired our imagination "  but it was Hillary Rodham Clinton that " inspired our confidence"

- That should be the closing argument for Hillary Clinton , that lady couldn't have said it any better.


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by lori on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:45:56 PM EST

I think you're right (none / 0)

Hillary's surrogates should be pushing two points: Obama is inspiring but not ready to lead yet, and Obama is not electable.

Many undecided Iowans like Obama but have read doubts about him and think he could use more seasoning.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:52:34 PM EST
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Re: I think you're right (none / 0)

Many undecided Iowans like Obama but have read doubts about him and think he could use more seasoning.

James Carville outlined the dynamics of the race more than a year ago, using a cajun cooking analogy:

Hillary needs more spice. Obama needs more seasoning.

Nothing has changed in this race since the candidates announced back in February.


by hwc on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:05:31 PM EST
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Except that.... (none / 0)

Edwards is just right.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:40:21 PM EST
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Re: Des Moines Register Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Yea, that should be. Bill Clinton did just that-- they have to learn to complement before they stick in the dagger.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:03:19 PM EST
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An Experienced Agent of Change, Not Just A Symbol. (none / 0)

It reinforces the theme of Bill Clinton's interview with Charlie Rose:

America needs an experienced agent of change more than just a symbol of change.


by BigBoyBlue on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:53:00 PM EST

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the one thing this does, although it's good for Hillary in an attempt to win Iowa it ends the spin that a bad showing isn't meaningfull. Now no more it will be a miracle if she wins stuff, she has the biggest Newspaper, Vilsack ect.....if she can't win here no will buy excuses.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:53:35 PM EST

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Very good point. This does do damage to their effort to lower expectations.


by blueflorida on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:58:10 PM EST
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absolutely right (none / 0)

She has tremendous institutional advantages with Vilsack and Bill Clinton calling in favors for her. She's also got an outstanding Iowa director in Teresa Vilmain and, now, the endorsement of the state's biggest newspaper.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:00:26 PM EST
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Re: absolutely right (none / 0)

no more whining about students voting an all that, Of course I wanted Obama to get the nod but you know what if Obama's going to win he has to get all his voters to show up, if he can't do it then he shouldn't win anyway. What I didn't want was for people to say an Iowa win doesn't matter after he won or be able to credably downplay the victory. Now that problem no longer exists.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:12:23 PM EST
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Good point.  I am sure that is what pundits will say tomorrow.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:01:21 PM EST
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Looking for the brighter side of thing to shade your disppointment ?

- At same point you would have to stop spinning yourself or oblivion will be your destination.

She got the endorsement , congratulate and move on.

If the pundits were a gauge of what reality is we would be in trouble.

When you talk of pundits I am sure you mean your candidates allies on msnbc.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:05:34 PM EST
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lori your right, other than for expectations reason there is no spin, and should be no bashing of the motives of the board.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:42:16 PM EST
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The much bigger narrative in Iowa right now is that Obama has Iowa in the bag, he is the prohibitive favorite.  Should he not win Iowa NOW, after having seen surging to 9% leads and 6% leads in some polls, he will probably deflate like a hot-air balloon for the rest of the states.  All the experience stuff will be coming up big time.   It was almost better for Obama before, just a tad behind, ready to pounce.  Now, if he misses out on ANY state (especially any of the 3 states he is said to have major momentum in,) it would hurt him strongly, IMO.  Essentially, if at this point Obama, with the way the narrative has now been set up, were NOT to win Iowa, he is probably going down very hard.  


by georgep on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:56:11 PM EST
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Yeap..no more excuses.
Hillary is now the favorite to win Iowa and she better win.
by joachim on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 09:59:27 PM EST

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ok now you're trying to lower expectations for Obama.

If Edwards wins and Hillary comes in Second, Obama is Done and Hillary Wins.  Edwards has been campaigning in Iowa forever and voters know him better than the other candidates.  Which would not make an Edwards win surprising. Obama coming in third would be a big blow.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:14:13 PM EST
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depends on the margin (none / 0)

If the top three candidates are clustered close together, third place would not be a huge blow.

If the candidate in third is a distant third, that's a different story.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:53:44 PM EST
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Re: depends on the margin (none / 0)

Blow?

Are you trying to inject Obama's coke problem into the campaign?


by hwc on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 01:53:49 AM EST
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All a matter of perception.... (none / 0)

Obama's background has not been rigorously investigated yet, as has those of the Clintons'.  Who knows what could be uncovered about Obama?  Nobody.

And quite frankly, if Bill Clinton has cheated on Hillary since the WH,  that could potentially help her.  Hillary had her highest approval rating EVER right after the Monica Lewinski scandal.  


Another proud Hillary Clinton supporter for Obama
by Sandy1938 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:17:01 PM EST

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have u been asleep for the last month? MSM has done nothing but trash Clinton


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:18:07 PM EST

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gives new meaning to the term experienced.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:18:45 PM EST

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A very well-reasoned endorsement. Interesting juxtaposition with the Globe's Obama endorsement, which goes for symbolism over substance. I hope Hillary uses the good news to pivot and restart her campaign.


by superetendar on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:19:19 PM EST

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Is all your money in CD's?


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:42:26 PM EST
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OK, I gotta admit, that was funny :-).


by markjay on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:28:22 PM EST
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NO SPIN.  It is well-known that the NYTimes has a story about Bill, which they were going to run either late last year or early this year but thought it wasn't relevant as Bill was a private citizen.  I am sure many have heard that the LA Times is sitting on a story, but I did not hear any name attached to it.  

My assumption is now that Clinton has injected himself into the campaign the stories are relevant to print.


by Javier Doval on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:33:20 PM EST

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I don't see a story on Huffington Post about Bill Clinton cheating. Is there really a story, or is this just random gossip in the comments somewhere?


by animated on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:33:35 PM EST

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just more bs from the usuals.


by georgep on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:57:42 PM EST
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wingnuts dominate the DMR comments (none / 0)

I don't even like to look at the comments there.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:54:22 PM EST

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desmoinesdem, you should let the Obama supporters on Kos know that. They are taking the comments to mean that the paper is not reflective of the people in Iowa at all.

I really enjoy your analysis and wish you posted more over there. I find myself coming here often now to read your comments.


by tabbycat in tenn on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:06:10 AM EST
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This is shaping up pretty good.  I think the DMR endorsement carries some weight with currently undecideds.  The argumentation used also hammers some of the points home that have been argued here (i.e. Obama not ready for primetime, needs seasoning, etc.)    But, what I really like is the current narrative that Obama is running away with Iowa, which is not borne out by reality (Rasmussen actually shows Clinton ahead, Hotline has it an exact tie.)  The media chose to focus only on the polls that showed Obama ahead or surging, so the theme is now that Iowa is Obama's to lose, which is dangerous for him, as the state is in reality knotted up in a tie.   I actually want this to go on through all of December, don't necessarily want to see a highly publicized poll that has Clinton ahead by a larger margin, bringing about "Comeback kid" stories.   This first caucus is all about expectations, and with the expectation that Clinton will get her supporters to come out strongly, I like where the expectations game is at this point.


by georgep on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:05:54 AM EST

Goerge (none / 0)

The endorsment changes the expectations, now Hillary is supposed to win no excuses.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:36:09 AM EST
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Re: Goerge (none / 0)

Hillary is way behind in Iowa and her campaign is imploding. I heard it on TV.


by hwc on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 01:55:50 AM EST
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Really?  The DMR must be the most powerful newspaper in the world.

Also, I heard Obama has been "rising" and "surging" all over the place.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 12:38:09 AM EST
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Well yesterday Obama said it himself: Iowa will choose the next president.

He's raising the expectations for himself.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 02:14:52 AM EST
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The Des Moines Register endorsement is a breath of fresh air.  At long last sanity has come to some element of the print (as opposed to the broadcast) media.

To suggest that Senator Clinton's eight years as First Lady are irrelevant is like saying that Eleanor Roosevelt's years as First Lady were irrelevant.  Both women served in those positions as hugely influential ambassadors for their country, admired the world over as truly unconventional visionaries.

What is most impressive about this endorsement is that it arrives clearly carefully measured--all candidates were assessed as to their merits and weaknesses.

In the end, however, Senator Clinton among all presidential candidates this cycle truly stands alone.  No other candidate is nearly as well prepared to deal with the immediacy of events on both a national and world stage.

In 2000, the MSM and much of the blogosphere perpetually criticized the Clinton years, ignoring the obvious fact of the long reign of peace and prosperity over which the Clintons presided.

Then as now, the press and pundits called for "change."  Much of the MSM viewed George Walker Bush as "folksy," as opposed to Al Gore's "stiffness."  

Talk show hostess Oprah Winfrey herself softened GWB's image with women, drawing forth his "compassionate conservatism" (a bizarre term; an of course contradictory term) for consumption among her many viewers--following his appearance on her program.  

Thus it may well be said that she, like much of the MSM, pushed him toward his (in the end, alas, illegitimate) victory.

Today Ms. Winfrey, like many others in the MSM, again ignores a candidate's credentials.

So much of the MSM celebrates Senator Obama, continuing in their long line of anti-Clinton rhetoric.

But where has such rhetoric led us?  Again, we are being asked to thurst into power a novice on the national stage, who represents "change" from the Clinton years.

But now that the United States finds itself in shambles, no "anti-Clinton change" will do.

The election of the only truly properly credentialed and sober candidate, Senator Hillary Clinton, is absolutely now necessary if the United States is to survive at all.

No style over substance, no rhetoric over sober reality--not this time.  

The MSM be damned (it shall be anyway--they gave us GWB and the blood is on their hands now), this time Senator Clinton, like the Des Moines Register has brilliantly concluded, is the only possible choice.


by lambros on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 07:22:42 AM EST

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And the attacks on Obama from the Clinton camp continue. Now Old Bill himself goes on Charlie Rose and in a red faced angry rant goes off about Obama. Even Rose himself was reported to have said that Clinton Staffers were freaking out over his behavior......the Clinton's will do and say anything to get what they want and pity those who are in their way....they are loathesome people.....I am not even a Obama supporter (I support Edwards..


by adbct on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 08:22:40 AM EST

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are u done with your fake temper tantrum?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 10:29:58 AM EST
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Are you done inserting your heard up your butt?


by adbct on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:47:26 PM EST
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ooo such a great comeback - i will be taking notes on your snark.  


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 06:05:22 PM EST
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I just discovered your from NYC....I should have known another know it all, loudmouther, arrogant irrelevant New Yorker....


by adbct on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 06:49:12 PM EST
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big words for you!

Keep on going, its quite funny seeing you try to make yourself seem so much more important. Its also funny that you have to resort to personal attacks.

waahhhh  a loud mouth new yorker called me out for being a fuckin idiot!!!!

hehe

keep em coming


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 06:23:14 PM EST
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Irrelevant.....


by Djneedle83 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:19:09 PM EST

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This endorsement helps Edwards in the Iowa medica because it creates an expectation that Hillary is suppose to win. Sorry Bill, but you are full of shit as usual when it comes to Billary politics.


by Djneedle83 on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:20:42 PM EST

Iowa insiders are loyal DLC members. (none / 0)

The Register and Gov. Vilsack are well known Moderates and Vilsack headed the DLC, along with the Clintons.  These are people who quiver in fear at Progressive movers and shakers, so they stuck to their same old musty ways, just as Congress has done.  They haven't changed in years  -why switch now.

By the way I argue with anyone who think Obama was bashing the boomers in past comments. NOT SO.  I've seen lots of animosity towards him because of that impression..
He went after the DLC!!  He's previously and vehemently rejected all efforts by the DLC to include him as a member.
He remembers, as we do, that thanks to the likes of Emanuel and Schumer the Dems have lost elections for the last 6 election.  Until Dean. Whom the Register also opposed.
 

Anyone who saw the incredible Fox/Luntz focus group about Obama, Iowans are drooling for a new change -and voted almost unanimously for Obama.
(This link was e-mailed to me -if it doesn't work it's probably on Obamas website.
https://donate.barackobama.com/page/cont ribute/iowansreact?source=20071214_IR1_1 _X_G

I believe Obama will win Iowa, with a nice margin.  Looking at the makeup of yesterdays town hall, there were a boatload of big ol' boys clapping just as hard as every other age group.

World -meet an incarnated King/Kennedy with just the right touch of James Brown!

I actually smile now -at a politician!


Dedicated to a Clean and Lean Dean Powered Machine!
by hazmaq on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 02:03:03 PM EST

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I'm happy Hillary won this endorsement. I break out in hives at Obama's overt sermonizing & John Edwards just never struck me as much more than kind hearted but wet behind the ears. I liked the DMR line:  

"Indeed, Obama, her chief rival, inspired our imaginations. But it was Clinton who inspired our confidence."

Competence, and confidence. What a concept!

Interesting choice to also endorse McCain- I thought that guy was dead in the water long ago. That suggests, if he can build on his strengths in NH, Iraq is still very much the central issue, no matter how much the msm wants to ignore it.

Should she capture the nomination, keepng this in mind, Mrs. Clinton would be very wise to consider adding the brilliant, telegenic General Wesley Clark to her ticket as VP forthwith. I would work my ass off for that ticket.

Congratulations on the endorsement.


by bluemoon on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:52:35 PM EST

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Was not expecting this- great news- people are hypocrites if they say it's not- how much it will help, i do not know.


by reasonwarrior on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 07:06:01 PM EST


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